Who will be the new Pope: the mafia guy or the pedophilia guy?

Who will be the new Pope? UPDATE: The smoke has turned white, the new Pope has been selected. As of this writing, no idea who he is yet.

We’d reported the other day on one of the top Pope candidates, an African cardinal from Ghana named Peter Turkson who thinks pedophilia is a white thing. Well, step aside Pope Pedophilia cuz Pope Mafia is knocking on the door.

Pope Mafia?

The Guardian reports that another top favorite for new Pope, Angelo Scola, is none other than a man tied to a movement in Italy linked to what the Guardian calls “pervasive sleaze.” There’s another even more unfortunate angle to the story: the Mafia.

Cardinal Angelo Scola

Cardinal Angelo Scola (ChinellatoPhoto / Shutterstock.com)

As Alexander Abad-Santos at the Atlantic explains, the Italian anti-Mafia police in northern Italy have been investigating “the possibly corrupt health-care system, which anti-mafia detectives claim has been run by Scola’s longtime pal, Formigoni, who just happens to be part of the same lay movement in which Scola is now being tied up in. ”

Of course, before anyone gets giddy thinking this means Scola’s out, keep in mind who we’re dealing with here: People who aid and abet pedophilia.  What’s a potential mafia tie to people who shrug off the rape of children?

Or Racist Pope Pedophilia?

Ghanian Cardinal Peter Turkson via Haiducul, Wikipedia.

Ghanian Cardinal Peter Turkson via Haiducul, Wikipedia.

Then there’s Turkson, the Ghanian cardinal.  You see, Turkson not only thinks the Catholic church’s pedophilia is actually a gay thing, but he also thinks that pedophilia, and homosexuality, are white things, so they’ll never be a problem with the church in Africa.

Uh huh.

As I explained in my earlier post, the notion that “homosexuality is a white thing” is a theory embraced by a number of bigots in Africa, but it’s also a theory that holds some weight with some in the black community here in the states as well, and is used to justify homophobia generally, but also that specifically directed against gay African-Americans.

Here’s Turkson talking to Christiane Amanpourn about the white problem of pedophilia:

When Amanpour asked Turkson about the possibility of the Catholic Church’s sexual abuse scandal spreading to Africa, he said it would unlikely be in the same proportion as it has in Europe.

“African traditional systems kind of protect or have protected its population against this tendency,” he said. “Because in several communities, in several cultures in Africa homosexuality or for that matter any affair between two sexes of the same kind are not countenanced in our society.”

So the African body politic has a way of shutting things like homosexuality down.  The hits just keep on coming with these folks.

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43 Responses to “Who will be the new Pope: the mafia guy or the pedophilia guy?”

  1. caphillprof says:


    Subject: [americablog] Re: Who will be the new Pope: the mafia guy or the pedophilia guy?

  2. Clevelandchick says:

    Ugh, conveniently untouchable.

  3. Ninong says:

    Which country and which lawsuit?

  4. Ninong says:

    The answer is quite simple: African AIDS is caused by heterosexual sex but American and European AIDS is caused by homosexual sex. Two different viruses altogether. LOL
    Except that in Iran they don’t have any homosexuals, just ask Ahmadinejad. They try to catch them before they grow up and then throw them in prison until they’re old enough to hang — usually 18 but sometimes only 17.

  5. karmanot says:

    “which they claim never existed on their continent before the colonial period.” But AIDS did, how do they explain that.

  6. karmanot says:

    Yep, been there done me.

  7. karmanot says:

    hoyay uckingfe arecay

  8. BeccaM says:

    Another John XXIII, only without his reformation or progressive notions. He was pretty much the last decent pope the Church has had, excepting the possibly murdered John Paul I.

  9. BeccaM says:

    Which lawsuit? There are so many to choose from.

  10. “Quis futuende curat?” perhaps.

    “Fucking” in the sense used above is hard to translate. Really it has no part of speech and so would be classed as a “particle”, but I’ve chosen to treat it as an adverb.

