Kremlin attacks me for criticizing Jill Stein’s unfortunate Moscow trip

Congratulations comrades! We all just ticked off the Kremlin. Again.

It appears that I’m the subject of a blistering article in the Russian state propaganda organ, Sputnik, over my recent criticism of Green party presidential candidate Jill Stein’s visit to Moscow last winter.

Stein went to Russia to attend a “gala” celebrating the 10th anniversary of another Russian state propaganda organ, RT (formerly known as Russia Today, until they realized they needed to nix the word “Russia” in their name if they were going to be successful in getting audiences to buy the Kremlin’s propaganda).

At the gala’s dinner, Stein sat at a table with Russian leader Vladimir Putin and with a key foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump, retired General Michael Flynn.

Green party presidential candidate Jill Stein criticizes the US in Moscow. (Is that a dead animal around her neck?)

Green party presidential candidate Jill Stein criticizes the US in Moscow. (Nice dead animal around your neck, Jill.)

After the event, Stein filmed a video on Red Square in which she talks about what she did while in Moscow. The video talks about how Stein spent her time in Russia criticizing the US, on human rights among other things, but the video doesn’t say a word about the abhorrent human rights abuses of the country Stein was visiting, Russia.

Russia, as you know, has a horrific record of LGBT rights abuses, including the government enabling neo-Nazis gangs to kidnap, torture and extort money from gay and trans people in that country. The neo-Nazis claim to have kidnapped over 1,500 LGBT people.

The Russian government did nothing about the gangs, and even denied their existence. Mind you, it wasn’t rocket science — the kidnappers filmed the kidnappings and torture sessions, and didn’t even hide their faces. We knew several of their names and the cities they lived in. The Russian government refused to act, because Putin was happy to let the neo-Nazis do his dirty work. It wasn’t until activists in the west, with my blog at the lead, documented the ongoing abuse, that the Kremlin was finally forced to act. The lead neo-Nazi was finally sentenced to 5 years in prison, but has now had his sentence reduced to 3 years.

That’s what Jill Stein refused to criticize in Moscow.

Photo of Jill Stein at RT anniversary dinner with Putin and Trump adviser Gen. Mike Flynn in Moscow, December 2015.

Photo of Jill Stein at RT anniversary dinner with Putin and Trump adviser Gen. Mike Flynn in Moscow, December 2015.

Stein did, however, criticize the US while in Russia, and expressed a surprised pleasure in her video that Vladimir Putin agreed with her. Gee, ya think, Jill?

So, it appears the Kremlin is mad at us again, this time for criticizing Vladimir Putin’s new bff, Jill Stein. And this time it only took us 48 hours to get the Kremlin’s attention. I think that’s a new AMERICAblog record.

The fact that the Kremlin is now openly-defending Jill Stein should not come as a surprise. Putin has already involved himself in the election in order to help Trump win, and just as importantly, in order to defeat Hillary Clinton. Putin hates Hillary because she publicly challenged the validity of the Russian elections in 2011. (That’s what you’re supposed to with dictators, stand up — not suck up — to them.)

So the Kremlin is actively pushing Trump as their preferred candidate, and Trump is gladly willing to parrot many of the Kremlin’s top talking points (about NATO being unnecessary, about America not needing to defend our NATO allies if Russia invade them, about America not having the right to criticize human rights abroad because we’re so “bad” at home). Putin’s support for Stein is similar. He knows there’s a better chance of disaffected lefties voting for Stein than for Trump, so Putin is also doing what he can to push liberal voters to Stein. All to hurt Hillary, and all to get Trump elected.

We even saw an influx of Russian sock puppet trolls on AMERICAblog on Saturday when the piece about Stein in Moscow was published. The trolls all wrote in fluent, but not-quite-right, English that had a decided slavic accent to it. (Leaving off “the,” having difficulties with prepositions, etc.) (For a really scary read about how sophisticated Russian sock puppets now are, and how they’re rooting for Trump, read this Daily Beast piece.)

