Team Sanders now demanding Hillary win 59% of pledged delegates

Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, suggested this past week that Sanders will contest the Democratic nomination at the convention in July even if Hillary wins the nomination before that date.

Talking to CNN, Weaver suggested that if Hillary doesn’t win the nomination with pledged delegates alone — the delegates you win in the state primaries and caucuses — Sanders will effectively declare a civil war at the Democrat convention this summer.

When asked about this plan to disrupt the Democratic convention, Sanders refused to repudiate the idea.

Sanders is basing this ploy on the fact that superdelegates don’t get to vote until the convention. So until they vote, Sanders argues, their vote doesn’t count — even if we know already how they’re going to vote. So, Sanders says, there’s no way to know if Hillary will actually win the nomination until the convention, unless she wins the necessary 2,383 delegates with pledged delegates alone.

Just a quick refresher. You have to win 2,383 delegates (pledged and super combined) in order to win the Democratic nomination. There are 4,765 delegates in total, with 712 of those being superdelegates. Team Sanders is now arguing that unless Hillary gets 2,383 pledged delegates before the nomination, he’s going to contest her nomination at the convention.

Traditionally, candidates do not wait until the convention to “prove” how many superdelegates they have. In 2008, Hillary Clinton conceded to Barack Obama two-and-a-half months before the Democratic convention. (The convention started on August 25, Hillary conceded on June 7.)

This year, the Democratic convention starts on July 25. Two-and-a-half months before that date is May 7. That would give Sanders three-and-a-half weeks to catch up on Clinton’s delegate lead. Remember, Hillary’s 2008 delegate count was much closer to Obama’s than Sanders’ delegate count is to Hillary’s today.

As for why Sanders is holding out hope of disrupting the Democratic convention? Because his plan is to steal Hillary’s superdelegates. Sanders’ staff has admitted this plan repeatedly, and at this point we might as well take them at their word. And in fact, Sanders supporters have already launched a Web site with a “hit list” of the superdelegates phone numbers and even some home addresses to “harass” (their word) Hillary’s superdelegates into supporting Sanders.

So what Sanders is in essence now doing is arguing that Hillary no longer needs a majority of the delegates to win the nomination, Hillary now needs a supermajority of the pledged delegates. Sanders now says that Hillary needs to have 2,383 pledged delegates in order to stop him from contesting the convention. But there are only 4,051 pledged delegates, so a simple majority of those would be 2,026 — not the 2,383 Sanders now says Hillary needs. 2,383 of 4,051 is 59%.

Sanders is now requiring Hillary to win 59% of the pledged delegates in order to win the nomination. That’s absurd.

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  • Maurice Frediere™

    Where do the rules state that you need 2,383 pledged delegates to win the nomination?

  • Kick Frenzy

    The claim is that he paid one person a lot of money.

    The reality is that he paid a media firm to handle media issues.

  • Kick Frenzy

    If you think Bernie just yells slogans, you haven’t been to one of his rallies or watched any of them past a few clips.
    Bernie is smart and has a history of respect and being well known for being able to work across both aisles in Congress.

    And if superdelegates are most concerned with defeating Trump, you may be surprised at how many would be willing to switch to Bernie by the time the convention rolls around.

  • Ryan McCauley

    There is such a thing as too much democracy, and the parties have the right to structure a process to choose the best candidate, thus limiting populist candidates. Caucuses were originally created as safeguards so that only the most committed democrats would be able to vote, but in this election cycle they have favored Bernie since he has a large contingent of college age supporters who can participate in a 5 hour process. His complaints are opportunistic.

  • karen

    What’s the difference!

  • geenak

    The point is that super delegates should really have a better representation of how people voted. And he could still technically win but the chances are getting slimmer :)

  • karen

    I remember! They did not care because they said those states only vote Repub anyway. Now he is winning very white states with small delegates and solid repub.

  • karen

    And we have done the math in that scenario and he loses. We probably should do winner take all and considering that he won mostly small states other than Washinton, you know how he would do here. Even in OH, he sued the state to allow 17 year olds to vote and that made no difference.

  • karen

    So let me understand. What is going to happen at the convention that has not already happened that will sway the super delegates? He has been trying to make the case for so long. They are not switching. Sanders is not a smart person. He insults the Democrats and they turn around and ask them to vote for him. Part of the reason he is in this race still is because he does not feel the votes earned by HC in the deep south should be taken into consideration because they generally vote REPUB. He is forgetting that most of the states he won are not delegate rich states and are SOLID REPUB!

  • karen

    No one wants welfare….decent citizens want opportunity through education and skills so that they can provide for their family. There are some people who will be poor and need social net based on varying reasons but the majority of us want to work or own businesses to support our families.

  • karen

    And this is exactly why they will not switch to Bernie. Super delegates realized last time that black people would vote in droves for BO over HC and that’s why they were able to switch. Also, Bernie is no Barack. Unlike BS, BO is very intelligent and can answer and understand many complexed issues. Bernie goes on stage every night and just yell slogans

  • karen

    And let me also add that the reason for the number 2383 is because they factor in super delegates. Without Super delegates the goal post would look something like 2026. Any scenario that is used will not elect BS. I watched his CA recently and when he appears on stage people are screaming and cheering as if they are at a MJ concert and he is ever blushing. He loves the attention that these uninformed youngsters give him. Plus they love crowd.

  • karen

    Thank you so much…I have been trying to tell this to people for so long now. There are no true independents…..these are republicans who are helping Bernie to get elected. It is a democratic primary. Why should independents dictate the outcome. BO did not win independents nor whites.

  • karen

    If you have leverage….use it. And no one is saying that Sanders should not try to get something out of the DNC but this is not the way. BO needed HC’s voters and so she used her leverage to get him to pay off her campaign debt. If you are no longer in the race, then you barely get donations to pay off your debt.

  • karen

    And here is why I do not trust Sanders….he was against super delegates but now he wants them. He keeps looking at the polls to say that he fears better against Sanders that HC. I also blame people like Van Jones who continuously go on CNN and criticize the democratic party. Their job is to elevate the party but I don’t see him doing that. I don’t see Rebubs playing the referee game.

  • geenak

    From what I’ve read, no primary election has ever been decided by superdelegates. Obama did not win the democratic primary due to superdelegates. And Sanders won 42% of Ohio, which I would expect to mean he’d get approximately 42% of the superdelegates if it was a fair system.

  • karen

    He became a democrat a year ago! If you look up his record, he has been lashing out at democrats and republicans. Referring to the 2 parties as twidly dee and twidly dum! The reason democrats and HC are not talking about it is because they are afraid of the back lash. But Repubs and not saying it because they want him to win the nomination first.

  • karen

    Remember that super delegates are also people and are also allowed to vote for the candidate of their choosing. Nina Turner is voting for Sanders and he is not asking her to give up her vote considering HC won the state of OH. I have a problem with what Sanders is doing. The rules did not exist just yesterday, they elected Barack Obama!

  • karen

    Makes perfect sense to me!

  • karen

    I find him to be so annoying. He is using his socialist movement to hold DEMS to ramson. He is so dishonest. Who does he think he is to suggest that he can just join a party in 1 year and dictate the rules?

  • Bruce Lacey

    Lmao ..Its not absurd…that is what the rules state…jesus, rules only apply when you want them too?

  • karen

    If Trump beats HC….Bernie will be the douche who caused it. Actually that is what he is doing. He is tearing her down so much that it is near impossible to win….but we would rather lose with a true democratic than give that socialist BS the nomination. If she loses, which I doubt, it will be Bernie’s fault!

  • karen

    The rules have always been there….no one complained when the same rules elected BO. He has a better number against Trump because he has not been vetted. He has always railed against Democrats and Repubs. Why did he not run as an Independent in the first place? He is an opportunist who used the democratic party to get air time.

  • karen

    Why is he arguing for proportional distribution of the delegates after the fact? Why did he not ask for rules to be changed before entering the race? He did not compete well in the early states and that has cost him the race. He did not do so because he thought that having a few well known wackos like Cornel West and Nina Turner that black people will suddenly flock to him. This is a movement without purpose. THe whole world is laughing at us. These young people are supposed to be the future of the USA and they think with their emotions. What a shame! Bernie just loves the attention he gets from these uninformed youngsters.

  • karen

    I thought he did not agree with and thought the Super delegate rule should be abolished. Now suddenly he wants to have their vote?? BS has been so disappointing. This is not about a movement, this is desperation to be POTUS. Where has he been all these years?

  • karen

    You need to look at this in proper context. If Superdelegates were not included…the requirement in terms of pledged delegates would be 2026 no 2383. Sanders wants the rule to be adjusted anyway it suits him. I could understand if he was crying for this change before he entered the race…but he never did. He cannot win the general election, no matter how his poll numbers look against Trump. Isn’t it weird that the polls keep saying that he fears better with Trump and yet the GOP has not attacked him? That’s because they know he cannot win. There’s a lot of stuff out there about Bernie but HC won’t use it because of fear of alienating the BS supporters. He has never been a democratic. He is only using the democratic nomination process to further his warped agenda.

  • Sol

    To be more clear about where you went wrong, el douche, the number to hit with a majority of pledged delegates is 2026, not the full 2383. You would then need half of all superdelegates to reach the 2383. However, nothing stops you from winning with a combination or just by pure pledged delegates. The way that it happened in 2008 is the same way it’ll happen this year. But in no case does a person have to win 2383 with only pledged delegates to get the nomination. Therefore, the 59% is completely incorrect, and you are wrong. Sanders did not iterate the rules correctly.

    I appreciate you inviting me to read more, but it seems as though you are the one who may want to brush up.

  • Sol

    No. The convention happens either way. Someone who gets a majority of the overall delegates is the presumptive nominee. The first call of the vote at the convention usually establishes that, barring some kind of mass superdelegate switch, which has never happened to a leader in pledged delegates, as far as I understand.

  • ericasoul

    Makes perfect sense to me.

  • ericasoul

    Really? Where did you get your information from? You are WRONG! A simple majority is all that is needed to win the nomination, and that means pledged AND super delegates are INCLUDED in the simple majority.

  • ericasoul

    All she needs is the “pledged AND super delegate count” to reach the number needed to win the nomination, not only the pledged delegates. Bernie is trying to re-write the rules because he is losing. Socialist Bernie and his manager are plotting to steal Hillary’s S.D. at the convention. It won’t work. Pathetic!

  • ericasoul

    Sanders is a desperate old guy who doesn’t like to play by the rules if they don’t favor him. So what does this Socialist plan to do….try his darndest to steal Hillary’s super delegates even AFTER she reaches the magic number by or before the convention! That’s pretty low, and it’s not going to work.
    Bernie, go back to the Senate, if they’ll have you. The S.D. have already made their choice and it’s not you.

  • MargaretEDavis

    Who in the devil is Sanders to DEMAND anything . He is beyond Hillary by 3+million votes or more, he is beyond Trump does being behind means you are winning how come Trump is the presumed candidate. By the way Hillary has more delegates than you,. STDU

  • onyx24

    He really only need to win 65% of the remaining delegates. He’s polling at 71% in Oregon. Then if the superdelegates vote according to the pledged delegate results he wins. I think you’re the delusional douche.

    You’ll probably get your way, but its not over until its over and a Bernie win is still possible. BTW a vote for Hillary is vote for Trump in the end since her chances of beatting Trump are less that Bernies chances. Who will be the douche if that happens? The smart choice is Bernie.

  • onyx24

    Grow up! If, when the superdelegates vote, Bernie wins, he wins. They haven’t voted yet. There’s a slim chance enough will vote for him, but is still possible. That’s how democracy works!

  • mike schwarzer

    It’s all about word craft – super slimy article and no media integrity – WHATS NEW.

  • jgmitzen

    No, Sanders he suggested he will steal the nomination. The voting public has chosen a nominee – Hillary Clinton.

  • jgmitzen

    Maine’s super delegates will vote however they damn well please because they are not pledged so no one can tell them how to vote. Maine’s stunt was initiated by Bernie Bros who shouted down anyone who opposed them and this thing was passed to get them to shut up and stop screaming at people. It has no legality or power whatsoever.

    The primary has been won. Bernie can’t win. It’s absurd to continue pretending that super delegates aren’t real. As soon as Hillary has enough pledged plus super delegates to win, IT IS OVER.

  • jgmitzen

    No, winning 50%+ of total delegates, not 59% of pledged delegates. Obama didn’t do that in 2008.

  • Dodgson

    Ok, so I posted those about a month ago but no I am not. I don’t think my comment section is protected so you can feel free to go look at past comments I’ve made. I support Hillary because I like her, I don’t understand how people could think that she hasn’t been progressive her whole life. Agree with me or not, but you don’t have to start conspiracy theories.

  • SWS

    No, the primaries are not over, but every reputable news outlet will tell you that there is no math that would grant Sanders the nomination. Sanders said that he should get all the supedelegates if he wins 70% of the vote in a primary, but if you applied that logic Clinton would have won over a week ago. Both Sanders and Clinton agreed to the terms of the primaries and because he is losing Sanders is now complaining. Hillary just won Guam, Northern Mariana Islands and America Samoa. Sanders would need to win 80% of the remaining states whereas Clinton needs only to win 20% for the nomination. She will be the nominee, Sanders will lose. 66% of Sanders own supporters said they are unwilling to pay $1000 or more in taxes to fund his “revolution”. Clinton has 3 million more votes and has more delegates than Obama had at this same time in 2008. Clinton also has a larger lead over Sanders at this same time than Obama had over Clinton in 2008. People need to face the facts and focus on beating Donald Trump. Sanders, the career politician, belongs in the Senate… or perhaps he will be Vice President, but he will never be president of the United States.

  • SWS

    And you are a delusional douche bag.

  • timncguy

    The rule has NEVER been 59% of the pledged delegates. The goal is now and always has been 50% +1 of all the delegates, pledged and super. That’s what 2,383 is. It is a majority of pledged and super delegates combined. The issue here is that the Sanders campaign doesn’t believe that is is allowable for the super delegates to announce their support prior to the convention. And, that has never been a rule either. Iti s perfectly acceptable for super delegates to announce their preference at any time during the process.

  • NikolaiG

    What Bernie is saying is accurate, and it’s the rules. The author is either ignorant or pretending to be.

  • NikolaiG

    The goal post is, and always has been, 59%. That’s the rule. 2,383 delegates. This article was written either by an ignorant author or someone who intentionally pretended Bernie was saying something unusual.

  • NikolaiG

    How about votes of people who have actually met and dealt with Bernie, like over 86% of Vermont.

  • NikolaiG

    If you mean trading political favors for Clinton Foundation donations, then yes, she has accomplished much more!

  • NikolaiG

    NEWSFLASH. WINNING 59% HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE RULE!!!!! What a stupid article.

  • NikolaiG

    He’s not trying to change the rules. The rules state you need 2,383 to win. He’s simply continuing to run because the race is not yet won.

  • Ty Morgan

    And that was part of the democratic process that Sanders saw fit to opportunistically join thinking he’d circumvent the rules: rules HIS OWN CAMPAIGN MANAGER help put in place.

  • NikolaiG

    I’m sure, Alegna, I’m sure. Nice try. Now go collect your check from “Correct the Record.”

  • NikolaiG

    Thumbs up to you!

  • NikolaiG

    They’re paid by “Correct The Record” to be unhinged.

  • NikolaiG

    Right. He has 7% of the superdelegates but 45% of the vote. Who’s the thief???

  • NikolaiG

    You’re talking about Hillary right? Because her supporters are the ones complaining about the rules and demanding nomination before the contest is over.

  • Ty Morgan

    You mean that same Democratic Party that Sanders cut a deal with in order to get their support financially ?

  • NikolaiG

    Well, I can tell you that we don’t appreciate trolls like you paid for by Hillary’s “Correct The Record” $1M troll fund. We don’t appreciate your kind spamming Bernie support sites with porn to get them taken down. We don’t appreciate your long trolling tweets insulting Bernie’s wife. https://pivotamerica.com/ironically-jane-sanders-attacked-hillary-supporters-manner-sexist-comments/ It is clearly Hillary supporters who are full of vitriol, hate, and lies. But thank you for trying.

  • NikolaiG

    He’s not talking about changing the process. You have it backwards. It is the author who is aghast at the process. The rules require 2,383 pledged delegates to win. Did you not know this or what?

  • NikolaiG

    Dogson, are you a paid “Correct The Record” Hillary troll? Just wondering.