  11. AnthropologistApologist says:

    FYI: In the African brand of Catholicism, things have played out a little differently with priests all but openly having mistresses and children because local cultures dicate that spawning lots of offspring is manly. AND because cultural evolution hasn’t yet made priests an exception, even priests have to prove their manliness to be respected in the community, so maybe that is why it is not necessary there as it has been in other places to HIDE in the priesthood if you would rather escape the societal pressures to prefer women if your preference is men or children. Remember that local culture is always mixed in with religions brought to a region. There, the priesthood is not a hideout for shunned sexual deviants, so to speak.

  12. Ninong says:

    Turkson has been campaigning for it ever since he got to Rome a few years ago. They almost never give it to anybody openly campaigning for it. That went out a few hundred years ago.

  13. Ninong says:

    He was the runner-up to Ratzinger in the last conclave. Funny how that stuff gets out in spite of the fact that they all take a vow of complete silence under the penalty of automatic excommunication.

    He was not considered to be in the running this time because everyone expected it to be Scola, as a “reformer” candidate acceptable to the Turkson faction and the Bertone faction. The other compromise candidates were expected to be either Quellet of Canada or Sherer of Brazil.

  14. BeccaM says:

    Looks like we were. Weird thing is this is the first time I’ve even heard the man’s name, and I thought I knew most of the serious players and candidates.

  15. Ninong says:

    Looks like we were wrong. Apparently Bergoglio was a compromise candidate and also from South America, which is one of the areas where the church is growing.

    Turkson was backed by the Third World block but I didn’t think he would ever get 77 votes. Bertone has too many enemies, according to that book that was based on Vatileaks. Scola is Italian and Archbishop of Milan, a powerhouse position when it comes to the Papacy. I think Scola was the candidate of the curia, especially the ones who can’t stand Bertone.

    Schönborn may have been too progressive in his theology for the majority of them but I thought he might be a compromise candidate anyway. Wrong! I though Sherer was a more logical candidate from South America but that didn’t happen either. Bergoglio may be sort of like John XXIII in that he probably wasn’t considered strongly aligned with either of the two main blocks.

  16. Me says:

    He is African. African Americans are American. He said Africans, not Americans. Two separate things.

  17. Me says:

    Who cares!!! Didn’t they just settle a law suit regarding priest raping children?

  18. BeccaM says:

    Looks like you may be right — and my own money is also on “a European” in general, especially given the RCC’s rightward conservative lurch in recent years. Scola seems likely, but I still don’t think Bertone is out of the running either. Or was. I guess we’ll find out shortly.

  19. Ninong says:

    If that’s a reference to Cardinal O’Malley then I would have to say that I don’t think there is any chance in hell that they would elect an American in our lifetimes.

  20. Indigo says:

    Viva il cappuccino!

  21. cole3244 says:

    whomever the new pope is he will be just like all the others before him, reprehensible and not worthy of the adoration given.

  22. PeteWa says:

    I’m hoping for Turkson just so we can watch the freak show from those fools who believe in the “Malachy Prophecy”.

  23. Ninong says:

    I have been expected it to be Scola all along but I also expected him to be chosen by the end of the second day, today. So we’ll see. I don’t expect it to be Turkson and never did. I just don’t see how he could get two-thirds of the vote. As a refresher, Turkson is the guy from Ghana who said homosexuality is not a “problem” in Africa because their culture doesn’t “countenance that.”

    Scola, on the other hand, is the guy who famously said that feminism causes homosexuality! LOL

    Are you done laughing yet?

    This is from a review of one of his books, “The Nuptial Mystery” :

    With a starting point in essential gender difference, love, and procreation, and with a remarkably elastic definition of “nuptial mystery,” enthusiasts will be further cheered to find John Paul II’s lead being followed by Scola as well in the condemnation not only of abortion and of genetic engineering (cloning), and of birth control, but also of feminism, of homosexuality, and of cultural traits Scola associates with feminism and homosexuality, namely individualism, libertinism, relativism, narcissism, and even nihilism. The cardinal’s logic, in fact, seems to be that feminism is responsible for homosexuality, because the more women act like men, the more men are likely to want to have sex with other men.

