How Ted Cruz killed the birther movement

Roger Simon over at Politico made a fascinating observation the other day about Ted Cruz and birthers, and it was something I’d not heard before.

You know who Cruz is. Republican Senator. Tea Partyer. One of the people most responsible for shutting down the federal government, threatening to default on the national debt, and holding the entire country and world hostage unless the President agreed to defund health care reform (aka Obamacare, aka the Affordable Care Act).

That Ted Cruz.


Putting those antics aside, Simon made a great point about how Cruz’s expected run for the presidency in 2016 ends up putting the stake in the heart of the birther movement (that means you, Donald Trump) once and for all.

(While I doubt anyone is unaware of the birthers, in a nutshell, they’re people who claim that President Obama isn’t really president because they claim he isn’t really a “natural-born” American.  Why?  Because they think, incorrectly, that he was born in Kenya.  In fact, Obama was born in Hawaii.)

Donald Trump's hair enjoys a rare day off. (Photo by Jenica.)

Donald Trump’s hair enjoys a rare day off. (Photo by Jenica.)

As a bit of background, Cruz was born in Canada, so some are alleging that perhaps he’s not really a “natural-born” American citizen either.  But the going legal argument is that you don’t need to be born on American soil, but rather, you need to be born an American.  Meaning, if you have an American parent, that makes you an American at birth, regardless of where you’re born.

In Cruz’s case, while he was born in Canada (and his dad was born in Cuba), his mom was born in Delaware.  So that cinches his “natural-born” status, per the going legal theory.

Guess who else’s mom was American when he was born?  Barack Hussein Obama.

Here’s Roger:

Cruz also said: “Given the raft of stories today about my birth certificate, it must be a slow news day.”

Yeah, well, Barack Obama had a birth certificate proving he was born in the United States but the “birther” wackos still tried to claim he was born in Kenya, making him ineligible to be president. Except it wouldn’t have made him ineligible.

Using the legal argument that now helps Cruz, Obama still would have been a natural-born citizen of the United States even if he had been born in Kenya, because his mother was a U.S. citizen. (In any case, Obama was born in Honolulu.)

So, in the opinion of Dr. Politics, Cruz is a natural-born U.S. citizen and could legally become president of the United States.

Unless Donald Trump can’t find his mother’s birth certificate.

Not that the birther crowd is interested in either facts or logic.  Still, it is kind of funny that the wackiest fringe of the GOP is responsible for the birther madness, and it’s also responsible for bringing us Ted Cruz.

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148 Responses to “How Ted Cruz killed the birther movement”

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  2. Matthew Barber says:

    Not found. Ironic.

  3. Matthew Barber says:

    It has something to do with the number of years spent in the US…which his mother didn’t meet the requirement of. I don’t remember the details.

  4. Matthew Barber says: ye4ah, California has a balanced budget. Explain Michigan also. Many states do NOT have a balanced budget requirement. Mainly the liberal ones. They also have debt.

  5. Matthew Barber says:

    And Snopes isn’t biased or anything, nah.

  6. Radbrad999 says:

    But the hospital where he was born in listed also.

  7. Radbrad999 says:

    California has a balanced budget. All states do. They are also a donor state. Meaning that they send more money to Washing then the receive.

  8. highcourt says:

    he’s never shown it–only the short Canadian .

  9. highcourt says:

    Barack SR studied at Harvard after Hawaii–one can verify his wherebouts around the time of Barack,jr birth.

  10. highcourt says:

    hell.. Cruz could have 3 citizenships including Communist Cuba.

  11. quax says:

    Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, clearly the ultimate arbiter of truth and the foremost police force in the country. Can’t get anything past those guys!

  12. quax says:

    Yes, very true, for one of my kids we went through this rigmarole, for the other we haven’t bothered yet (my wife’s American and we live in Canada). Anyhow, not that it matters, more important they also get their German passports, we may move there again someday, but don’t think we’ll move back to the states anytime soon.

  13. quax says:

    Dang it, you already used my time machine line.

  14. quax says:

    “they knew he would be president someday”

    Of course they did! They knew when the nurses started talking in tongues!

  15. quax says:

    Sure, buddy. British government records from Kenya for an unnamed son clearly trump everything, and the Obamas cleverly added these old birth announcements to make it look legit, so he could run for president four decades later. Also Obama’s mum was probably alien too (I believe from outer space). It all makes so much sense. You should get out on the street and talk to random strangers about it (if you don’t already do that). It’s an important mission, godspeed.

  16. quax says:

    How very short sighted of you, clearly this is evidence that Obama has access to a time machine, probably lifted from Area 51.

  17. Correction says:

    Widen your perspective…

    1.) Bingham and Howard were the founders/fathers [Founding Fathers] of our 14th Amendment. In more ways than one can count, they are our Founding Fathers.

    2.) Relentlessly, Obama’s apologists attempt to use the 14th Amendment to justify Obama’s presently compromised “natural born” status. And, now, Rubio’s apologists and Cruz’s apologists — they are attempting to act with similar intentions, against the well-published intentions of our Founding Fathers.

    With regard to the 14th Amendment, direct statements from the authors of the 14th Amendment trump irrelevant opinions.

  18. JustTheFacts says:

    Do some research… you will find SEVEN presidents with foreign born parents. One in Andrew Jackson, in which both his parents were foreign born. Case in point, to be president it makes no difference where your parents were born. Determining factors are candidates place of birth and or birth parent citizenship status.

  19. RagingPragmatist says:

    The Law of Nations is not law in America, any more than the Magna Carta is which also influenced the Founding Fathers.

  20. Jesus says:

    why the hell would the authors of the 14th amendment be any more qualified than, oh i dunno, the supreme court, to interpret a phrase in the constitution? And i think you should double check who the founding fathers are, because none of them were alive in the 1860s

  21. Christopher Jason Skippy Parti says:

    They also have highest rate of working poor..woking uninsured…
    And alot of what they do have has to do with trade agreements and other
    Federal efforts that allow them to do buisness with other countries and states…if they
    Split it would be naive to believe they would be successful…they would be quickly
    Over run by mexican drug cartells….so more power to them…

  22. RagingPragmatist says:

    That is completely false. Here is how the announcements work: The newspapers get the news of the births from the Department of Health which gets them from the hospitals. Parents or grandparents DO NOT place the announcements, or provide information on births. Its hospitals>Dept. of Health>Newspapers. No parents or other relatives involved AT ALL. And the Birthers have yet to provide a single example of a child who was born in a foreign country birth being listed in either of the two Honolulu papers that list births

  23. Thelonglegmackdaddy says:

    While the court has no doubt at this point that Emmerich de Vattel’s treatise The Law of Nations
    was a work of significant value to the founding fathers, the court does
    not conclude that his phrase–”The natives, or natural born citizens,
    are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”–has
    constitutional significance or that his use of “parents” in the plural
    has particular significance. This far, no judicial decision has adopted
    such logic in connection with this or any related issues. In fact, the
    most comprehensive decision on the topic, Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana,
    examines the historical basis of the use of the phrase, including the
    English common law in effect at the time of independence, and concludes
    that the expression “natural born Citizen” is not dependent on the
    nationality of the parents but reflects the status of a person born into
    citizenship instead of having citizenship subsequently bestowed. The
    distinction is eminently logical.

