Love Her, Love Her Not: Our complicated relationship with Hillary Clinton

A few months ago, I picked up a copy of Love Her, Love Her Not: The Hillary Paradox, a collection of essays edited by founder of The Broad Side and friend of AMERICAblog Joanne Bamberger. I read it; I enjoyed it; I wasn’t sure what to make of it.

I wasn’t sure what to make of it because, like many of the authors featured in the collection, I wasn’t sure what to make of Hillary Clinton.

Those of you who have payed relatively close attention to what I’ve written over the course of the past year know that I’m somewhat conflicted about our likely Democratic nominee. There are a lot of descriptors that apply to her, and they don’t fit together in a neat package: Feminist. Devout. HawkCentrist. Liberal. Pragmatic. It turns out that Hillary Clinton, person that she is, is complicated. While some of the individual things she says and does can be classified as binary goods or bads, it is impossible to classify her, her candidacy or what she represents in such terms.

I revisited Love Her, Love Her Not last week, and now I know what to make of it: Delivered from the point of view of 28 women with a wide range of backgrounds, professions and ideological orientations, the book distills what have been the central themes of the Democratic primary race since I first read it, detailing the promise — and frustrations — posed by Clinton’s candidacy. The refusal to put Hillary Clinton into a “good” or “bad” box is what makes Love Her, Love Her Not so useful. It serves as a proxy for the considerations that millions of Americans are making right now concerning the woman who more likely than not will soon become the most powerful person in the world.

The narratives are personal. They are subjective. But hey, guess what? So is politics. Our considerations regarding who to vote for, and what our votes mean, are personal and subjective. That’s what makes them interesting.

Hillary Clinton in Cleveland, screenshot via YouTube

Hillary Clinton in Cleveland, screenshot via YouTube

Some of our considerations are material. KJ Dell’Antonia, for instance, argues that Clinton should champion paid family and medical leave on the trail in the vein of It Takes a Village to Raise a Child. Since the book’s publication, Clinton has since come out in favor of the policy, but against the way Democrats in the Senate (and Bernie Sanders) want to pay for it. Other considerations, however, are highly personal. In the first essay featured in the book, Deb Rox notes how important it is to her that someone who had to work “twice as hard under ten times the scrutiny” holds the highest office in the land. And while there’s a measurable debate to be had over whether funding paid family and medical leave through a payroll tax is better policy and/or worse politics than doing so through a high-end income tax, it’s really hard to put a number on just how important it is that women make the representational gains that Clinton signifies.

Much of the debate in the Democratic primary has turned on this precise question: How important are these representational gains relative to the material gains proposed by Bernie Sanders? Do hawkish foreign policies and at times vicious derision of the poor warrant withholding support from a supremely competent executive who represents a major step forward for the legitimation of women as men’s equals in society? It isn’t that controversial to say that, all things being equal, one should vote for a female candidate over a male candidate due to intangible representational gains, but all things are never equal. There are very real differences between Clinton and Sanders on core economic issues, and the two hold highly distinct understandings of politics and a different set of priorities. Democratic voters around the country who are inclined to lean to Clinton’s left on these matters have been forced to wrestle with the question of whether Clinton’s representational gains are enough to outweigh what edge they may see Sanders as having on the issues. As Lisa Solod phrased this frustration, “It is hard to garner much enthusiasm for a candidate who, despite her gender, seems an awful lot like everyone else who has ever run the United States.”

That said, as libertarian writer Emily Zanotti pointed out in her contribution to Love Her, Love Her Not, representational gains promised by Clinton aren’t at all insignificant:

[Clinton] is the reason that Republicans welcomed Sarah Palin into their loving embrace, regardless of whether Hillary herself considers that an achievement. She’s the reason that nomination short-lists today are full of female presidential contenders. She’s the reason that any female seeking elected office receives serious consideration. It may be the play of demographics—after all, fulfilling quotas is far from real feminism—but forward movement toward fair representation, no matter what’s fueling it, is a marked success.

