Tentative government shutdown, debt-ceiling deal reached (well, in the Senate)

CNN reports that a tentative deal has been reached between Senate Democratic and Senate Republican leaders over the government shutdown and the impending debt default.

Of course, it seems to only be a deal that postpones another shutdown and another debt default for a few months, while a new budget deal is worked out.

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In a nutshell, the deal is:

* Fund the government until January 15th, 2014.

* At the same time, budget negotiations start and finish by December 13th, 2013.

* And the debt ceiling, that expires this Thursday, would be lifted and extended through February 15th of 2014.

CNN says that Republicans gave in on the question of funding the government – they wanted to open the government through all of next year which would have let additional spending cuts kick in.  And Democrats gave on the debt ceiling – they wanted it to be lifted through next year, beyond the 2014 elections.

Also, Democrats are considering small changes to Obamacare, including making sure that people who get subsidies under the Affordable Care Act verify their income (I’m actually surprised they’re not required to verify their income, but if the GOP is demanding it there must be some nefarious undercurrent to the demand).  And the unions have been asking for a delay in a fee on employees receiving insurance, the so-called “reinsurance fee,” which would be delayed for one year.

It appears the deal won’t be officially announced until tomorrow morning, and then it has to go to the House, where John Boehner will find massive objection to it from his Tea Party -controlled caucus, and then Boehner is stuck with a choice to make.

Does he bring the deal up for a vote, where it may likely pass with the votes of a majority of Democrats and a minority of Republicans – and quite possibly put Boehner’s job in danger – or does he try to change the deal and risk killing it?

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29 Responses to “Tentative government shutdown, debt-ceiling deal reached (well, in the Senate)”

  1. rerutled says:

    For the record: You were right! It’s exactly what happened (except for Boehner losing his job).

    But I do not understand what power the Senators have that stopped Boehner’s caucus from throwing him out, which permit Boehner to violate the Haastert rule, which Boehner himself didn’t have. The Senate version gave *less* to the House GOP than Boehner originally proposed (and they rejected). So obviously, the Senate GOP is able to threaten the House TEA partiers somehow. I just don’t see how.

  2. William H. Depperman says:

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    Materialist Analysis of the Economic Warfare of

    Extermination now Being
    Implemented by the USA-Led

    World Capitalist
    Dictatorship Against the

    International Working Class
    and Entire World which

    Can Only be Ended by First
    Abolishing Capitalism with a

    Socialist Revolution in its
    USA Center and then Worldwide!

    be Fooled by Obama, the Con Man, the Demagogue, the

    Smoothie Liar for Whom the
    Working Class Does Not Even Exist! Obama Works Closely with the Republicans AND
    Teabags who Provide Obama “Left Cover” to Ram through Republican Austerity

    There is More Money in the
    United States Today Than Ever Before in History!

    There is enough money in the
    United States Today for Every

    Single Person to live like a
    Millionaire with NO Exaggeration!

    The Capitalist Dictatorship
    and its Media Cover This Up Completely!

    The Hand is Quicker than the


    The “Shutdown” and “Debt
    Ceiling” Charade was designed to make People Falsely think they “Won” Something
    and the “Republicans backed down!” But the Shutdown” was a Cover and a Pretext to
    Continue and to Escalate ILLEGAL Domestic “Sequester”
    Spending CUT “DEALS” Targeting Social Security and Medicare,
    which are Paid for by Payroll Taxes NOT General Revenues, in a

    Program of Mass Murder of
    U.S. Citizens called “Enforced Social Darwinism!”

    The U.S. Government—Meaning the U.S. Capitalist Dictatorship—



    CAPITALISM! An Idea Whose Time Has Come!