  24. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Go back and read the very first line of your original post. It says, “foreign-born children.” President Obama was not foreign born.

  25. davidfarrar says:

    lucas & Dr. Conspiracy ,

    If you believe an Art. II, §1, cl. 4 natural born citizen simply means BORN ON AMERICAN SOIL, that would mean there is, in fact, no difference between a natural born subject to the British crown and an natural born American citizen. That once born subject to the king, you remained a subject of the king, when this is obviously not true with natural born US Citizens.

    While English common law was the origin of law in the original thirteen colonies, and the thirteen States, it was not the source, and never had been the source, for the law for the United States government. The framers discarded the idea that the United States follow English Common Law. George Mason, a Virginia delegate to the Constitutional Convention stated, “The common law of England is not the common law of these States”.

    In a speech to the Federalist Society, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia confirmed that English common law did not “control” at the Federal level after the United States gained its independence from Great Britain:

    The common law is gone. The federal courts never applied the common law and even in the state courts it’s codified now. (Audio/Video: Justice Scalia speech, Nov 22, 2008 —

    English common law was discarded by the Founders because the U.S. was a Constitutional Republic, not as a kingdom. The values were widely divergent and a rejection of the philosophy of English law and government. Each colony was founded at different times, adopted English common law at their beginnings because that’s what they knew, then evolved their own common law separately. There was no collective “common law” amongst the States—not even on the topic of citizenship.

    Severing their allegiance to King George, the ties of history and country, establishing a Republic based on new political values required new doctrine, new words and new definitions. Even if English common law was the bed rock for the Constitution, the Founders made needed changes to the legal doctrine and semantics they integrated from English common law.

    A significant factor that led to the “War of 1812″ was the policy of impressing (drafting) American sailors (even passengers), on American (and other) ships at sea, into the British Navy. Impressing men into military service was lawful based on the English common law definition of “natural born subject.” Under that law, a man born on British soil or to British parents was a “natural born subject,” and owed allegiance to the Crown.

    In the 18th and 19th centuries, many U.S. citizens were either born on British soil (when American colonies were British) or had parents who were British subjects at the time of their birth. The U.S. government vigorously objected to American citizens being impressed from ships at sea and rejected claims Britain had any right to do so. The U.S. government proclaimed that on American ships, American law applied and on non-British ships, the “law of nations” applied. That protest would be reasonable only if the U.S. rejected the British definition of “natural born subject,” and that rejection concerned matters in addition to the differences involving subjects and a citizens.

    On February 9, 1813, the House of Representatives passed a law requiring all officers and three fourths of seamen on board U.S. ships to be natural born citizens. Whatever “natural born citizen” meant to the founders, some of whom were still in Congress, they believed requiring an American sailor to be such would halt the British definition of “natural born subject” from applying to them—which meant a U.S. “natural born citizen”, born of a US citizen father, or a naturalized US citizen.

    ex animo

  26. davidfarrar says:


    No, I think I made it quite clear…let me see: .yep! there it is…”including five (years) after reaching the age of 14, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children.”

  27. Brother John says:

    Neither Obama nor Cruz is a “natural born citizen.” The Law of Nations, which was used extensively for the writing of the constitution, defines a “natural born citizen” as being a person born in a country of parents who are both citizens of that same country. Obama’s father was a citizen of British East Africa (later changed to Kenya) and Cruz’ father was apparently a citizen of Cuba. Neither of these men have a right to be president under our constitution.

    This has been referred to by both Congress and the Supreme Court back in the 1800’s. This is not hidden information, it can be easily researched. This is another inconvenient truth for those whose ambitions and agendas have little respect for the rule of law or the limits of the Constitution.

  28. lucas says:

    The United State should simply change the law. Obviously, there is no actual declaration anywhere as to what “natural born” actually means. Personally, I think that in the language and politics of the time, natural born would mean actually BORN ON AMERICAN SOIL, but since the argument persists, the US should change the law to read “No one can run for President without having been an American citizen for XX number of years” and make it like 35-40 years or something. That would mean that anyone who became an American at, say, 20, could run for president at age 60. Anyone born in the states could run at age 40. Fair enough.

  29. lucas says:

    Yeah, because I’m sure Obama’s mom knew that 40 years later her son would be running for President so she better make sure to do that. Sheesh.

  30. lucas says:

    Um, Ted Cruz’s father was not American at the time of his birth. He was Cuban. That’s right… TED CRUZ’s FATHER IS A CUBAN. And his mother was an American. And he was born in Calgary Alberta. I don’t know how having a Cuban father makes you more American than Obama somehow.

  31. Matthew Barber says:

    No, the purpose is announce births to people that live in Hawaii, which they did. Are you stupid or what? If I live in GA and I’m visiting Hawaii and my wife gives birth, where are we going to call to print the birth announcements? No one we know lives in Hawaii, so of course when we call our parents to tell them, they’ll call to put the announcement in the paper, and that’s what happened in 1961.

  32. Matthew Barber says:

    you mean 6 times verified forgery? No one has been able to reproduce the layering claimed to be a natural result of the image capture into the program without intensive tampering. And no one spends MILLIONS fighting to prevent a document from being shown as evidence in court unless they have something to hide. I believe it is more likely that Frank Marshall Davis was his father than BO Sr. though there is plenty of evidence, such as a birth certificate purloined from Kenya, and British govt records BO sr had a son born in Kenya in 1961.

  33. Matthew Barber says:

    You misspelled “secede” and if they DO secede from the Union, they’ll be fine. They have their own energy grid, their own deep water ports, and a balanced budget. California on the other hand will go bankrupt no matter what, thanks to progressives.

  34. John says:

    Your grammar and intellect are embarrassing. Did you bother reading my post or do just enjoy vomiting your feelings like a child? All birther claims are bogus for Obama & Cruz. I love toying with you progressives. Keep chasing the magic light moving on the floor. Trust me you’ll catch it.