  • NikolaiG

    Yeah right. Bernie is supposed to abandon our troops by cutting off funds after a war has begun. Next thing you’ll criticize him for supporting veterans’ rights.

  • NikolaiG

    He hasn’t bullied anyone. He is more of a Democrat than Hillary the stealth Republican, and it is Hillary who race baits, just watch her against Obama in 2008. Bernie’s most ardent and best supporters, most vocal, are minorities from Killer Mike to Rosario Dawson, and women as well, such as Susan Sarandon. Your accusations are ridiculous.

  • NikolaiG

    You want me to explain the path forward? It’s really quite simple. He has to win the remaining states with an average of 65% of the vote. Thus far his average win has been by 65.5%, so while it is an uphill battle, it is realistic. If he achieves this he will have 2,026 delegates when the convention begins, and Hillary will have 2,025. Then both will make their case to the convention. Bernie’s case will include the fact that independents in open primaries have vote for him 2-to-1, which means that of the 12 remaining states where independents were not permitted to vote, those independents (and there are millions of them) will also likely favor Bernie and thus Bernie will be stronger against Trump than Hillary. Really quite simple. This strategy takes into account the reality that super delegates do not pledge until the convention and historically super delegates have never gone against the popular vote.

  • NikolaiG

    What are you even talking about? The rule is that you need 2,383 delegates. Neither yet has that number. In fact, neither will before the convention. So the contest continues. That’s as it should be.

  • NikolaiG

    It is Hillary who is not a true Democrat. Her values are Republican values, and her fundraising is now even turning to Republicans. SHE should be kicked out of the party. Talk about a parasite!

  • NikolaiG

    What allegation? Usually when people attack Bernie they at least have some weird lie or spin cooked up. But you’re not even saying anything.

  • NikolaiG

    Shoot4thmoon. What are you talking about? The rule is 2,383. Bernie did not make that rule. Neither candidate will achieve that prior to the convention, so each has to try for 2,026, which would be a majority of outstanding non-super delegates. Hillary agreed to stop the count in 2008 only on the condition that Obama help her pay off the debt she got into during her campaign. There was nothing magnanimous about it. It was purely a mercenary strategy. She held her campaign as a hostage against Obama to leverage it and get $ out of him. That is NOT magnanimous. And you are right Bernie would never do that because (1) he has plenty of money in his campaign fund and (2) he is not a calculating jerk like Hillary.

  • NikolaiG

    What are you talking about? He’s the one insisting on the rules and the author is the one complaining about them.

  • NikolaiG

    Yeah she’s a successful reformer. She helped her husband gut welfare.

  • NikolaiG

    Sanders did more good for the American people in any random year on Congress than Hillary has in her entire career.

  • NikolaiG

    59% is the rule. Sanders didn’t make the rule.

  • NikolaiG

    Actually Sanders is referring to the rules and the author of this article is the one complaining about them. 59% is 2,383 and that’s the rule.

  • NikolaiG

    Sanders has the vote of young women by a huge margin and won the most diverse state in the nation, Hawaii. He has tons of people of color as supporters. The color gap has almost vanished between him and Hillary. He represents the true values of Democrats prior to the ‘new democrat’ crap Bill Clinton brought into the White House which was just basically caving in to a Republican agenda.

  • NikolaiG

    They need to take them from Hillary and require her to run as the Republican she truly is. Heck not only is her platform Republican in values, now she’s even asking for donations from Bush supporters!

  • NikolaiG

    Hilarious. Hillary is not the nominee. If Bernie wins the remaining states by 65% average (his average win thus for is by 65.5%) then he will be the nominee. Hillary is ahead, but she has not won.

  • NikolaiG

    He doesn’t need 972. He only has to get to 2026 before the convention, so does Clinton. 2,383 is not happening prior to the convention for either candidate.

  • NikolaiG

    With Democratic Parties like the one we’ve got now, who needs Republicans. Thank goodness for Bernie Sanders!

  • NikolaiG

    He has the support of lots of women and Hillary’s lead with the black vote have all but vanished according to polls as the black community has gotten to know Bernie. My wife, a Bernie supporter, is both black and a woman, and she knows many like her. Hillary supporters are the worst trolls of all, spamming Bernie sites with porn to get them taken down, and generating twitter feeds like this attacking Bernie’s wife.
    https://pivotamerica.com/ironically-jane-sanders-attacked-hillary-supporters-manner-sexist-comments/

  • NikolaiG

    Hilarious. Hillary was in debt due to her campaign. She agreed not to take it to the convention only on the condition that Obama help her pay off her debt. There is no class in leveraging your campaign to squeeze money out of your competitor.

  • NikolaiG

    Not sure what you’re talking about. You lost respect for Bernie Sanders because he’s suggesting the super delegates commit based upon the popular vote, so that Bernie has 45% of them rather than 7%? Yeah totally impossible to respect. Imagine that, insisting a primary have a democratic outcome.

  • NikolaiG

    Yeah you see. We were all taught about this little thing in school called democracy.

  • NikolaiG

    What the hell are you talking about? You’re not making any sense.

  • NikolaiG

    The primaries are not over. I love the way Hillary supporters talk about the race as if it’s done. Bernie ultimately won Nevada. NY is examining the shenanigans there, and several states including the whale of them all, California, have not voted yet. Right now Bernie is arguing for proportional distribution of superdelegates. There is no reason with 45% of the vote he should have only 7% of the superdelegates. Stating their preference before the raced even started de-legitimizes the party and helps no one but Republicans.

  • NikolaiG

    What a weird article. Maine’s superdelegates have already been instructed to vote per the popular vote. The others will without being told if history is any indicator. Superdelegates have never gone against the popular vote and, in addition, the DNC has instructed the media stop talking about them as if they are already pledged. The whole idea that they are already committed is fiction. The media is using the superdelegates as a way to spin the primary as if it’s already been won. It’s just absurd.

  • el douche

    U fascist turd. What u identify with ole grandma hillhawks dusty vag? U should be muzzled and change parties. Moron

  • el douche

    Hahhaha youre a pretty sad person.

  • el douche

    No the rules are if u dont hit the target with pledged before convention than there has to be a convention which is only when superdelegates votes are official. Thats the rules. Sanders never said hit 59%…the writer did. What sanders did was simply reiterate the actual dnc rules: ‘x’ delegate target by ‘x’ time or else convention is called to determine final vote of all pledged and the unpledged superdelegates. You might want to read more than the above. Go wiki it. Thats literally the rules so the dnc implicitly has already framed the delegate system and process as 59%. Thats absurd but its the dnc own absurdity. Whats absurd is twisting things around and not pointing out that absurdity. Morons.

  • el douche

    Every poll shows he does indeed have the popular vote: nationally against hillary and polling better against repubs. Period. He doesnt have the “popular” vote because many states had rules that made it impossible for independents or republicans to vote without registering as democrat as far back as a year ago. Young people cant vote or werent registered. Hillary only wins concentrated votes in dense areas. Sanders literally won every county in ny but hillary won major votes in manhattan and bronx. So two burroughs decided that popular vote–not multiple countues in unison. She wins big denser populations because there are more rich people that live in cities and bluedogs but if u looked at the map sanders is winning more counties and different constituencies that matter more in the grneral since smaller pop areas tend to vote repub. Hes winning in swing states. She won landslides in the south because of blacks voting against their own interests for no explicable reason, in which red states she wont win in general yet these pointless landslides gave her bigger lead. People are only finding they like bern now that wouldve voted for him in primaries but would now in general. Hes raised more money from individual donors. Hes won nearly 20 states and will continue to win more. He has higher numbers with the youth and independents, two groups that werent elligible to vote or werent registered card carrying democrars and these two groups are they key to winning the general and future elections to come. He is strategically better and polls show hes more favourable and is rated higher than clinton. Its pretty obvious hes the winner and better choice despite mathematical and elitist cgerry picked snap shot of defining the “popular” vote. She will win. But shes a loser.

  • el douche

    Lame article. Someones clearly butthurt and has a hard on for ole grandma hillhawk. How dare sanders suggest that the voting public choose the nominee. How dare sanders critique an elitist unnecessary superdrlegare system that no modern democracy even has including the repubs. How dare he suggest that superdelegates can be persauded to change vote, and say that superdelegates votes only are official at convention just as the dnc rules since the 1980s has created. How dare sanders use the established delegate target number that the dnc created as the target. How dare sanders suggest that voting be above 55% when every bill passed by the senate needs 60/40 votes. Its like hes just making up stuff as he goes along. Yep. Absurd.

  • Kick Frenzy

    First, yes, that is how it works with superdelegates.
    The majority was with Hillary in 2008, but then switched to Obama by the end.
    That’s why they don’t vote until the convention, so they can have the most time possible to see how the candidates perform.
    Right now, smart money says Bernie would win against Trump by a wider margin than Hillary… so it’s not inconceivable that they would consider flipping if he gets enough delegates for them to see him as viable.

    Bernie has also worked for years to raise money for Democrats.
    Also, the money he raised stayed with them, he didn’t get 99% of it back from the states by way of donations to a “victory fund”.

    A true Democrat isn’t afraid to speak their mind.
    I consider myself a Democrat and I agree with Bernie, I think the superdelegate system is messed up.

    As for the tax returns, could you also get them out to the public in 5 minutes if you were several states away from your home?

    Finally, while Hillary may have been a private citizen, she most assuredly knew she was going to run for president a few years later.
    You have to know that would’ve been no secret to anyone she was making those speeches for.
    Bernie isn’t asking because he wants to know, he’s asking because we want to know.

  • Martha Ray

    Well, let’s look at the real numbers. Not including superdelegates Sanders will need 972 pledged delegates to get to 2383. Clinton will need 682 pledged delegates to reach the magic number. Since there are only 859 delegates available to the end of the primary season, it’s unlikely that either candidate, and certainly impossible for Sanders, to get to the 2383 number without superdelegates. And since Bernie only has 40 some supers, now he’s saying he wants the supers that have pledged their support to Clinton. Does he really think this is how it works? For years and years and years Hillary Clinton has worked within the Democratic party to help get other democrats elected. Even during this campaign against the Bern she has helped to raise money for the down ballot elections. What about the Bern? He has been a lifelong Independent Socialist, only becoming a Democrat for the purpose of running for president. He has not, even though the pledged he would, done anything to help down ballot elections except for 3 specific people. He is not, and has never been, a true Democrat. So to now say he doesn’t like the way the democratic national committee has set up the election process is pure crap. I used to like him. Used to have respect for him. Now I can hardly stand to look at him or hear his voice. He reminds me too much of Donald Trump with his incessant whining about everything. And Jane? Well, I think the idea of being First Lady has really gone to both their heads and hers in particular. She has been caught in lies right on the TV screen. And where are their tax returns? I can put my fingers on MY tax returns in about 5 minutes all the way back to 2004. What are they hiding? As for the speeches (I’ll show my tax returns if she shows her speeches)? Bernie’s claim is that he has not made any speeches for money. OK, yeah, Bern, you haven’t because it would be completely ILLEGAL for you to have done so. Hillary, on the other hand, was a private citizen. So quit with the shit.

  • Sol

    No, one must amass a majority of pledged and unpledged delegates under the rules, not a 59% supermajority of pledged delegates. You might want to reread above.

  • pbr90

    Source of the chutzpah from Sanders, Weaver, and Devine, & wife, Jane, primary surrogates and engineers of the challenge, given the delegate count by May, is worthy of investigation to say the least since it appears to be rooted in anything but historically Democratic issues vs Republican issues.

  • Zu Byerly

    The government (our taxes) pays 72% on up to 75% of his health insurance premium, also.

  • Shawn A Abdul

    PAID BROCK TROLL! SHE WORKS TO SUPPRESS VOTERS.

  • SWS

    At some point Sanders needs to realize that he does not have the popular vote and he will not catch up to Clinton, with or without superdelegates. Clinton is ahead of Sanders over 2.5 MILLION votes and over 250 delegates (over 700 if you count superdelegates) and that lead is likely to increase on Super Tuesday-4/24. Clinton recently gained another 11 superdelegates, and Sanders will not be able to wrest many (if any) away from Clinton. BOTH candidates signed an agreement with the DNC to raise money for down-ballot candidates. Sanders is helping THREE down-ballot candidates who endorsed him (not with money, but with emails asking for donations for those 3 candidates); whereas Clinton has raised millions to help down-ballot candidates win, even if they don’t endorse her and even if she doesn’t become the nominee. Not to mention the fact that Sanders continually bashes the party. So, died in the wool Democrats aren’t going to be tossing their superdelegates over to Sanders, no matter how hard they harass them. Clinton has lived up to her end of the deal with the DNC, Sanders has not. That says a lot about “character” and “judgment”.

  • Stephan Schwirzke

    “Sanders is now requiring Hillary to win 59% of the pledged delegates in order to win the nomination. That’s absurd.” Ummmmmm, those are the DNC rules, nice try.

  • Teresa Welby

    you can bite me and so can the commie!

  • calimary

    The only people I know of who are known for their over-inflated sense of entitlement to rule – are republi-CONS. Sometimes I wonder if it’s the “World’s Biggest Entitlement Program”! Lol! Sad to see Bernie certainly seems to have stumbled down this same path. I used to like the guy.

  • calimary

    From what I’ve read, he and his family and a rather large-sounding entourage did indeed take a private jet to Rome. I’m guessing a charter or maybe a Gulfstream (?) because of the size required for the wife, kids, grandchildren, staffers and some press people. Paid for by his campaign – which I’m not sure is within the rules.

  • calimary

    That George Clooney fundraiser is for down-ticket Dems. Hillary’s attending to add the star power that will attract more people with their checkbooks – again, for down-ticket Dems. Bernie has evidently tweezered out three (wow! THREE!) Democratic House candidates for whom to raise funds – mainly because all three support him. Hillary, on the other hand, raises money for Dems – period. No strings attached, no purity tests required, no loyalty tests necessary. Regardless whom they support.

  • calimary

    And now he’s trying to steal her super delegates. Okay – at least he and his campaign are consistent, I guess. Btw – I’m still frustrated that nobody in the press has ever asked if indeed his campaign still used that stolen data, even after they got caught, feigned an apology, and fired the kid who stole it. But as the thief stole that data, he also made copies, and I’m sure they kept those. And I’d bet they made as much use of them as they could.

  • calimary

    A friend recently characterized Bernie as “a hitchhiker who demands the keys to the car.” Can’t say it any better than that!

  • lost_grrl

    Everything you said. I could not have said it better myself.

  • Nicholas DeShane

    No what’s absurd is Bernie winning a state by 12 points but Hillary still getting more of that states delegates. Hillary isn’t actually winning. Thousands of voters are disenfranchised based on the whims of a handful of assholes the clinton’s have managed to get in their pocket over the years.

  • andyou

    That sure is one crappy private jet. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXbIPUIUMAEvJLL.jpg

  • Silver_Witch

    Thanks Moderator3 – you as always are a ROCK STAR!!

  • vegastearoom

    Once the Democratic Socialist does not win, he should be escorted from the convention and be returned to Independent status.

  • Silver_Witch

    She waited until after the last primary – just as Sanders will.

  • Rhiannon Welles

    Bernie is a big, mean baby. The more I hear him speak the less I like him.

  • tantip1

    Bernie made $150,000+ (after medical and retirement pre-tax deductions) per year in congress and his wife Jane earned $200.000 per year at Burlington College. Where did the money go? And why do they have $50,000+ in credit card debt?

    Inquiring minds want to know how the guy who wants to remake the American economy is spending his own money. He needs to show his tax returns.

  • Karen Eisen

    I agree totally. While I am not fond of Hillary (and it wouldn’t surprise if DNC goes for a third candidate), they do need to throw Sanders out. Sander is not loyal to the Democratic Party, and has alienated women and visible minorities. His supporters are sexist and insulting. Sanders does well at caucuses because the campaign busses in Independents and Republicans who of course don’t want to vote for HRC. Sanders also does well at caucuses because HRC’s supporters are intimidated by sexist humiliation, bullying and aggressiveness. Some of HRC’s supporters don’t show up, because it is not worth the hassle.

