Sanders delegates boo him at the Dem convention

Bernie Sanders got roundly booed today at the Democratic Convention by his own supporters.

Speaking to his own delegates at the convention today, before tonight’s big speech in which he’ll formally endorse Hillary, Sanders called on his supporters to join him in getting Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine elected.

That was met with a very loud chorus of boos.

 

Now, it should be noted that a recent PEW poll found that 90% of “consistent” Sanders supporters already support Hillary.

And keep in mind that only the most die-hard Sanders supporters are going to spend the money to attend the Democratic convention (airfare and hotel can easily cost over $1,000).

Still, it’s disturbing that these same Sanders supporters hardly booed at all when Bernie mentioned Donald Trump, a man who will single-handedly undo everything these people claim to care about:

Bernie Sanders created a movement, but he fed that movement with a little bit of crazy. All the talk of how the election was stolen, and how corrupt Hillary was, was taken to heart by his followers. And now, understandably, 10% of them aren’t terribly interested in hearing Bernie’s “never mind” speech to the convention.

In some ways, I get why the Bernie ten-percenters are so upset. He did say some awful things about Hillary and the party, and he refused up until the end to say that he’d support her if she were the nominee. So it’s understandable that some of them are mighty confused at this point, especially if they’re new to politics.

If you’ve been around politics for a while, you know that primaries are vitriolic. I won’t say that our candidates “lie,” but they are prone to hyperbole when attacking their fellow Democratic opponents. And you simply have to get by that hyperbole in the fall, when the primaries are over and it’s time to take down the Republicans.

Unless your party’s candidate is working for America’s enemies — Donald Trump’s ties to Putin come to mind — or the candidate is calling for, oh I don’t know, the mass deportation of an entire class of American citizens simply because of their faith, you have to get over the primaries and start focusing on the greater evil.

And that’s ok. Because sometimes elections simply aren’t about voting for your favorite candidate, or even a candidate you like. Sometimes elections are about stopping a really bad guy from ruining everything you cared about in the primaries, even if you think the woman running against him ain’t that great either.

Now, I happen to think Hillary Clinton is awfully great. But you don’t need to agree with me on that point. You simply need to realize that Donald Trump poses a unique danger to our democracy and our values. And that he must be stopped. And if that requires the ten-percenters to hold their nose through November, then so be it. We’ve all been there.

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  • Bill_Perdue

    I replied to you pointing out HRH HRC’s rabid and long term racism. What do you think of people who would vote for a Dixiecrat racist like her?

    How does opposition to Hillary Clinton’s racism constitute white privilege?

  • Don Chandler

    Early on is when Bernie needed exposure. Obviously something he has said has resonated with folks. He got 12 million votes compared to 16 million for Hillary. You just happen to be one of the 16 million and myself one of the 12 million. What I wanted Hillary to do was work with Bernie to make the democrat primaries more fair. Get rid of the superdelegates and remake the dems as the party of the people. The Republicans can keep their unbound delegates if they want. I can’t stand the GOP. I just want the people to decide who is the nominee and not the ‘elites’…I don’t believe in elites.

    As far as I’m concerned, Hillary won after California. Had she lost, I would have been one of the Bernie Bros complaining now. But Bernie didn’t win California. I could never boo Bernie. I think he did good supporting Hillary at the end. But it would be so nice to see Hillary come over to Bernie’s position on Superdelegates. It would show respect and cooperation to work together to eliminate the superdelegates. It would show that Hillary can get things done too. And this most of all, Trump beat the system, the GOP system. I want to see Hillary and Bernie fix the DEM system, not beat it. This would effectively answer Trumps rhetoric that the system is rigged.

  • 2patricius2

    The debates left me more in support of Clinton. I agree with much of what Sanders said. But when issues other than wealth disparity and big banks came up, he had little to say. Clinton was much more familiar with a whole range of issues and she didn’t need to resort to canned answers when other issues came up. Plus, her background and experience on the local, national and international stages is much greater.

    And I must admit, when a group of Bernie’s supporters began to boo him, and when they began to boo Elijah Cummings, I lost all respect for them. This does not mean that I have no respect for Bernie’s supporters. The ones I lost respect for are those who arrived at the convention and refused to respect speakers who have been in the trenches for years and who refused to respect even Sanders himself when he had the class to support the woman who had won the most votes and the most delegates.

    And I have no respect for the supporters outside the convention hall (did they really support him from the start?) who are so short-sighted as to think we will be better off with the narcissistic, sociopathic, pathological liar Trump than with Clinton who has spent her life working for women and children and people with needs.

  • ninjakiller

    They can’t see the forest for the trees. They think that we’ll just go along for the ride for the social issues, while ignoring Clinton’s economic stance.