In the end, it appears the criticism hit too close to home for the Russians. They were already caught red-handed stealing the DNC emails, And now we’ve been successful in undercutting their useful-idiot surrogates, like Trump and now Stein. And we caught some of their sock puppets too.

Oh, and we’re still waiting to hear if Jill Stein said anything about Russian human rights abuses against the LGBT community, journalists (Putin has enabled their murders as well), political opponents (who Putin puts in jail, and kills), or any others.

Hope springs eternal.

PS And for anyone pulling the old “you don’t criticize your host” card, Hillary did when she went to Beijing in 1995. She was happy to hold the Chinese government accountable for their human rights abuses. That was over 20 years ago. So don’t tell me it’s not done. It’s only not done by those who lack courage.

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  • Baal

    SIgh. I teach biology and physiology to undergraduates and doctoral students at a large university who easily grasp the relevant concepts, so it is pretty appalling that I would need to explain this to a physician. But you are simply one of her acolytes so I will write this out.

    It is imbecilic for many reasons. Studies purporting to show any significant biological effect of radio freqency electromagnetic radiation in mammals have in general not been reproducible, suggesting that if they are real, the effects are minuscule. Of course, this makes perfect sense since there is not even enough energy in the radiation at that frequency to make even one atom lose even one electron!!!!!

    Also, there is a marked distinction between cell phones — which NIH and WHO once raised some questions about — and the home wifi devices that Jill Stein was talking about most recently. There are many orders of magnitude of difference in the amounts of radio frequency energy emitted by:

    A. your cell phone (which has to communicate with a cell phone tower miles away).

    B. a micowave oven, which focuses all the energy in one direction to cause heat but not ionization, and

    C. the energy emitted by your home router that goes in all directions (the kind of thing we mean when we talk about wifi).

    The best llarge long-term epidemiological studies have failed to identify a statistically significant correlation between cell phone use and cancer, but in any case, if there is one, it would (a) have to be caused by non-signaling radiation emissions at higher frequencies from the cell phone iteself, and (b) would mean nothing about your ordinary wifi router, for example, which is thousands of fold less powerful. This is the sort of innumeracy that reveals a lack of critical thinking that characterizes Jill Stein and her followers.

    Here is some really basic physics you quite obviously need.

    http://www.atomsandnumbers.com/2013/why-the-sun-can-harm-you-and-wifi-cant-and-how-microwave-ovens-cook-your-food/

    And here is one of the best studies available. (Again, what people write about cell phones does not apply to most wifi devices).

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27156022

    Her statement can be summarized by clicking below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ViF6JRNjTk

  • Moderator3

    Yes, but he went to the place where bad commenters go. You don’t want to follow him there. Second warning.

  • OK. I maintain her comments are *not* “imbecilic”. She says:

    “It may surprise many people that over 200 scientific experts in the field have called for more research into the health effects of radiation from devices like cellphones and WiFi, especially on developing children, and a number of countries have banned or restricted these technologies in schools. These concerns were amplified by a recent National Institutes of Health study that provided “some of the strongest evidence to date that such exposure [to the type of radiation emitted from cell phones and wireless devices] is associated with the formation of rare cancers…”

    Scientists don’t know for sure if these technologies are safe for children, and as a doctor, I’d rather take precautions until the research is more conclusive. Protecting children’s health and respecting the scientific process is more important to me than giving simple, politically correct answers.”

    http://www.jill2016.com/jill_stein_answers_science_questions

  • People like me respond in kind. I would not have used the word had I not been replying to the use of it.

  • Dennis Prinskowski

    Oh, please! She was there as a guest of Putin. If your point is valid, why did she not speak out when she returned to the USA?

  • Dennis Prinskowski

    Well said! Maybe “I slept for years with the very insurance corporations I now criticize. Made me what I am today. A millionaire socialist!

  • Dennis Prinskowski

    I think it is interesting when people like yourself resort to grade school degradation of those who hold an opinion which is different than your own! You are too old to take your toys and go home!

  • Let’s dial back the name calling.

  • Baal

    Funny. I just checked out your posting history. I would agree without 85% of what you have posted on Disqus.