  • Karen Eisen

    I consider Sanders to be tool of republicans / sanders voted against health care bills in the 1990’s / Sanders does not have that much support / Sanders has won because Republicans and right-wing Independents are often bussed in, so then he does well because these voters do not support HRC / also at caucuses, Sanders does well because the HRC supporters are intimidated by the Sanders supporters with sexist humiliation, bullying and harassment and general aggressiveness
    Sanders never had that much support to begin with / his supporters have insulted HRC’s supporters by calling them “stupid” if they prefer a female candidate / I am not very fond of Clinton but believe she is loyal to the Democratic Party / it would not surprise if DNC elects a third candidate to be the nominee
    How can the DNC allow Sanders the nomination if he has alienated women and visible minorities? That is the base of the Democratic Party, and they want to keep their reputation as the Party that serves the interests of women and visible minorities. Yes, they should be willing to move to the Left, but not with blackmail

  • Voodoo Chile

    Welcome to the new AmericaBlog – where authoritarians call for their political opponents to be sold off into slavery!

    How incredibly racially insensitive. Not to mention sexist, since you know damn well what happened to the women who were shanghaied. But hey, I guess to you rape and slavery are funny.

  • Janelle Tyree

    I read somewhere that Seattle has some tunnels where men used to get shanghaied to serve on ships headed to China. Does anyone know if we could find a way to send this old fart on a slow boat to China. I have been a faithful, work in the trenches dem for many years. I don’t like this guy and, please DNC find a way to muzzle him.

  • Greg Singh

    My bad, the rest of the world really should pay more attention to anonymous guys on the internet.

  • Greg Singh

    Sure, no problem: are you going to tell Jeff Weaver or should I?

  • Viir Exeter

    Sanders also has made toppling the banks his number one campaign platform priority promise and when pressed BY the press on HOW he was going to do that, he had absolutely no answers. NONE.

    My personal fave: Bernie’s suing the DNC when Camp Bernie was in the wrong—he fired the persons responsible admitting guilt and the breaking of the law—and then is simultaneously SEEKING support FROM said DNC and Democrat voters. You can’t make this stuff up. (i don’t know of any Democrats suing the DNC. Oh, that’s right. Bernie’s not one. Never has been one).

    He has also refused to give over his tax returns, just like Republicans Romney did long ago and Trump currently now is doing—especially poignant in Bernie’s case as he plays, and runs on, the “everyman” role. What is he hiding? Hillary posted her tax returns and medical records online. WHERE ARE
    HIS? Offshore accounts perhaps? Imagine if HILLARY refused to give over HER tax returns! The outcry from Bernie supporters would be heard beyond Pluto. But, with Bernie supporters, ALL of this is not only completely excusable, but JUST FINE; he can do no wrong.

  • geenak

    My husband and I are the same way. We are willing to pay more taxes, our retirements are all in stocks, and I understand how people might think we would support Hillary but we don’t. I came from a poor hispanic family and I want to make sure that other people are taken care of. I live in one of the richest counties in the US and there are a lot of Bernie supporters here so obviously we aren’t that rare.

  • geenak

    Except they aren’t bullying anyone… Sanders is simply saying he is going to stay in until the last primary (which has already been noted that Hillary did as well in 08). He is also urging super delegates to vote the way that their states/districts have voted. There is no demanding, there is no bullying.

  • geenak

    How is it undermining the progressive vote by waiting until all states have voted? I personally still have 2 weeks until I can vote and I’d be very disappointed if Sanders dropped out before I had a chance to let my choice be known.

    Sanders has simply stated this (this is a direct quote from the article linked above)

    “The Sanders campaign has urged super delegates — such as party
    officials or members of Congress — who have said they support Clinton
    to follow the sentiment of their voting districts or states, some which
    may have gone for Sanders.”

    What issue do you have with those who are supposed to represent their areas actually vote the way the people have voted? How is this not reasonable?

  • geenak

    Sanders is saying what I am saying, this is a direct quote from that article that the author is accusing Sanders of stealing super delegates

    “The Sanders campaign has urged super delegates — such as party
    officials or members of Congress — who have said they support Clinton
    to follow the sentiment of their voting districts or states, some which
    may have gone for Sanders.”

    That isn’t stealing, that isn’t demanding, that is simply indicating that those with the power should follow the will of the people that they are representing.

  • Phil in FLL

    People don’t use the term “Goldwater Girls” to refer to any former Republican. Not unless, like Hillary, they were at least in high school when Goldwater ran. You’re the one who seems dense.

  • Ty Morgan

    While much of what you say is true, it appears to me Sanders is saying that superdelegates should vote for him regardless. Some thing about electability or some nonsense. I know of nor have I heard a superdelegate saying they’d vote for Clinton because of “a long time relationship”despite the vote of the people. If that’s the case, isn’t Sanders saying the same thing?

  • Voodoo Chile

    I’ll ask AmericaBloggers again: Do you think progressive Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon is a vile racist and sexist? Do you think he is the scum of the earth and a parasite and a communist? Do you wish he would go away or even just shuffle off this mortal coil? Or be thrown out of the party? Should he be told to get the fuck out of America?

    I ask because he just endorsed Sanders. All of those hate-filled epithets in my first paragraph are highly upvoted comments found in this article alone. And all directed at liberal politicians and voters. Now that progressive Senator Jeff Merkley has joined this group, I’m wondering if you’re willing to say the same vile things about him.

  • geenak

    Actually, Bernie Sanders’ supporters were upset that Hillary and the media portrayed her as the winner after only the first couple primaries due to super delegates. Super delegates can and do change but you also have instances where Bernie has won states but super delegates due to long time relationships with Hillary and Bill have decided to put their vote towards Hillary. One long time friend of Hillary’s said specifically that even though her state voted for Bernie, she was putting her long time relationship ahead of what the people voted for. That type of stuff makes super delegates dumb but we have to work within the system.

    Generally though, super delegates will be thrown towards the winner of the state and super delegates usually don’t decide the primary vote. So it wouldn’t be stealing super delegates if Bernie was able to win a state and then the super delegate changed to Bernie. That is just how the system is built, which again isn’t a very smart system.

  • Dodgson

    Ok… if you think that picking someone who agrees with you the most in primaries is the most likely way to win the national election than I would love for you to meet the Tea Party and George McGovern… unfortunately you have to deal with the fact that 40-45% of the country passionately disagrees with you and another 15% are actual moderates. Deal with reality or not, it is up to you. I would rather have a liberal woman in the whitehouse as opposed to a very liberal (which is how I identify) man who is back in the Senate after losing in the general election. And before you mention polls… no general election poll prior to 2 weeks after the conventions is worth anything. Hillary was to the left of Obama on almost every position in 2007-8 and I’m fine with her continuing to slowly fix things Republicans ruined despite the fact that the House is guaranteed to remain Republican until at least 2020.

  • We seem to be getting a lot of “drive through,” or very seldom, commenters lately.

  • Ty Morgan

    Really? During the two years they overlapped in the Senate, Sanders co-sponsored 19 pieces of legislation that Clinton introduced, while Clinton signed on in support of seven Sanders bills. Vote studies from Congressional Quarterly find that Clinton voted with the Senate Democratic leadership 99 percent of the time in 2008 and 98 percent in 2007. For Sanders, the rate was 98 and 97 percent, respectively, during those two years. Not a lot of daylight.

    http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-alike-426301
    What ever you say boss.

  • Voodoo Chile

    That’s great that you’re comparing Democrats to Republicans. Let’s do that in the General election. But we’re in primary season and it’s time to compare the candidates we have available to us. I choose the one who fights for social and economic justice. You choose the pro-corporate, pro war, pro Israel apartheid one, but that’s your choice.

    Yes, America has gotten more liberal. That’s because each generation is more liberal than the last, and yet you Hillary supporters on this site are going around calling young liberals racists and sexists. It’s laughable.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Hey, remember when Republicans used to say “If you don’t like America, you can get out!” This site has become a site for right-wing democrats who would have been Republicans in the 1990s. Look at the comment threads on this site now. It’s full of hateful language that you’d expect to find on Red State.

    On this thread alone we’ve had Hillary supporters call for the death of Bernie Sanders, call liberals scumbags, sexists and racists. Called them communists. And now the ol’ “get out of the country.”

  • Voodoo Chile

    If the goal posts represent the Overton Window, then without a doubt we can all agree that Bernie Sanders is trying to move them…. to the left.

    I’m tired of a Democratic party that stands for Lloyd Blankfein, NAFTA and TPIP, “Grand Bargains” to cut Social Security, killing arabs, and domestic spying. Thank heavens that someone like Sanders came along to challenge the power of right-wing democrats.

  • Voodoo Chile

    You do know the difference between a primary and a general election, right?

  • Ariadne Schulz

    In 2008 Clinton conceded so that she could convince her followers to support Obama. That was progressive and very classy. Sanders, by staying in until the bitter end and lobbing unsubstantiated insults and such in her general direction is making the process into a farce and undermining the progressive vote. Already a small but significant minority of Sanders supporters have said they will “never” vote for Clinton. If Sanders was truly as revolutionary as he claims he would see that this is a done deal and work towards conciliation of the liberal vote. As far as pledged delegates are concerned at this point he has to win 59% in each of the remaining contests just to break even with Clinton and he’d have to exceed 61% to get past her. If she does even okay at the end of April (and polls for her are high in some of the big prize states she’s expected to win by about 58% some projections have her winning by 60-61%) he would then have to win 70-75% in each of the remaining contests. If she does well in any of those final contests he will run out of pledged delegates. Depending on which one she won he could have to win by over 80 or 90% and if she does okay in California then there will not be enough delegates to close the gap even if he could take them all. The only reasonable way for him to win at this point is for him to get pretty much all of the superdelegates on his side. THAT is why his demands are unreasonable. He cannot at this point reasonably expect to win this race without superdelegates, but he’s asking that his opponent be required to do that. That’s the epitome of a double standard. We’re not being biased; we’re simply calling foul.

  • Kick Frenzy

    He’s basically saying “we won’t concede that Hillary has won the nomination until she has actually won the nomination”.
    How is that moving the goal posts?

  • Kick Frenzy

    Actually…

    Bernie didn’t pay that money to Tad Devine, he paid that money to a media firm that Tad is part of… namely, “Devine, Mulvey and Longabaugh”.
    It is payment for pretty much all of the campaign media, online and physical.
    In other words, there’s nothing to see there.
    And I don’t find any mention of it being monthly.

  • Ty Morgan

    While he may not have specifically “demanded” Clinton win 59% of remaining delegates, you would have to agree that the Sanders’ campaign is without doubt trying to move the goal posts.

  • Dodgson

    Ah, I was comparing the Democrats to the Republicans. If you just want to look at the Democratic party than yes it got more centrist… however if you take a step back and look at it rationally you might realize that the country became less liberal. I mean, I would love to have all sorts of programs in place but a lot of our country doesn’t. You cannot be a pure party without conceding the entire national agenda to the other side. You don’t have to like that but it is the way things are. Democrats have been moving things leftward compared to what the Republicans have enacted… if you would prefer a pure party than we could just let the Republicans decide everything.

  • Kick Frenzy

    So, you’re saying the candidate who is for the people and by the people is not representative of Democratic values?
    The guy who has been arrested for fighting against inequality?
    The only candidate with a solid resume of constant ideals?

    But it’s the candidate who needs money from large donors and companies who is more Democratic?
    The one who has served on the anti-union Wal-Mart Board of Directors?
    The one who has heavily supported, and argued for, fracking both in our nation and abroad?
    A candidate who has changed positions on almost every issue she’s running on, casting doubt as to what her true ideals are?

    If we were to compare the candidates to past historical figures, the closest match-up would be if we had FDR running against Margaret Thatcher.
    And what you’re saying is, Thatcher would’ve been more representative of the Democratic Party, and better for the country, than FDR.

    Well… I disagree.

  • Ty Morgan

    Bernie Sanders and his legions are furious about the possibility that superdelegates could help Hillary Clinton win the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination. There’s a word for that: chutzpah.

    For several decades, Sanders chose to set himself apart from the Democratic Party. He held himself up as a paragon of non-partisan virtue and has charged that leading members of the Democratic Party, including Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, are essentially corrupt, inept or both.

    Now that the Democratic Party’s nomination rules favor his rival, Clinton, the #Bern crowd is angrily denouncing the way Democrats select their nominee. The vast majority of the 4,700-plus delegates to the Democratic convention are pledged to support the choice of primary and caucus voters in their state or district. But there’s a set of 714 “superdelegates”— elected Democrats, party officials and party elders — who vote for the candidate of their own choice at the convention. In at least one case, a Clinton-backing superdelegate has reported receiving harassing messages from Sanders supporters.
    – See more at: http://www.rollcall.com/news/bernie-sanders-superdelegate-chutzpah#sthash.c3DGaJsH.dpuf

    Pretty much sums up my feelings on this matter!

  • Moderator3

    That was a drive through commenter. I doubt he would come back, but should he try, he can’t.

  • Silver_Witch

    Proof that Hillary supporters are just as ugly as republicans. Hey Johnnyou must be so proud!! Now they are telling people to get out of the country.

    I was born here and love this country and w
    WILL support anyone I damn well please!

  • Silver_Witch

    4 days after the last primary. How about you wait that long as well?

  • Ariadne Schulz

    I’ve just completely lost every last ounce of respect I might have had for the guy. The only logical reason to behave in such a manner is if he wanted to try to screw up the voting so badly that a Republican HAS to be elected. So either he’s an idiot or he’s a plant. I’m not paranoid so I think he’s just an idiot, but his behavior stinks.

  • Silver_Witch

    Someone’s bias panties are showing. No where did Sanders or his team demand anything. The will stay in the game until it is over. That is how games are played!

  • Ricky Ricardo

    If we used that stupid rediculously self serving idea, Obama would never had been elected. Take the Super Delegates out of the equation back in 2008 when around 100 delegates separated Obama from Hillary before the Denver Convention but after all the state primaries and caucuses. Now take the decisions made about pledged delegates disputes between Hillary And Obama at the Rules Committee just before the Denver Convention with Florida and…and I want to day Michigan(not sure of Michigan). Donna Brazille was the DNC Rules Committee Chair and just so happened to have been an ardent Obama supporter. A super majority of the other Committee members were pro Obama supporters. Both state decisions from that Committee regarding the disputed pledged delegate distribution went for Barack that day giving him that 100 pledged delegate cushion just before the convention. Now take Texas. HILLARY won that primary in 2008 by over 100,000 votes statewide over Obama. YET when the DENVER arrived he had around 8 more pledged delegates than Hillary. We had the Texas Two Step at that time and a percentage of delegates going to Denver would come out of the precinct conventions after the polls closed following the primary vote. Obama’s organization in Texas was overwhelming. Obama supporters flooded every precinct convention that night throughout the state and by so going have him more delegates yo Denver. As a Precinct Chair that night and an Executive Committee member for the county Democratic Party and a Hillary Delegate to the state and the National Convention in Denver, I say toTeam Sanders, TOO [email protected]$&ING BAD. Get over it idiots. The rules are the rules. Keep this stupidity up Sanders Team come November we are going to be a Democratic Party that looks more like 1968 Democrats and we see what happened because of that.

  • Frank Provasek

    The super delegates are not pledged. The idea is that they decide who to support after hearing everyone speak at the convention. Neither candidate should declare victory before the convention based on how they THINK the super delegates will vote. Why is letting the system work such a problem? Only if Hillary has 59% of the PLEDGED delegates before the convention is it a sure thing she would get the nomination. Remember Bush v Gore? One reason the Supreme Court gave for awarding the presidency to Bush was that Bush had already declared himself the winner, and if all the votes were recounted and Gore won, Bush would suffer harm, the public would be confused, our enemies would be emboldened… Why are so many fellow Democrats acting like teabaggers- my way or the highway – Make Sanders shut the f–k up, show him the door, start the convention with declaring Hillary the winner by proclamation, Sanders isn’t really one of us. Or deliberately making up lies about your opponent – I am getting 2 or 3 per day facebook stories shared by my friends of just VILE garbage that looks like the stuff Allen West and Louie Gohmert send out about President Obama.

  • MaryLF

    In fact, this is straight out of the Republican playbook. Demanding a super majority because they were in the minority in the Senate is exactly how the GOP deadlocked the Senate even before they gained the majority.