  • ninjakiller

    Election Justice USA released an almost 100 page report on the Democratic Election. Democracy Lost: A Report on the Fatally Flawed 2016 Democratic Primaries
    The following is from the last page of the entire report:

    A. CONCLUSIONS

    We have aimed to provide an overview of the evidence for various types of fraud and targeted voter suppression impacting the outcomes of the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries. After covering the legal background and the history of Election Justice USA’s legal actions, our best efforts to combat election fraud and voter suppression, we gave a thorough treatment of:
    1) Targeted voter suppression
    2) Registration tampering
    3) Illegal voter purges
    4) Exit polling discrepancies
    5) Evidence for voting machine tampering
    6) The security (or lack thereof) of various voting machine types
    Finally, we gave a date-by-date, state-by-state overview of each of these fraud or suppression types at work throughout the course of the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries. Based on this work, Election Justice USA has established an upper estimate of 184 pledged delegates lost by Senator Bernie Sanders as a consequence of specific irregularities and instances of fraud. Adding these delegates to Senator Sanders’ pledged delegate total and subtracting the same number from Hillary Clinton’s total would more than erase the 359 pledged delegate gap between the two candidates. EJUSA established the upper estimate through exit polling data, statistical analysis by precinct size, and attention to the details of Democratic proportional awarding of national delegates. Even small changes in vote shares in critical states like Massachusetts and New York could have substantially changed the media narrative surrounding the primaries in ways that would likely have had far reaching consequences for Senator Sanders’ campaign.
    B. RECOMMENDATIONS

    We conclude by calling for decertification of the 2016 Democratic primary results in every state in which we have established a reasonable doubt as to the accuracy of the vote tally. Finally, we wish to bring the reader’s attention to three simple reforms that would eliminate the mere possibility of the vast majority of fraud types demonstrated or evidenced in this report:
    1) Exclusive use of hand-counted paper ballots in all future US elections.
    2) Automatic voter registration, with same-day party affiliation switching as a mandatory
    condition for all elections that are publicly funded.
    3) Restoration of voting rights legislation which would ensure adequate access to polling sites.
    Election Justice USA maintains that these recommendations for future elections, contrary to common claims, save taxpayer money. While beyond the scope of the present report, we aim to present a convincing case for this as part of subsequent publications.
    EDIT:
    For those questioning Election Justice USA legitimacy. These are the same people who did the emergency lawsuit in New York in an attempt to allow the purged voters to be able to vote, and to make the New York Primary Open.
    http://www.nytimes.com/live/new-york-primary-2016/group/
    http://gothamist.com/2016/04/18/voter_registration_lawsuit.php
    http://www.inquisitr.com/3012582/new-york-primary-lawsuit-update-voters-wrongly-purged-from-democratic-party-rolls-may-still-be-able-to-vote-judge-declares/
    http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2016/04/18/election-justice-usa-files-emergency-lawsuit-ny

    Hillary and the DNC colluded to steal this election from the start. Millennials will be rightfully sitting this election out. Do enjoy the Trump presidency, you and other democrats have earned it.

  • Kansachusetts

    OK, John, you’ve lost me now. I have no problem with you posting about the booing. I most certainly have a problem with you NOT posting about Sanders’ speech and the work he is doing to unite progressives behind Hillary. If you are just going to spout vitriol about Sanders every time you mention him, I’m out of here.

  • Joandcotton3

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  • My, my, what charming wit.

  • pud

    Btch
    Fggot
    Assho/e

  • You’re the ones who wanted a Trump presidency by electing Hillary. She’s 5 points behind Trump – Bernie’s 11 points ahead. Good luck this fall – it’s on you!

  • lilyhammer

    If your “conscience” would allow you to risk a Trump presidency, we don’t have the same meaning for the word.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Will it get through congress? No, not at this time, but that is no reason to not aim for those things and try to pass them. I can’t buy giving up before you try. In the year 2000, nobody thought that someone like me could get married. Because there were lots of people who tried, I wake up next to my husband every morning.

  • dragoon1

    why be racist?

  • dragoon1

    “Blah blah blah” – John Aravosis

    this coming from a pampered media whore who talks way too much.

    If you only knew the contempt people have for people like you. Privileged pseudo-journalists, making a living spewing establishment blather.

    But, please, speak for the everyday person, we are waiting with rapt attention for your next gem of wisdom

  • Yes, $5815 HELPS, but it’s not full tuition for a whole year anywhere.

  • The rich have always been willing to shell out the cash for junior to go the Harvard or Yale. That’s never been the issue. But the high tuition today is a strain for middle class families. I agree we have to do something about it. But what, and what is it going to cost.

    Yes, the Romneys and company could pay more in taxes. But no tax increase is going to get through Congress while Republicans control the house (and senate). And no one thinks Democrats are going to get back the House any time soon. So how, exactly, does that happen.