  35. Matthew Barber says:

    Anyone can call the newspaper and say they had a baby, even if they’re calling on behalf of someone overseas. And neither posting mentioned the hospital. Furthermore, there’s no record of the notification being placed by the hospital,. you made that up.

  36. Matthew Barber says:

    BTW you’re wrong. Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only
    18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. citizen
    for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory)
    the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to**
    Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. So if he was born in Kenya, he would not be a citizen. British govt records also show Barack Obama Sr having had a son in Kenya in 1961, though no name was recorded, he has no other known sons by either wife.

  37. Josh Lopez says:

    Keep being distracted by birther nonsense. It is all BS to keep you from realizing Obama is handing over the Democrat Party to plutocrats from Wall Street, Silicon Valley, & Hollywood. What has Obama accomplished? Massive deficits that go straight to Wall Street that boost Silicon Valley stocks. Amnesty is just a cover to subsidize the payrolls of non-union Silicon valley firms. Is Obama concerned about fighting poverty? Nope, poverty is up and his only concern is promoting same-sex marriage. Sure same-sex marriage is long overdue but, where are our priorities Mr. President? Not to mention, Obama’s gift to the insurance industry known as Obamacare……NSA spying..really?? Need I go on people? Progressives have to wake up, we are getting screwed. Ahh nevermind, go back to the playground politics that keeps you satisfied as we hand over the country to conservatives.

  38. Pissdoff9 says:

    EVEN if Obama was born in kenya,he would still be a citizen..WHY?? Because his mother was a citizen..You said like a damn fool..What does a birth certificate at that point…GOP=RACIST/DEVILS

  39. Pissdoff9 says:

    So you’re telling me that it’s because Obama is a Progressive,thats why the same stipulations doesn’t apply to Ted Cruz??? PLEASE..As i said,EVEN if Obama was born in kenya,he would still be a citizen..WHY?? Because his mother was a citizen..You said like a damn fool..

  40. John says:

    Obama is a “progressive”, the GOP is “conservative”. Even if Obama were an aryan poster child, the GOP would fight him tooth and nail. When there is a Black Republican in the White House, will the Non-Black Democrats all become racist, too?? Another laughable example of Democrat ignorance is that the Tea Party is racist. Yeah, the same Tea Party that has orgasms over Latinos like Cruz & Rubio and Blacks like Tim Scott & Allen West. Oh sooo racist!!

  41. RagingPragmatist says:

    The ads do not announce the births of babies overseas
    the very purpose of the ads is to announce the births of babies in HAWAII !!!!!

  42. Greenbeemer says:

    Just ask the NSA

  43. HelenRainier says:

    Arpaio actually said? Didn’t hear about that. How long ago was that? I never could figure out what basis he, as a County Sheriff, had to investigate to something that had to do with a federal issue.

  44. Kidd says:

    checking out his use of Canadian Health Care system is a pretty good idea. That info won’t be easy to get though as Canada has some pretty tough privacy laws.

  45. Kidd says:

    What a crock of shit. You want people to believe that Hawaiian State officials, Republicans at the time, conspired to forge a birth certificate. Two separate newspaper ran fraudulent birth notices, one of which was straight from the hospital. You make Americans sound like they suffer from paranoid delusions. Birthers will invent whatever they can to discredit anyone of colour from being in the White House. The fact that the same birthers are now trying to say Cruz can run because his mother was born in the USA, well so was Obama’s mother.The only differences are that Cruz was born in Canada. I wonder how they are going to try and shipwreck Hillary. I don’t think they can tolerate a woman ruling the roost.

  46. Kidd says:

    desperate delusions

  47. Kidd says:

    why wasn’t Obama’s mother’s birth place good enough? She was born on American soil. Despite all the evidence Obama was born in the States, birthers are still claiming he is not eligible claiming he was really born in Africa. Republicans are falling apart because all their double standards are being exposed.

  48. Pissdoff9 says:

    The funny thing about this is,,EVEN IF OBAMA was born in Kenya..He would
    still be a Natural Citizen..But i guess that only applies when the skin
    color is right..SHAME!!!!….GOP=RACIST

  49. Kidd says:

    Don’t forget Canada, we don’t want him either even though he left by choice after being totally rejected in all aspects of Politics. Every time he is on the news State side Canadian Media drags his name through the swamp, lol What really amazes me is that after all the BS over Obama anyone is even suggesting or discussing if Cruz is eligible because one parent was born in the States. It’s this type of hypocrisy that gives the impression of racism.

  50. Fuzz T. Was says:

    Obama’s followers tell everyone Barack Obama produced his birth certificate in April 2011. Reporter, Savannah Guthrie of NBC news, was the only one permitted to see the “real” document before it was scanned as a PDF into the White House Website for the world to see. Obama claims that’s the end of the tale.

    The quandary is that qualified electronic document experts have given evidence by the repeatable scientific method that the PDF is not a scanned paper document but a “layered” document. A scanned document has only one layer. A “layered,” electronically manipulated document displays one stacked layer after another. The White House’s birth certificate PDF has nine layers. It’s an assembled electronic document, not a scanned paper document.

    Mara Zebest, a recognized expert, who was a contributing author and technical editor to over 100 books on Adobe and Microsoft software, says the birth certificate is a forgery. She has written an extensive report documenting her findings and conclusions. It is viewable and printable from the web.

    Typographer Paul Irey, a pioneer and expert in the field of photo-typography with 50 years experience, stated the typefaces used in Barack Obama’s long-form birth certificate prove it’s a forgery.

    Web expert Karl Denninger, who has built and run Internet and networking companies, stated the typeface on Obama’s LFBC revealed evidence of kerning. Kerning did not exist in 1961 and he concludes the document is a forgery.

    Reed Hayes, a court certified hand writing analyst and forensic document examiner with over 20 years of experience providing document expertise to legal, law enforcement, corporations, financial institutions and private individuals requiring this service. Hayes stated:

    “…based on my observations and findings, it is clear that the Certificate of Live Birth I examined is not a scan of an original paper birth certificate, but a digitally manufactured document created by utilizing material from various sources.”

    “In over 20 years of examining documentation of various types, I have never seen a document that is so seriously questionable in so many respects. In my opinion, the birth certificate is entirely fabricated.”

    Note: Reed Hayes has worked frequently for Perkins Coie, the law firm that has defended President Obama in the various birth certificate court challenges over the past five years. Mr. Hayes is a Democrat whose business is based in Hawaii. His Curriculum Vitae is 9 pages and available online for review.