  • MaryLF

    What I grasp is that Sanders made an agreement with the Democratic Party to be able to run as a Democrat, a party he has never joined before, never supported with money, and who had helped him win elections previously,They gave him a committee chairmanship because he caucused with them frequently. Part of the agreement was that he would support down ticket Democrats with some of the money he raised. They opened a Victory account for him and put in $1000 as seed money. He has not contributed a dime to it and will not say if he will do so even as nominee. This is not good and speaks to Sanders’ weaknesses as a candidate and how much he dislikes the Democratic Party. He will need every one of those Democrats to win in order to help him if he should win the presidency. I also grasp this: Sanders’ knew the rules – he’s been in government how long – and his campaign manager helped design the super delegate system. First he disdained them, now he wants to manipulate them. Just like any old politician, right? You can’t claim purity and I’m-not-like-them if, when the chips are down, you act exactly like the image people have of manipulative politicians. You can’t agree to the rules and then think you can change them because you are losing. Sanders has had 40 years in government to build a structure and he hasn’t bothered until now. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of actual Democrats like Hillary Clinton and have been turning out to vote for her in numbers greater than Sander’s supporters. That’s why she’s winning. He based his strategy on courting the youth and angry white men in mainly white states and has failed to broaden his appeal beyond that. He needs to stop blaming everyone else for his failure.

  • The Silent Majority

    It doesn’t matter what Sanders does. Hillary is the nominee. If they need to start the convention with a quick vote to shut him the fuk up, so be it. A simple, boring little formality. And then they can show him the door.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Now that he’s gone, i want to address the 7 people who upvoted calling for the death of Bernie Sanders and say SHAME ON YOU! Shame, shame shame…

    And honestly, shame on John Aravosis because he has lead by example and encouraged this behaviour.

  • Voodoo Chile

    You can say he’s a spoiler if he runs 3rd party. Until then he’s just staying in the fight as long as he can. That’s an admirable trait. Americans used to admire such traits. We used to make moves about underdogs like Rocky or whatever.

    Now we just political dynasties. Our “left wing” party is the party of Wall Street, wealth inequality and war. Now so-called democratic voters get angry that underdog politicians get involved in the political process. They get so angry they call for the deaths of such politicians. They get so angry they call young liberals racists and sexists, which is absurd on its face.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Unhinged.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Shakesville is a ridiculous blog run by ridiculous people. This place used to be better, but now it’s a place where people call for the deaths of liberal politicians.

  • Voodoo Chile

    How childish.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Democratic socialists from Vermont don’t have that kind of cash. A center-right Wall street candidate does.

  • Voodoo Chile

    You mean the website where you’re not allowed to say anything bad about Hillary? You’re not allowed to post there anymore?

    I mean, i guess that’s fair. For as bad as I think Daily Kos is, it’s nothing compared to the new AmericaBlog, where people call for the death of their political opponents and accuse liberal politicians and 20-something college liberals of being sexist and racist.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Then you went through the 80s and 90s with partisan blinders on. Bill Clinton and the DLC transformed the democratic party to be the money party. They were tired of being the party of trade unionists and black people. They wanted that Wall Street cash and the southern white vote. To be honest, it probably seemed a perfectly reasonable political strategy at the time and I can’t exactly fault them for it.

    But the result is the Democratic party has lost its soul. We are now the party of NAFTA, TPIP, wars in the middle east (Libya), Wall Street bailouts and favours, domestic spying and Grand Bargains on social security. To prompt what you’ll probably say next, the progress on things like gay rights have come primarily through the courts. And you all this incremental progress to the left?

  • Voodoo Chile

    Funding them once they start is entirely different. Surely you must know that?

  • Voodoo Chile

    1) Young people aren’t obsessed with parties like you are. Good for them. You just keep getting schooled by a increasingly right-wing democratic party who is unresponsive to your needs.

    2) Bernie Sanders and his strongest voting bloc of young liberals are neither racist nor sexist. It is a ridiculous smear made by unethical people who will say anything.

    3) I don’t even know what this means.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Why do you care about any of this?

  • Voodoo Chile

    This is just unhinged…

  • John Avignone

    It’s very simple. Bernie knew the rules when he got into the game. If he didn’t like the way the game is played, he shouldn’t have run as a Democrat. Whining about it now is pathetic.

  • John Avignone

    You’re confusing democracy with political party rules and processes. Any political party has a perfect right to set the rules for their party nominations. It’s hardly unfair that the Democratic Party have some say in the selection of the Democratic presidential nominee at the Democratic National Convention to then run on the Democratic Party ticket. Historically voters have had no voice in selecting nominees. Party ;leaders selected nominees, and that was that. The current system is, in fact, extremely democratic, as it gives voters by far the biggest say in selecting a nominee. 4,053 of the 4,765 Democratic delegates are apportioned by the results of primaries or caucuses. There are only 712 superdelegates. It’s after the candidates have been selected that the democracy part comes into play.

    As to reform, Hillary has always been a reformer, and a very successful one at that. She has a proven track record of getting things done, even in highly partisan atmospheres. Like all Democrats, she has called for overturning Citizens United and getting big money out of politics. And if the Democrats take back the Senate, which is very likely if she wins, she’ll be able to get the votes needed to confirm a Supreme Court candidate, flipping the Court to a 5-4 liberal court. One of the first things that will happen is someone will challenge Citizens United and the reconfigured Supreme Court will overturn it. Bang. End of super PACs. End of unlimited money in elections. Return of individual donation limits. Done.

    As to pushing things through, yes, compromise is required to get anything done. Bernie doesn’t do compromise. That’s why in 25 years in Congress he’s never gotten anything done. Exactly 3 bills he’s authored have been enacted. Two of them renamed post offices in Vermont. The other one was a housecleaning bill, a standard piece of legislation with no opposition. In his case it was an adjustment to the cost of living allowance in veteran’s benefits. He only authored the bill because he was the committee chair, thanks to Democrats. There was no opposition. In fact, it was so uncontroversial that it was passed unanimously by a voice vote.

    Our system is designed to require compromise. It’s meant to be deliberative. Major change is meant to be incremental and to take time. This is why we’ve had 240 years of stable government with only 1 five year period of strife while our European friends have had nearly constant turmoil. Even today, European parliamentary systems produce unstable governments and whip-saw lurches from one extreme to the other. Italy and Greece are the most obvious examples. Both have had more than 50 governments since WWII. But it’s also true for France and Germany, just to a lesser extent. Because parliamentary systems require coalitions between many different parties they are inherently unstable. Our constitutional democratic republic, on the other hand, is a far more stable form of government.

    The problem with firebrands and ideological purists like Bernie is they can’t get anything done, as he’s proven. Pragmatists like Hillary, on the other hand, can. It’s far preferable to to have the possible good over the impossible perfect. And considering what a small minority we progressives are, we should be thrilled to get anything done. 38% of Americans identify as conservatives. 34% identify as moderates. Only 24% identify as liberals, and only half of that as progressives. It is naive and unrealistic to think such a small minority should control the majority. But what we can do is protect the gains we’ve made and continue to chip away, moving forward where and when we can. The arc of all human history bends towards the liberal. We need to get a grip, get some perspective, and then settle in to do the hard work needed. If we insist on infatuations with unicorns farting rainbows, while we’re busy dreaming big dreams we’ll be losing ground.

    As to 30 years of baggage, you’re looking at it entirely wrong. For 30 years the right wing noise machine has tried to bring Hillary down. Despite their best efforts, nothing has stuck and she’s come out of it stronger than ever. There’s nothing more they can throw at her than what they’ve already thrown, and that hasn’t worked. Bernie, OTOH, would be fresh meat. There’s no way he’d survive a billion dollars worth of attack ads. His own autobiography is one big attack ad. Bum until 40. Stole electricity. Sponged off of women. Claimed conscientious objector status to dodge the draft. Praised Fidel Castro repeatedly. Honeymooned in Soviet Russia. Claimed bread lines are a sign of a healthy economy. And on and on and on, and that’s all stuff he says he did. All the GOP would have to do is repeatedly scream, “Socialist!” and “Huge tax increases!” but there’s more. So much more. They’d tear him into bloody little shreds. Trump? They could run Krusty the Clown and win.

    It’s fine to dream big, but it’s important to aim small. Aim small, miss small. There is no magic bullet. What’s important is to keep firing away. MLK didn’t say, “I have a dream that tomorrow racism will end.” There’s a reason he said “someday.” History is on our side. The only way we can lose is to insist on the perfect while rejecting the good. If we do this we will once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

  • Carmen Salgado

    They need to be changed but not in the middle of an election year. Tad and Bernie should know this. This should have been discussed and changed before the primaries began. You as well I know you don’t change the rules of a game in the middle of the game because you’re losing.

  • Carmen Salgado

    Not Sanders but tad Devine had a hand in the superdelegates rule.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511240907

  • MSTRKRFTR

    Cathie,

    The campaign manager connection is VERY weak. Do you hear Sander’s camp complaining that Hillary’s Son-In-Law is a long time investment banker for GS? Basically, if Hillary comes down on banks then she’s taking money away from her daughter or grandchildren’s house. Either way that’s a really dumb argument. Move on…

  • Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

    you are so right..

  • Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

    They need to throw him out of the dam party and take ALL the delegates and give them to Hillary and tell him to run INDEPENDANT he is not a democrat.

  • Lemons-Lymes-N-Lies ???

    They are the worst on social media. A bunch of whiny entitled followers that don’t squat about the rules or even care to know. Gimme. Gimme. Gimme the nomination!

  • Lemons-Lymes-N-Lies ???

    It speaks volumes. They were told way back when they had a minority problem but this campaign chose to ignore it. No sympathy. Lets get to the generals already and get HRC elected!

  • Madeline Brashear

    Bernie WANTS TO write them. He feels entitled.

  • Lemons-Lymes-N-Lies ???

    The clock is ticking now Sanders and co wants to make up the rules as they go along!

  • Madeline Brashear

    No, Saners, feeling his usual entitlement wants to write the rules. Don’t think the DNC will stand for that. Sorry, little Bastard Bernie, you’re just shit out of luck!

  • Madeline Brashear

    Nothing here hard for me to understand. I knew from the outset that Sanders was a dirty little bastard who would try any underhanded trick Karl Rove fed him. Bu since when did BS get to make the rules?

  • Mike Fox

    You can’t “steal” Hillary’s super delegates. They make a decision and vote. And they can choose not to cast a ballot at all. It’s called democracy. And it ain’t over until the convention is over. What’s so hard to grasp, here?

  • MSTRKRFTR

    Hey you were right…I was at my lunch break so I didn’t have the time or the energy to research and argue it, but you are right. I looked into it and you were 100% right. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. He had a part in making it. He’s also be asking for it to be reexamined for some time so while I agree with your point he did create it. I also ask that we don’t allow things to stand just because “they’ve always been that way” and actually heed the advice of many, including the men who created them. We should reexamine our democracy and ask who does it benefit? Does it benefit the common man or does it benefit the monied interests that donate to candidates on either party? IF so then do they get a bigger seat at the table or more sway in the decisions of politicians? I feel like the answer is monied interests get more benefit from democracy as it stands now and they get to have greater sway in how our politicians make decisions. Both of those things I hate. Neither candidate is perfect and both has or will accept money from special interests…The amount of money does matter though and in that regard to me..Hillary is not the candidate to reform any system (Banking or Politics). She will run the existing system and keep status quo happy so she can continue to collect money. She won’t get anything done in congress. She won’t activate the democratic base in the midterm election and we’ll end up with another obstructionist congress just new faces. She’ll attempt to push things through only to be stopped or obstructed or worse, she’ll compromise so much that we end up with something that isn’t liberal at all. Hillary will have 30 yrs of baggage and her gender as ammo for them to throw at her and fling like riled monkeys at the zoo. They’re going to dig their heels in so deep and in the mean time our democracy will be neglected as voters who were once excited about the system become disenfranchised and leave it.

    Hillary 2016 #DreamSmall

  • Susan

    Bernie never saw a war he didn’t like. He voted to fund them all. You need to vet him. You are making a cool of yourself.

  • Susan

    The main reason it’s dragging on ire s money. Bernie pays Tad Devine $810,000 a month. There are family members on they campaign payroll. Bernie and his wife are flying to Rome on a private jet for a 10 minute speech and vacation. She can’t even find their tax returns and somehow doesn’t know the IRS has copies. You people are suckers. VET HIM.

  • stutz24

    So go live in another country we don’t need your silly ass here.

  • Shoot4themoon

    Sir, you’re being deliberately disingenuous here and you well know it. Also, for the record, Hillary Clinton went onto the 2008 DNC floor to halt the delegate count process – which was clearly a formality at that point – and she personally made a motion to declare Barack Obama the Democratic Nominee, which was a pretty amazing moment. YouTube it. I get chills. I also doubt Senator Sanders will be quite so magnanimous.

  • wkmtca

    talk about reading crap into something that has not been said. what a bunch of bs journalism.

  • Cathie Howell Thomas

    Posted this in the wrong spot. Just incase you are confused here it is again
    Sanders war voting history.
    http://youtu.be/PpfWsYYLucA
    Yes he has a perfect right to criticise someone else’s judgement.
    Like his judgement supporting war. Sanders has quite a record on that.

    Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 – Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

    It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

    In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq. The 2002 act required Bush to get a UN resolution, let the resolution do its job, and only if the UN failed, Bush could go to war… Since the UN was taking too long for Bush, he dropped the 2002 AUMF and fell back on the 2001 AUMF. Which Sanders voted for…

    He would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

    In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 – an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 – as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

    He also voted in favor of HR 2800 – Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

    In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

    In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 – Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In 2007, he supported HR 1585 – National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

    In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

    During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a “complicated issue” and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

    In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

    In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: “The entire world has got to stand up to Putin,” he said. “We’ve got to deal with sanctions.”

    And Bernie didn’t object to having his name included – by unanimous consent – in S.498, which backed Israel’s brutal, summer-long military assault against Gaza.

  • Cathie Howell Thomas

    Yep all voted for by Bernie the Bomber
    Sanders war voting history.
    http://youtu.be/PpfWsYYLucA
    Yes he has a perfect right to criticise someone else’s judgement.
    Like his judgement supporting war. Sanders has quite a record on that.

    Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 – Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

    It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

    In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq. The 2002 act required Bush to get a UN resolution, let the resolution do its job, and only if the UN failed, Bush could go to war… Since the UN was taking too long for Bush, he dropped the 2002 AUMF and fell back on the 2001 AUMF. Which Sanders voted for…

    He would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

    In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 – an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 – as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

    He also voted in favor of HR 2800 – Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

    In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

    In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 – Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In 2007, he supported HR 1585 – National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

    In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

    During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a “complicated issue” and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

    In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

    In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: “The entire world has got to stand up to Putin,” he said. “We’ve got to deal with sanctions.”

    And Bernie didn’t object to having his name included – by unanimous consent – in S.498, which backed Israel’s brutal, summer-long military assault against Gaza.

  • Cathie Howell Thomas

    Well his campaign manager is married to Rove’s cousin so lets keep it in the family?

  • John Avignone

    Tad Devine did. Devine created the superdelegate system. Here he is talking about it…

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89369899

  • John Avignone

    Your Boogle groken, is it? Devine created the superdelegate system. Here he is talking about it…

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89369899

  • Dodgson

    Ummm… you need to get a new psychic (or perhaps psychologist)… you keep telling me what I think and you keep getting it wrong. I am for a candidate who has initially supported some wars that I was against and who then came out against them too. I don’t loath “with every fiber of my being” the more anti-war and pro-economic justice candidate… I think he is a good senator who does not have fully thought through plans that could be established in our country as it exists today.

    As for the incremental change position… I’ve lived through Reagan/Bush Sr, then Clinton, then Bush Jr., then Obama… have you been so completely ignorant that you cannot see that Clinton and Obama have pushed us in a more leftward position than their opposition? And Hillary was considered the liberal in her husband’s whitehouse. Her positions were more liberal than Obama’s when they ran against each other. If you have the option of someone who gets involved in foreign countries for humanitarian reasons and someone who wants to make the sand glow I think I know which direction I would lean towards. You can feel free to hope the make the sand glow party wins of course.

  • MSTRKRFTR

    Yeah i would like to see where Sanders and Devine wrote those Democratic primary rules…???

  • Voodoo Chile

    Look at this Republican talking point – “liberals just want free stuff!” No we don’t, we want a social safety net paid for with taxes. You know, like FDR.

    AmericaBlog as become a site for 1990s Republicans.

    By the way, the person you are talking about doesn’t exist. You made him up to score internet points.