However, while Hillary Clinton’s status as a woman is undoubtedly a significant variable in considering her candidacy, that doesn’t mean she doesn’t carry considerable privilege with her on her way to the White House. As Veronica Arreola reminds readers, Clinton may be a woman, but she is also a white and rich woman, and Clinton’s at times paternalistic consideration of issues lying at the intersection of gender, race and poverty — statements like “How do we make sure that pregnant women, particularly poor women, understand the nutrients they should take to support their own and their baby’s health?”  as if low-income pregnant women aren’t buying vegetables because they don’t know better — suggest that she has work to do if she wants to mean more than one dimension of representational gains.

Love Her, Love Her Not makes the case for Hillary, against Hillary and everything in between. It is a thoughtful debate with itself. It is well worth your time.

Get it here.


Jon Green graduated from Kenyon College with a B.A. in Political Science and high honors in Political Cognition. He worked as a field organizer for Congressman Tom Perriello in 2010 and a Regional Field Director for President Obama's re-election campaign in 2012. Jon writes on a number of topics, but pays especially close attention to elections, religion and political cognition. Follow him on Twitter at @_Jon_Green, and on Google+. .

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  • manderso

    Gee, why aren’t they buying vegetables?

  • Let’s hope we never find out what kind of presidents Cruz or Trump would be. That’s one experiment that I’m happy to leave in the hypothetical realm.

  • soapdish

    I am stealing this.

  • barada
  • All we need to know. How dare anyone critize Hillary Clinton. OMG…a BERNIE supporter!!:

    “So I cry foul on this one. Veronica sounds like either a Bernie supporter, or part of the microaggression crowd.”

  • Opinionated_Lady

    He’s worked with both sides of the aisle. He is known as the “Amendment King” and has the respect of Republicans as well as Democrats in Congress. He knows how to negotiate. In a negotiation you begin with exactly, or more than, what you want. You don’t start with your bottom line, or less, which is the way that too much negotiation on the part of the Dems begins now.

  • Opinionated_Lady

    There has barely been any media on Bernie period, until recently and then the continual drumbeat is “he can’t win.” Despite this, his popularity has been steadily growing. Citizens are worn out with politics as usual, which is the promise of the Clinton campaign. Bernie has a good chance at changing the paradigm (to use a phrase from Clinton’s first administration). We need a government of, by and for the people. Currently, that is not the case. Bernie’s movement can create something new and vibrant, if we stick with what he has begun.

  • Opinionated_Lady

    He is very respected in the Congress, even by Republicans and is a very knowledgeable and canny legislators. He is not known as the Amendment King for nothing. I think he just might get more cooperation, if his movement stays intact and his base has his back.

  • Opinionated_Lady

    Wow! What a bizarre interpretation of my comments. I am a Bernie Sanders supporter and have been organizing volunteers and events for Bernie in my county since last July. Also, have contributed steadily to his campaign, and to the campaigns of those few brave legislators who have endorsed him. My comment concerning conservatives refers to the cover they provide to DINOs who cave to them repeatedly and then claim there was no choice. Yes, Bernie would face Republican obstructionism, but he will not abandon the movement he has begun if he is elected, His base would back him up and would be more successful than otherwise. While the Republican witch hunts are ridiculous, the Clinton’s have not done a lot to help themselves. I foresee more of the same, if she is the nominee and elected. That’s just the plain truth of the matter. Also, she is a war hawk and we can count on more war, more regime change, etc., if she is elected. In her case, the past is prologue. How else to know how a candidate would govern, other than by past actions?

  • Opinionated Cat Lover

    Cruz might turn out worse than Trump, but I trust he’ll turn out to be a retread of Bush with a religious flair. Mind you, I don’t want to find out (I’d take Sanders or even Clinton over Cruz any day of the week), but the only one that has me considering punching out of the US and moving somewhere far away is Trump. I hope you’re right about him not doing half of what he says he wants to do (too busy gorging himself and his buddies at the government food bowl?), but I’m sure not gonna count on it.

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  • the only thing I disagree with you about is that I think Cruz might actually turn out to be worse than Trump. Trump has said so many contradictory things over the years that who knows what he’d actually do if elected. Maybe he wouldn’t do most of the worst things he talks about. Cruz on the other hand is consistent and all his ideas are horrible. I don’t want either of them but I think Cruz is actually more dangerous and what’s worse the media coverage has treated him as more moderate than Trump which is absurd.

