AMERICAblog NewsAMERICAblog News A great nation deserves the truth // One of America's top progressive sites for news and opinion Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:46:32 +0000 en-US hourly 1 Trump doubles down: Will only accept election results “if he wins” Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:44:04 +0000 Donald Trump just doubled down on last night’s shocking statement that he will not promise to accept the results of the November election, should he lose.

At a rally in Ohio, Trump just said that he will only accept the results of the election “if I win.”

Trump now treating this issue as a joke will do little to quell growing concerns among Republicans, and the media, that Trump is unhinged, and leading the country to a Constitutional crisis.

First, here’s Trump last night, refusing to say whether he’d accept the results of the election:

Now, here is Trump just moments ago, reiterating that he will only accept the election results “if he wins.”

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Hillary destroyed Donald Trump Thu, 20 Oct 2016 04:15:47 +0000 We have a winner.

Hillary Clinton absolutely, deliciously and definitively destroyed Donald Trump in tonight’s presidential debate.

The debate started slow. Throughout the first half hour, it felt like a typical old, boring presidential debate. Hillary looked good, great in fact. Trump looked as though he chose to forgo any make-up (he looked corpse-y). But, to his credit, Trump was calm, collected, and decidedly not crazy.

Then things changed.

Hillary managed to poke Trump a few times. I don’t even recall what the first poke was, perhaps it was berating Trump for his support of Putin. And trump lost it. LOST IT. It was like watching Alec Baldwin on Saturday Night Live. Trump would interrupt Hillary, mid-sentence, with a single word: “wrong.”

But the worst, most appalling part of the debate was when Trump refused to say whether he’d accept the results of the election. Hillary ripped Trump for it, as did every other observer besides Trump’s paid shills. The Trump surrogates and staff even tried to compare Trump’s near-call for a revolution to the contested election of 2000. As if Al Gore contested the election. He didn’t. As CNN’s Gloria Borger pointed out, Gore was ready to concede when the Florida Secretary of State called him and told Gore that there was going to be an automatic recount, and thus the election wasn’t over.

Another telling moment was when Trump called Hillary “a nasty woman.” It was gratuitous, nasty, and venomous. It was a moment of pure honesty — the real Donald Trump showed through in spades. Here is that moment:

Bottom line: Hillary killed it. Trump needed a big win tonight — a huge win. And Hillary destroyed him. He was exposed as an intellectual and emotional lightweight who isn’t fit to serve as president. Hillary, on the other hand, came across smart, cool, collected and presidential. There is no question who is prepared to lead our country.

My friend Alan Klein and I sat down immediately after debate and talked it through. You can watch that discussion here:

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Election 2016 update, the latest as we prepare to watch tonight’s debate Wed, 19 Oct 2016 23:09:30 +0000 I did a Facebook Live video a few hours ago about the latest in the election, and where things stand heading into tonight’s presidential debate.

I talk about about the latest polls, Trump’s and Hillary’s strategies for tonight’s debate, and overall what Trump is planning between now and election day (and after).

I’ll be watching tonight and micro-blogging on Twitter here: @aravosis

Here’s my Facebook Live video. If you like it, click the like button and share it please. Thanks.

Stephen Colbert “interviews” Melania Trump (video) Wed, 19 Oct 2016 15:24:38 +0000 Donald Trump’s wife Melania was interviewed the other night by CNN’s Anderson Cooper.

While Melania is typically shy of being in the public eye (though she was once a model), the Trump campaign apparently felt that they didn’t have a choice. With 9 women now publicly accusing Trump of sexually harassing and/or assaulting them, the Trump campaign felt they needed to push back with “the good wife.”

Melania is played by actress Laura Benanti, who is just a hoot. (I know her from Supergirl, but she’s big on Broadway as well.) There’s a great NYT interview with her, on how little time she had to prepare for her first Melania appearance in July:

How did the “Late Show” people think of you to play Melania Trump?

When I was on in March, promoting “She Loves Me,” Stephen pointed out the resemblance. He held up a picture of Melania, and I did a sort of squinty-pouty impression of her. That was that. Then Monday, I drove down to Delaware, because Thursday is my grandma’s 92nd birthday. Tuesday morning, I was eating cereal, just thinking I was going to lounge, and then I get an email from Vinnie Favale [a CBS executive], asking will I come on as Melania and spoof her speech? And I was like: “Yes! But I am five hours way.”