  • Voodoo Chile

    You support the candidate who never met a war she hasn’t liked or a corporate trade policy she hasn’t supported. You loathe, with every fiber of your being, the more anti-war and pro-economic justice candidate.

    And incremental change in what direction? That’s what puzzles me about Clinton supporters. Every major democrat since Carter (and maybe him too) has moved the party incrementally to the right. Your “incremental change” in the past few years has been the bombing of another Arab country, an attempted “Grand Bargain” on social security, domestic spying, and the TPIP. I say no to all of that, and I say no to your candidate who wants to move us incrementally in that direction.

  • Voodoo Chile

    I read it just fine. It’s perfectly clear. She needs 2,383 delegates and Sanders is going to stay in the race until she has 2,383 *pledged* delegates. And that’s fine with me. I’m not a big fan of uncontested primaries and political dynasties like some people who claim to be “democrats” living in a democratic society.

  • andyou

    Just because you are unaware of something doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Here’s a compilation of some of Sanders’ speeches over the past thirty years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk7olRYfzzc

  • Voodoo Chile

    Bernie Sanders wrote the rules?

  • We seem to have a lot of those lately.

  • rosietheriveter4

    One supporter started the website, many followed. There is enough evidence of supers being harrassed, and news media reports of online harrassment which appears to be an organized effort. When superdelegates find it necessary to write letters to Sanders himself, clearly there is a problem. When you paint, with a broad brush, anyone and everyone that does not subscribe to your ideology or meet your holier than thou purity test as corrupt, you open the door to a level of anger and self righteousness that results in diminishing and degrading people that have dedicated their lives to public service. Many of Sanders’ supporters have resorted to vitriolic behavior which has not served Sanders well. One need only look at a comments section of any post that disagrees with him. Sanders has squandered an immense level of support for his message by many democrats by allowing insults and personal character assaults from Tad Devine, Jeff Weaver, countless surrogates and many supporters to go unanswered, which is no surprise either, since Sanders himself has now joined the ranks in their gutter tactics. I have watched Bernie for years, and although I didn’ t always agree with him on everything, I admired his tenacity and conviction. After watching over the last few weeks, I have lost total respect. He has failed in his revolution, and has instead, with the help of his surrogates and supporters, created an anti Hillary movement nearly unmatched by the GOP. Congratulations.

  • Bill_Perdue
  • Bill_Perdue

    Sanders is a Democrat and that disqualifies him from serious consideration by the left.

  • Greg Singh

    Perhaps you should re-read the article. Here is the part you should concentrate on:
    Traditionally, candidates do not wait until the convention to “prove” how many superdelegates they have. In 2008, Hillary Clinton conceded to Barack Obama two-and-a-half months before the Democratic convention. (The convention started on August 25, Hillary conceded on June 7.)

  • Moderator3

    I guess he didn’t know that arguing with a moderator can have bad results.

  • RealityChic5

    He’s done as well as he has by 1) Not telling young people he’s really not a Democrat 2) Lying and race-baiting 3) Bullying and intimidating people at open caucuses with his non-democratic thugs.

  • RealityChic5

    DON’T HATE THE PLAYER—HATE THE GAME. Oh! That’s right, you guys ( Sanders,Tad Devine & company) WROTE the rules…now you want to change to rules because you’re LOSING. I’m all for changing the rules—so that only REGISTERED DEMOCRATS can run and vote in our primaries!

  • Dee Bergin Flaherty

    You low info Bernie bros are the only paid trolls. I am a homemaker and a longtime Hillary supporter. So stick your revolution that is smoke and mirrors and shove it. Peace out.

  • MtBaker

    Henry Kissinger of all people, sounds like someone Bush would use…

  • ADDISON GAINOUS

    Well my Dad wasn’t a racist maybe that’s why I missed that part.

  • ADDISON GAINOUS

    I showed up here because you can’t go to KOS anymore. The BernieBots have turned into RedState on the Hudson. I have never been paid to support anyone and I was an Obama supporter last time so I am certainly not some Team Clintonista. What I am is a woman who can make up her own mind and I made up my mind about Bernie in the first few weeks. He is a narcissist with an ego the size of Texas. Don’t like his butt and NEVER will.

  • First of all, I don’t have a “dick.”
    Secondly, you are banned. “Bye,” indeed.

  • jondavwal

    Maybe just take the comment down instead of throwing your dick around moderator of a third rate blog.

  • jondavwal

    Don’t care. Bye.

  • Finn

    And yet, it is t̶h̶e̶ ̶S̶a̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶ one single Sanders supporter who a Clinton surrogate singled out for some juicy campaign propaganda.

    There, fixed it for you. yes Clintonistas are unhinged, rabidly so.

  • Finn

    I’m actually shocked in general at how substance-free all the Clinton supporters are in their commenting. Just tons of name calling and vague assertions about how awful Sanders supposedly is. Just like your comment Wendy!

  • You may certainly talk the way you want, but if you wish for the death of any candidate again, you will be banned. It is not funny, and it is not appropriate.

  • Finn

    do they pay by the comment or by the hour? I’m curious.

  • BJ001

    I am sure crazy Sanders and his butt boy Weaver will still be campaigning for the nomination even after Hillary is elected president and inaugurated.

  • Dodgson

    Where on earth did you get the idea that I’m for war or for a “pro-corporate agenda”? I’d actually like you to fully explain what you mean by the second one because I am for people getting jobs and perhaps you are conflating the two. I also believe in getting a liberal agenda out there (once again why do you believe I am right wing?) and I also don’t agree with “killing arabs for their oil and giving money to Wall Street plutocrats”. However… the one thing you have right is that I do believe in a path to victory. If I have the option of someone who can incrementally make things better and GWB I am going to choose the former option 100% of the time. Like it or not but there are a lot of people in this country that disagree with us and we live in a democracy. So please, get your head out of your behind and don’t assume someone who believes in pragmatic liberalism is any less liberal than you are.

  • Teresa Welby
  • Voodoo Chile

    What allegation?

  • Voodoo Chile

    He’s not demanding any such thing. You’re taken in by John’s propaganda.

    Bernie said that he’ll keep campaigning until she gets the number of pledged delegates needed to secure the nomination. I don’t see how anyone who isn’t a rank authoritarian could take issue with that.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    This is better. You understand that all Bernie supporters were not cut out with the same cookie cutter. However, the line you put in all caps is not always true. Some of the hardest working people in the country are the working poor. A couple may hold down five or six jobs between them and still be below the poverty level.

  • Teresa Welby

    link please…..BS stands for bullshit and bernie sanders, how perfect

  • jondavwal

    Semantics. Lol. It’s just the way I talk. Some people would say “I’d like to slap her”. I’m more likely to say “I’d like to take a dump on her”. Variety is the spice of life.

  • Voodoo Chile

    OK then. Snarky comment deleted…

  • howie14

    He also refuses to condemn the support he gets from right wing PAC attacking Hillary.

  • Webster

    Good, glad you read it. Now, go and read it for comprehension. Your candidate and the Democratic Party have played you for fools, shuffling corporate and establishment money around to avoid campaign finance “rules.” Yeah, what they’ve done is “legal,” but it’s rank and foul — and I don’t know about you, but I’m sick of the flim-flam — and as I said, if you don’t mind being played for a fool and you’re just peachy with political-corruption-as-usual, more power to you, but leave me out of it, I want something better than a Republican in a pantsuit.

  • howie14

    No, Bernie, party of one, is a perfect example of left wing authoritarianism.

    If you are against me I will send my minions down to threaten your rally and shout you down. (wags shaky crooked finger)

  • ber6964

    Why wait a month…………..he can go Now!

  • howie14

    Actually the two authoritarians in this race are Trump and Bernie, party of one.

    They are both going to force everyone to follow their plans with a wave of the hand and a wag of the finger.

  • ber6964

    Pfffffffffffffffffffffft……………..Saint bern bern is NOT even a Democrat……….And he demands that the Democrat Party Change the Rules in the Middle of a Primary to Satisfy this Selfish “Independent”.

    Saint bern bern can go fornicate himself.

  • Alegna

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts I respect that. There ARE Bernie supporters who do want something for nothing. I used to know one. He barely went to work. Refused to work Saturdays. Purposely did not pay child support while he spent what money he had on himself. This man is in his forty’s and was total jacked up to hear about the FREE college and FREE healthcare. The college would be for himself of course. There are others who want things FAIR they say. Sometimes being FAIR is actually UNFAIR. I don’t believe I should make as much as my employer or boss. First off the owner took a risk and is entitled to the profit. He could have easily tanked and lost everything. Also the boss has worked longer than me. I also don’t think when someone starts working that they are equal to my pay as I have been at my job 27 years and am paid well. Some of the Bernie college kids want things the same across the board. That is insane. HARD WORK IS WHAT PAYS OFF IN AMERICA AND ALWAYS WILL. I would go on and on but I work. Unfortunately some of the people I know that are Bernie supporters are the worst of the worst so it would seem.

  • howie14
  • kissyface

    i was with you until you called for his death. he needs to go away, not die

  • Voodoo Chile

    The most liberal politician and the most liberal voting demographic are sexist and racist. This is the logic of Hillary supporters.

    In fact, Hillary’s strongest demographic in 2008 and 2016 are old, racist white people. Young liberals who support Sanders are anti-racists and anti-sexists.

  • Voodoo Chile

    There ya go. What else can you throw in with the kitchen sink? Maybe that he beats his wife? Maybe that he wants to kill all jews?

  • Voodoo Chile

    She’s be an idiot to play up her inevitability. Rather, she left that to campaign surrogates and supporters.

  • Doug105

    I wasn’t referring to you.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Right, I’m the troll, not the mouth-breathers yelling about communists… It’s 2016, which means you can stop being afraid of the Soviet Union. Coincidentally, it being 2016 means that Hillary no longer thinks gay people are icky.

  • Voodoo Chile

    One random troll did that, just like one random troll started posting sexist stuff about Jane Sanders. The difference between Bernie supporters and Hillary supports is that the former are smart enough to know that random internet trolls don’t represent the campaign.

    For example, there are currently 7 people on AmericaBlog calling for the death of Bernie Sanders and I know they are not representative of the Clinton campaign.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Do you want Hillary Clinton to die within a month, like the Clinton supporters on AmericaBlog wish for Bernie?

  • Voodoo Chile

    What you don’t understand is that this campaign was going to last as long as possible even if Bernie Sanders was drawing the numbers of Dennis Kucinich. It’s because this campaign is about telling people like you that we are sick of your wars, and your pro-corporate agenda.

    I’m pleasantly surprised that Bernie Sanders has done as well as he has, which just goes to show how many of us are sick of your wars and corporate trade policies. I am entirely uninterested in inside baseball, paths to victory, etc. I’m interested in getting a liberal agenda out there and telling right-wing democrats like you that we’re sick of your shit. I’m done killing arabs for their oil and giving money to Wall Street plutocrats.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    You really need to try to understand Bernie supporters. Although, no one would ever call my husband and me rich, I do think most people would consider us well off. We both have post graduate degrees. We worked hard for those, and have worked hard most of our lives. I’m retired, but my husband is till employed. We do not want something for nothing, but we want to be certain that everyone is being watched out for by someone. We are not unusual among Bernie supporters. If you’re going to malign someone, at least be correct.

  • Galina Galanos

    Bernie is delusional if he thinks he’ll get any superdelegates’ votes after the trolls he pays launched the “superdelegate hit list”.

  • Richard Brian Waite

    First of all, 2383 is not some number that Sanders came up with out of thin air. That is the number of delegates REQUIRED BY THE DNC RULES. There was no such demand made. Secondly, nobody “wins” a nomination before the convention. The convention is held to officially declare a candidate as the DNC nominee. Even in ’08 when Hillary conceded to Obama before the convention, her name WAS STILL ON THE CONVENTION BALLOT and an official vote had to be cast. Do your research.

  • Anne Steiner

    He must have some memtal health issues with this new allegation.

  • Alegna

    Seems to me what got him followers was the word FREE! Always wanting something for doing nothing. Busllshit.

  • Alegna

    Trump and Sanders should’ve went against each other for Independent votes. Love to see that Billionaire vs Socialist! Trump said he would love to go after Bernie. lol

  • Dodgson

    Ummmm… I was talking about ignoring reality and you responded with… actually nothing. If you truly believe there is a path forward for Sanders please explain it. Nothing reality based that I have seen shows him having a shot at winning and deluding oneself is never a good option. I don’t care what you think that Clinton and her supporters are doing and I don’t care what I think that Sanders and his supporters are doing, you still have to face reality.

  • Dee Bergin Flaherty

    I read your link. He’s not a Democrat. You keep reaching and spewing your low info . And we will keep racking up votes for Hillary! So what.the rules are set just like they were in 2008. If you and Bernie don’t like them tough crap.peace out! Go Hillary!!

  • Vargus

    Whining about someone following the rules when you make the rules but the outcome is not what you expected is what is absurd.

  • Gary Stebnitz

    They are a bunch of damn bullies. Well, it’s not going to work.

  • Voodoo Chile

    You are the ones calling liberals racist and sexist and telling young women that they are dumb and sex-crazed and are going to hell.

  • Voodoo Chile

    More shocking is the number of up votes. I can understand one hate-filled person calling for the death of his political opponents, but so far we’re up to 7 AmericaBloggers calling for the death of their political opponents.

    If you ever want to understand left-wing authoritarianism and violence like you see in Latin America or the Soviet Union, look no further than this site.

  • Sawyer Donk

    He has super pacs representing the working class, not the corporate class. It is who these super pacs represent that matter. If he were taking money from billionaires, then he would be going back on his word. But as it is, he is taking money from nurses and veterans and that is exactly the kind of people Bernie represents.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Maybe you should invest in a dictionary.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Don’t pull a Rove? Like calling the most liberal political and most liberal voting bloc sexist and racist? Because that’s what the Clinton campaign, her surrogates and her supporters are doing.

  • Voodoo Chile

    I’m more interested in Liberal vs Conservative than I am in Democrat vs Republican. The latter leads to Center Right and Very Right parties, like we have now.

  • Michael Hoppe

    The entire Sanders campaign is a parasite on the democratic party. Sanders is not a democrat. It is exactly the same thing as the Trump campaign: a parasite on the republican party. Trump is not a republican.

  • Dodgson

    I’ve long said Bertrand Russell was my favorite philosopher and his “The Practice and Theory of Bolshevism” (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17350/17350-h/17350-h.htm) has long been one of my favorites. I was actually surprised and distressed to learn that Bernie supported the Sandinistas… even more distressed when I learned my mom did too. I am a very far-left liberal on most policies but absolute power corrupts absolutely. Bernie complains that corporations have too much power? Well dictatorships have more. If you cannot be consistent and insist on supporting totalitarian regimes because they agree with you politically than you are a problem.

  • Dodgson

    I agree, that’s absurd. I have no idea what is going through that man’s head right now but I guess I don’t know what is going through the head’s of my facebook friends who are Bernie supporters. Come on now, don’t pull a Rove in 2012… the numbers actually do speak for themselves. I don’t know when so many people that I politically agree with on almost all issues decided that reality doesn’t matter… I used to consider that the main dividing line between liberals and conservatives.

  • Webster

    Yet another person too lazy or too blind to read the link (and another chance to hyperventalize “O.M.G!! Socialismzz!!!1!“). Listen, if you’re happy having your candidate make a fool out of you, more power to you, darling.

  • Dee Bergin Flaherty

    We have shown up because we are sick and tired of you bs cultists and your b.s. No one is paying me. I support Hillary and have for a longtime. Wake the heck up 2.4 million plus in the popular vote/ 220 plus in pledged delegate lead say we are sick and tired of your low info crap. can’t wait til you and your ineffective legislator skip back to Vermont.

  • Dee Bergin Flaherty

    Hillary didn’t purchase them. They are democrats supporting other Democrats. it is called party unity-low info guy. Hillary and President clinton have campaigned and raised money for other democrats for over 30 years. Bernie has done squat. Bernster can’t whine now. He knew how Our party was set up if he doesn’t like it………..We aren’t changing for a Socialist who isn’t a party member.#byebyebs

  • Hopefully, Sanders will get asked in the Brooklyn, NY debate about the details in this comment:

    HEY NEW YORK, PENNSYLVANIA and MARYLAND, what do you want?