    Sanders and Clinton both have their faults but I would crawl across broken glass to vote for either of them in November over any of the Republicans.

  • The whole country needs a time out. Did I disrespect you? If so it’s because so much disrespect has been thrown my way by both Clinton and Sanders supporters for months now. And then there’s the republicans and their big bag of bullshit. I’ve never been more sick of an election and it’s only April.

  • McJakome

    Baggage? Yes, let’s look at all of the baggage, shall we.

  • McJakome

    I think Bernie is a far better choice, however, I will have no choice [in good conscience] but to vote for Hillary because she is far, far better than any of the GOP crowd!

  • Opinionated Cat Lover

    As a Sanders supporter, I agree. Everyone in the world is screaming that they want what they want and not a tiny bit more. This is the true bipartisan quality. The Trump supporter who screams Cruz isn’t enough. The Sanders supporter that screams Clinton isn’t enough. The Clinton supporter who screams Sanders isn’t enough. Blah blah blah, what a bunch of childish gits.

    There’s only one person on the table I’d consider a disaster in the making, and that’s Herr Drumpf. I sure don’t want Cruz, and I’m meh on Clinton, but only the Drumpfino will convince me to punch out of these Disunited States and try my luck abroad. I suspect I won’t get everything I want regardless of who’s in office, so that makes it much easier to stomach a Clinton or even a Cruz presidency. I really want Sanders, but above all, I do not want Drumpfenstein.

  • lilyannerose

    There ya go. See what ya just did? Accusations re right wing behavior, preachy preachy preachy response. This is exactly why I dropped so many FB group pages. I don’t want to argue but I don’t want to be treated with so much disrespect.

  • Bill_Perdue

    There are those who imitate Joe McCarthy and lie about political opponents. In the heat of a the quadrennial election frenzy, which invariably leaves the status quo in place, people like that, who make ridiculous charges and resort to personal attacks make themselves irrelevant.

    The increasingly bitter rancor in the DP will have the same effect that the Trump candidacy is having in the RP. In the post election period it will tear both parties apart and help the growth of the left. The age of ‘lesser evil’ candidates, policies and parties is over for all practical purposes.

    That’s good news.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Republicans are just as right wing as Democrats when it comes to racist border politics, refusing to prosecute killer cops, busting unions and starting wars of aggression in places like Libya, Syria and Yemen and refusing to pass ENDA

  • hidflect

    How about Hilary’s Foundation taking millions from Saudi Royal despots who behead women for sorcery? Or her taking millions from Tata and Infosys, prime abusers of the H1-B visa rort? Don’t think that just by invoking the magic word “Benghazi” you’ve dealt with the issues of the shadiest lady since Leona Helmsley.

  • hidflect

    It’s not her to love or hate. It’s her actions. And whom she obeys. Hillary doesn’t really have a stance on any issue of importance. She has a price tag.

  • Dai Uy

    Barely better than Drumpf…

  • Phil in FLL

    Under the present circumstances, the Republican Party may split in two as it did in the election of 1912 between Howard Taft (conservative wing) and Teddy Roosevelt (progressive wing), which resulted in the loss of the White House to the Democrats for the next eight years (under Woodrow Wilson). Only a fool would draw an absurd, delusional equivalency between what is happening this year in the Republican primaries and what is happening in the Democratic primaries.

  • Bill_Perdue

    HRH HRC, a tool of the rich, is the enemy of working people.

    The good news is that the BS campaign will tear the DP apart just as the Trump campaign will tear the RP apart.

  • keirmeister

    What you don’t seem to grasp from my point is that even the liberal criticisms you listed don’t justify left-wing hatred of her – particularly sincell many of those criticisms are overblown. Her views about the LGBT community…really? Do you have the same hatred for Obama, whose positions were not so different?

  • What camp am I in?