    I get the ideals of what you want and I agree with them. But I think it’s irresponsible to promise people things you know you can’t deliver during the next four years. I heard a lot of “I’m for Bernie because he’s going to get us free tuition.” I didn’t even know how to respond. 1) He’s not going to win the general (the GOP would have dogged him with socialism and atheism, two things most Americans are afraid of) and he’d have gone down like McGovern. 2) He has no hope of passing anything like that through Congress.

    I am for big ideas but I’m not for empty promises. Trump offered a lot of that last week. big ideas with no plan to get there. Those things aren’t going to happen and promising them is just lying.

  • Demosthenes

    I live in an area populated by wealthy, entitled people. I know that crowd.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    No, that’s an opinion. You can’t really tell what they are thinking. That means all of them.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Mr. Socialist has to step in here. Concerning how to fund free college tuition, the money is there. First there would have to be a determination based on means. If parents can afford it, they pay for it. The decisions should be a lot more liberal than the Pell Grants’ criteria. In this country, there are people who live in houses worth millions of dollars. Remember Mitt’s car elevator in his garage? If they can afford that, they can afford to pay more in taxes.

    I have a nephew in Pennsylvania, who received state aid in getting his medical degree. He had to agree to work in a part of the state in need of doctors. It was only for two years. He was still paid for his work. It was really a win win situation. The country could use the extra hands of those receiving education aid.

    Personally, I feel that parents can take on a lot of the costs of education. I managed to get two through college. It was a struggle that was aided by scholarships. Still, when they were finished with college (one even got a medical degree), it took a while for me to understand why I seemed to have so much more money.

  • Demosthenes

    Facts.

  • Fearmongering.

  • Don Chandler

    Promise full tuition but get 2 years or community college through. $5815 is very good money for the first two years.

    Totally agree on DADT and your comments on Marriage Equality are valid. Certainly didn’t want to wait for Congress. The public support for MEquality was huge. Unfortunately, anything that didn’t have congressional support can end up back up in courts…which will be stacked against gays when … You Know Who, wins ;)

  • Most college students are not eligible for Pell Grants and the max on those grants per student for next year is $5815. That will not even cover full tuition for the students eligible. Free college tuition is a great idea, but how are we going to pay for it? Once Congress saw the price tag, that would be the end of that idea.

    DADT was a fiasco. Clinton made a promise in response to a question asked on the campaign trail. It wasn’t thought out in advance and he was completely unprepared for the backlash. DADT was supposed to be a compromise but it was a complete disaster which made everyone on both sides angry. I make no excuses for him on that. He handled it poorly the whole way through. And it pretty much derailed his presidency and the gay issue plus health care created the backlash in 1994 that gave republicans Congress for the next 12 years.

    As for gay marriage, that’s a completely different issue. I’m glad we pushed for it. But if we had to wait for Congress to vote on that, we’d still be waiting. We can’t even get a nondiscrimination bill up for a vote in Congress even though that has support from a majority of Americans.

  • Don Chandler

    “However, if a leftwing Trump ever does arise and the voters are temporarily dazzled, I want the party to be able to say loud and clear, “This is not who we are.” “–

    You mean like a socialist?

  • Demosthenes

    The “Bernie or Bust” dead enders are allies of the Donald and Vlad Putin by attempting to throw the election go the least qualified candidate in US history.

  • She’ll make concessions and essentially be a moderate right president but – yes, she’ll be better than Trump. My vote is a vote of protest. If it comes really close I’ll hold my nose and vote for her – if not, I think the Dems need to see a little bit of dissent.

  • emjayay

    Never bothered me, and there has never been a candidate for anything that checked all my boxes. I’m well to the left of most voters, and more knowledgeable about the issues and economics, sociology, history etc. as well. I can’t expect the perfect for me candidate to be running, particularly in the finals.

    If I go to the store and they don’t have organic milk, I buy the non-hormone milk. If they don’t have that, I buy what they have. I don’t decide to buy organic vegan free range orange juice instead.

  • Demosthenes

    “I am not voting for Clinton because I think she’ll be a horrible president.”

    She will make excellent picks for the courts, she will seek to raise the minimum wage, and she will try to improve the ACA. You think the Donald will do any of that? (And I’m not even mentioning the stark differences on social issues).

  • Demosthenes

    I don’t disagree.

  • emjayay

    Gore and Bush II were identical twin corporate whores too……

  • emjayay

    I agree with Bernie on his issues in general. But he has been saying the same things for decades. Hasn’t everyone seen the article from 1992 or whenever it was where other Congresspersons said he wasn’t a team player and always went on about the Big Bad Banks? His stuff is always on the simplistic side and then it was revealed in the Daily News interview that there really wasn’t much in the way of actual plans behind any of it. He said pretty much the same thing in every debate and every finger pointing shouty speech. This is all old news to most of us.