    The Biggest Problem Hillary Clinton Will Face In Wyoming – http://www.bustle.com/articles

    “Hillary Clinton has a problem in Wyoming. The Democratic presidential candidate has found it difficult to gain ground in the Cowboy State after speaking out against an industry many residents rely heavily on. Could coal prove to be Clinton’s downfall in Wyoming? One specific comment certainly could.”

    Mrs. Clinton on coal in Ohio debate:

    “I’m the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic
    opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right, Tim?

    And we’re going to make it clear that we don’t want to forget those
    people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing
    their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power
    our factories.

    Now we’ve got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels,
    but I don’t want to move away from the people who did the best they
    could to produce the energy that we relied on.”

    –This plan is extremely detailed at https://www.hillaryclinton.com

    “The most absurd aspect of this whole episode is that Clinton’s intentions toward coal communities are not a mystery, or even an open question. She wants to help them. She has a detailed, thoughtful $30 billion plan to help them, securing their health care and pension benefits, offering tax credits and job training, and pouring economic development money into the region.”

    http://www.vox.com/2016/3/21/1

    What happened? Sanders made the implication that Mrs. Clinton is too tied to fossil fuel industries that she cannot be trusted to do anything for miners.

    Yeah, right better vote vote for Bernie Sanders: http://feelthebern.org/bernie-

    “Other Bernie-initiated bill proposals include the Low Income Solar Act, the Green Jobs Act, and the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant Program. In collaboration with Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.),

    Bernie also introduced legislation to close tax loopholes and eliminate other expensive and counterproductive federal subsidies for the oil, gas, and coal industries with End Polluter Welfare Act.”

    –PAY ATTENTION, IT MIRRORS MRS. CLINTON’s PLAN…
    SO, (SUBSTITUTE STATE PRIMARY), WHAT DO YOU WANT?

    Here is what Jane Sanders promised Wyoming miners (this is not detailed on their website http://feelthebern.org/bernie-

    “Jane Sanders expressed sympathy for the miners and described Sanders’ plan to retrain them. That includes $41 billion over the next decade to transition workers from the fossil fuel industry. The package would ensure miners maintain the same level of wages, pension and health care while obtaining job training and vocational skills — perhaps on the side while they worked in fossil fuels — and to invest in the revitalization of coal communities through improving broadband and infrastructure. The $41 billion would come from closing tax loopholes.”

    http://trib.com/news/state-and

    Oh, I see the loopholes now, but it contradicts itself, yes, talking out of both sides of their mouths, again?

    WTF? No medicare-for-all?

    http://www.wyomingnews.com/new

    (1) Population Laramie County – 31,814
    (2) Cheyenne Population – 62,448
    (3) Albany County Population (2010) – 36,299
    (4) Total Population Wyoming – 584,153 (2014)

    3:02pm – “If we come in within 50-100 votes, that’s a win for Clinton. I can say that here, since Bernie said it for Iowa.”
    Laramie County largest of Wyoming.
    Laramie County, Clinton 731 to Sanders 689.
    Mrs. Clinton wins by surrogate ballots.
    Delegates Clinton 26, Sanders 25.

    “There are many democrats who think Mrs. Clinton is more pragmatic.”
    “There are many women here who want to vote for Mrs. Clinton for president.”
    “Sanders will win but it will be closer than we thought.”

    4:00 Sanders 54% vs Clinton 46%- No blow-out yet 77% caucus sites reporting

    4:30pm Sanders 57% vs Clinton 43%

    930 Sanders vs 300 Clinton

    *********************8,500 Total Caucus Raw Votes

    4:45pm Sanders 56% vs Clinton 44% – 97% caucus sites reporting
    4:46pm Sanders 56% vs Clinton 44% – 98% caucus sites reporting
    4:57pm Sanders 56% vs Clinton 44% – 98% caucus sites reporting

    You decide, sniff-sniff.
    Bernie Sanders 2006 Senate Election Debate – https://www.youtube.com/embed/YGK7N7S_40M
    2006 Senate Run Debate Sanders (I) vs Tarrant (R)
    – Issues Debated:
    Sanders – I believe in trade – trade is good. 32:50
    Sanders – Marriage is a state’s rights issue 27:50
    Sanders – Global warming.
    Sanders – Iran – President Bush misled us. Bring the troops home with a date certain.
    Tarrant – Letter from GE 1986 – Sanders’ anti-business rhetoric hurts Vermont.
    Tarrant – Universal healthcare – Expand Medicare.
    Sanders – Single Payer system administered at the State level.
    Tarrant – Sanders has been saying this for 16 years and has has been ineffective. He wants to let the States experiment with what works. No detail. No substance. No meat.
    Sanders – (On Sanders’ confrontational style of non-compromising policy) Yeah, I will fight for the poor and the middle class.
    Tarrant – You voted against tax relief for the middle class.
    Sanders – Yes, 700 billion in tax cuts for people who didn’t need it. Increase the minimum wage, child care, credits for Hybrid cars, college, etc.
    Tarrant – You chose to hurt the rich at the expense of the middle class, rather than help the middle class while the rich benefit.
    Sanders – North Korea
    Tarrant – Sanders has written 166 bills in 16 years and two – two bills have passed.
    Sanders – Amendments that pass on the floor are more effective.
    Tarrant – Then why write 166 bills – not an effective use of your time.
    Sanders – Patriot Act, Civil Liberties, and the War on Terror
    Tarrant – (On being a business with much wealth and feeling fir the average person). More business persons should be in the House and Senate. They know what businesses think about everyday.
    Sanders – We don’t need more millionaires in congress.
    Tarrant – Well, whomever the people chose there will be one more millionaire.
    Sanders – My wife would like that, but that is not true.
    Tarrant – Tax returns.
    Sanders – When you release your personal returns, I will release mine.
    Tarrant – Your pension alone is worth more than a million dollars.
    Tarrant – (On supreme court justices) – No litmus test (abortion).

    #anarchy2016

  • andtoconclude

    While Hillary is a model of propriety, ethics, and accomplishments, right?

  • Dee Bergin Flaherty

    Same with him hiring Devine. Has Devine ever had a candidate that won??

  • Dee Bergin Flaherty

    Exactly!! Bernie and Weaver can huff and puff all they want!! but there b.s. will be ignored-the rules are the rules. #byebyebernie

  • Wendy Palm

    People being polled are some bots and some republicans and some Democrats. The republicans are lying to skew the polls. They want Sanders to be the candidate so they can make mincemeat of him. Hillary is their worst nightmare.

  • Dee Bergin Flaherty

    When did sanders or any of his low info Campaign members get the right to change Our DNC process?? Bernster knew the rules prior to running in the DNC ticket. He can protest all he wants but it will mean squat.

  • Wendy Palm

    Hillary has been a professional politician for 2 Senate terms. Sanders has been one for 30 years. Not even close to equal time. BUT she accomplished more in 2 terms than he has in 30 years!

  • Wendy Palm

    Agreed. There should be a time requirement. A candidate must have been a registered Democrat for 5 years or so! Funny that Voodoo Chile thinks you sound like a Republican (you don’t). Bernie supporters are bros to T partiers. Zealots are zealots whether they’re conservative, far left wingers or socialists. He has been screaming the same old crap for 40 years. The old dog can’t learn new tricks. No progression there at all. Woman hater too.

  • Wendy Palm

    Obama chose her to be Secretary of State. Bernie voted for her. There’s a very complimentary quote of Bernie’s floating around fb. He supported her candidacy in ’08 so the Burn obviously is now lying.

  • Teresa Welby

    Clinton never played up her inevitability. That has always been a media narative and one used by jelous apponents to make her look bad.

  • Wendy Palm

    You’re so correct about berniebots. They are naive about politics, don’t know the rules or respect them. They lie, cheat, steal , agitate, infiltrate, bully and intimidate. All the while they harm an old man who is in waaay over his head. Sad.

  • Teresa Welby

    Bernie is not going to win the most pledged delegates and he is not going to win the popular vote. There is zero reason for the super delegates to switch to him.

  • Wendy Palm

    They can demand all they want. The rules are the rules are the rules. An Independent non-Democrat isn’t changing OUR rules.

  • Teresa Welby

    Yes I love that one, stealing data then suing the DNC because they held his access to force him to give back the stolen data.

  • Teresa Welby

    Admittedly using the democratic party for free airtime and publicity and then refusing to honor his pledge to raise money for down ticket races. He is the authoritarian.

  • rosietheriveter4

    And yet, it is the Sanders supporters who have launched the “superdelegate hit list” to “harass” superdelegates. But yeah, we’re unhinged.

  • RubyMcGee

    I find him using the Hastert Rule –perfect timing–

  • Pep Streebeck

    We’re not the ones trashing PBO, southern Dems and women who dare to vote for a woman every chance we get.

  • Pep Streebeck

    He flies in private jets. Don’t be so naive.

  • stealthfighter

    Everyone who criticizes Sanders is on the take. DUH. Establishment! Corrupt campaign finance! Wall Street! Lather, rinse, repeat.

  • stealthfighter

    Sanders did NOT become a Democrat. He is running for the Democratic nomination, but he did not join the Democratic party. It shows in his refusal to support the party itself, or to pledge to support downticket candidates.

  • Webster

    You didn’t even bother to read the link, did you? There’s no blindness more comforting than willful blindness.

  • Pep Streebeck

    Hillary has been a democrat a helluva lot longer than Warren. Something tells me you’d never throw that in her face though.

  • Pep Streebeck

    Quick! Change the rules! They must be unfair because a WOMAN might actually win the nomination! *runs wildly around flailing arms*

  • Pep Streebeck

    He’s worse than a racist. He thinks race and gender don’t matter as much as income, so he dismisses any other factors of social identity. It’s asinine and reveals how blind he is to his own privilege and the realities of the world outside of Vermont.

  • Voodoo Chile

    welcome to the new AmericaBlog, a safe space for authoritarians

  • Joshua Brennig

    Bernie voted for regime change in Iraq back in 1998.

  • Joshua Brennig

    Are you talking about the regime change and crime laws that BERNIE voted for? Are you talking about the states’ rights plans Bernie is promoting that would cost people healthcare and fail to pay for tuition? Yeah, you have no idea what you are talking about. So typical of a TeaBerner. HR4655 Look it up, asshole.

  • Joshua Brennig

    NO they don’t. The GOP is supporting Bernie because they want him to be the Dem nominee. He would be effortless to beat. Bernie is using the same ugly GOP smears and talking points against Hillary- that is the only time they agree on anything, and if you had two brain cells to rub together, you would see that as a red flag.

  • Pep Streebeck

    Exactly how long are we supposed to put up with bullshit like this before we’re allowed to react? It’s pretty damn outrageous for Sanders to keep trying to change the rules of a party he doesn’t technically belong to just so he can “win”. I honestly don’t know how anyone can still be supporting him. It’s clear now he has no sense of decency.

  • Joshua Brennig

    You will need to support Hillary Clinton if you want to keep the GOP out of the White House and make sure that the next 3 – 4 Supreme Court justices are appointed by a Democrat. Nothing pisses me off more than some sanctimonious jackass who thinks Hillary supporters need to kiss their ass for their vote, as if YOUR future isn’t just as fucked as mine if a GOP war-monger wins the general election. Do the right thing and stop acting like such a goddamned baby.

  • Joshua Brennig

    Oh if by purchase you mean SUPPORT, then yes, the delegates actually appreciate Hillary Clinton’s $37 million that she raised for downticket Democrats. She has always helped Dems win their local races. It’s called party loyalty, you stupid asshole. Bernie has raised a total of $1500 for downticket candidates, and $1,000 of that was put in the account by the DNC to open it for him. You’re supporting a selfish prick who has no intention of trying to win back seats from Republicans or protect Democratic seats. He wants to destroy the Democratic Party. You’re helping a backstabbing viper.

  • Joshua Brennig

    Bernie Sanders IS a racist. He is holding a rally to harass John Lewis to try to bully him to switch his endorsement from Hillary to Bernie. Bernie rejects Hillary’s wins in Southern states as meaningless because he thinks her support their is from primarily black voters. He doesn’t think they matter.

  • Finn

    Wow, you Clinton supporters really come off as totally unhinged… sheesh!

  • Finn

    He meant Aravosis was a former Republican too, just like Hillary, are you really that dense?

  • Finn

    Right on cue, and “on message” too! Good for you! I hope it pays well.

  • Webster

    Oooo, “Marxism! Don’t forget to check for Bolsheviks under your bed…

  • Finn

    Actually I was referring to all the pro-Clinton /Anti-Bernie commenters who’ve shown up on the last few weeks to support Aravosis’s recent campaign propaganda, but look how far you got with all your wrong assumptions! Good for you!

  • Joshua Brennig

    Clinton is more liberal and progressive than Bernie Sanders. He puts on a good show, but the reality behind the curtain is a long history of inaction and self-promotion. He loves his job titles- Mayor, Senator, VA Chairman, but he doesn’t actually like doing the work. He should have stayed out of political office and had his own radio show. Instead, he’s caused more harm than good by using his offices to grandstand. He voted against the healthcare plan that Hillary Clinton put forth in 1993 because he wanted to promote his OWN plan. He voted down the Brady bill 5x at the critical point in time when we had several pieces of legislation ready to go to get the gun manufacturers on a leash- but because Bernie had enjoyed years of NRA support, he sabotaged the whole plan by sinking one bill. His short-sightedness cost veterans their lives as he ignored complaints about the VA system and dug in his heels to do everything HIS way. He has sunk to new depths in this election by resorting to actual criminal activities. He believes that by calling his campaign a “revolution” he is excused from following the rules. The entire point of democracy is to allow the people to have a voice through fair elections. Bernie’s tactics are anti-democratic and anti-American. Cheating is cheating. Bernie’s supporters need to reject Bernie and his destructive agenda before it’s too late.

  • Amy Fried

    More simplistic vulgar Marxism from a Sanders supporter.

  • Joshua Brennig

    It isn’t baiting this time because it’s TRUE. Bernie is a commie-sucking rat bastard. Some of his visits around the world to various socialist dictators were just one toe over the line from being treasonous. You need to study your candidate. He is woefully unfit for the Senate job he already has, but would be a disaster as president.

  • Joshua Brennig
  • Joshua Brennig

    Supporters of Bernie Sanders are the SCUM of the EARTH. You tolerate his constant LYING, his STEALING of data, SUING the DNC, USING the Democratic Party for money and media exposure, and you not only put up with his CHEATING, you enthusiastically participate in it, undermining the very core of democracy that the founders of this country fought and DIED for!

  • Phil Ostrand

    Well, I think he is generally a good guy. A stand up guy, but that doesn’t mean I want him to be President.

  • timncguy

    You are so uninformed it’s ridiculous. The supers do vote on the 1st ballot. In fact they usually ANNOUNCE what their vote is going to be in advance of the convention.

    In 2008, the supers announced their preference for Obama after it was obvious that Clinton couldn’t catch up in pledged delegates. Clinton conceded to Obama the day after the last primary. Clinton placed Obama’s name into nomination at the ballot. There was no “open” convention in 2008 and there will not be one this year either. Clinton threw all of her weight behind Obama before, during and after the convention. Sanders will be expected to do the same this year unless he wants to become irrelevant in the future.

  • carrie

    Go away Bernie. And take the low info under informed thugs you call supporters with you. You lost.

  • Jennie Salva

    JEEEZ. That last sentence was going way overboard and uncalled for. I don’t agree with his policy statements, as I think they’re unworkable. The man has a HISTORY of not working with his peers in either the Senate or the House, which is why he has so little support. He also has a history in past campaigns, of letting others do the dirty work FOR him, so he can have the appearance of keeping his hands clean. There is very much I do not LIKE about this man, and why I don’t support him.

  • Mawm

    Wow, I just took a brief look at this guy’s comment history.

    Koo-koo

  • Mawm

    I didn’t start out that way. I actually had some respect for him, but I’ve seen him as a sleazy conman since last October. I’ve been saying it since then, but a lot of people I know were giving him the benefit of the doubt. However, there has been a huge defection from him after the New York Daily News Interview. I guess it took seeing it that starkly for people to get that he truly is clueless.

  • Mawm

    Lol, tirelessly fighting for the poor. Yeah, and the NRA.

  • Mawm

    Mensch is like, amazing stand-up person.

  • Mawm

    I would never call him a mensch. He is far from it.

  • Mawm

    Lol, is this your first time at the rodeo? In 2008, Obama team collected the first ballot from people’s hotels rooms. There was no first ballot on the floor. We’ll do the same this year. The Democratic party isn’t going to let Sanders team crap all over the proceedings.