So what did you do?

My mom and my sister drove me two and a half hours to the train in Wilmington, where I then studied, for two and a half hours, her speech. Much to the confusion of the man sitting next to me. Who was like, what is happening? I was listening to it over and over again, and I would repeat after her. Then I zoomed in really close on her mouth, so that I could see what her mouth was doing. I can’t even imagine what kind of a creep this poor guy thinks I am.

Here is Benanti doing Melania this week:

And here she is earlier this year, doing Melania the day after the plagiarized Michelle Obama’s speech at the GOP convention:

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“Family Guy’s” Peter Griffin weighs in on the Trump-Bush video Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:19:24 +0000 What would happen if Family Guy’s Peter Griffin was on the bus with Donald Trump and Billy Bush?

Now we know.

Family Guy’s Seth MacFarlane reimagines the now-infamous Trump-on-a-bus video with Peter Griffin present on the bus.

I have to share two of the clips:


Watch the video, it’s great:

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A rare moment of civility and humanity between Hillary and the NC GOP Mon, 17 Oct 2016 01:00:53 +0000 In a rare moment of civility — and humanity — Hillary Clinton and the North Carolina Republican Party exchanged kind words on Twitter over the horrific news that someone last night firebombed a GOP office in the state.

While Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump used the crime to further his angry political agenda, Hillary Clinton expressed horror at the attack, and gratitude that no one was injured.

Trump first accused Hillary of being behind the attack, then only later thought to express any thoughts to the safety of the local party officials.


In fact, no one knows who committed the crime. And it’s worth noting that in the past, some of these political crimes have been hoaxes intended to blame the other side. So it’s best, and safest, to withhold judgment — unlike Trump, who yet again took advantage of a life-and-death crisis in order to make it all about him.

On the brighter side, what was particularly touching was the response Hillary got from the NC GOP:

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It may seem like a small thing, a tweet of only eight words. But in today’s climate, when Donald Trump is talking about the election being stolen, and his supporters are discussing whether to take up arms should he lose, the North Carolina GOP’s tweet touched a very good nerve for many. Though not all.

The responses to the NC GOP’s tweet were a mixture of praise and vitriol:

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I think you’ll be hearing more about this tweet over the next 24 hours. It’s illustrative of the way politics used to, and still can, be.

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Trump says the election was rigged… when he didn’t win an Emmy Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:17:30 +0000 Everyone has been abuzz the past few days about Donald Trump, and his surrogates (Giuliani and Gingrich come to mind), claiming that the election may be stolen from him.

But what folks may not have noticed is that this isn’t the first time Trump has claimed a rigged election.

In three different years, Trump claimed the Emmys were stolen from him as well. This is a pattern with him.

First some background on Trump’s recent claims that America is, in essence, Russia or a banana republic — and we just can’t run fair elections. Here is this morning’s Trump tweet-tirade:


Then take a look at Trump’s tweets in 2012, 2013 and 2014 about the Emmys. Anything sound familiar?


And here’s more from 2013 and 2014:


Claiming that the process is unfair, in order to excuse his own inadequacies, is par for the course when it comes to Trump.

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Trump’s use of phrase “telly-telly” could be his undoing Sat, 15 Oct 2016 02:49:35 +0000 Summer Zervos, a former contestant on the Apprentice, is one of the women who recently accused Donald Trump of kissing and groping her without her consent.

And while Trump denies all the accusations from the various women, Zervos’ use of the word “telly-telly” could be Trump’s undoing. It’s such an odd phrase, that if we can prove Trump uses it, it would add significantly to Zervos’ credibility.

In her press conference explaining her allegations, Zervos said the following:

At a Beverly Hills hotel, Trump’s security guard led her to a bungalow where he was staying. When she was inside, Zervos claimed, Trump greeted her with an open-mouthed, aggressive kiss while grabbing her shoulder to hold her in, and put his hand on her breast. Several times, she claims, she pushed him away and indicated he should stop.