    More debates would have just made more thinking people get all of this and not vote for him. It seems to me that most of his supporters are young, inexperienced, and naïve. And the older ones are similarly a bit simple minded. And all of them looking for a Savior.

  • Don Chandler

    Back in the day, Bill Clinton promised that gays would be included in the military but under his eventual “don’t ask don’t tell” policy, gays could only be in the military if they effectively stayed in the closet. Was not good. Sure, eventually gays were included in the military. That is how promises start as an inkling or a rocky start. So having free tuition at two year schools isn’t as difficult as it seems. You don’t have to change the system much. You have pell grants and various programs anyways. The idea of free tuition is to produce an educated populace…and that can have benefits politically as well as socially and economically. Also, talking about raising the minimum wage is the best way to make it happen. It gets in a platform and it may happen even faster. Or maybe it’s a pipe dream…like marriage equality.

    It’s all good. You like Hillary. I know she will be okay too. But she often makes me wince. She’s the type of politician that says things like, “We’re going to win win win in November!!!” And you wonder who is we? Or why she has to say win three times. Or if indeed she can win once in November. It’s not because of Hillary that I will vote for her. It’s because of her opponent that I will vote for her. Hillary doesn’t excite. And like Michael Moore, I think Trump will win in November. That is doom and gloom for me.

    Getting rid of the Superdelegates (unbound delegates) is a smart thing in the internet age. The party that gets rid of them first will shed elitism and benefit the most. It’s going to happen. Hillary could do it now and I’d be very impressed by her doing the right thing and accomplishing something even before November. Clearly, folks still treasure the elite. But this time The Dems elite got caught red-handed promoting a candidate. What was the point of the primaries? Of course, it was to coronate the elite’s favorite. Trump is going to beat this rigged system into the minds of the voters. Amazing how he just simply reinvented the same party and presented it as new. His base is fanatic.

    Sorry for the rambling. I’m going to leave it alone. I’m hoping I’m wrong.

  • The system was unfair and biased, AND the Dems even said it was and have apologized. Would it have changed anything? Hard to say. You can certainly argue that it would have and you may be right or vice versa. We’ll never know. The party had their candidate picked years ago and were annoyed it was challenged. This has to have had an impact of some sort. People should be ticked and rightly so – if it were the other way around they’d be ticked.

  • Here we go again – the Dems always shift the blame. Own up to it – admit there was bias but say it wouldn’t have affected the outcome, because it likely wouldn’t have. But just stop pretending to be unbiased please. The more transparency the better.

  • I don’t get off on anything. The country has everything to lose with either Trump or Hillary.

  • I think that the Dems always cave on liberal issues and they’re sick of it. They’ve got strong convictions in my eyes.

  • If you can defend the indenfensible then you can trick yourself into believing that Hillary will be a good president. So, good on you!

  • They want us all to get on board and vote against our conscience or we’re not in the cool kids club – and they’ll mock us until we do. It’s all very HS.

  • No, if you didn’t want to vote Sanders I’d totally undersand. Vote with your conscience. We’d be in much better shape if we all did that. I am not voting for Clinton because I think she’ll be a horrible president – and I thought that in 08, so why would I have changed my mind? What did she do that would make me change it but run a disasterous run as SoS?

  • lilyhammer

    I’ve known about Tim Kaine for years and I love him. (I’ve even forgiven him for backing Obama in ’08.) He’s progressive and admirable and lovely to listen to. Maybe Hillary Clinton figured that’s the kind of person she needs to win in November and govern thereafter. Maybe she thinks it’s good to please people like me who voted for her.

    Whatever, she won. She is the nominee. If Bernie Sanders won and I refused to support him against Trump over a VP pick I found unwise or unpalatable, you’d probably find that stupid and unacceptable. Bernie holdouts think they’re right and they should get their way because of it. But everyone thinks they’re right. As Bernie himself pointed in his speech, Hillary Clinton adopted some of his positions in the platform, “making it, by far the most progressive” in Democratic history. Mature people understand to get more that, they have to win.

    Better luck next time.

  • lilyhammer

    I agree. One million percent. Except I feel even more strongly that we need superdelegates. They’ve done no harm at all. However, if a leftwing Trump ever does arise and the voters are temporarily dazzled, I want the party to be able to say loud and clear, “This is not who we are.” That way, the rest of America might give us a second chance.

    One more thing: it sits poorly with me to be lectured about superdelegates by a campaign that once floated the idea of overturning the pledged delegate result. And loves caucuses.

  • Baal

    Who are these people? I really wonder.

  • SEB DELSON

    You all don’t understand. There is a huge undercurrent of anti status quo and you are all sHtill talking about left and right. Hillary is the Goldman Sachs candidate and a lot of people would rather watch it burn than bail them out again. DNC is making a huge mistake. Trump will be President. The proletariat are pissed.