    The British National Archives confirm Obama Sr. fathered a boy child born in Kenya in 1961. Junior is the only known child born to Senior in 1961.

    After Obama finished university and began a writing career, he hired literary agency Acton & Dystel. This company put together a booklet introducing its stable of writers. In Barack Obama’s bio, the agency stated Obama wasAfter Obama finished university and began a writing career, he hired literary agency Acton & Dystel. This company put together a booklet introducing its stable of writers. In Barack Obama’s bio, the agency stated Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.” How would they know that unless Obama told them? This bio was revised several times over 16 years and Obama “born in Kenya” was not changed. This was said to be “a fact checking error.” Really! “A fact checking error?”

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse determined Obama’s long-form birth certificate (displayed at the White House website) and his Selective Service card are forgeries.

    Federal law, mandates, at age 18, all American males register for the draft in case of war. Obama should have registered. Obama’s card, which was produced in 2008, indicates a Hawaiian post office received the hand written card on “July 29, 80.” Analysis by the CCP shows a major anomaly in the circular postal PICA rubber date stamp used. These stamps are only obtainable via a postal supply house by persons authorized to have them. The year on the stamp is shown as “80.” But that should not be. Per Postal Service employees, in 1980, the Postal Service only stamped similar documents with circular PICA four-digit date stamps: e.g., “1980.” Investigation by the CCP revealed this anomaly was produced when a forger(s) took a “1980” circular PICA date stamp, cut away the “19”, inverted the remaining “80” to “08” placed it in the insert and used it to get the “July 29, 80” stamp impression on the card.

    What has the President offered in response? A fraudulent document that is not a document, but a computer file located in cyber-space. He has offered nothing else regarding his identity. There is more information that he wasn’t born in Hawaii than there is that he was.

    This President does have, has had or might have citizenship in four countries. The U.S., U.K., Kenya and Indonesia. That’s not what the founders meant by “natural-born Citizen”.

    Facts effect liberals the way Kryptonite effects Superman.

  51. ArthurH says:

    And Sheriff Joe said in public that his investigation proved nothing. His statement was on TV news shows throughout the state, even Fox Channel 10 in Phoenix. Cold Case is pulling our leg.

  52. friv 2 says:

    I believe that in the Jewish community your mother has
    to be Jewish to be born Jewish. I don’t think it works the same for nationality

  53. Ghafuk Yousef says:

    Wichita, KS. Learn to use the internet. It took me 3 seconds to find.

  54. Charlie says:

    Where was Obama’s mother born?

  55. Halidom says:

    I did some more reading so I agree. But the hoops he’s going to have to jump
    through are very large indeed.

  56. Naja pallida says:

    A proof of birth document can be applied for at any time, by the person, or any immediate relative – if they are no longer alive. It’s not technically a birth certificate, but it counts as one for all purposes. Usually just requires some vital information, and the signing of an affidavit. Many older people have had to do that, because some states didn’t have civil registration when they were born.

    Citizenship law varies by country, but most countries confer citizenship if one parent is a citizen, no matter where the child was born. Assuming that parent has lived a certain amount of time as an adult in their country of birth. Sometimes it necessitates filing a document with the embassy, or has other technicalities. UK citizenship has some restrictions based on date of the child’s birth. No Scot may think you one of them, but theoretically, I believe you should be able to apply for citizenship through your mother. If you were so inclined to jump through all the hoops to do so.

  57. Halidom says:

    I was born in Canada and my mother was born in Scotland. I don’t think any
    Scot would think me one of them. Also she had no birth certificate as she came
    from a poor family. I was under the impression that if you were born outside of
    your own country both parents had to be born in one country to be able to take
    your parents nationality. I believe that in the Jewish community your mother has
    to be Jewish to be born Jewish. I don’t think it works the same for nationality.

  58. Naja pallida says:

    In genealogy, it’s what is called a secondary source. It’s a bread crumb which should lead us to check the vital records in Delaware for verification, but you’re right, in itself it is not considered to be adequate proof of her birthplace. Modern birth records are usually pretty accurate, but since they’re generally filled out by the parents, theoretically they could put in anything they want. Parents birthplace is not going to be a part of the document subject to scrutiny or verification when it is filed.

  59. Correction says:

    The Constitution doesn’t need to define natural born; the Founding Fathers knew what “natural born” meant, and they told you what it meant, repeatedly.

    John Bingham, the author of the 14th Amendment, he stated: “…all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens..”

    Jacob Howard — the co-author of the 14th Amendment — he told you, directly: “Constitution as now amended, forever withholds the right of citizenship in the case of accidental birth of a child belonging to foreign parents within the limits of the country.”

    In other words — Rubio and Cruz — just like Obama — they are not natural born Citizens, because they held/hold split allegiances.

  60. David Dickinson says:

    It is incorrect to say that Ted Cruz’s mother was born in Delaware and was a U.S. citizen. His birth certificate says that she was, but there is no other evidence saying that she was a U.S. citizen. Ted Cruz’s birth certificate is not evidence that she was born in Delaware. Also, Cruz claims dual citizenship. In order to revoke his Canadian citizenship (as he certainly must if he wants to be President), he must prove that his mother was an American. He can’t, and that’s why he hasn’t revoked his Canadian citizenship.

  61. Martin Edmonds says:

    Yeah, what is this “English Realm” crap? Kenya was independent at the time of Obama’s birth, Hawaii was no longer a kingdom, Canada was independent. English realm? Kind of Game of Thrones gone wild.

  62. Martin Edmonds says:

    But Obama was born in Hawaii. That makes him a US citizen, undeniably. Cruz, I don’t know. So many crazy laws. I think he should be able to run for president though. But he’ll lose.

  63. north of 49 says:

    it seems his parents could not afford to pay to have him born in the u.s. so they got free med from that communist Canada the same med that every democratic elected country in the world has except the u.s
    maby check to see how many times he used the Canadian med system you might find he used it a lot. in other words he must be a secret Canadian American communist who is trying to take texas out of the the u.s. so that in his mind he can become king or zar of the great country of texas .he is trying to fight the 1800 civil war because the last thing some want is to have in there records is they had a black president

  64. JohnC says:

    Actually the constitution doesn’t define native born. There are two types of citizens those who are naturalized having gone through the naturalization process and those who are “native born”. There is a process for registering if you are born outside of the United States but that has nothing to do with being native born. No child of American citizen need be naturalized.

  65. seala says:

    Are you a Palinista? Out to get Cruz with birtherism?