When Zervos resisted Trump’s advances, she claimed, he tried to lead her toward the bedroom of the bungalow. “Let’s lay down and watch some telly-telly,” she claims he said. When she said, “C’mon man, get real,” she claims he replied, “Get real,” and thrust his genitals at her.

The word “telly-telly,” to mean television, bothered me. I’d not heard it before. Could this phrase help prove that Zervos was telling the truth in having had an intimate conversation with Trump?

First, I had to nail down the word’s origin. And I found it. Telly-telly appears to be short for “telly-telly bunkum box,” a phrase created by author Roald Dahl (author of “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory”) for his 1982 children’s book, “The BFG.” Dahl, like Trump, used the word to mean “television.”

Here’s the excerpt from Dahl’s book:

‘So what will happen to me now?’ Sophie asked.

‘If you do go back, you will be telling the world,’ said the BFG, ‘most likely on the telly-telly bunkum box and the radio squeaker. So you will just have to be staying here with me for the rest of your life.’

‘Oh no!’ cried Sophie.

Then I did the math. 1982 is 34 years ago.

Trump’s daughter Ivanka is 34 years old.

Is it possible that Donald Trump read “The BFG” to his daughter Ivanka, and thus the phrase “telly-telly” has always stuck with him as an endearing way to refer to TV?

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Trump appears before signs promoting anti-Hillary, cannibal, vampire Web site Wed, 12 Oct 2016 21:33:34 +0000 Donald Trump campaigned in Florida today in front of a group of people holding signs advertising a Web site that purports to be about “Blacks for Trump.”

The site in fact promotes bizarre conspiracies about the Clintons, cannibals, and vampires.

At the event in Lakeland, Florida, a number of audience members in the prime seating area right behind Trump kept holding up signs reading “Blacks for Trumps:”


When you visit, boy are you in for a surprise.

The URL takes you to another URL, That site starts with an already debunked photo purporting to be Hillary Clinton in blackface at a Halloween party. The picture is in fact a photoshop from 2015. But that didn’t stop from proclaiming Hillary a member of the KKK.

And that’s the high point of the Web site.

Under an image of the McDonald’s golden arches, the site carries a story about how ISIS is plotting to kill “all black women of America, Christian woman, press, Jews, gays & police.” That same article also notes that there is a “free jet ski party” every Sunday at 1pm.


The site moves on to showing a fake picture of former Senator Robert Byrd in Klan gear, then moves on to an article about how the Masons are eating us:by-default-2016-10-12-at-5-24-38-pm

And that is then followed by another article about “Vampires and Cannibals in American history”:


Then there’s a bit more about the free jet ski party:


The site continues with some court documents, a lease, and on and on and on.

It’s insane.

Trump reveals new election strategy: Don’t let women vote Wed, 12 Oct 2016 20:57:48 +0000 Donald Trump’s campaign sent out an email today from his son Eric, revealing Trump’s super secret strategy for winning the election in November: Only let men vote.

Trump included an electoral map in the email, purportedly showing the state of play in key battleground states. The map showed Trump winning all the battleground states.

But there’s a catch. As my friend Karl Frisch noted, Trump shared a map showing how he’d do if only men

Here’s 538’s map, in comparison — it’s the same map:


Of course, at the rate Trump is going, what with his vocal support for sexual assault, Trump may not be getting any votes from women at all. But those women won’t be staying out of the election, they’ll be voting for Hillary. And the map is going to look much bluer than the one Trump shared.

That map is going to look especially blue if Trump voters follow the instructions Trump gave in a speech yesterday, and vote on November 28. (The election is November 8.)

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Is it ethical for journalists to publish the stolen Clinton/DNC emails? Wed, 12 Oct 2016 19:39:25 +0000 It’s time for the media to ask if it is ethical to keep publishing the contents of stolen emails, presumably hacked by Russian intelligence, and intended to swing the presidential election for Donald Trump.

In the last few days, we’ve had leaked (stolen) emails that purported to be the transcripts of Hillary Clinton’s speeches, and other emails from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta.