  • I’m glad DWS is gone. She should have been fired a couple of years ago. Not just for this but for a long string of poor performances on various media outlets and of course the disaster of the 2014 midterm elections. She’s a disaster and the party should have pushed her out long ago.

    Would more debates have really mattered? I hardly watched any of them. It’s 2016. You can find out whatever you want by googling. People didn’t know who Bernie Sanders was? Are you for real? O’Malley they didn’t know but Sanders has been well known for quite some time.

    I know this may be hard for you to accept, but a lot of us heard what Sanders said and it’s exactly why we did NOT vote for him. He made promises he couldn’t possibly keep. He’s very much like Trump in that regard. Free college tuition? Not gonna happen. I’m glad there was a primary and I think (and said this a year ago) that the worst thing that could have happened to Hillary would have been coasting to the nomination with no real challenger.

    More debates? I was already sick of the primaries by the middle of February. Everything they have to say is up on their websites. We all knew.

    And I’ll say it again, I think the DNC being so obviously preferential to Clinton hurt her rather than helped her. The tone of this election (like the last several) is anti-establishment and that reeked of establishment. It was stupid and clumsy but like everything else DWS is involved with, incompetent.

  • Don Chandler

    1) on this point, yeah, Wasserman was against Bernie early on. She protected Hillary from a heavy debate schedule…though you’d think it helped Bernie Sanders too. But he wanted more debates and he was denied a debate going into California. You of all people should dislike Wasserman due to the atheist issue. She wanted to out Bernie as an Atheist. I guess wasserman couldn’t leave it alone.

    2) I don’t agree but can leave it alone except to say that if people took Bernie more seriously early on, they might have had a chance to vote for him early on. Really, in the beginning, it was just Webb, O’Malley and Bernie challenging the given, Hillary. There weren’t any early debates…like there were in the GOP races. This would have given Bernie some exposure he really needed. His message was good but the mainstream media didn’t give him the attention he deserved. It really made a difference not having the stature of Hillary Clinton early on. One of the sensible proposals put forth was to make 2/3 of the super delegates bound proportionately by the vote. 1/3 would still be unbound. Could be used to break ties. John seems to think that the GOP is worse off cuz they didn’t have superdelegates but they do…called unbound delegates. It didn’t matter with Trump because he had a very fanatic base that scared the establishment. Ultimately, I don’t think John understands how strong Trump is as a candidate. He is very savvy. The GOP will love it if they win. They won’t be sorry.

    I’m glad you like the idea of getting rid of the superdelegates. It would really help Hillary in November to show she is a reformer. It really would.

    3) I have enough to deal with on 1 and 2. Thanks for the reply. California and New York are too late in the game. At least NY had a debate in the primaries.

  • I live in a deep red state. The only reason our governor can’t make life a living hell for lbgt people here is federal administration and the courts. A Trump will will make things unbearable for all kinds of minority people nationwide. I guess white people in blue states really don’t give a fuck about us and just pretend to when it’s convenient. It’s not like we didn’t know that already, but it’s a little horrifying to be confronted with this prospect.

  • Most Americans have no idea how any of this works and then want to throw a tantrum when they find out what they should have known but didn’t.

  • 1) Everyone always knew the DNC favored Clinton. That’s a surprise to no one. In fact knowledge of that probably helped Sanders since a lot of people resented that.

    2) If there were no superdelegates Clinton would have still gotten the nomination so what does that matter. I’m with you in wanting to get rid of them, but it wouldn’t have changed the outcome if they’d changed that rule before the primaries.

    3) While we’re at it, let’s get rid of the caucuses. What nonsense. Let’s just have a series of primaries in all the states and territories.

  • Don Chandler

    John, why do you want the superdelegate system so much? It just proves there are elites in a system that should be democratic. Trump is making incredible political progress due to his stance against the status quo or the ‘establishment”. Why can’t understand how it would help Hillary to reform the system before the end of the convention? Should she get elected, how will she be able to achieve anything without congressional help? She can’t even compromise with Bernie on the Superdelegate issue within her own party. She won’t be able to do anything with the republicans.

    You’re wrong about me being “just as ticked.” I wanted a fair system from the beginning. I now want Hillary but I want her to give Bernie a victory that isn’t pyrric…short of the nomination and short of the vice presidency. Just reform. Now that the elite have been caught cheating (being biased) you rail at the supporters and Bernie. You should be mad at Wasserman. Why aren’t you? Doesn’t it bother you that she wanted to find out if Bernie was an Atheist? She is pathetic. She is also elite. They are not better than the rest of us mortals.

    Early on in the primaries, Hillary was able to point to her advantages in superdelegates suggesting she was ahead. This was a huge advantage she didn’t deserve. I’ve read your other posts, John. They don’t address this point.