  • Keith Watts

    The supers don’t vote on the first ballot, or they havent except for one time. I think Bernie needs a majority of pledge delegates to have a legitimate claim on the nomination, but get it right on supers, who only vote if the convention is gridlock ed after several ballots.

  • stealthfighter

    ever notice how whenever someone says something negative about Sanders they’re always a shill who’s bought and paid for by Hillary?

  • stealthfighter

    ever notice how whenever someone says something negative about Sanders they’re a shill who’s bought and paid for by Hillary?

  • stealthfighter

    The two candidates had a well-publicized meeting at the home of Dianne Feinstein two days after the last primary in 2008, on the same day that she unequivocally pledged to support Obama if he were the nominee. She formally conceded two days after that meeting. What was discussed is anybody’s guess, and it’s certainly possible that he offered her a role in his administration. There’s nothing wrong with that. Throughout the ’08 race she consistently maintained that she intended to stay in it through the last primary. She never made the kind of threats that Sanders is making to overturn the popular vote through the use of superdelegates, even though she had much broader support among supers than sanders has now. Based on current polling today her lead by the end will be over 400 pledged delegates; Obama’s was only 115. Sanders just doesn’t have a legitimate claim to continue this fight past June 14.

  • goulo

    “If we’re lucky he’ll die before the month is over.”

    Seriously? This is what AmericaBlog has come to? Comments like this?

  • goulo

    But it’s still strange to say it. Sure, it’s not literally an insult, but what relevance does it have to point out that Sanders is Jewish? Like saying “The Jew is confused.”

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  • Amwatching2c

    He’s Bernie’s Behind. Look at him briefly with your eye crossed. That bald head twice? How sick I’ve become, Damn Bernie.

  • Doug105

    Looks like someones spare trolling account. Even the up-votes are from fairly new accounts, little self love.

  • Amwatching2c

    Why would they derail a negative ad campaign footage, at no cost to them? Did you ever wonder where all the donations were coming from?

  • Doug105

    Oh, I’d say he’s spot on about some of Bernie’s fan club. The rest not as much.

  • Absolutely! They pay us in hookers (male or female as one prefers) and coke mainly, although gobs of free cash are available in a large punchbowl by the door. Because y’see, obviously there’s no way we’d have opinions which disagree with YOURS unless we were paid to have them.

    You should see what the Republicans are being paid not to be Bernie-supporting Democrats. It’s embarrassing. I mean, just imagine how much it would take to convince an otherwise sane person to give up all their principles and human decency just to support Trump or Cruz. I know I couldn’t do it, so my DNC/SuperPac job here is to portray a voice of supposed reason — someone who supports Sanders but (1) has a realistic opinion as to his chances to win the nomination and (2) will vote for whomever the Democrats nominate for President, as well as all the down-ticket candidates.

    So, who’s paying you to do the whole “ad hominem / you can’t possibly have those opinions unless paid to have them” schtick? Was it O’Malley? Or Lieberman?

    /s

  • Charles Clark

    Nope, I’m calling a spade a spade, or in this case a lying marxist trojan horse. He’s not a Democrat, he’s doing his best to destroy the Democratic party, and now he wants them to change the rules to make it easier for him to do it. The old rat knows if he somehow got elected, the republicans would wipe up the floor with his red ass. He doesn’t care. He somehow has got a hair up his ass and only wants to destroy the Democrats by taking them down with him.

    Which is why I have come to believe that many of his supporters, INCLUDING YOU, are nothing but paid repukelikan plants in the employ of Karl Rove or the RNC.

    Since the rest of this thread shows that you work hard to collect your blood money. I assume you”ll have some bullshit reply before my keys are even cold bother. I detest pissblooded teapukelikan spies even more than COMRADE bernie’s deluded sheeple. You’ll be wasting your time, since I won’t see it and anyone who cares knows I won’t.

    Dos vedanya, tovarisch

  • Voodoo Chile

    Red baiting like a Republican.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Hillary supporters are prone to hatred. It comes naturally to them.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Even Republicans acknowledge that Bernie is honest and trustworthy, even if they don’t agree with his liberalism.

    Which is funny, because one of the things Hillary and her supporters say is how much more likely it is that Republicans will work with her. She’s reviled by the Republicans (usually for things that are untrue or ridiculous), so it’s a hollow argument. What she really means is that she’ll work with Republicans to incrementally move this country to the right, so we can have more middle eastern wars of aggression and an economy dominated by the financial sector. That’s why her logo this year has a red arrow pointing to the right.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Well it most definitely makes poster LH 100% wrong.

  • Phil in FLL

    That timeline is accurate in Hillary’s case, but a little off in the case of John Aravosis. John was a newborn when Goldwater announced his candidacy for the 1964 election… which I think makes John younger than you, no?

  • Finn

    How does one get one of these paid commenter jobs? Do Super PACs really pay that well?

  • MyrddinWilt

    Weever is Naderite. The fact that Bernie hired him demonstrates remarkably poor judgement.

  • Gracie Bean

    Ditto

  • timncguy

    can’t wait til they invite Bernie to their convention ala Lieberman

  • Phil in FLL

    What fun. Like a surprise birthday party for Bernie’s 75th birthday in September.

  • timncguy

    the Rs know all of this already. It just wouldn’t serve them to bring it out NOW! They want to have Bernie to run against. It’s their dream!

  • Amwatching2c

    Bern for Trump, The one thing I agree, he’s absolutely right: Hillary Clinton doesn’t have the judgment to be president,” Trump said.

  • Phil in FLL

    Part 2: Eugene Debs

    Bernie’s lifelong hero is the early-20th-century union political activist, Eugene Debs. It makes sense that Debs is Bernie’s hero because Debs was a truly legendary union organizer. In this capacity, average Americans would regard Debs sympathetically. Debs was also an anti-war protester whose 1918 speech against the WWI draft in Canton, Ohio earned him two years in prison for sedition. Here too, the American public would likely side with Debs. Bernie has a picture of Debs hanging in his Senate office, and in 1979 Bernie produced a documentary of Debs’ life for which Bernie used his own funds. Now that’s real devotion. But there’s one major problem tucked inside Debs’ 1918 speech that Bernie would have been wise to distance himself from—but never did. Picture the scene later this year at RNC headquarters. Reince Priebus has to dig up some negatives on Bernie, but he’s too busy playing video games or watching porn, so he tells some unfortunate underling to read the Eugene Debs’ entire 1918 speech. Pity the poor RNC underling as he grumbles…

    “Why do I have to read this boring shit? Union workers, union workers, blah, blah, blah. Don’t sign up for the draft, more blah, blah, blah…” [Then the RNC underling freezes, momentarily stunned. He looks up the date of the Boshevik Revolution: November, 1917. He looks up the date of Debs’ speech in Canton, Ohio: June, 1918. The RNC underling goes back to the passage in Debs’ speech which follows Debs’ glowing assessment of Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky]:

    Here, in this alert and inspiring assemblage our hearts are with the Bolsheviki of Russia. Those heroic men and women, those unconquerable comrades have by their incomparable valor and sacrifice added fresh luster to the fame of the international movement. Those Russian comrades of ours have made greater sacrifices, have suffered more, and have shed more heroic blood than any like number of men and women anywhere on earth; they have laid the foundation of the first real democracy that ever drew the breath of life in this world.

    “The first real democracy that ever drew the breath of life in this world”?! WTF?! Lenin and Trotsky’s first act, upon gaining power, was to have the parliament members of all parties other than the Boshevik’s arrested and either imprisoned or sent to some gulag in Siberia. Eugene Debs’ 1918 speech, made seven months after Lenin and his Bolsheviks stunned the world by smothering Russia’s nascent democracy to death in its cradle, was widely acknowledged as the most important speech of his life. If Bernie Sanders had been wise, he would have at least made clear that he wanted nothing to do with Debs’ admiration for Lenin, Trotsky and the Bolshevik’s. To my knowledge, Bernie has not yet done that. It’s easy to imagine the Republican attack ads against Bernie that would be running 24/7, complete with the Soviet national anthem playing in the background. It also doesn’t help that Bernie spent his honeymoon with his second wife in the former Soviet Union, which Republicans are already starting to grumble about. Gentle reader, if I were you, I wouldn’t bank on current opinion polls of hypothetical matches between Bernie and Republican candidates. The Republicans may be too stupid and too lazy to discover all of this, but believe me, they won’t be too stupid and too lazy for long.

  • Charles Clark

    The DNC made a huge mistake allowing this unrepentant old communist to run as a Democrat. Its clear now that Comrade Sanders isn’t trying to win. He’s out for some addlebrained reason of his own to cripple or destroy the Democratic party. And now that the old fool and his sleazy advisors are out of their lilly white caucuses which they can disrupt with their busloads of out of state gravy trainers, he wants them to change the rules. FOR HIM? The old commie clearly has not reconciled with democracy, whatever he pretends to be. And the Party SHOULD now change the rules – so that only registered Democrats certified by the state central committees are credentialled for the convention.

    Dos vedanya, tovarisch bernie

  • I like and prefer Sanders but I don’t see him as the Democratic Party messiah and I’m perfectly willing to respect other people’s candidate choices if they’ll respect my right to mine.

    It’s a shame though you have such a low opinion of anybody who supports Sanders now, because if Clinton is the nominee as many of us already suspect will happen, she’s going to need Sanders supporters in order to win.

    This is why despite my personal choice, I have already long vowed to vote for whomever the Democrats nominate for President and Vice President — and every other down-ticket Democrat I can vote for.

  • Plus I have a suspicion that Obama offered Clinton the SecState position or it was part of the quid pro quo of not causing a major convention floor fight.

  • Doug105

    If only we could let everyone meet Cruz.

  • Phil in FLL

    The 2008 Democratic primary gives us some guidelines for a close race that are both fair and workable. The existence of superdelegates is not necessarily counterproductive as long as there is an understanding that the superdelegates validate the will of the voters as expressed in both the number of pledged delegates (who are awarded proportionately) and the totals of votes cast nationwide. This understanding worked exactly as advertised in the 2008 Democratic primaries. As the primaries came to an end, the Obama campaign lobbied superdelegates with two closely related arguments: the number of pledged delegates and the number of ballots cast, and these are really the only two arguments that carry any moral weight because these are the only two arguments that rely on the will of the people.

    Bernie’s current argument, which he has made at various times, is that the superdelegates should switch their support to him based on opinion polls of hypothetical matches with Republican candidates, even if Hillary has more pledged delegates and ballots cast nationwide. This is an invalid argument simply because we do not award people elected office based on whether they are winning opinion polls. People only win elected office based on the results of actual elections. My guess is that superdelegates, if approached after the last large group of primaries on June 7, will say that they will only consider switching their support based on the two valid arguments of pledged delegates and/or ballots cast. Superdelegates know, as everyone else does, that anything can happen during the course of a campaign, and opinion polls will change correspondingly. This is especially of true about a candidate, such as Bernie, that the public knows relatively little about. Republicans have been bashing Hillary for the last 25 years, but they haven’t even begun to bash Bernie. What would happen if they did, I wonder, and what would happen to those opinion polls if they did? Funny you should ask. See Part 2.

  • Doug105

    Polls also show most of mississippi agrees with the new anti-trans bathroom bill(mind that’s far from all it is, but is how it’s polled) still doesn’t make it right.

  • Doug105

    Maybe Disqus should move to a rating system.

  • I know, I’ve seen similar hints over the last few weeks. Now they’re coming right out and saying Clinton has to have 2,383 pledged (not super) delegates.

    Thing is, except for some outliers and minor upsets, the primary season has gone pretty much as the polls have predicted. Sanders has been very strong in the caucuses and most of the western states — but these are nearly all low-population states and so they don’t have as many delegates to win. Clinton has been strong in the bigger states (excepting only Washington state) or at least meeting expectations and targets, but often exceeding them. Unlike in 2008, awarded delegates are supposed to be totally proportional this time.

    One can chart and predict the narrative, too. Early on, the Clinton camp was trying to play up their inevitability due to a number of early wins. Five weeks ago though, I was already telling my spouse, “Just watch — Sanders is going to do reasonably well in the upcoming contests because most of them are caucuses and/or western rural-ish states. And expect the narrative to be that he’s somehow developed heretofore unexpected momentum and as such he’s supposed to be ceded the nomination. But I’m saying right now the races mostly aren’t upsets at all but expected outcomes.”

    I’ll lay the marker down right now: By or shortly after May 3rd, the narrative will swap sides again, because Clinton is expected to win nearly all of the upcoming states — New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware and Indiana. I think Sanders leads in Rhode Island. (Personally, I think it’ll be by April 26, but I’m trying to be conservative in the guesstimate, and Indiana is pretty big.) Mind, with his current delegate deficit, Sanders needs not just to do reasonably well in all of those states, but win a solid majority of those 714 delegates in those races. I just don’t see it happening. Even if he upset-wins a couple of those states by a few percent, it still isn’t going to be enough.

    After those contests, the last two really big prizes are California and New Jersey — but again, Sanders is lagging in the polls in both of them. Plus apparently California’s delegate apportionment is a little weird which would make sweeping the state very difficult.

    I agree with you though: I like Sanders. I prefer him. But I continue to cringe a little at the finger-waving old man persona and know damned well the GOPers would characterize him as some kind of pot-smoking bomb-throwing ex-hippy communist from a tiny New England state. With plenty of anti-Semitic dog-whistling on the side. (Which isn’t to say there aren’t volumes of inevitable swift-boating attacks already being set up for Clinton if she’s the nominee…)

  • stealthfighter

    That’s a standard that no candidate has ever been held to before. Clinton herself conceded after the last primary in 2008, even though her pledged delegate lead was only about 115, and in ’08 there were well over 800 superdelegates to the convention. She could have made the same case Sanders is making here, but she didn’t, because the VOTERS had spoken, and she rightly recognized that it was time to get behind the winner and unify the party. Sanders is and has always been in this for himself and only himself. He doesn’t care in the least about the Democratic party. He’s a spoiler, plain and simple.

  • Doug105

    Try Killfile that add-on that lets you personally flag a Someone you feel truly deserves it by collapsing their comments for you.

    https://github.com/fizbin/killfile-extension

  • stealthfighter

    I find him utterly insufferable.

  • stealthfighter

    Hillary conceded the primary race in 2008 after the last primary when it was clear Obama had won more pledged delegates. His advantage was not so large that she couldn’t have beaten him with the support of most superdelegates (in fact, he only led by about 115 total delegates not including superdelegates), but she correctly judged that fighting all the way to the convention would subvert the electoral process and undermine party unity. Whichever candidate finds him or herself with fewer pledged delegates on June 15 needs to do the same, and work to unify the party behind the nominee. Sanders’ pledge to fight all the way to the convention is a scorched earth policy and will only deepen divisions and acrimony within the party. It’s self-serving and toxic.

  • Danielle Cahn

    Totally understandable. Frankly its hard not to hate him. Especially after reading some of his supporters’ comments

  • Cynthia Williams

    Polls of people who have actually met with and dealt with Bernie?

  • Cynthia Williams

    Hmmm. Shades of Donald Trump? It isn’t as if the delegate rules were a closely held secret.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Polls show that Bernie is the most likeable candidate.

  • Voodoo Chile

    I think you forgot to also call him a racist.

  • timncguy

    I really thing Bernie has been saying the same thing himself. It was a week or so ago that both Bernie and his campaign manager were touting the theory that even if they arrive at the convention with fewer pledged delegates, the supers will have “other criteria” to consider in making their decision. That “other criteria” has always been about the polls showing he does better than Clinton against the Rs in the general. Of course, those polls don’t mean much at this point because no one from the R side has been bashing Bernie with negative oppo research yet.

  • Voodoo Chile

    I like this subtle pivot to “voting to continue wars in the Middle East.” George W. Bush and the Kissinger wing of the Democratic Party voted for war, while liberal Democrats voted no. I don’t see any particular shame in voting to continue funding to try to clean up a mess that pro-war democrats supported.

  • LH

    Jack*##

  • Let’s face facts: Neither Clinton nor Sanders is the Second Coming of the Democratic Party Messiah. They are both career politicians. Running in a tightly contested race requires all of the tools of politics and campaigning, including trying to maintain an air of inevitability because people like to support winners.