These aren’t the first stolen emails to be released. Earlier this year, we saw the publication of what are claimed to be nearly 20,000 emails from the Democratic National Committee, and additional emails from the Clinton Foundation, among others.

The common thread in nearly all of the hacks is the intent to harm Hillary Clinton’s bid for the White House. This, and the fact that many of the hacks are now assumed to be the work of Russian intelligence, raises the question of whether US media and others should be helping to disseminate this stolen material.

1. But the information is newsworthy.

Yes, the information stolen from organizations and individuals associated with Hillary Clinton is certainly interesting. Also interesting would be files stolen from Hillary’s home or office, as would recordings from eavesdropping devices planted in her home, office and on her person. Would the media take such information and publish it?

2. Does intent matter?

The US government has now officially charged Russian intelligence with being behind many, and perhaps all, of these hacks. The Russian’s motive is to help Donald Trump win, and more generally to sow confusion surrounding the US elections. This raises two questions: 1) Should the media be wittingly doing the bidding of Russian intelligence; and 2) Is it ethical for the media to actively participate in a plan to swing the US election to one candidate.

While there would be ethical questions even were both candidates hacked, that would at least potentially level the playing field. In this case, the hacks are primarily against one candidate, and are intended to make that candidate lose at the ballot box. The fact that the stolen information is one-sided, and thus the media cannot be fair and equal in how its treats the information — there are no Trump emails to balance the Clinton emails — potentially raises a serious question of the overall fairness of the ongoing reporting.

3. Frequency of the leak.

There’s also something to be said about the frequency of the leaks. Perhaps — perhaps — one big leak might be newsworthy. But even were I to concede that point — and I don’t — this daily leaking of more stolen material is intended to disrupt the campaign coverage, continually throw Hillary off guard, and ultimately sway the voters to Trump.

It’s an interesting debate, since everyone leaks information to the media in an effort to help their candidate or cause. And if the information is newsworthy, the media runs with it. The difference in this case is that the information is stolen, and is part of a foreign intelligence operation to influence our election. That has to give the media additional pause.

4. Veracity of the stolen documents

Finally, who knows if any of these leaks are even real? I saw a leaked “Clinton speech” the other day that wasn’t even written in proper English. It was clear that a non-native speaker of English wrote the entire thing. So how does the media know whether any of these tens of thousands of documents are even real? Russian intelligence has likely buried a few particularly juicy, and utterly fake, pages inside those piles of stolen emails. How can the media possibly know what’s real and what isn’t?

And is it really fair to ask the Clinton campaign to sift through tens of thousands of pages of documents, one month before the election, to help the media verify what’s truth and what’s Russian dezinformatsiya? And for that matter, is it fair to publish the information simply because the campaign “had its chance” to deny the veracity and didn’t?

Eric Zorn with the Chicago Tribune weighed in on this issue as well:

Disseminating hacked email is abetting a crime in a way that offers encouragement and opportunity to future criminals.

And since there is strong suspicion that the Russians are WikiLeaks’ source for the DNC trove, that crime may be international espionage.

It would be a lot to ask any one news organization to skirt around a story this big on the dainty grounds of principle.

But it’s not too much to ask the mainstream media in general to think twice about being an eager conduit for stolen goods. And since there will be many more next times in the Era of the Big Leak, to at least agonize a bit before handing megaphones to the crooks.

I get that all of this is newsworthy. But this is not a normal leak of information. These are stolen documents, likely stolen by foreign intelligence operatives. And I’ll go one step further than Zorn: This is also an effort to disrupt, and throw the results of, our presidential election. That last point in particular gives me pause. And it ought to give our media the same.

The Zombie Trumpocalypse 2018 (funny video) Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:59:12 +0000 Comedy duo Andy Cobb and Maribeth Monroe take us to the year 2018, when the Trumpocalypse is in full swing.

This is really well done.

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Trump’s meltdown Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:52:27 +0000 In my latest Facebook Live broadcast, I walk through Donald Trump’s latest series of meltdowns following the shocking revelations that he openly advocated, and admitted to, sexually assaulting women in a video from a 2005 television appearance.

In response to the video, Trump has truly melted down, potentially taking the entire Republican party down with him.