    Read that last sentence twice! Isn’t that a brilliant explanation for what “causes homosexuality?” It’s caused by feminism, because the more women act like men, the more men are likely to want to have sex with other men.

  24. nicho says:

    What’s interesting is that sometimes it’s not. John XXIII, for example, was a compromise candidate because the conclave couldn’t decide between the top contenders from the different factions. He was supposed to be a placeholder, because they figured he would kick the bucket in a few years, giving the factions time to solidify support. He really kicked over a hornet’s nest, and it has taken them nearly 50 years to get the hornets back inside.

  25. nicho says:

    Actually, a friend from Iran explained it just that way. Young men aren’t allowed contact with any women not in their family, so they experiment sexually with each other. They don’t consider it “gay” in the same way as we do, and they don’t self-identify as gay. Some do, of course, but many don’t.

  26. nicho says:

    The ironic thing is that conclave comes from “con” = with and “clave” = key, meaning they are locked up. Maybe Interpol should just surround the building and padlock it from the outside.

  27. Naja pallida says:

    I would argue that in strict male-dominated societies, where men aren’t even allowed unsupervised contact with women who are not their immediate relatives, there’s probably even more incidental gay activity, even among men who otherwise don’t actually identify as gay. Humans have needs, and history has shown time and time again, that they will get them out in whatever way they can. Praying and self-denial only goes so far.

  28. <>”…so I’ll go mafia pope.”

    Why do ya thing they call it a conclave?

  29. Naja pallida says:

    Wait, they’re picking a new Pope? I just assumed all the smoke from the Sistine Chapel was them burning evidence.

  30. How does one pontificate “Who fuckin’ cares?” in Latin?

  31. and India. A friend of mine, from Bangalore, told a group of us so, with a straight (no pun intended) face. When we burst out in laughter, he genuinely didn’t understand why.

  32. Bill_Perdue says:

    Nothing will prevent the election of a abusive, corrupt, ultraright leader for the roman catholic cult. The only interesting thing this time around is the development of faction based in Africa that closely resembles the faction of the anglo catholic cult based around Akinola and Okoh, rabid homophobes.

    Religion and superstition came to sub-Saharan Africa with the slave trade and colonialism. Tutu remarked on it saying “When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said “Let us pray.” We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.

    Shakespeare, as always, sums it up.

  33. silas1898 says:

    How convenient.

  34. nicho says:

    Questions, questions, questions Will they elect the racist, the mafia don, the homophobe, the misogynist, or the right-winger? The short answer is “Yes.”

  35. silas1898 says:

    Mafia pope. Greater ca$h income potential.

  36. nicho says:

    They all have diplomatic passports. They are princes of a sovereign nation.

  37. eahopp says:

    Does it really matter who they will pick for the next pope? It will still be the same old s#$&, different face.

  38. Carlton says:

    Hate to burst your bubble but the Dali Lama has made several homophobic comments in the past.

  39. Clevelandchick says:

    My money is on the one who needs to escape prosecution so I’ll go mafia pope. It’s not a papal election, it’s a witness protection program.

  40. condew says:

    I think they should consider electing the Dali Lama as the next pope. The Catholic Church needs a spiritual center, the Dali Lama needs a homeland. I’m sure China would object, but that’s just a bonus.

  41. S1AMER says:

    Who knows who they’ll pick — but you can bet your bottom dollar that whoever wins the red shoes will loathe women almost as much as he hates gay folk.

  42. Indigo says:

    In the good old “Christian” days, homosexuality was a “pagan” thing. Plus ça change . . .

  43. caphillprof says:

    With respect to Turkson, its a typical denial of ignorant people. There’s certainly no lack of same sex sexual abuse among the African American population. I also note that Iran maintains there are no homosexuals in Iran and so does China and . . . . . . . . . .

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