    Obama and the
    Republicans, Teabags and the Democrats are ALL working together
    to cut more than $1 trillion OVER 10 YEARS from Social
    Programs, namely Social Security and Medicare, which are the main domestic
    target of the capitalist dictatorship of millionaires and billionaires. (See: New
    York Times, February 25,2013 and Reuters, October 13,
    2013) This is despite the fact that Social Security and Medicare are NOT
    paid for by general revenues but by TRUST FUNDS funded by the
    Payroll Tax and cannot be directly touched by Congress!! That is why Obama
    previously introduced a Payroll Tax Cut—to undermine the Social Security Trust
    Fund, which it did! A modified “Sequester” targeting the general population is
    to be made PERMANENT under the false pretext to “Avoid
    another Government Shutdown and Debt Ceiling Crisis” and is only the very
    beginning! The transparent “Shutdown” charade is to be the PRETEXT
    to continue “The Sequester! ” Obama and his “Bowles-Simpson Deficit Reduction
    Super Committee originally issued “a new call for $600 billion more” in CUTS—NOT
    ”Savings”—to Medicare, Medicaid and other health care programs” on top
    of the $1 trillion “agreed to” by the Republican and Democrat enemies of the
    Working Class. (New York Times, February 25, 2013) No money was
    or is being “saved!” And on March 3, 2013 and again on April 5th the
    RULE BY DECREE Proto-Fascist Obama Regime illegally offered to
    cut Social Security Benefits to old people (!) and make even GREATER cuts
    to Medicare than the $716 billion he has ALREADY made (Reuters)
    rather than increasing revenues by TAXING ALL INCOME, which was never
    even suggested or even mentioned! ALL income of the Working Class and the Poor
    is taxed! But ALL income of those who make MORE than the $110,000 Federal
    Taxable Wage Base, is NOT taxed! See below.

    On October 1,
    2013 the Obama Regime shut down the US government as a pretext
    for a later “DEAL (!)” to continue and increase “Sequester” DOMESTIC
    spending cuts, while ending military and many government
    cuts! “The Obama Regime pretended to “offer a Deal” to the Republicans, a move
    which was trivialized by fake Democratic Party “left” opposition as merely
    “caving” on Social Security and Medicare, when the whole scenario was all
    planned in advance years ago! The truth is that the so-called “Budget
    Deficit” was deliberately and artificially created using so-called “Supply Side
    Economics” and $4.7 trillion bank bailouts in order to undermine the tax
    base and create a “Strategic Budget Deficit” in order to wage an
    economic war of extermination against the American people!! See below. The
    capitalists have total contempt for the masses, a significant percentage of
    whom they seek to exterminate, and know that the masses do not know didly about
    economics and that they can say any thing and offer up any ruse as they tighten
    the screws of economic war. The capitalists want to reduce the population by
    bringing a significant percentage of the population to an earlier death. Simply
    put, they want to kill/murder Americans while denying deliberate bad faith (!)
    and claiming the exact opposite! The capitalists call it “Enforced Social
    Darwinism!” The capitalists also temporarily cut war department
    military spending simply because they can not launch any more full-scale
    invasions of other countries at the present time because over 20% of their
    killer mercenaries return with post traumatic stress disorder and/or other
    mental illnesses. The USA capitalist dictatorship now resorts to
    Social Networking-Assisted INVASION BY PROXY as in Syria and
    Libya. Invasion by Proxy is much cheaper than funding previously routine
    full-scale invasions but requires 100% Russian cooperation, which the USA
    clearly has, despite all attempts made by these “2 partners” to falsely
    disassociate and cover up their good cop-bad cop routine especially in Syria.

    Obama and Boner
    (!) and the Republicans, Democrats and Teabags are running a little number on
    the American people with the full support of the media, a
    privatized arm of the USA’s misnamed, so-called “intelligence community.” The
    overriding message of the media on “The Sequester” has been to
    trivialize it and cover up its actual purpose entirely as merely an unpleasant
    but necessary fact of life: “…cries that the sky is falling are landing
    on deaf ears. $85 billion? $1.1 trillion more over a decade? We can do that
    standing on our head. (!)” (Yahoo The Week News, March 7,
    2013) The last phrase, falsely attributed as the supposed easy acceptance by
    the American people of the dictatorship’s economic warfare, “We can do
    that standing on our head,” is usually made by hardened criminals who
    understand and ACCEPT that they have received some sort of
    legitimate sentence for a crime they might have probably
    committed. (But repeating the phrase thoughtlessly at a news conference
    resulted in a quintupled jail sentence for Lynne Stewart!) But here that phrase
    is used to make people think the “Sequester” is a more or less legitimate approach
    to what is a wholly artificially created and contrived “Federal Deficit,” an
    economic crime committed against the American people! Such trivializing
    language is chosen to make “the Sequester” appear to be just a “harsh fact of
    life,” like “tough choices,” which the American people are supposedly powerless
    to prevent, but who are supposed to deal with it by mistakenly claiming it will
    not effect them, when it is actually designed to hurt everyone and gradually,
    as it is extended, to bring about the earlier death of a significant number of
    people! This when there is more money in the United States than ever
    before in history, enough money for each and every person to live like a
    millionaire this minute with no exaggeration and no exception!