Here is my update, and analysis about where the election stands, and what to expect between now and November 8.

And if the Facebook video below hiccups, you can watch it as well on YouTube.

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All Trump has left is Rudy Giuliani and sem#n Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:44:39 +0000 In case anyone thought Donald Trump wasn’t serious when he threatened to drag his campaign into the gutter these final four weeks, Rudy Giuliani dispelled all of that last night when he talked to MSNBC’s Chris Matthews about “sem#n.”

(Sorry, I have to use the asterisk or the advertising on this page dies.)

Donald Trump did terribly in the first presidential debate, and possibly even worse in the aftermath. Trump spent a good week after the debate attacking a former Miss Universe, urging his 10 million Twitter followers to look at her “sex tape” (the woman, Alicia Machado, has no sex tape; though Trump has appeared in a number of adult films). Trump’s position in the polls plunged accordingly.

Then, this past Friday, we learned of the now-infamous “grab her p*ssy” video in which Donald Trump bragged about his strategies for sexually assaulting women, including forcing them to kiss him, and “grabbing their p*ssy,” without their permission.

In response to the video, Trump issued a tepid written statement, followed by a purported “apology” video that spent half of its time attacking Bill and Hillary Clinton. In the video, Trump did not appear remorseful — rather, he was angry. That became more clear as the weekend went on, as Trump’s surrogates increasingly talked about Bill Clinton’s sex scandals while in office two decades ago. As many noted, Trump wants voters to ignore his sex scandal of ten years ago, while focusing on Bill Clinton’s of 20. (Putting aside for a moment that Bill isn’t on the ballot.)

Then, the icing on the cake was Trump’s decision yesterday to hold a press conference with three women who have made sexual claims against Bill Clinton. Trump then attempted to put them in his family box at the debate, where they would walk up to Bill Clinton and attempt to shake his hand on camera. The Republican debate chairman refused to permit it, and told Trump’s campaign that he would have the women removed by security if he attempted the stunt.

Which brings us all to Rudy Giuliani’s sem#n.

Donald Trump has finally come into his own. He is no longer being handled by staff. And most certainly no longer taking advice from his latest campaign manager Kellyanne Conway, who, oh so many weeks ago, managed to tie Trump down to a teleprompter for nearly four weeks (in which Trump’s polling improved markedly). Trump is now his own man, and that man is a childish, boorish, insecure, bullying pig.

Moments ago, Republican US House Speaker Paul Ryan told House members that he would no longer defend Donald Trump, or campaign with Trump, and will instead spend the next 29 days until the election attempting to defend his majority in the US House. It was suggested that they spend the next month doing the same.

Like Voldemort fading into dust after Neville slayed Nagini, Trump hemorrhaged far too much support this weekend to ever successfully come back. All Trump has left is Rudy Giuliani and sem#n.

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Trump’s video non-apology shows Trump thinks he’s the victim Sat, 08 Oct 2016 04:48:47 +0000 Donald Trump released a video, shortly after midnight Friday night, apologizing for being caught on camera acknowledging that he likes to sexually assault women.

The video, which had the production quality of Wayne’s World, was otherwise classic Trump.

First Trump apologized for what he said in the video, then he claimed the entire thing was a “distraction” and that Bill and Hillary are far worse.

Trump’s “defiant tone,” as CNN’s Brian Stelter called it, made clear that the GOP candidate thinks he’s the victim in all of this. Even the way Trump apologized, saying that he was sorry for what he said in the video, but making no mention of being sorry for what he did, or at least alleged that he did: sexually assaulting women.

Apologizing for the words but not the acts sounds like you’re sorry for being caught.

Also troubling is the fact that Trump mentioned Monica and Bill Clinton’s other affairs. That’s further evidence that Trump is not remorseful, he’s pissed. And he’s going to take out his revenge on Hillary, by discussing Bill’s affairs. It’s just one more sign that Trump doesn’t get it, and he’s not sorry about anything.

Here is a snippet of the video of Trump admitting he sexually assaults women — it’s definitely not for the workplace:

And here is Trump’s new “apology”:

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Trump recorded having lewd conversation about women in 2005 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 21:01:50 +0000 Donald Trump gave a rare “apology” today after a recording surfaced showing him having a lewd conversation about women with a reporter back in 2005.