    Seriously, can’t you see how it would help Hillary to fix the system that is obviously corrupt? Trump hasn’t abolished the ‘unbound’ delegates of the GOP. This is Hillary’s last chance to get that message across and show Bernie respect.

  • True, it is PUMA all over again. And in the end, the PUMAs didn’t matter.

  • Hillary would have won anyway, and you guys would be just as ticked you didn’t win. Even Bernie admits that he didn’t lose because anyone cheated. And with what’s going on with the Republicans right now, maybe the superdelegates aren’t such a a bad idea — I bet the GOP wishes they had superdelegates right about now. I know I wish they did.

    Oh, and I failed to mention, the superdelegates played zero role in Hillary’s victory. She beat Sanders by several million votes, far more than Obama beat her by in 2008.

  • Don Chandler

    heimaey, the hillbots here are a bit crazy. They blame Bernie and his supporters for their own shortcomings…in this sense, they share a trait with the very stupid Trumpies.

  • Don Chandler

    Look, telling 61 year olds to grow up is unproductive. It’s also stupid. What I want is Hillary to win. The DNC didn’t tell Bernie to grow up after they got caught being grossly unfair. They apologized to Bernie. But what they should do is get rid of the Superdelegate system and make a more democratic system…you know, fairer and voter based…not elite based. Try to get out of your mentality and understand that we don’t want Trump. We want a fairer system and if Bernie held out for it, we’d all be better off. Trump did one thing that Hillary hasn’t done, defeat an establishment. It’s still a crooked establishment though. So If Hillary made the Dems a more representative system by jettisoning the Superdelegates by the end of the convention, she will really earn some respect as a reformer BEFORE november. You see, after November, she may not have a chance to do something productive…get it? Try to think about it. Work with Bernie, Hillary! Get rid of the problems in the system.

  • devlzadvocate

    I think it does when you start demanding shit. He isn’t the first person to run a good race at a big disadvantage. Damn. Ya know, sometiems you just LOSE! Get over it. Fuck. Stop acting like the children you were brought up as – expecting a reward everytime you work and achieve something. Take the achievement for what it is. Something to be proud of. For an insurgent who never felt it important to be a Democrat in the first place, he did great things, pulled people in and made it a race. Now it is done. Be an adult. It is not capitulating. It is just NOT your time. You can’t make it your time if it is NOT your time.

  • All the emails really show is that internal party politics, and the Democratic party delegate system itself, were created with the specific intent of denying a candidate like Sanders the nomination. If that surprises you at all, you haven’t really been paying attention anyway.

  • Don Chandler

    doesn’t matter when he joined the party. They welcomed him and many folks signed up to vote for Bernie. Otherwise, just coronate Hillary. Bernie captivated a lot of us progressives and ran a very close race at a huge disadvantage.

  • devlzadvocate

    “Sanders should insist the party . . . ” Bernie was always a proud Social Democrat and never a member of any party until he wanted to run for president. Interesting that we can’t get an answer to the question “Bernie, when exactly did you join the Democratic Party?’ I’m thinking that if one is insisting anything from any group to which they belong, they would be open about this information. HRC joined the Democratic Party shortly after the Republican Convention in 1968.

  • Don Chandler

    Don’t want this sort of thing to happen again? Get rid of super delegates and make the party democratic and for god’s sake, avoid biased DNC officials like wasserman, she was protecting Hillary early on. Sanders came from nowhere and won 12 million voters over and Hillary won only 16 million voters. This is especially close given Hillary was assured the nomination back in 2008 when she stepped aside from Obama’s certain victory…well, the GOP also knew of this assurance and has attacked Hillary 24/7 ever since. Hillary became a fat target of right wingers and now we are seeing the results of her attackers; Hillary isn’t trusted. I’m one of those 90% bernie supporters that will vote for Hillary but I’m not very enthusiastic. I just know she will be better than Trump. She’s a total bore and a candidate of yesteryear. We don’t get everything we want, especially in a system that is not fair. Sanders should insist that the party get rid of the Super delegates–it’s a no brainer and could help distinguish the GOP from the Dems starting Today.

  • Phil in FLL

    The spotlight tonight is not on the few Sanders supporters who are booing in the video. The spotlight tonight is on Bernie Sanders, particularly in light of Ted Cruz’s astonishing convention speech.

  • Demosthenes

    Vlad’s expertise in poisoning political opponents and hacking into DNC databases surely are unique and useful talents for the Vulgar Talking Yam™. What does Gov. Pence know? Governing a state? Being a member of Congress? Who cares!

  • Phil in FLL

    I’m shocked by Trump’s selection of Pence as his running mate. Shocked, I tell you! I thought surely Trump would chose Vladimir Putin as his running mate, if for no other reason, Vlad’s extensive foreign policy experience.