    of this charade, this little Mutt n’ Jeff Routine, a Dog and Pony Show or, Good
    Cop/Bad Cop Deception surrounding the “Sequester” and its resolution
    where the “Republicans Back Down” is to generate CREDIBILITY FOR OBAMA
    as the “good guy who won something for the people” in order to hide the fact
    the Obama Regime was working with the Republicans AND THE TEABAGS
    from the beginning! The Republicans and Teabags work closely with the Obama
    regime to provide Obama “left” cover, while he implements the permanent continuation
    of a slightly modified “Sequester” targeting virtually ONLY DOMESTIC SPENDING!
    The “Shutdown-Debt Ceiling” charade is designed to keep the focus on
    individuals—not the economic political social system of capitalism,
    where there are no ”good guys” or “bad guys!” Under capitalism they are ALL
    bad guys and there are no exceptions to this due to the One-Way Dynamic of
    Capitalism, which is completely independent of the wills of the individual
    capitalists and politicians. (See below.) Both the Republicans and the Obama
    Regime agree to keep the discussion primarily on budget cuts but NEVER
    EVER talk about increasing revenues and TAXING ALL INCOME
    and restoring taxes to businesses which existed prior to “Supply Side
    Economics,” which would solve the artificial and deliberately created
    phony “problem” immediately! Obama supposedly offers to
    “tax the rich” only a tiny, itsy-bitsy totally insignificant amount while
    actually illegally targeting Social Security Benefit cuts!
    Just the opposite! Government spending on social programs and
    infrastructure should be GREATLY INCREASED! By attacking Obama,
    the Republicans and Teabags provide Obama, who is actually a right-wing
    Republican in practice, far to the right of George Bush, with “LEFT COVER”
    in order to bolster Obama’s diminished to zero credibility with the bamboozled
    Democratic Party constituencies for whom the capitalists and their politicians ALL
    have justified contempt, holding them up to ridicule while organizationally
    guiding them to defeat. The issue of “the blame game” was introduced merely to
    hide the fact that “the Sequester” and then “the Shutdown-Debt Ceiling” charade
    were a unified effort from the beginning by Obama, the Republicans, the
    Democrats and the Teabags and are used to keep the masses confused from every
    conceivable direction, (“Can’t they stop arguing?”) and then to up the ante
    even more by targeting Social Security Benefits directly in order to
    bring older people to a much earlier death, while denying it with a Big
    Lie falsely claiming the cuts as “necessary to avoid another crisis!” Social
    Security Benefits must be increased not decreased. Social Security
    Benefits and Medicare and Medicaid could EASILY BE DOUBLED, TRIPLED or
    QUADRUPLED and much more if the rich ALSO had ALL THEIR INCOME TAXED!
    (See below.) All income is ONLY TAXED for the Workers and the
    Poor because the Federal Taxable Wage Base is only $110,000! Above that nothing
    is taxed! The capitalists are able to pull out ALL THE
    STOPS in their Economic War against the Working Class and the Poor
    because the Workers have no Communist Party! WE HAVE TO GET RID OF