  66. ezpz says:

    …How they get the message about what Ryan and company want to do to seniors who watch Fox News all day long I’m not sure. But they have too. The GOP is about to screw over it’s most reliable voting bloc, retirees….

    Actually, it’s Obama who first offered up SS & Medicare, and that’s been well documented on this very site by Gaius Publius. In fact, it was the recalcitrance of the republicans that saved us from Obama’s obsessive pursuit of his Grand Bargain.

    As soon as I finished my comment about hearing crickets, I wanted to add that worse than crickets from the so called left (or even ‘centrists’), we would see the blame go right to the republicans. Your comment here is a perfect example of that. The paid democratic pundits spew this now. If you look at some of the comments in reaction to Dave Johnson’s piece on, you’ll see what I mean. He’s saying what you just basically said – that it’s the gop and most notably Ryan who is trying to screw seniors. Most of the readers there know better:

  67. Houndentenor says:

    Actually I did up to the point of talking about leftists and then I stopped. I have as little patience for the leftists as I do for the Teabaggers. I’m interested in reality-based solutions to real problems.

  68. Houndentenor says:

    This month we saw something new from Democrats. They didn’t cave to Republican demands. That’s new. So new that I’m still stunned. I’m not sure that Obama and Reid are going to cave on entitlements either. How they get the message about what Ryan and company want to do to seniors who watch Fox News all day long I’m not sure. But they have too. The GOP is about to screw over it’s most reliable voting bloc, retirees.

  69. ezpz says:

    PS: Your comment suggests that you didn’t even read those pieces I linked. That’s fine, but you responded to something I didn’t say or even imply.

  70. ezpz says:

    I didn’t say I couldn’t see the difference. My point was to show, as Glen Ford so eloquently writes in the linked piece above, how a “D” president can get away with things that no R could. An example is when Bush Jr. took his privatize-Medicare/SS show on the road. He didn’t get too far because the *left* and the masses in general forced him to fold up his tent and go home.

    Obama, on the other hand WILL get away with cuts to and even privatization of our social safety net. Why? Because he has a *D* by his name and the so called democrats like you will support him in that endeavor. There are already quite a few of our elected democratic officials who are on record to do just that. And I don’t see too many so called liberal blogs (with the exception of GP, who writes here and on SmirkingChimp, and FDL) who are pointing this out. So I shouldn’t be surprised, then, when these cuts happen and all we get from the centrists like yourself are crickets.

  71. SkippyFlipjack says:

    um.. who’s the birther?

  72. tsuki says:

    Well, you take your foreign birth certificate to the Florida DMV and tell them that you are a citizen because your parent really, really, really is (was) an American citizen. Or a passport.

    I love it when birthers try to get cute.

  73. edsense says:

    Unfortunealtely you do not seem to unerstand that the 5 years past the age of 14requirement only applies if one is seeking to have a child born outside the US declared a citizen. Not to one born on American soil. Following your interpretation every child born to parents under the age of 19 would not be citizens, in fact they would have no country.

  74. Houndentenor says:

    First of all, I’m not a leftist, I’m a centrist on a lot of issues. Obama has been very good for a lot of issues I care about. On none of them would we have been better off with McCain and/or Romney. In fact we’d be far worse off on many issues that I care about. So the idea that we’re no better off with a centrist president than a far right one is absurd. But if you are that far to the left that you can’t see the difference, you’re as ridiculous as the people who think that Obama is a communist for being to the left of their fair right lunacy.

  75. Drew2u says:

    Wall Street is noticing this, which is why the koch bros and dick armey are fighting back against frankenstein’s monster. The anarchist (sorry, “libertarians”) are willing to destroy the world’s economy as seen by this last government shut-down (sidenote: keep in mind all the services that were not deemed “essential” next time somebody talks about discretionary spending). Wall Street won’t make its money if the economy collapses so where to turn? Blue dogs.

  76. Houndentenor says:

    Probably. It depends on whose running but given the GOP field, yes if she’s the nominee I will probably vote for her. President Cruz? Are you fucking kidding me?

  77. SkippyFlipjack says:

    Right, that’s why the title of this post is just wishful thinking. They’ll never admit defeat based on logic because their beliefs are already so rooted in fiction.

  78. SkippyFlipjack says:

    Filling paperwork to confirm the state of something is different from filing paperwork to change it. Your point is interesting but it doesn’t change the basics of what “natural born citizen” means. (I don’t understand your first paragraph though — we do see lots of kids of servicemen with locals. What do you mean ‘influx’? Like, they’d abandon their birthplace and mom to come here and assert their citizenship? It happens.)

  79. SkippyFlipjack says:

    That’ll be great for getting things done in government, since the entire Senate pretty much hates him.

  80. SkippyFlipjack says:

    Sorry, this is just fiction, a Tea Party anti-Obama construction. “Natural born” is quite simple; it’s the partner of “naturailzed”. You were either born a citizen of the U.S., or you weren’t. Why didn’t they write “US citizens at birth”? Because they did — it’s what “natural born citizen” means. (Not that it matters, because Obama was born in Hawaii.)

  81. The_Fixer says:

    But as I said above, one man’s assertion, or even a dozen person’s assertions, don’t mean shit unless it’s gone through the legal process.

    I could have a dozen people say that they saw me drive someone else’s car, but that does not send me to jail for grand theft auto. Charges have to be filed based on credible evidence, credible witnesses have to be called, the charges have to be adjudicated in a court of law, and a verdict has to be rendered before I can be proclaimed as being guilty and sentenced.

    Joe Arpaio is nowhere near credible. He’s shown incredibly poor judgement in his dealings with the public, and this is nowhere near his field of expertise. Your support of Reed Hayes relies on data from his own web site, you made no citations as to his competence or the accuracy of his work from impartial outside sources. Education does not equal competence. I might note that these guys and their associates appear to be “lone voices in the wilderness” as there have been precious few people who actually give any credibility to what they say.

    On the other hand, we have seen two versions of Obama’s birth certificate (long form and short form), an announcement in the Hawaii papers and lots of believable people saying that the President was, indeed born in Hawaii.

    So no, there’s no credible evidence of these claims that has been presented by credible parties to date. Until we see this go through the legal process, these remain unproven allegations that appear to be fabricated for political purposes.

    I might add that you and others who believe this are willing victims of a campaign of FUD – Fear Uncertainty and Doubt – propagated by those with an agenda. And that agenda is not even to get Obama out of office – they know they’ll never be able to do that because they don’t have the evidence. It’s to distract you, and take your attention away from the real important stuff. It’s a circus side-show.