  • Phil in FLL

    It’s up to 90% now. I will spell it out l-e-t-t-e-r_b-y_l-e-t-t-e-r. Here is the headline from today’s Washington Post article:

    90 percent of unwavering Sanders supporters plan to vote for Clinton in November

    Here is the link:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/

    And now we have a video of those who represent 10% of Sanders supporters booing Hillary. In November, that isn’t even going to be as high of a percentage as the “PUMA” Hillary supporters who voted for McCain. No numbers. Just big mouths.

  • Bill_Perdue
  • devlzadvocate

    Sanders’ supporters aren’t crazy. Intent on revenge seems more likely. Their complaints are that Hillary didn’t adopt this or that plank of Bernie’s, she shitfed center, she selected a VP that didn’t reflect Bernie’s positions, she didn’t release transcripts, she doesn’t pee standing up and most of all she isn’t Bernie Sanders! Hey, Bernbots, get down off the cross, someone else needs the wood to crucify Trump. I heard a Sanders protest leader today say she would rather see Trump win than Clinton, however she would vote for Stein. I take that to mean she sees Stein closer to Trump’s positions. After having worked several presidential elections, I have never seen a group of vengeful people as Bernbots. Trump’s zombies are just uninformed. Bernie’s are just unbeliveably viscious and have been prior to any email issues.

  • emjayay

    Oddly, I don’t remember that. I do remember the pointless totally mismanaged Iraq war being a project sold to Congress and the public based on an orchestrated campaign of lies.

  • emjayay

    Hope you get off on that.

  • emjayay

    A couple of people among 200 staffers, after he was already toast and to an actual Democrat functionary was beginning to look like a party negative with his blanket condemnations of Democratic politics and Hillary Clinton. Has no one ever worked in an office or with a bunch of other people?

  • Demosthenes

    I don’t defend the e mails. I also know the release of the e mails are an attempt to influence our election and throw it to the Donald. Regarding the hacking, please go to talkingpointsmemo.com for in depth reporting on why the assumption the hacking was done by the Russians is better than a guess — as the FBI knows.

  • Demosthenes

    I’m no fan of Ms. Clinton. I support her to defeat the Donald and to nominate qualified justices to the Supreme Court. The Donald is temperamentally unsuited to be president, is an open racists, a fan of authoritarian thugs, and a know nothing demagogue. He is a mortal danger to the Republic that we all love.

  • Perhaps! She’s not making it easy!

  • No proof of Putin – and either way it’s no good. The emails show they had it out for him and that goes against DNC rules. Sure they can have those opinions but they strategized about how to take him down. Not sure how anyone can defend that.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Which is why I will vote for Hillary. Trump is just two scary, and until last week, I intended to vote third party. I hate voting for the lesser of two evils.

  • Demosthenes

    Trump ally Vlad Putin’s illegal hacking of the DNC proves nothing of the kind. The e mails reveal private opinions.

  • Demosthenes

    If it is at all close, please keep an open mind.

  • Yeah I’m in a solid blue state, I would consider holding my nose otherwise but not anymore. I’m free to vote my conscience.

  • Demosthenes

    If your state is a solid “blue” state, it won’t matter. If it is at all in contention, your vote for well-known vaccer crank Stein is effectively supporting the Vulgar Talking Yam™.

  • I don’t want Trump to win, but Hillary pretty much gave me the go-ahead to vote for Jill Stein with her VP pick and her shifting center again. I’m guessing she doesn’t need us – I hope that gamble pays off or she may regret not having extended an olive branch.

  • I’m not sure how you can call Sanders’ supporters crazy when Wikileaks proved that DWS and the DNC tried to sabatoge his entire campaign.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Democrats, in particular HRH HRC, are enemies of people of color, especially Palestinians, and Arabs and has a long history of rabid racism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uWu0nSsg7w

    She conducted a racist campaign against Obama. “Hillary Struggles Against Sexism But Regularly Plays Race Card – In the face of raw, media-driven misogyny, Clinton resorts to playing the race card and loses some women’s support in the process. “Yet what is most troubling is that the Clinton campaign has used her rival’s race against him. In the name of demonstrating her superior “electability,” she and her surrogates have invoked the racist and sexist playbook of the right… seeking to define Obama as too black, too foreign, too different to be President… the Clinton campaign’s use of this strategy has many non-white and non-mainstream feminists crying foul. … the statement was widely read as chalking up Obama’s win to his blackness alone and thus attempting to marginalize him as a doomed minority candidate with limited appeal. Obama was now “the black candidate,” in the words of one Clinton strategist quoted by the AP.” http://www.thenation.com/article/race-bottom-0

    The racist theme begun by Bill Clinton in South Carolina was doubled down in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, this time by Hillary Clinton. USA Today 05 08 2008 “Clinton: Obama Not Winning Over “Hard-Working Americans, White Americans” “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/clinton-obama-not-winning_n_100763.html