    which is the process of drawing United States electoral district boundaries,
    has become criminal and illegal and has little to nothing to do with the
    decennial census and cannot be reversed because it is merely a reflection of
    the One-Way Dynamic of Capitalism now in its End Stage! State legislatures
    (subject to approval by the virtually 100% crooked governors) and/or even
    “special independent commissions” in violation of the U.S. Constitution,
    deliberately manipulate political boundaries for electoral advantage of the
    Republicans and Teabags primarily! Criminal redistricting is known as
    GERRYMANDERING! This is how it works: The capitalist dictatorship uses
    computer and marketing data to draw maps of congressional districts to make
    those districts almost entirely homogeneous, overwhelmingly Democratic or
    Republican, and most importantly designs adjoining districts that
    pack People of Color, Hispanics and the Working Class into as few
    Democratic Party districts as possible in order to enormously reduce their
    representation in Congress and state legislatures! Isn’t that wonderful? Yes,
    but the Fascist U.S. Supreme Court’s 2004 ruling, Vieth v. Jubelirer,
    541 U.S. 267 (2004) made gerrymandering completely LEGAL!
    Ain’t that peachy keen! Gerrymandering is in fact unconstitutional and
    criminal! In Vieth v. Jubelirer the Pennsylvania General
    Assembly violated the one-person one-vote requirement of Article I of the
    United States Constitution and denied Democrats equal protection of the
    laws under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
    But facts mean nothing to the Fascist US Supreme Court! Vieth
    made it legal for Republican and now Teabag elected officials to redraw
    election districts to keep themselves or political party in power PERMANENTLY
    by eliminating most of the grounds for disenfranchised voters to challenge
    gerrymandered lines! So when you see those creepy demos on Fascist Fox
    News with a couple of hundred people jumping up and down shrieking
    Teabag/NAZI-like slogans remember they represent only a tiny minority of the
    USA population despite the fact that they now control Congress. The media
    covers this up entirely!

    Today the only talk we hear from the capitalist
    dictatorship is about the “middle class.” The capitalist dictatorship has TOTAL
    CONTEMPT and HATRED for the Working Class and wants to
    try to brainwash us into believing that the Working Class has ceased to exist
    (!), that such a class may never have even existed in the first place actually
    and that all we have now or may have ever had is ”the middle class” and “the
    wealthy Americans,” and that it will be capitalism forever? This
    is the new Orwellian 1984 Newspeak! What precisely IS the “middle
    class” and why do the capitalists only rarely to never or only reluctantly
    mention the WORKING CLASS? The middle class or petit-bourgeoisie,
    designates small business owners, doctors, lawyers and the direct servants of
    the capitalists like the police and fire departments or other government
    agencies. That is it! If you do not belong to one of those categories then you
    probably are a member of the Working Class! The capitalists try never to
    mention the Working Class and substitute “middle class” whenever possible in
    order to falsely flatter the Workers so that the Working Class does not even
    understand its own CLASS IDENTITY and its CLASS DESTINY,
    which is namely to overthrow capitalism and organize a Socialist society, which
    can only be created by overthrowing capitalism first at
    its center in the United States and then worldwide.
    We were close to doing this in the 1930s! The middle class also has no
    historical destiny of its own, a fact which highly appeals to the
    capitalist dictatorship! The middle class generally follows either the
    capitalists or the Workers depending on who is in power. But in the final
    analysis a person’s class origin is NOT
    determinative; it is the person’s class loyalty! A person can be
    both a capitalist and a Communist simultaneously, which is an application of
    the Law of Unity of Opposites, the Second Law of Dialectical and
    Historical Materialism. There are many examples and we have to have more!
    Friedrich Engels was both a capitalist as the co-owner of a large textile
    factory in London and was also a Communist and co-authored The Communist
    Manifesto and completed the Second and Third Volumes of “Capital”
    after the death of Karl Marx in 1883, and was apparently sole author of the
    Fourth Volume of Capital (The three volumes of Theories of
    Surplus Value} credited to Marx!

  3. karmanot says:

    A few months of his leaving no one will even remember his name, except that the gavel Pelosi handed over to him was exceptionally big for such a small man.

  4. karmanot says:

    Can help it. It’s all foundation and powder.

  5. Houndentenor says:

    If I owned any stock, I’d have sold it already and wait for the drop and buy back in. There are so few sure bets. I would say that it’s possible that the Wall Streeters know something we don’t (like a deal worked out with the Teabaggers who just want to run this down to the wire) but I worked for enough of them that I find that unlikely. They’re all most likely sitting in their offices in denial and have already removed anyone making any sense from meetings so they don’t have to listen to them (this happened leading up to the mortgage/credit default swap mania).