  • Spoken like a true imbecile.

  • Butch1

    I always looked forward to this part of that show. ;-)

  • Butch1

    Have you seen Rush Limbaugh’s apartment? It’s pretty much the same. (It seems like the “neuveau-rich” always go for the most opulent and gaudy look. “You cannot make a silk purse out of a pig’s arse.” )

  • Butch1

    RTTV has many programs on its channel and not all of them can be considered pushing Russian propaganda.

    I have watched it many times and such “lefties” have their shows on its station: Ed Schultz and Thom Hartmann and I wouldn’t call long time talk show interviewer Larry King, a Russian propaganda pusher.

    Yes, there are other shows on this station that do cover Russian History, etc. I have learned more about what’s going on in the Middle East and Syria and Turkey from this channel than any of the so-called “news-stations” in the US. It’s usually presented here first and in great depth before it ever is mentioned (if ever to this depth) on our own stations. I think we are also intelligent enough to know if it’s propaganda or just the other side of the story we are getting from the “propaganda” being fed to us from the White House as well. ;-)

    Dr. Stein missed an opportunity to mention their problem with human rights, though Trump said absolutely nothing at all. Perhaps he has been given a pass when he presents more of a danger. He obviously feels the same about human rights in both countries and perhaps they are par with him. That is even worse in my opinion than Stein only mentioning us.

    Getting back to the RT station; perhaps it’s not bad to watch other viewpoints and not just our own. I think we’ve certainly been lied to enough and it got us into Afghanistan and the Iraq wars by false information about WMD and other nonsense. I’m always willing to look at the whole picture and see what others have to say as well.

  • Baal

    Isn’t that kind of the whole point as to why you don’t criticize the US over human rights issues THERE? She wants to do it in Sweden or Australia, fine by me. Theres lots to criticize. Russia?

    No.

  • Baal

    What did she say at dinner with Putin?

  • Baal

    I will bet a great deal that Johnson gets far more votes than Stein.

  • Baal

    Only need to alter a few words to have a big impact. Things hacked by Russians need not be true.

  • Baal

    Thanks John for outlining how Putin will do anything to hurt Hillary Clinton and the Russian trolling operation. They are also investing Media Matters for America heavily. Call them out.

    Jill Stein is an imbecile.

  • cleos_mom

    New to English?

  • ParadeOfFools

    Why is the new generation (the most educated generation in American history) not familiar with the facts? Are you saying the gen x and the boomers were more literate than younger generations?

  • ParadeOfFools

    Should be.

  • ParadeOfFools

    How could it ever be too soon to help a margianalized group?

  • Tom Valentino

    I was making the point that it doesn’t really matter where the hacks came from; they still turn out to be true, and that’s the real story here.

  • Tom Valentino

    That’s not what she did. She was talking about peace. Believe it or not, America isn’t perfect, and her talking about peace in the Middle East while she was in Russia is far from attacking her own country.

  • Annie Coffman

    Naive about the hacking, to say the least.

  • Annie Coffman

    So why patronize such a place? Why attack her own country in such a place?

  • quax

    You must be doing something right.

  • Tom Valentino

    Who are you even talking to? It’s hard to know when all of the scary Russian operatives who took the time to read your blog post have been blocked. There must be a lot of them for you to have to block so many people who disagree with you.

  • ParadeOfFools

    LOL!!! We’re all Russian spies!
    Weird to see this blog turn into some conspiracy theory blog for John Aravosis.
    I appreciate criticism where it’s due, but have yet to see one remotely fair piece of journalism on Hillary from him. Such clear bias.

  • ParadeOfFools

    At least we know what Jill says in her speeches… unlike a “courageous” individual we all know.

  • Tom Valentino

    Sedition right?

  • Tom Valentino

    One more point… When you block all of the people who disagree with you, you end up with a lot of people who look like they’re arguing with nobody. I scrolled down, and it looks like a lot of people talking to ghosts.

  • Tom Valentino

    Do you mean sedition?