The story was broken by the Washington Post’s David Fahrenthold.

Trump issued a statement today saying: “I apologize if anyone was offended.”

Trump’s “apology” went on to criticize Bill Clinton, who is not in this race: “Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course – not even close.”

A political analyst on CNN noted that she found Trump’s comments “predatory” on women, and she added that his apology was not a real apology. You don’t criticize someone else in your apology, she added. I’d also add that an apology isn’t an apology when you say “I’m sorry if you were offended.” The point is to acknowledge that YOU understand that what you said was offensive.

The video, recorded several months after Trump married his third wife, Melania, shows Trump talking to Billy Bush of “Access Hollywood,” who is now on the “Today Show.” They are discussing Trump’s many sexual conquests.

Here’s the video:

More from the Post:

“I did try and f— her. She was married,” Trump says.

Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”

“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.”

There’s more:

“I’ve gotta use some tic tacs, just in case I start kissing her,” Trump says.“You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”

“And when you’re a star they let you do it,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”
“Whatever you want,” says another voice, apparently Bush’s.

“Grab them by the p—y,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”

You can do anything. If you’d like to be on the receiving end of a sexual harassment, and assault, complaint. And Briana Keilor just noted this on CNN. He seems to be condoning forcibly advances towards women. Grabbing them by their private parts. It’s sick.

The fact that Trump immediately issued what is being called an apology — and Trump never apologizes — shows that campaign manager Kellyanne Conway likely intervened and told Trump that he had no choice but to step back the comments. Still, Trump being Trump, he couldn’t help but take a stab at Clinton, which Trump thinks somehow exonerates what he did, and you’ll also note that Trump’s apology is a bit of a non-apology. Trump said “I apologize if anyone was offended.” Trump didn’t acknowledge that was he said WAS offensive.

And finally, we have, yet again, questions surrounding Trump’s temperament. As Jake Tapper on CNN just noted, who talks like that? It’s shows an attitude towards towards women that is demeaning and degrading, and it shows all too well what Trump thinks of himself. He’s a “star,” he can do anything. You really need to watch the entire video, and see how Trump and Billy Bush suddenly turn on the charm when they meet the woman they were just having the lewd conversation about. Suddenly, Trump and Bush are all polite and charmed. It’s creepy as hell.

And then for Trump to criticize Bill Clinton, as if Clinton is relevant to this, and as if Bill Clinton didn’t already pay a price for his behavior: Clinton was impeached and publicly humiliated for what he did.

Is that what Trump is suggesting we do to him?

Media Matters has more of the blowback from commentators on CNN.



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Bad lip reading the first presidential debate between Hillary and Trump Fri, 07 Oct 2016 14:53:59 +0000 Possibly the best version ever of “Bad Lip Reading.”

This time focused on the recent presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

They nailed it.

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What each category of hurricane can do to a house (video) Thu, 06 Oct 2016 20:11:11 +0000 This is a horrifying video from the Weather Channel, showing what each category of hurricane does to the same home.

What’s kind of amazing is how scary already Category 2 hurricanes are. In a Cat 2 storm, the windows of the house can get blown in.

And Category 3, forget about it. The front door can get blown in by the wind, and the roof of the house can start to be lifted off by the wind.

Category 4, most of the trees fall, windows break, and shingles fly away.

And in Cat 5, you can kiss your home goodbye.

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Lewis Black on millennials who are unsure whether to vote Thu, 06 Oct 2016 17:05:12 +0000 Lewis Black weighs in on millennials who are unsure whether they’re going to vote in November.

Black notes that some millennials are voting for marijuana legalization but might not vote for president.

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Hillary’s video recapping the VP debate is delicious Wed, 05 Oct 2016 14:41:28 +0000 Hillary Clinton just released a video compilation of last night’s vice presidential debate between Tim Kaine and Mike Pence.

In a nutshell, Hillary took all of Pence’s denials of the horrible things Donald Trump has said, and juxtaposed them next to the videos of Trump saying those very things.

It kind of makes you wonder if Mike Pence has actually ever met Donald Trump.

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