    My head is beginning to hurt.

  82. ArthurH says:

    Do you realize that if the nuttiest 1% of Texas residents get their way and the state succeeds from the Union, it will destroy Ted Cruz’s ability to run for President. Maybe that’s why some are now blathering that instead we should force California, New York, Illinois, and the New England states out of the Union into a separate country.

  83. Naja pallida says:

    The only people who are going to vote for him are people who are so hateful and so spiteful, that they would rather see the country burn than make any effort to fix anything. Sadly, that’s a lot more people than most of us would want to believe, but it thankfully isn’t enough for him to become President. It will make for a nice Democratic landslide though, should he get the Republican nomination – which I doubt he will.

  84. Dr. Conspiracy says:

    However, it is not very satisfying to beat a birther because they never know that they are beaten.

  85. KingCranky says:

    Steve Stockman, the nutcase who had to answer questions about what he knew regarding the Oklahoma City bombing before it happened.

    Great source you’re citing there.

    Oh, and Obama’s a US citizen, your unsubstantiated whining doesn’t change that reality, no matter how much you screech otherwise.

  86. Dr. Conspiracy says:

    President Obama was born in Hawaii, one of the states of the United States. End of story.

    As for Cruz, you make my point that birtherism is not diminished by a Cruz candidacy.

  87. Dr. Conspiracy says:

    I would add that half of the right-wing nut jobs think he’s not eligible for office. I’m amazed that there is even any discussion of him running for President.

  88. Naja pallida says:

    Sorry, a dog and pony show by rabid racists isn’t anything I have any interest in viewing, and everything they have done has been obviously heavily contrived. If there was any factuality to it at all, someone with actual power would be doing something about it… but the only people still talking about this are psychos who just can’t stand that there’s a guy a darker shade than skim milk in the White House.

  89. Dr. Conspiracy says:

    Zullo has never provided a shred of evidence to back up his claim that Hawaii newspaper announcements included foreign-born children. The announcements came from the Health Bureau, and under Hawaiian law at the time, only persons born in Hawaii were registered by the Bureau. While the newspaper announcement only lists the president’s last name, it is clear who they are talking about, and the Department of Health’s 1961 birth index (which anyone may go and examine) lists his full name. There is a whole facebook dedicated to documenting the lies of Mike Zullo.

  90. Dr. Conspiracy says:

    There has been no reduction in birtherism at all as the result of Ted Cruz presidential speculation. Visit any birther blog; they are as rabid as ever.

    One has to keep in mind the distinction between the crackpot conspiracy theory that President Obama was born in Africa and the crackpot legal theory that US Presidents must not only be born citizens, but born in the United States and have two US citizen parents to boot.

    A Cruz candidacy has no implications for the conspiracy theorists, because everybody knows where Cruz was born–Canada. The conspiracy theorists are convinced that Obama’s six-time-verified birth certificate is a fake and there is no talking them out of it.

    For the second group, their crank views of the Constitution also continue unabated in the face of a Cruz candidacy and they are loudly arguing that he’s not eligible for the office. Some less nutty conservatives who kept their mouth shut about Obama are now arguing that Cruz is eligible.

  91. Cold Case Posse Supporter says:

    False. Independent Hawaiian forensic handwriting and computer-generated document expert Reed Hayes is court certified and has impeccable credentials. Here is his CV.

  92. Cold Case Posse Supporter says:

    This isn’t about going back in time to place a birth announcement because they knew he would be president someday. That is nothing but Alinsky liberal spin tactics that means nothing. The truth is the newspaper birth annoucements don’t mean a thing. They only state a living birth took place. Not where it took place as Arpaio’s lead investigator stated at the first press conference. The birth announcements don’t even mention the childs name. I will let his lead investigator explain in his own words why the birth announcements are not evidence he was born in Hawaii and pay close attention to what he says. Go to exactly 117:50 in the video of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office press conference for your answer.

  93. Cold Case Posse Supporter says:

    The newspaper birth articles don’t mean a thing. They only state a living birth took place. Not where it took place as Arpaio’s lead investigator stated at the first press conference. The birth announcements don’t even mention the childs name. I will let his lead investigator explain in his own words why the birth announcements are not evidence he was born in Hawaii. Go to exactly 117:50 in the video of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office press conference for your answer.

  94. BeccaM says:

    Oh yeah.

  95. unclemike says:

    Hawaii is part of the “English Realm?”

  96. unclemike says:

    Will that put Obama on Double Secret Probation?

  97. Mirquella Santos says:

    Republicans, I am going to help you get rid of Obama. All you have to do is to steal his time machine. Yeap! The time machine he used to go back in time and place a birth certificate and a newspaper ad 44 years ago. When you go back in time just remove everything. Remember that this is the TWILIGHT ZONE. CUCKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  98. Mirquella Santos says:

    Senator Cruz is doomed. I am Latino and let me tell you that 80% of the Latinos hates him. He betrayed us by rejecting the immigration reform. 99% of blacks dislike him too. 100% of Democrats do’t like him either and Wall Street and Business communities don’t like him. I did not go to Harvard and I can tell him that he doesn’t have the votes to become president. Ted Cruz es in Traidor y desgraciado.

  99. David Farrar says:

    Again, Obama’s mother was too young to transmit US citizenship to foreign-born children. According to the 1952 Immigration and Naturalization Act, a U.S. citizen married to an alien had to have been physically present in the United States for 10 years, including five after reaching the age of 14, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. Obama’s mother was only 18 when he was born. Obama’s mother of record was 117 days short of 19th birthday, the minimum age for a U.S. citizen married to an alien to confer U.S. citizenship to a foreign-born child.

    As much as I admire Sen. Cruz for his strong stance against ObamaCare, I, and much of his Tea Party base, admire and respect the US Const. even more.

    Sen. Ted Cruz is absolutely correct when he states he is a “US Citizen at birth”. But Sen. Ted Cruz is a US Citizen at birth by positive law (man-made law): Title 8 USC §1401 (g). Unfortunately, the US Const. calls for our presidents to be “natural” born Citizens, by natural law, not by statutory law. If the founders, framers and ratifiers of the US Const. had wanted simply “US citizens at birth” as the requirement, they could have easily said:”US citizens at birth”, but they didn’t; they said: ‘”natural” born Citizens. In the US Const. words mean something, each and every one.

    The fact that a definition of a “natural born Citizen” is missing from the US Const. wasn’t an oversight, or a simple laps in judgement, as our courts have assumed. The founders, framers and ratifiers of the US Const., even the colonial (man) in the street, knew perfectly well what a “natural born subject” was before the American revolution.