  • Tom Valentino

    I also wanted to point out that it would have been impossible for Jill Stein to point out human rights abuses toward the LGBTQ community in Russia, because they have law a against ‘homosexual propaganda’ in Russia that could get her arrested. Being arrested in the United States is one thing, but being arrested in Russia is a whole other story.

  • Paul Larkin

    nothing short of setition ,for this scunt

  • Tom Valentino

    Last time, I was blocked for some odd reason; I made the simple point that the Red Scare tactics the Democratic party is currently using are rather entertaining. I also pointed out that Jill Stein’s visit to Russia does not make her a Russian spy. Even if the DNC hacks were conducted by the Russian government, it wouldn’t make them any less true. It’s also quite entertaining the the writer seems to believe that anyone who disagrees with him is working for the Kremlin.

  • Badgerite

    What is ‘exceptional’ about America is that we can tick off not only the Kremlin but any of the powers that be in our own country without fear. And as Putin’s Russia has demonstrated, often of late, that is exceptional indeed. Moose and Squirrel says hi!

  • Congratulations, John! You’re the winner of today’s Daily Jackass!

  • It’s gone.

  • [email protected]

    GAG ME!
    Makes me shudder to think of that gaudy, ultra pretentious horror of an apartment! EUW! TACKY!

  • [email protected]

    Now, be nice, John! Some women of an old-er age who had gone through ‘the change’ can become a big heavier in the hip area – so, they could be deep pockets, but they could also be sewn shut cuz putting anything put into those pockets can cause big bulges in the wrong places!

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  • RKitty01

    if you find out let me know!

  • I see the Russian are back today. Welcome, Boris!

  • No. It’s something many of who are experts on the Soviets and the Russians have noted with deep concern.

  • It wasn’t meant as an i insult. I mean people who studied and worked to become experts on the Soviet Union, myself included. So it’s not just “joe blow” saying “gosh these guys remind me of the soviets,” it’s actually soviet experts who are concerned, left and right.

  • It’s a narrative that many are clinging on to for dear life. Change is hard.

  • Ross Barker

    remember when pro-democracy protests took place during the DNC where democratic officials reportedly took Bernie 2016 signs away from delegates, only to be replaced with pro-Hillary signs? let’s focus on our country’s problems with democracy first, John.

  • Ross Barker

    homophobe.

  • Ross Barker

    probably not directly from Hillary – but from the DNC funding the publication you work for, or something along those lines. you know, typical journalistic corruption.

  • Ross Barker

    it’s because John doesn’t want to admit that his article has no grip on reality, only past fear from US propaganda that was funneled up his asshole during the cold war.

  • Ross Barker

    wait, wasn’t your article about liberating the LGBTQA+ community? why say “a really *gay* Louix VIV palace like Trump’s”? why use ‘gay’ as negative connotation? are you no better than the neo-nazi’s in Russia? Not sure how using gay as a slur is expected to liberate the homosexual community.

  • Ross Barker

    I heard you had ties to the Clinton campaign, John. I’ve actually read a few articles about that in the past hour. This is nothing more than Clinton propaganda, and a smear campaign against Jill Stein. Keep in mind, John, Jill is running for president of the United States – not Russia. Considering she is a human rights activist and actively participates in civil rights protests, unlike Hillary, I’m 100% certain she disapproves of Russia’s own human rights abuses, just like she disapproves of the US’s human rights abuses.

  • Not sure what you mean by “those of us who spend time learning what made the Soviets tick” as I too have studied the Soviet Union quite a bit (and lived through the cold war) and while I agree there are some parallels I think it’s an entirely different monster.

  • It’s possible. But I think Putin’s behavior is seriously troubling, and to those of us who spent time learning what made the Soviets tick, this is all far too familiar behavior for comfort. They’re not he USSR yet, but they’re a far bigger threat than they were onjh a few years ago. And the election meddling and ties to Trump are really disturbing.

  • Bill & Hill triangulated the gay issue. Not really such an amazing record. They retriangulated when they saw they were being left behind by history. They are consummate opportunists. We don’t need to canonize them because our enemies are demonizing them.

  • Me talk troll some day!

