Did Trump lie to Mich. recount court about voter fraud? If so, could be perjury.

CNN’s Jim Acosta raised a fascinating question today. If Donald Trump is now alleging that there was massive voter fraud in the 2016 election, then why did Trump’s lawyer argue in court, on Trump’s behalf, that there was no significant fraud in the election? See document below.

If Trump is right, and there is massive fraud, and Trump’s lawyers knowingly lied in official court documents, they could face professional and even legal sanctions — possibly even perjury charges, according to some lawyers.

And if Trump’s lawyers were telling the truth in court, and there was no massive voter fraud in 2016, then Donald Trump lied last night, and White House press secretary Sean Spicer lied (again) today, when they averred that up to 5 million people voted illegally in the 2016 election.

So which is it? Did Donald Trump’s lawyers knowingly lie to a judge in court, or is Trump lying to the American people now?

Here’s CNN’s Jim Acosta with more:

Here’s the Trump campaign’s court document:

Trump-court-michigan

And here’s more on what Trump said last night, and Spicer said today.

And here’s more on what happens when lawyers lie in court:

“You cannot advise a client to commit a crime. You cannot ask or help a client to submit forms to an agency or the court which you know contain lies. You cannot participate in anything that causes the court to be deceived. Knowingly doing so subjects the client and attorney to criminal prosecution,” she points out.

Lying in court is also a violation of the American Bar Association’s Model Rules of Professional Conduct.

We need some answers from Trump, because this is now getting legal.

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  • nellouise

    Trump is trying to discredit the 3 million popular votes Hillary has over him and add some additional distance because he’s that way. Can’t just win. Win big. He did neither. That’s a failure his his little world.

  • elite deplorable

    Uh, how about this. Trump claims to now have additional information suggesting fraud. Problem for him is solved. Easy Peasy

  • Demosthenes

    An excellent post, John. Lying to a court is not only a criminal offense, but also is grounds for disbarment. The best way to fight back at liars like the Donald is to literally turn his own lawyers against him.

  • woodroad34

    Now, news is coming out that his daughter and one of his appointees are registered in two different states…but according to Trump that’s fraud. Perhaps, in Michigan, he was trying to cover for his daughter.

  • The Liar-in-Chief says whatever it takes to get whatever he wants in any given moment, usually in association with maintaining his power, wealth, and insatiable need for approval. He did not want a Michigan recount because it might cost him his office, or further reduce the already tenuous legitimacy of the election results as of Nov 9th. Therefore he and his paid minions will say whatever it takes to support that position.

    Then it became known he absolutely did not win the popular vote count. Therefore now he and his paid minions are spinning the baldfaced pants-on-fire lie about some 5 million illegal ballots being cast, when the very idea is absolutely ludicrous..

    His inauguration wasn’t very popular at all. In fact, much smaller than either of Obama’s inaugurations and also smaller than the mass protests the next day during the women’s rights marches in DC and all over the country. This is intolerable to the pathological narcissist suffering from what appears to be rapidly escalating dementia. Therefore he and his paid minions are now lying repeatedly about objective, verifiable facts.

    He’s crazy. Stop trying to make sense of the irrational self-aggrandizing crazy behavior and statements from this certifiable madman and those paid to repeat his lies. This is what abused spouses do and it never works.

  • Zorba

    Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcjpags7JT8

  • woodroad34

    Having been a supervisor once or twice and having the ability to hire people–you learn essential vetting skills. I’m saddened that the people who voted for Trump have the inability to vet, and rely on unsubstantiated “feelings” to hire someone (they like the braggadocio/the clothes he’s wearing/the money and trappings–they don’t go behind the shimmering veil to see the desiccated soul and personality of the person they’re hiring). Like that old adage: to understand freedom, go into the military and have your luxuries taken away. I think people need to be taught at a very young age “discernment” and how to look past the cheese and glitz.

  • woodroad34

    You know, when my house leaks during a rain storm, you see a leak over the sofa and you think that’s where the problem is and then you see it by the doorway and you think it’s a new problem. Finally you realize–through deduction– that all the little leaks are coming from one big problem spot; you call a roofer and nail the sonofagun.

    Also, I believe even Republicans are sensitive to their constituencies (through pressure, not some kind of empathy thing) and they like being in power; given a threat to that power and they’ll bend over — look what happened during the campaign: BEFORE -“Trump’s the wrong kind of Republican, never, never, never”; NOW- “hello, my sweet little orange petunia”

  • woodroad34

    I like that, introducing the PEE-OTUS, King Con; America is screaming and writhing in his paw.

  • URstandingwhere

    The bigly fraudster King Con strikes again.

  • Duke Woolworth

    I wish you were right.

  • devlzadvocate

    True. One doesn’t get answers from Trump. Possibly only more questions.

  • devlzadvocate

    He doesn’t have a right to be delusional with his finger on the trigger, which he has 24/7. There is no diff between that and being delusional with a gun in one’s hand. Wait. There is a diff. 3 billion people. Also, I’m not so sure government officials lie “all the time”. I recently had a conversation with a family member who is pushing his son to run for office because, “he would be the only honest person in government” and “all elected people lie all the time”. Really, who elected them? Where did they come from? What does that say about you/us? Duh.

  • devlzadvocate

    What rmthunter said is true and has been our experience to date. This is going to be the daily drill: Wake up to a new tweet, a new Trump dog to chase, a new whim that comes flying out his mouth. If we take them all at face (ugh, that face) value, we will never make any progress and just move hour-to-hour with his schizophrenic plan. And it is his/their plan to confuse, overwhelm, exhaust and finally have us throw our hands up in disgust. Trump and the GOP will not relent regardless of complaints, protests, letters, calls to Congress, etc. They feel they were elected and they will enact everything that has been on their Eternal Wish List and they will do it FAST. Strike while the iron is hot. Trump was given his crown and continuance of his empire by the GOP hierarchy. He gave them the cabinet they wanted. They now work in concert for the 1% and the constiuency represented in that cabinet. Sure, we should continue to ask, probe, prod, protest, write, everything we always do. Just don’t expect much. I’ve already heard from some people their calls and letters are ignored. The world remolded. It just doesn’t look like us. On another topic, I have heard that many active duty military members are very concerned regarding his statement at the CIA regarding “another chance” in Iraq. They should be.

  • Duke Woolworth

    It’s his first amendment right to lie if not under oath. Government officials do it, sometimes for the citizens’ protection, all the time.
    He has a right to be delusional. Congress has the right to impeach and convict if they choose.

  • REODELL

    Any voter fraud investigation by the Trump administration will be a waste of taxpayer money. They will spend the next 4 years investigating with no firm conclusions. This is merely a distraction to the other misdeeds of an illegal president and administration.

  • “We need some answers from Trump. . . .”

    Don’t hold your breath — he’ll pivot and come up with something new, and the press will all go charging after the new shiny thing.

  • goulo

    Indeed, the story is probably that the millions of fraudulent votes were by all those illegal immigrant Mexican drug dealers and rapists Trump liked to talk about, mostly in states bordering Mexico. If Trump bothers to clarify his insane accusation of 5 million fraudulent votes, I expect this to be one of the explanations.

  • woodroad34

    Delicious. I’m assuming the comeback, however, will be that he didn’t think the general election IN MICHIGAN had any fraud–rather, he was referring to other parts of the country in his meeting yesterday .

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