    After the War of Independence, the republican constitutional theory conceived of the individual as a Citizen and assigned sovereignty to the people. Therefore, to find the proper definition of a “natural born citizen”, we must look at this enigmatic phrase, not through the eyes of a subject, but through the eyes of a sovereign, using natural law.

    As sovereigns, their offspring would inherit their sovereignty from their fathers (partus sequitur patrem). As sovereigns, their offspring would also be natural born subjects wherever their birth occurred, as natural law dictates. As de Vattel points out in this work: ‘Law of Nations’, the minimum requirement to meet natural law criteria is that the child born inherits the citizenship of its father. Once this requirement is met, other restrictions can also be applied, such as ‘place of birth’ and the allegiance of the mother, as long as it doesn’t interfere with the child’s natural right to inherit its father’s citizenship.

    Under this definition, neither Barack Obama, nor Sen Cruz, are Art. II, §1, cl. 4 natural born US Citizens. Barack Obama was born a natural born subject of the English Realm, and Sen Cruz was born a natural born citizen of Cuba.

    I hope, Sen Cruz, at some point in time, can see the error of his ways and step up to the plate and lead the charge in restoring our most cherished American birthright from the gutter it has been placed by our courts to where even the offspring of illegal aliens born in this country can run for the US presidency. If he does such a thing, I am sure he will find himself sitting on the bench of the US Supreme Court, perhaps even as its chief justice.

    ex animo

  100. Bomer says:

    Did you see where a federal judge ordered an independent monitor and a community advisory board to watch over him and his department because of their penchant for racial profiling?

  101. Thelonglegmackdaddy says:

    The fact that Birthers have proven to each other that Obama has a phony BC does not mean anything as far as the US Government is concerned.

    The funny thing is that Birthers have never seen or examined Obama’s BC but have only seen a picture of it that was posted by the White House.

  102. discus_sucks_ass says:

    most people don’t advertize their stupid as proudly as you…

  103. HelenRainier says:

    So you are believing Sheriff Joe over the State of Hawaii? ROFLMAO!

  104. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    I suggest Xanax. Lot’s and lot’s of Xanax.

  105. highcourt says:

    true and his heritage is Cuban.. he was raised by his Cuban father,after all.. Rafael Cruz has that insecurity of an outsider– he keeps trying so damn hard to be more true blue American than anyone else–wrapping himself with the flag,,, which is a joke & so bloody pretentious.. when one considers his background.

  106. highcourt says:

    and what about his father being an illegal alien when he first came to America? both cruz’ are very mysterious& evasive about Eleanor Elizabeth Wilson– junior’smother.. where is she? she’s still alive.. one would think as he got his permit to remain here in US– he would be talking about his mum.. no never. otherwise, he’s Canadian & still is Canadian..

  107. The_Fixer says:

    Uh-Huh. Whatever you say.

  108. Cold Case Posse Supporter says:

    Sorry but it’s not going to court in the way you perceive it. In fact the evidence has been turned over to Congressman Steve Stockman who with Rep Ted Yoho and several other congressmen have been working behind closed doors for several months getting support for a Congressional Investigative Committee to be put together with subpoena powers to get answers from Hawaii Dept. Of Health officials as well as White House officials who downloaded the fraudulent documents to the White House servers. It’s time to get answers. Arpaio’s investigative team has done a incredible investigation.

  109. BeccaM says:

    Hooray! A vote for sedition, national bankruptcy, and ruin.

  110. BeccaM says:

    Right, because everybody knows that a Mexican-hating often-indicted corrupt-as-hell Sheriff from one county in Arizona is totally unbiased and not at all a racist git with an agenda and an axe to grind.

    As my friend The Fixer says below, has any of this rancid, steaming BS been submitted to a court of law? No. Has any of it been subjected to legal jurisprudence? No.

    Is any of it credible? No.

    Go home. Your bridge misses you.

  111. Naja pallida says:

    Yeah, and Orly Taitz is Santa Claus. I suppose they also went back in time to put the notice in the newspaper, too?

  112. Naja pallida says:

    I think it first came out in some leaked emails from her campaign, and then it was scooped up by the xenophobic bigots who started screaming it from the rafters.

  113. Naja pallida says:

    Logic does not even exist in their world. It doesn’t matter how much they’re proven wrong. They’re like one of those bugs, where if you step on their head, the ass end keeps running across the floor.

  114. Naja pallida says:

    Why? He’s already proven his willingness to wantonly do damage to the country for absolutely no reason. The only possible reason I could think why anyone would want to vote for him, is just out of sheer spite.

  115. The_Fixer says:

    Except for one problem – neither the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office nor Reed Hayes are a legal Trier of Fact – in other words, a court in the United States. None of this has been presented to a court, and allowed to make its way through the legal process. Wanna know why? Because it’s a load of crap.

    Basically, those opinions don’t mean shit. Take it to court, make a case that the court finds credible, make it through the appeals process, then we’ll talk. Until then, the claim is laughable.

  116. BeccaM says:

    Yup. Frothing.

  117. nicho says:

    Wow — batshit crazy.

  118. nicho says:

    Ok, so that makes one. And I’m guessing there are a few other mentally ill people that will vote him too.

  119. JJHLH says:

    Senator Cruz will have my vote in 2016.

  120. emjayay says:

    Nah, much better that Rand Paul is president. What could go wrong?

  121. Cold Case Posse Supporter says:

    That can’t be determined since his birth certificate has been declared a 100% forgery by the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office backed by Hawaii forensic handwriting and computer document expert Reed Hayes who submitted a 40 page report of all things wrong with the document.

  122. Just_AC says:

    gee, good thing then that President Obama was born in the STATE of Hawaii instead of abroad

  123. Cold Case Posse Supporter says:

    Wrong. Due to the laws at the time in 1961, Obama’s mother was too young to confer Citizenship to him at his birth.

    A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth


    . For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child

    Obama’s mother was almost 4 months shy of being able to confer citizenship to him. She was 18 and needed to be age 19 at his birth.

  124. tsuki says:

    Sorry, the article is not correct. You are not an American citizen because one of your parents is American. If this were true, we’d be seeing an influx of children of American service men.

    You are not an American citizen until your parent or parent fill out the paperwork at an American Consulate to receive a Report of a live birth of an American citizen abroad.

    Husband and I traveled to the American Consulate to register Son’s birth. We had to have passports and had to document that we had lived 10 years in the US, five years past our 14th birthday. The information was collected and check before we received a Report of a live birth of an American citizen abroad (the long form) and a State Department American birth certificate was issued. Son was retroactively made a native born American citizen at birth.