  • Fair enough, but the experts I’ve read all think Putin is pissed over the election and the ensuing protests. Don’t forget, pro democracy protests are a BIG deal to a despot.

  • Be man work for living like me! Learn English speak and be big Putin troll!

  • Good post. Only one thing, in fairness. You said, ” Putin hates Hillary because she publicly challenged the validity of the Russian elections in 2011.” That’s obviously not the whole story. Clinton is for taking a forward position on Ukraine–providing lethal weapons to the Kiev government–and for setting up no fly zones over Syria, which risk getting the US into a shooting war with Russia.

    I’m not trying to start a polemic over the validity of these policies, but I think they weigh much more on Putin’s mind than Hillary’s outing of the Russian elections as not free and fair, which I think is generally understood in the West.

  • The counter argument against that is that we’re wasting time and energy because Russia really isn’t the big bad guy it was during the cold war. It’s more of a nuisance than anything, but it’s easier to cling on to an old familiar villain than acknowledge the problems run much deeper than that. In an information age like this – Russia could just be a patsy, or one among many nations that pose a threat to security.

  • Don Chandler

    Poe Wikileaks example:
    The post was written in the context of a debate about [Russian Exceptionalism], where a previous poster had remarked to another user “Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious.”[4] Poe then replied, “Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is uttrerly [sic] impossible to parody a [Russian Exceptionalist] in such a way that someone won’t mistake for the genuine article.”[1] The original statement of Poe’s law referred specifically to creationism but it has since been generalized to apply to any kind of fundamentalism or extremism.[3]

    I think the poster is serious.

  • Don Chandler

    Russian’s economy has contracted lately–.7% in 2015 and it’s expected to contract 1.x in 2016 and 2017.

  • Emi

    Dig deeper into HilLIARys pantsuits that you fantasize about wearing.

  • Pamela Anne

    Will you now elaborate about Clinton’s deals regarding her assistance in acquiring a $3.7 Billion dollar deal for Boeing with Russia when she was SOS? When it was a done deal she received a $900,000 contribution to her foundation and a commitment of $2 million dollars for a pavilion in violation of State ethic guidelines. Or maybe discuss how she helped Russia obtain 20% of the United States uranium reserves, after millions of dollars donated to her foundation from the investors and Bill receiving $500,00 for a speech at the Moscow Bank, seeking to push Uranium One. Oh and I guess these substantial donations were just an oversight when she neglected to report them to the Obama administration, per her agreement with him as SOS due to his concerns of quid pro quo. What criticisms did Hillary make of Russia’s human rights abuses during this time period while she was enriching her Foundation?

  • Snarki, child of Loki

    “The vodka was good, but the meat was rotten.”

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  • goulo

    “Putin is the greatest leader in the world, Russia is a fantastic place with real freedom.”?!

    Poe’s Law in action.

  • Alejandro Moreno S.

    WAAAA WAAAAAA someone call a WAAAAAMBULANCE for poor butthurt johnnyboy

  • I clearly ticked you off, so I’m doing something right :-)

  • Ding Dee

    Shame begging people for money using lies. Be a man and find work like everyone

  • He’s a bit of an apologist, that guy. I read it. And other pieces of his. I also think he doesn’t understand US politics. The notion that noting Putin’s involvement in the election will somehow anger Americans — not that russia is interfering, but rather American voters would be upset that we would waste time complaining about Russia interfering in our election, cuz hey, who cares about Russia anyway?! — strikes me as beyond naive, and borderline sock puppet.

  • I’ll buy you a really gay Louix VIV palace like Trump’s apartment :)

  • Well, if you ever do get those big Hillary checks, don’t forget to pass some of that moolah on to your Mods. ;-)

  • Lol

  • I’m still trying to find out how one gets all these fat checks from Hillary we’re all accused of getting

  • Donald, is that you?

  • Phil in FLL

    The current crop of Russian oligarchs remind me of the pre-Revolution Russian aristocracy (sitting atop the impoverished peasantry).