  6. cole3244 says:

    dems still have no backbone or will to fight for the 99%, gop light strikes again.

  7. FLL says:

    Will John Boehner really take it upon himself to single-handedly cause the collapse of markets worldwide? Just to keep his job for another year, or maybe less than a year? Has anyone mentioned to him that he would be a political pariah for the rest of his life if he goes that route? If he gave up the office of House speaker now, he might yet have a future.

  8. KingCranky says:

    Republicans whining about the damage their shutdown is causing=hostage takers upset that their demands are met.

    Reality-denial as political strategy, what could possibly go wrong?

  9. Naja pallida says:

    The loonies are already controlling the asylum. Boehner might be the warden, but he’s tied up in his own office, shitting himself, just waiting for someone to end it. His days as Speaker are numbered, whether he gets drummed out by a Democratic mid-term victory, or by his own party eating him alive. His incredible cowardice and rank incompetence has rendered him entirely impotent, and there isn’t anybody that doesn’t see it.

  10. Bill_Perdue says:

    The ‘deficit’ is easily solvable by taxing the rich at 1950 rates but neither party run by lap dogs of the rich – Democrats and Republicans – will do that. Socialists will.

  11. rerutled says:

    Until Boehner decides to abandon the Haastert rule, that will not happen. And there’s no reason at all to suspect that he will do so.

  12. Tor says:


  13. Tor says:

    Don’t blanch, Blanche.

  14. Monoceros Forth says:

    Does that mean Graham is going to end his days in a madhouse? Or possibly he’ll be consigned to the presidency of a Southern university, which may be an equivalent experience.

  15. karmanot says:

    “Wa, thank you Sir, I do depend on the kindness of terrorists” Blanch

  16. FLL says:

    Blanche DuBois is a fictional character, but Lindsey Graham is her real-life incarnation. Tennessee Williams would have laughed.

  17. BeccaM says:

    Meanwhile, Senator Lindsey “My stahrs!” Graham has said he wants the Vitter Amendment (throwing gov’t staffers under the healthcare bus), and Rep. Paul “Zombie-eyed Granny Starver” Ryan says he’s going to insist on the PPACA mandate delay and for the contraception ‘conscience clause’.

  18. It might is Boehner lets it come up for a vote, dems all vote for it, a few repubs, and it passes, and boehner loses his job.

  19. MyrddinWilt says:

    What happens if he leaves? The loonies take over completely.

    I can’t understand why he stays in the job either. But the alternative is likely a true believer rather than a cynic. Probably an end times believer to boot.

  20. Naja pallida says:

    If they’re not even going to bother to hold Republicans accountable for their actions, we’re still screwed. Nothing but kicking the can down the road. The exact same strategy that has gotten us absolutely nowhere for five years.

  21. NMRon says:

    There it is then, terrorist blackmail replaces democracy as our system of government.

  22. Whitewitch says:

    So we get to have a nice Christmas and start this mess all over again in January, when the House will put out more silly demands….and hold us hostage again. Will we never learn?

  23. winds7seas says:

    Boehner must really want to stay Speaker really bad to bow down to the Tea Party crazies. I’m surprised. He really doesn’t seem to be enjoying his job very much. In fact, he doesn’t seem to be having any fun at all.

  24. TheAngryFag says:

    Gas already shot back up presumably in response to the Retardlicans.

  25. SkippyFlipjack says:

    The US doesn’t negotiate with hostage-takers. It only encourages more hostage taking.

    Except in Congress, where it’s OK to give in just a little here and there because the hostage takers will be nicer next time.

  26. devlzadvocate says:

    Get ready for the fall. No deal by Wednesday. Market plunges 2,000 – 3,000 points. I was out weeks ago. Check the bond market tomorrow.

  27. William Brinkman says:

    I guess it comes down to how badly does he want to be Speaker vs how much he wants to avoid a default. I don’t know the answer, unfortunately.

  28. rudolf schnaubelt says:

    we will see. might work.

  29. rerutled says:

    So what? The House GOP isn’t going to go along with it. This goes no where.

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