    If the numbers were going the other direction, I have no doubt the Clinton campaign would be spinning the impossibility of Sanders achieving enough support to win the nomination — even if it takes hand-waving and number fudging.

    It pays to look at the message behind the message and to pay attention to the history of the various campaign statements. As Sanders’ popularity began to surge, it was all about how he was going to come from behind and beat Clinton — just as Obama did in 2008 — and that Clinton had best be ready and willing to release her already endorsed super-delegates. Then, as Sanders failed to acquire enough popular support and delegates as the weeks went by, esp. after Super Tuesday, the message changed from a prediction of outright victory to complaints that Clinton had best not win through super delegates if Sanders had more pledged delegates and/or a higher popular vote count.

    Now, it still looks like Clinton will go into the convention ahead on pledged delegate counts, more than a few million on the popular vote margin, and would still win the nom if for some unknown reason the super-delegates decided to split themselves down the middle, which they won’t do. So now the goal posts are being moved again and the Sanders campaign (that is, this Weaver guy) says Clinton isn’t allowed to win with even one super-delegate vote. Even though by that standard, Clinton would’ve been the nominee in ’08.

    I’m not surprised though this came from a campaign manager and not the candidate himself.

    The Democrats aren’t the GOP. They know how to play electoral hard-ball, but there is not going to be a civil war. Nor do I believe there will be a truly contested nomination for the DNC.

  • LH

    Right, because your guy voted for the 1994 crime law–and was proud of it! Sanders is such a hypocrite!

  • LH

    You and the other Sanders fans seem to have very low opinions of anyone who doesn’t find him the equivalent if the Second Coming. Sorry, people disagree with him because 1) his ideas are unworkable, 2) he’s hypocritical (Sen Leahy from VT could vote for the Brady Bill but Sanders voted against it 5 times–and put the onus on the citizens of Vermont), 3) he’s just plain unlikeable, and 4) he has an ego that never stops–and not because they’re “bought” by Hillary or anyone else.

  • jondavwal

    Sure whatever. He moved to a white affluent state and won’t release his tax returns. Whatever you say. But being poor, which he isn’t, doesn’t make one better. Being rich doesn’t make one worse. He’s a fraud and a hypocrite. Tirelessly fighting for the poor. Please. Lol. Videos from the 60s. You people are all so full of shit it’s amusing.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Yeah, why won’t he leave “democrats” like you to enjoy your uncontested primaries, political dynasties, middle eastern wars, tough-on-crime drug laws, and middle-class destroying trade pacts?

  • Voodoo Chile

    Here’s why John looks like a paid shill. He’s been pretty much retired from this website for a very long time, and suddenly reemerges to write hate-filled screeds against Bernie Sanders on a daily basis. The timing is curious too, with the Hillary campaign announcing that they are now going scorched earth after a string of Sanders victories.

    John also has this on his linked in profile: “Work collaboratively and discreetly with diverse stakeholders, including the White House, Congress, NGOs, media, businesses, and advocates to successfully promote marketing messages and policy goals.” It’s really not unreasonable to accuse him of being a paid propagandist.

    I’ve been reading this blog since the early 2000s, so I’m familiar with the work John used to put out. His work these days is pure crap and naked propaganda.

  • Voodoo Chile

    I hope the woman who thought he was icky up until 2013 gives him a job.

  • timncguy

    Jane Sanders just stated on MSNBC that she needs time to go home before she can get past years’ tax returns from the files to release them. But, Fri morning she will be jetting off to Italy with Bernie. So, when does she plan to go home to get those past returns and release them? She also said she will release FULL DETAILS of past taxes, not summary pages.

    DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH

    Sanders camp is now also claiming a single digit loss in NY would be a win for Sanders.

  • Voodoo Chile

    This comment is entirely indicative of what AmericaBlog as become: A place for the Kissinger wing of the Democratic Party to have their 2 minutes of daily hate against the dirty fucking hippies.

    Now we have people calling for the death of Bernie Sanders and being up-voted for doing so. Welcome to the new AmericaBlog – where violent authoritarians come to find a safe space.

  • nicho

    Truth never gets old.

  • nicho

    No. It’s just that those Goldwater Girls stick together.

  • ADDISON GAINOUS

    Yeah, ego none at all. That is the part of him that has been simmering beneath the surface since the beginning. Maybe it’s because I am a woman or hell I don’t know, but I do know for some reason I could sense that flaw in his personality fairly early. Also, you can tell he does not have very much respect for women. Oh my–I think I know how I knew, reminds me of my dad.

  • Badgerite

    Because he is all about idealism and character. Except when it is inconvenient to his ambition. No ego there.

  • andyou

    So the guy who spent 30 years of his life tirelessly fighting for the poor and middle class, (tons of it documented on tape) whose lived a modest lifestyle (he flies coach!) and has been right about deregulation, the Iraq war, bad trade deals, etc. is somehow a bad person and the woman who has used her insider status to enrich herself by eleven million dollars in two years from speaking fees from corporations and banks and was the architect of our military intervention in Libya that turned that country into a failed state and haven for ISIS is the good one? Get some perspective!

  • Webster

    Gee, that just doesn’t sound fair. I mean Hillary purchased those delegates in the first place and it is all about money isn’t it, when we’re talking about the Clintons?

    “It’s worse than wicked, my dear, it’s vulgar”

    http://bit.ly/1RPO3bT

  • ADDISON GAINOUS

    I’m with the guy below. Buck Fernie. Every single day he seems closer and closer to actually believing his own hype. I am sick of him, sick of his nut bag followers and way past anger at the crap he continues to say about Hillary–it is disgraceful.

  • Amwatching2c

    Death throws of beaten campaign. Burn For Trump commercials. The DNC should bill him for their support. I still say Bernie’s Behind.

  • Phil in FLL

    Again, the meme has passed its expiration date. Repetition only makes it trollish.

  • timncguy

    Look, the Sanders camp has been continually moving the goal posts throughout this process each time it appears that one avenue to the nomination gets closed off to his campaign.

    At first, everyone agreed that the candidate with the majority of pledged delegates should receive the backing of the super delegates.

    Then the super delegates should support the candidate who gets the most popular vote.

    The they changed to wanting the super delegates to support the candidate that won their state.

    Now they want the super delegates to wait until the convention and at that point use some ephemeral criteria that Sanders comes up with at that time that favors him over Clinton.

    Next week a new theory of the case will be born.

  • Aqualad33

    Is everyone who disagrees with you on the take?

  • Aqualad33

    OK, but then admit your hopes of Sanders winning the nomination relies not on winning the pledged delegate race but on something MAGICAL happening between the end of the primaries and July 25. And by MAGICAL, I mean whatever GOP talking points you care to appropriate for your own use on any given day coming true…

  • Phil Ostrand

    Do you know what mensch means?

  • Aqualad33

    So Weaver didn’t say, “If you look at the math, if you want to talk about math, the truth is is that it is very, very, very unlikely that either candidate, either Secretary Clinton or Sen. Sanders, will go into the convention with a majority needed of pledged delegates in order to win.”

    What did he mean by that? You tell me. It’s pretty clear, but I’d love to hear your version of “the truth”….

  • Fireblazes

    Right on!

  • Fireblazes

    Chill Darlin”, we don’t call you BernieBros: teabaggers, I think the proper term is Sandbagger.

  • Aqualad33

    Hugo Montoya on your Facebook Newsfeed is wrong. Weaver said, “If you look at the math, if you want to talk about math, the truth is is that it is very, very, very unlikely that either candidate, either Secretary Clinton or Sen. Sanders, will go into the convention with a majority needed of pledged delegates in order to win.” Fine, but he’s explicitly saying that if Clinton cannot claim that 2,383 number before superdelegates cast their lot, then they will have a contested convention. Which means, in essence, she can only avoid a contested convention if she gets to 2,383 BEFORE the convention. Which means 59% of remaining pledged delegates because those are the only one technically available before the convention.

    So, no, Hugo Montoya on your Facebook Newsfeed’s interpretation is absurd. You’re using the 2,383 metric without factoring in the superdelegates, who WILL NOT under any circumstances go against the candidate who gets to 2,026 delegates. Believing they would or PINNING THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR CAMPAIGN ON THE BELIEF THEY WOULD is ABSURD.

  • Fireblazes

    Buck Fernie!

  • 2patricius2

    The shouting reminds me of a couple college and university teachers I had. They started their classes in a normal tone of voice, but it got louder and louder until they were shouting. The only way I could cope was to go into a semi-trance to tune out the shouting. I really do have difficulty reading and concentrating on posts of all caps.

    Nevertheless, I totally disagree with you. I have been in situations where an interloper enters an organization or a meeting, and attempts to take over from people who have been working for the organization for years. It sure feels like bullying when such a person attempts to steamroll the whole group. And not surprisingly it is often men who attempt to steamroll women.

    And by the way, attempting to shout someone down and cursing at them is a form of bullying.

  • Mary Ann

    Yes! It’s like when Hillary ran for POTUS last time & was the favorite and John was in the tank for her from the beginning… Except he wasn’t, he was certain that Obama would be the better candidate from the get go and he pissed off a number of Clinton supporters who had donated to his site (cough::me) until they realized that John would take his position based on his own research even if it lost him $$. Any old timer Hillary fan will be able to confirm this…

    The assertions that those supporting the other guy (or girl) is a paid shill is ridiculous and insulting. I’ve never said a negative word against Sanders and in fact have often said the Dems are lucky to have 2 good candidates but the first very pro-Clinton tweet I made last week after deciding that the Bern was making me cranky was met by a number of angry tweets from people certain that I’m being paid by Clinton …even after explaining that I’m a freaking Canadian who can’t vote but is just interested in the race, I was hit with accusations. (Like opinionated 55yr old women are a rare thing and we’ll only opine when paid to do so)

  • Demosthenes

    “Mensch” means “gentleman” in Yiddish. It’s no insult.

  • Demosthenes

    Assuming Ms. Clinton wins the majority of elected delegates, and has a majority of primary votes, the primary election is effectively over. The few superdelegates siding with Mr. Sanders will jump over to Secy. Clinton, not vice a versa.

    Let’s hope New York effectively ends “Bernie’s” campaign before he starts helping out The Donald or “Ted” Cruz with his trolling.

  • Voluptueux

    First of all, ouch with the shouting. Secondly, 2patricius2 is right. Sanders is on record as saying he would never be a democrat. But now he is running as a democrat only because it was politically expedient for him to do so and not because he believes in or supports the Democratic party – see his big, fat ZERO dollars in fundraising for down ticket dems. I mean, really? He thinks the super-delegates of the Democratic party for whom he has done nothing and continues to do nothing, will turn their support from the woman who has worked for 40+ years to raise money for the Democratic party, has campaigned for the Democratic party, has helped Democrats get elected… Okay. Pipe dream.

  • Moderator3

    Why are you shouting? It’s accepted tradition that all caps is considered to be shouting online. This time it will remain. Next time it will disappear.

  • woah caps

  • timncguy

    But sanders is saying u have to get to the total without counting super delegates. Thus 59%

  • BrianG

    I am sorry, didn’t Zephyr Teachout of the Howard Dean campaign state that Jerome Armstrong and Markos Moulitsas were two prominent liberal bloggers that the Dean campaign paid for favorable “coverage.” So please don’t patronize skeptics who might question why a website entrepreneur who quit blogging after sinking $50,000 into Americablog, might be angling for a job with the Clinton Administration. I didn’t write his LinkedIn page, he did.

  • sticksandstones

    This jacka## can’t fade back into obscurity fast enough.

  • sticksandstones

    Take off the tinfoil hat.

  • Thom Prentice

    WHAT A DEFIANTly IGNORANT, TEA-BAGGER/SARAH PALIN-LIKE REMARK. YOU CAN’T BE A BULLY IF YOU HAVE NO POWER> HILLARY HAS THE POWER OF INCUMBENCY VIA “INEVITABILITY”. SO BACK THE FUCK OFF.

  • Thom Prentice

    WHO IS NARCISSISTIC? lololol

  • Thom Prentice

    See above, And was that an anti-Semitic epithet you used?

  • Thom Prentice

    NO IT IS NOT ABSURD AND EVEN BETTER IT IS ACCURATE. Per Hugo Montoya on my Facebook Newsfeed: “This misrepresents what the guy said. I did the math weeks ago, so I remember these numbers. 4051 pledged delegates plus 715 super delegates = 4766 delegated votes. Fifty percent of that is 2383, the number the guy is citing. It’s 59% of pledged delegates, but it’s 50% of the total number.”

  • Phil Ostrand

    The Mensch is confused. he thinks he is in the Senate where you need 60% to get anything done…

  • BrianG

    You should check out john’s LinkedIn webpage. One of the bullet points states: “Work collaboratively and discreetly with diverse stakeholders, including
    the White House, Congress, NGOs, media, businesses, and advocates to
    successfully promote marketing messages and policy goals.” He is working “discreetly” right now, and he hopes to be rewarded with a job. He is certainly entitled to his opinions, but since he returned to blogging after his UNDP job ended, he has as you say become “blatant” in his partisanship both here and in his twitter feed. BTW he and I worked at the Daily Illini at the same time during the 1980s.

  • kladinvt

    The daily Aravosis diatribe against Bernie. Again, how much is HillaryInc paying you?

  • jondavwal

    I’m prone to hyperbole. What can I say? I hate this man.

  • Danielle Cahn

    Totally agree with everything said except for that last bit. Well… And the first. I don’t think we can say he’s a “bad person”. There’s no need to deride his character and I certainly don’t want him to drop dead. However, this notion that he has the moral high ground is increasingly offensive in light of recent comments by him and by Weaver. To make matters worse, any attempt Hillary supporters make to point this out falls on deaf ears. Bernie supporters just don’t want to hear it, and, as a result, risk coming across more as zealots than educated voters.

  • jondavwal

    Bernie Sanders is just a bad person, end of story. It’s been obvious since day one. Narcissistic, dishonest, and ignorant. He’s a career politician who’s never held any other full-time job in his life, yet he’s an outsider. He claims both political parties are corrupt yet he runs as a Democrat to get DNC funds and to get more “media attention”. He accuses everyone else of secrecy yet refuses to release his tax returns. He promises 500 million things then can’t explain how any one of them are possible. He attacks his adversary because “she started it” based on a botched headline without even bothering to read the articles. He claims super delegates subvert the will of the people, then he claims he will win the nomination with super delegates even is he goes to the convention with substantially fewer delegates than she has. A fraction of his supporters are lunatics. 8 in 10 of them say they will support Clinton if it comes to that. The other 2 we don’t need to win. They can all drown in their own bile. Sanders has shown himself to be as disgusting as politics gets. If we’re lucky he’ll die before the month is over.

  • doug dash

    My candidate rules. Your candidate eats every dick in the bag.

  • hiker_sf

    “So what Sanders is in essence now doing. . .”

    lol! Not until the last paragraph to own that, “in essence”, you are fabricating the truth.

  • Tyler

    This is shit journalism. The number is 2,383. If neither of them get it, it goes to convention. This is a fucking election for God’s sake, any number of things could happen between now and the convention resulting in unforeseeable circumstances. Get your head out of HRC’s ass.

  • RickRollington

    You know you are reading some fabricated garbage when the author doesn’t even bother to include a single citation.

    There is not a single piece of evidence supporting these wild accusations.

    All the Sanders campaign said is if she doesn’t have the number of pledged delegates needed to win that they will challenge her as the nominee. Considering the Democratic Party has a rule in place about the number of pledged delegates needed to secure the nomination, which is not a simple majority, it seems that Aravosis’s beef is with the Democratic Party for having such a rule in the first place.

    Of course, we already know that Aravosis has revealed himself to be a Republican given his obsession with taxation and his preference fora candidate who loves invading countries and toppling regimes.

  • Essus

    Gee, could you be anymore blatant in your partisanship? Since you have tossed aside any pretense at being a news source I find myself putting you on the ignore list. Good luck to you in the future, you will need it.

  • 2patricius2

    Sounds like bullying to me. Sanders became a Democrat so he could run for president. Now he is trying to steamroller himself to the nomination, running over the Democratic Party in the process? He is still not pouring any of his money into getting Democrats elected on the national and state level. What kind of allegiance is he showing to the party that allowed him to join and run as a member? Hopefully this report does not reflect how Sanders will really act when/if Clinton is nominated.

  • Karla Vogel

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    you should check this out too I have lost quite a bit of weight 29.2 lbs to be precise
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