  • Phil in FLL

    It’s clear that both the Russian troll factories and American Trump supporters find Jill Stein useful. However, I was looking at a new poll from Georgia (link here) which gives Hillary 44%, Trump 37%, Gary Johnson 7%, undecided 10%… and Jill Stein 1%. Jill’s Stein’s national polling average is about 3%, but that percentage varies greatly from state to state.

    It just occurred to me that Jill Stein’s percentage has got to be much higher than 3% in deep-blue states like Massachusetts and California, and much lower in crucial swing states like North Carolina, Ohio, Georgia, etc. In other words, a higher Jill Stein vote percentage will only benefit Trump in deep-blue states that are utterly beyond Trump’s reach. Even more importantly, a lower Jill Stein vote percentage won’t help Trump in exactly the swing states where Trump desperately needs help.

    Sorry, Trump trollsJillNotHill folks. Jill Stein might get 7% in Massachusetts and watch Hillary kick Trump’s ass in Massachusetts anyway. But Jill Stein might manage 1% in North Carolina and Georgia and watch Hillary pick up those states. The numbers do not look good for the troll crowd.

  • UncleBucky

    Yep, all the Russian regime needs is to go back to the dukes and duchesses and Czar and Czarina to be EXACTLY back where they were in 1900!

  • UncleBucky

    Excellent use of dictionary and thesaurus!

  • UncleBucky

    Hmph. A GREEN vote is both an ORANGE and RED vote!

  • Recently I ran across a show on Hulu that I’d heard of but never seen. It was a short-lived sitcom from 2000 called Normal, Ohio. John Goodman plays a gay man who moves back to his hometown. There’s a reason it wasn’t successful, although it does have a very good cast. Anyway, the thing that stood out was that in every episode there are at least 2-3 characters who get to make pretty bad homophobic comments/jokes. (Bad not so much as in mean but as in poorly written and not very funny.) I don’t think anyone would write anything that way but just 16 years ago it was thought necessary to pander to the homophobes in the audience so they felt their opinion was being heard, even in a show that was obviously intended to show a gay character in a positive light. They even went to a test screen (comicly) during the one male-male kiss (which I don’t think was ever shown…Hulu had the unaired episodes) between Goodman and Dan Akroyd. It was ridiculous but at the time no one had shows such a kiss on network television.

    We really have come a long way.

  • Ferry_Fey

    Note that the 5 person Board of Selectmen in Jill Stein’s home town of Lexington MA is the equivalent of the “town council” in many towns, making policy and overseeing the operations of town government. Jill’s only experience in an elected position was her two terms as a Representative to the Town Meeting. These Representatives (she was one of some 200) appropriate funds for operating and capital budgets and approve all General and Zoning By-Laws. The Representatives have fewer day-to-day responsibilities than the town dog catcher.

  • RKitty01

    Does anyone know how I can apply to be a paid Russian troll?

  • I’m half tempted to do a Boris & Natasha fest on the blog.

  • And he stuck his neck out doing those things for us. We got DADT because Bill Clinton was dumb enough to try to repeal DADT on day one of his presidency, all the way back in 1993 when no one liked us. That’s why we got DADT, because Clinton tried too hard too soon to help us.

  • Opinionated Cat Lover

    It is amazing how far we’ve come. I think a big part of it is the easy dissemination of information — the world is flat now thanks to the Internet, and many barriers that would have made gay rights into a 60 year slog got fast-tracked by organized effort by people using IT to connect in ways not possible as recently as the 1990s. I grew up in the 80s, so watching how fast we’re moving has been shocking. But boy is it fun to tweak the same kind of @sshats that bullied us when being nerds wasn’t considered cool, and extend the tweaking to the @sshats that bully gays, women, and minorities. That’s fun, I tell ya. Fun. ;)

  • Too many new posters, especially new Disqus accounts, too quickly is always suspicious.

  • After four bankruptcies you can imagine why American investors might be wary of doing business with The Donald.

  • Google translate is sometimes good and others times not so much, he said from personal experience.