    “Hillary Struggles Against Sexism But Regularly Plays Race Card – In the face of raw, media-driven misogyny, Clinton resorts to playing the race card and loses some women’s support in the process. “Yet what is most troubling is that the Clinton campaign has used her rival’s race against him. In the name of demonstrating her superior “electability,” she and her surrogates have invoked the racist and sexist playbook of the right… seeking to define Obama as too black, too foreign, too different to be President… the Clinton campaign’s use of this strategy has many non-white and non-mainstream feminists crying foul. … the statement was widely read as chalking up Obama’s win to his blackness alone and thus attempting to marginalize him as a doomed minority candidate with limited appeal. Obama was now “the black candidate,” in the words of one Clinton strategist quoted by the AP.” http://www.thenation.com/article/race-bottom-0

    The racist theme begun by Bill Clinton in South Carolina was doubled down in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, this time by Hillary Clinton. USA Today 05 08 2008 “Clinton: Obama Not Winning Over “Hard-Working Americans, White Americans” “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/clinton-obama-not-winning_n_100763.html

    Black Agenda Reports says: Why ask what lies in Hillary Clinton’s heart? She has already shown the world that she loves war and bankers. When #BlackLivesMatter activists inquired of her inner feelings, Clinton lectured them “about what she believed was their flawed strategy” and “told them to change laws and policies, not minds.” Clinton’s record is clear: “Her racist and anti-working class policies have ruined countless lives.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/category/who-dat/hillary-clinton

  • Voodoo Chile

    I argue that it’s an even more potent form of white privilege that allows one to ignore a past history of voting for and starting wars and coups against brown people. I lost count of how many times that privileged white people told liberals to “get over” the deaths of hundreds of thousands of arabs.

  • Demosthenes

    Hillary Clinton isn’t perfect. In fact, she is most decidedly imperfect. Only the most shallow, entitled, purportedly Sanders supporter purists think it’s better to elect the Donald than Ms. Clinton.

  • NameCantBeBlank

    Won’t happen. This is their “moment” to shine brightly. They won’t pass it up. I mean, what else would they be able to post on Instagram this week????

  • NameCantBeBlank

    When white privilege allows you to “vote your conscience” at possibly the expense of POC, LBGTQ, and other minorities, then maybe you’re not as progressive as you think you are. The purity pony hissy fits are counterproductive to advancing a progressive agenda – short-term and long-term. You want to get out of life pure? Then you can’t be part of democracy. Plain and simple. It’s messy. That’s life. Can you imagine if MLK and others threw a hissy fit every time they didn’t get what they wanted? Millions would still be disenfranchised to this day. And most #BernieBros haven’t had to fight for one right in their lives. Not. One.

    And exactly how do the purity ponies think SCOTUS works? The Senate is going to wait for the next POTUS to confirm one. You can’t take that back. That’s a lifetime appointment. Do you really want a sexist, misogynistic, egotistical, maniacal, hypocritical bigot with the self-control and IQ of a farm animal making that selection? Notorious RBG isn’t going to live forever. That could be two appointments for a demagogue. That should give any sane, rational, and reasonable person pause.

    And if you want purity in life, may I suggest becoming a drug dealer? You can test for purity of your “product” at any stage of the game. And it pays well. Or so I hear….

  • Jimmy

    I hope people get this shit out of their system before the cameras come on. It would be nice if our convention could be the polar opposite of the GOP convention. Save the childish boos for Trump and his ilk if you must boo.

  • And that’s the thing. I can easily see how people may not love Hillary. I happen to have a lot of respect for her, having followed her career since the early 1990s. But I get it. But after everything we’ve learned about Trump, Hillary would have to say the following to be equal to Trump:

    Deport all gays.
    Dismantle social security, medicare and medicaid.
    End AIDS funding.
    Repeal the civil rights act.

    That’s what she’d have to do to be akin to Trump at this point. There’s no contest.

  • Blah blah blah. Sanders walked on water until now. You can’t now undo that part of the Frankenstein monster either. If he was an infallible god four weeks ago, then he’s a god today.

    If you want to Trump to be even worse than George Bush was in the 2000s — that was the first time we got sold this bill of goods that the dem (Gore) was the same as the Republican (bush); and it was a horrible lie — then you can take responsibility when Trump destroys everything you claim to care about.

    I for one am not so willing to kiss the LGBT community, women, muslims, latinos, blacks and everyone else good bye.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Sanders doesn’t control the people who supported him, they have an independent voice and given the latest HRH HRC/Watergate revelations, it’s an open question how many of them will ask themselves to be thrown into the sewer and end supporting the Democrats, the centrist wing of the Republican Party.

  • FuzzyRabbit

    Yes. Hillary’s ties to Wall Street concern me a little. But Trump’s ties to crazy and his violent racist supporters concern me a lot.

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