    You must have the paperwork.

    Where is Rafael’s American birth certificate? I want to see it.

  125. jasper says:

    Please refer to Cruz as a Cuban rather than a Canadian. He would have been entitled to Cuban citizenship at the time of his birth because of his father’s nationality.

    We already have enough crazy right wing politicians in Canada without having to include Cruz among them.

  126. ezpz says:

    Ah, but will you vote for her in 2016 as the lesser evil?
    I know I won’t.

  127. mike31c says:

    Except you forget that things like logic, facts and spelling is kind of irrelevant to t-baggers.

  128. Houndentenor says:

    Thanks for reminding me of one of the many reasons I didn’t vote for her in 2008.

  129. Houndentenor says:

    Exactly. I get the same easily debunked (with a simple google search or visit to snopes, politifact, etc.) emails over and over often from the same people. I just gave them a detailed explanation that no, Muslims are not exempt from “Obamacare” and two months later they will send me the exact same email. Nothing sinks in with these people. it’s not about facts or reason. it’s emotional. The Koch Brothers tapped into a mass freak-out of mostly older Americans in 2008 and now they can’t control it. Sorry, John, but evidence and reason has no effect on this crowd.

    P.S. Why can’t anyone trace back these mass emails and figure out the source. A decent IT person ought to be able to do this. Anyone in the media interested in doing this, you will have my respect. I think it’s a great story. I know you get them from your crazy right-wing relatives too. Is everyone in the media these days too damn lazy to actually track a story instead of being stenographers for the latest press conference?

  130. SkippyFlipjack says:

    This is true. Birthers created a new “definition” of the term “natural born citizen” that would fit their arguments. The reality is simple: The framers of the Constitution were breaking down the idea of “citizen” into two buckets — you were naturalized or natural-born. All US citizens were either born that way or went through the process to become one. The framers didn’t want a bunch of people from the Old Country immigrating, becoming citizens and taking over the government. They had no concept of a person who was born a citizen but not a natural-born one — that’s just a fiction that the Birthers invented because they don’t like Obama.

    I’ve had conversations with Birthers where it became apparent that their goal was to get Obama declared ineligible for the presidency because they thought that every piece of legislation he’d signed would at that moment automatically become null and void. These Birthers are just full of misinformation. I feel a little bad for them.

  131. SkippyFlipjack says:

    I love the idea that birthers can be beaten with simple logic. It’s a fool’s game. Their powers of self-deception know no bounds.

  132. ezpz says:

    Wasn’t it Hillary who gave birth to the whole birther mentality when her campaign slipped Drudge a photo of Obama dressed in Kenyan garb, turban and all? I also remember how she was not so subtly pushing the ‘Obama-is-a-Muslim-from-Kenya’ meme when she oh so coyly responded to a question of whether Obama was a Christian or not by saying: as far as I know…

    Maybe if/when she runs against Cruz, she’ll pull some kind of encore…

  133. BeccaM says:

    I imagine your Croning ceremony must’ve been 10x awesome… :-)

  134. BeccaM says:

    I checked the Pantone cards and it reads as “Pasty.”

  135. BeccaM says:

    It’s a long-haired Peruvian guinea pig.

  136. EastCantabrigian says:

    This article misrepresents the birther position on the definition of natural born citizen. Birthers believe that a natural born citizen is someone born on US soil of parents who were both US citizens at the time of the future president’s birth. Under this definition, neither Barack Obama nor Ted Cruz are natural born citizens because they each have one parent who was not a US citizen when they were born. (To birthers, it doesn’t matter that Ted Cruz’s father later became a US citizen. They believe it is the citizenship of the parents at the time of the child’s birth that governs.) This definition also excludes Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio, who were both born in the US but to parents who were not citizens at the time of Bobby’s and Marco’s birth, and John McCain, who was not born on US soil.

    Birthers are wrong on this. As the article states, natural born citizen means citizen at birth. But lots of them claim to remember learning the two-citizen-parent definition of natural born citizen in high school civics, although no one has ever been able to find a pre-2008 text book that shows that definition. Its origin is in the writings of Emer de Vattel. Again, birthers are wrong on this, but they swear by it. The biggest pusher of this BS definition is a troll from New Jersey named Mario Apuzzo.

    Some teabagger web sites that tolerated discussion of the birther definition of natural born citizen with respect to Obama are not tolerating it with respect to Ted Cruz. RedState and Free Republic have banned people recently to rid their sites of people who argue that Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen under the birther definition of the term.

    And just to be clear: I am not a birther. I am not pushing the birther definition of natural born citizen. They are wrong. I’m just trying to correct the mischaracterization of the birther position on Ted Cruz’s eligibility to be president.

  137. BeccaM says:

    While I doubt anyone is unaware of the birthers, in a nutshell, they’re
    people who claim that President Obama isn’t really president because
    they claim he isn’t really a “natural-born” American. Why? Because
    they think, incorrectly, that he was born in Kenya. In fact, Obama was
    born in Hawaii.

    And born to an American mother, which makes him a ‘natural born’ citizen no matter where in the world his actual birth took place, even if it had been in Kenya.

    No idea why those Birther morons never acknowledge this detail.

  138. Mighty says:

    Its true. I have been tormenting my conservative tea party friends and relatives with this. I constantly refer to him as “The Canadian”. When they say anything about Obama and no birth certificate I just mention Cruz and it shuts them up. LMAO

  139. Whitewitch says:

    You do know that Mr. Cruz has funny colored skin as well – yes? A shade or three lighter…yet not quite white – now is it.

  140. Whitewitch says:

    Sadly John I think you are mistaken….because I for one will be Mr. Cruz’s personal Birther nemesis. I plan to post anywhere that I see a story about him running that he is not a natural born american and therefore can not be President of this fine Country AND I am going to call anyone that disagrees with me a Commie, Pinko, America Hater! Yes I am….vengeance is mine saith the WhiteWitch!

  141. FuzzyRabbit says:

    Hey, Obama isn’t really American, just look at the color of his skin.

    That is what the birther movement is really all about. Ted Cruz could have been born in the Soviet Union of Russian parents and the birthers would still accept him while denying Obama.

  142. samiinh says:

    That picture of Trump’s hair looks like the ass end of a Lhasa Apso ready for a dog show.

  143. ixzist says:

    I don’t think most tea partiers can even make that connection. they don’t need reason, they just have to convince themselves that this ivy league asshole is somehow the good-old-boy savior that they want.

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