  • It’s not so much that Bill Clinton was the most pro-gay president in history, it’s that he was the first president to mention gay people positively or appoint openly gay people to posts, something he was widely criticized for on the right. (Remember “that damned lesbian”?) I think many here are just too young to remember. I remember in 1992 thinking that after making promises to gays and openly campaigning for our votes that if he lost no candidate would do that for 20 years. Well he did win and by 2000 we had both Democrats running for the nomination courting the gay vote. I remember commenting at the time that I felt like Susan Lucci during February sweeps. None of their positions would be that impressive by 2016 standards obviously which says more about the progress that we’ve made than it does about the character of Clinton, Gore or Bradley. Some days I have to pinch myself. Can gay people really get married now? For real? I remember coming out and thinking that such a thing was impossible in my lifetime. I even remember feeling like my career choices were limited if I wanted to be out.

  • Or to torture and murder gay people and put the video up online knowing you won’t be punished. I make no claim that my country is perfect, but lack of perfection does not preclude my ability to criticize others so long as my criticisms are based in reality. Putin is a thug.

  • Opinionated Cat Lover

    And on top of that, saying that pointing out that Stein got help from Putin who happens to like and be liked by Trump isn’t red-baiting. We’re not saying Putin is a communist. Maybe red-baiting in that Putin would make a very convincing Republican in the US, but that’s different. ;)

  • mgiltz

    This is the most fun I’ve had in ages with trolls! I had no idea Russia was deploying them worldwide. Interestingly, I also see right-wing (foreign?) trolls on entertainment sites like Rolling Stone and industry sites like Variety and Hollywood Reporter. Comments have usually been useful except for specialized sites with intelligent, devoted readers (like Roger Ebert’s movie site and Americablog, eg.). These trolls have made many, many sites so useless in terms of comments that I’d suggest the sites just get rid of that feature. But here? The US is “not thriving with happy people”? Pure pleasure.

  • Moderator3

    No it is not. Perhaps your tinfoil hat is too tight.

  • “Mr. Putin, your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?”

  • Or they didn’t teach you how to copy and paste links correctly in Russian troll school.

  • Oh my god, thank you for making my day. I actually laughed out loud reading this. You can actually hear the foreign accent in the writing! I love it!

    “our form of society is not thriving with happy people”

    Dude, that so ain’t English :)

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    In Russia, it must be morally valid, to assault, arrest, and murder members of the world’s LGBT community.

  • RD1485

    Putin is the greatest leader in the world, Russia is a fantastic place with real freedom.
    More and more Americans are waking up to what’s wrong with this country, we don’t
    need to see Russia bashed and hated, while our country does so many terrible things
    all over the world, and our form of society is not thriving with happy people.
    Perhaps if you read Putin’s U.N. speech he made in New York in 2015 you would
    understand exactly why there are good ideas for the progress of humanity and
    safety of this planet shared between Putin and Jill Stein, so why don’t you look into it.
    The whole world is tired of the same old superiority complex high finance and Americans
    have foisted on the rest of us without our permission. So please do not assume your opinions
    are morally valid or sound historically, either. It’s ok to admit you’re wrong.

  • single payer

    This site is blocking the link……

  • Yep, once you get that far away from establish facts, you’re either a Russian troller a trunk troll. And again, we’re dealing with a new generation of voters who aren’t familiar with the history or the facts. So sadly the Russians have learned along with the Trump campaign, and Bernie’s campaign as well, that you can sell new young voters a bill of goods that is it necessarily historically true. So Bill Clinton’s presidency suddenly becomes an awful evil horrible presidency. And Hillary suddenly becomes anti-gay. When Clinton’s presidency was in fact amazing, and Hillary’s record on gay rights and trans right is amazing. But if you didn’t live through it, you’re not aware of what it was really like. And you’re willing to believe what people tell you on Twitter and Facebook and YouTube.

  • That’s why I think they’re sock puppets. No one but a sock puppet is gong to hit right deny established facts. Well, that or a republican GOP candidate.

  • Agreed on all counts there, Phil, but simply putting a #JillnotHill hashtag in a message doesn’t mean a thing as far as the sincerity or motives of the commenter in question. For example, that commenter in the thread below here, who looks to me to be a Trump supporter or yet another Russian troll, by stint of the fact they try to make it sound like the Dems were the commie-baiters in the ’50s.

  • You seem to have failed your American history classes, assuming you attended any. The vast majority of the Red-baiting in the U.S. was led by Eisenhower-era Republicans and continued right up through Nixon and Reagan. You might start with reading about Senator McCarthy.

    Jill Stein is now obviously a dupe, a proverbial ‘useful idiot,’ for the Russians, who want to see Trump elected because that’ll pretty much finish off the United States as a superpower, and possibly even as a nation.

    Stein herself is an unqualified loon has never held an elected public office higher than one of a bunch of people on a town council.

  • Phil in FLL

    Law enforcement authorities are in agreement that Russia is responsible for the DNC hack. Trump’s financial obligations to Russian oligarchs is documented, and his son admitted as much. Here is Donald Trump Jr.’s quote from 2008:

    “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.” Donald Trump Jr. added, “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

    The full article in the Washington Post is here:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/heres-what-we-know-about-donald-trump-and-his-ties-to-russia/2016/07/29/1268b5ec-54e7-11e6-88eb-7dda4e2f2aec_story.html

    Contrary to the implication in your comment, this is not some paranoid conspiracy theory that people are fabricating. Please familiarize yourself with the facts. Also, see my comment above about the foolishness of conflating the red-baiting of the 1950s with criticism of Putin’s current regime.

  • Phil in FLL

    (1) The Putin regime does not operate under a communist or even socialist economic system. The Putin regime operates under a laissez-faire market economy that is accurately described as an oligarchy. Would the trolls kindly refrain from calling criticism of Putin’s regime “red-baiting” or “McCarthyism?” Commenters who do that are only displaying their vast ignorance and making fools of themselves.

    (2) Commenters who cite agreement with Jill Stein on the various issues and extoll her ideological views are Jill Stein supporters. On the other hand, commenters who mainly demonize Hillary Clinton while avoiding any criticism of Donald Trump—all the while claiming that they are Jill Stein supporters—are not Jill Stein supporters, but rather Trump supporters. There is an obvious difference between the two types of commenters. Clearly, the “JillNotHill” crowd are announcing to the world (by their slogan and the content of their comments) that they are interested in lowering the chances of Hillary’s election, not lowering the chances of Trump’s election.

  • Then it goes well with his argument

  • Jill Who?

    Oh yeah, the far-left’s answer to Donald Trump. That Jill.

  • Moderator3

    Your link is a dead end.

  • Oh yeah, I unfortunately accidental spam-blocked the best one — perfect English, yet not quite right, with all the Russian-Language errors in his writing, while claiming to be some anglo -American. Was fascinating, and kind of funny. But also kind of scary. This is what Russia does now, and does well. They troll. And they’re doing it to influence our election.

  • Hi, welcome to America. I realize not much of the Internet is in Russias, so you may not have read the latest stories about it being pretty definitive that Russia stole the DNC emails. But I’m sure someone else here can help you with the Google.

    As for Democrats having a long history of mccarthyism, uh, that’s just nuts cuckoo. Though I will admit that I’m impressed by the tactic of claiming this — you’re hoping that Millennials are too young to know, to remember, to have experienced, the reality that it’s always been Republicans who have resorted to accusing Democrats of being communists.

    And I’m sorry, but Glenn is a friend, but that publication sadly went off the deep end a while ago. Their new hires are pretty far out there, young and inexperienced and very angry far lefties. The intent, sadly, seems to be to simply destroy the Democratic party, rather than reform anything, fix any thing, make anything better. So, I take what they write with a big grain of salt.

    Anyway, welcome to the West. I hope you enjoy your time here.

  • cinemaven

    I generally know the names of commenters here because I often read comments without posting. Yesterday was wild…so many new comrades, uh commenters

  • single payer

    Nice smear……….

    Wonder about all the references to Russia lately………?

    https://theintercept.com/2016/

    Jill Stein 2016
    #JillNotHill

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