    Yes, I voted for Clinton, but I’m not a die-hard supporter. I don’t hate Bernie. I like some of his ideas and not others. The same goes for Clinton. What is with this binary where I have to love one unconditionally and hate the other. That’s really fucked up. They are both people and both mean well. And I’m rather happy that both of them have gone out of their way to make their campaigns about issues and ideas and not personal attacks. If only their followers would do the same.

  • LOL “microagression crowd” – I’m not even sure what that is, other than maybe saying this person is an SJW? Hillary has shown how condescending she is towards other women as seen in her recent video attacking someone asking about her support of fossil fuels.

  • Voodoo Chile

    Hillary supporters either can’t tell the difference between right-wing and left-wing criticisms, or are being mendacious. Probably the latter, since these are the same people who malign the most liberal politician and the most liberal voting bloc as being sexist and racist.

    Right-wing criticism of Hillary includes Whitewater, pant suits, shrill voices, Benghazi, Vince Foster, etc. Left-wing criticism of Hillary includes her vote for the Iraq War, her stance on Israel, her support for Wall Street and Corporate rule, her views about the LGBTQ community, etc.

    Can you really not tell the difference? Now that it’s been clearly spelled out for you, are you going to continue to pretend?

  • Voodoo Chile

    Except it’s usually your camp levelling that criticism, which as hiker_sf pointed out, is completely backwards.

  • More gridlock if Hillary is elected as if that same comment wouldn’t apply equally to a Sanders administration. That was my point.

    I think the whole country reads a time out right now. Maybe we can all take a vacation from politics the week after the convention? (That used to be a thing, btw, to not campaign between the conventions and Labor Day.)

  • It’s the same tantrums the Tea Party are having. No compromise and better nothing if we can’t get everything. I had someone yell at me because Hillary is only for a $13 minimum wage whereas Bernie is for $15 as if either of those proposals can get out of committee in Congress much less pass. Some people just do not operate in reality nor do they want to. I think somethings they (and their right wing mirror images) would rather lose and play victim for four years than win and have to take responsibility to get something accomplished.

  • Phil in FLL

    “…or her push to bomb Libya & kill Qaddafi…”

    Qaddafi, as you remember, was getting ready to mass murder the population of eastern Libya. This was widely acknowledged. Who are you to declare that preventing this was a mistake? Who really knows what the right thing to do would have been? Should the U.S. and the European Union have stood aside as Qaddafi was committing genocide? It’s a hard question for anyone to answer, so please don’t pretend to be all-knowing.

  • keirmeister

    And the things you listed count as “scandals” that justify hatred of her?

  • Phil in FLL

    “The baggage, the baggage, the baggage…as the cumulative weight of every prior scandal is brought to bear against her.”

    Jennifer Flowers, Whitewater, Kenneth Starr’s investigation of Vince Foster’s death, Kenneth Starr’s investigation of Lewinsky, the Republican “impeachment” of Bill Clinton, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, blah, blah, blah. All of that is straight out of right-wing talk radio, and all of it is widely regarded as Republican smear campaigns and kangaroo courts. Your mention of baggage illustrates your own ideological baggage, which would be more at home on Free Republic. And don’t try to twist your right-wing taunts as support for Bernie because they’re not.

  • 2karmanot

    ” Veronica sounds like either a Bernie supporter, or part of the microaggression crowd” OH NO BATMAN! Lions and Tigers and Bernie, OH MY!

  • Phil in FLL

    In the comment you replied to, Opinionated_Lady specifically mentioned “more gridlock,” which everyone acknowledges would apply to Bernie too. I wish commenters would simply read the comment above a reply before posting a one-up comeback.

  • I hae to take issue with one part of this:

    QUOTE

    As Veronica Arreola reminds readers, Clinton may be a woman, but she is also a white and rich woman, and Clinton’s at times paternalistic consideration of issues lying at the intersection of gender, race and poverty — statements like “How do we make sure that pregnant women, particularly poor women, understand the nutrients they should take to support their own and their baby’s health?” as if low-income pregnant women aren’t buying vegetables because they don’t know better — suggest that she has work to do if she wants to mean more than one dimension of representational gains.

    UNQUOTE

    Hillary was chair of the board of the Children’s Defense Fund, where I used to work, and one of our top issues was maternal child health. Hillary knows this issue inside out. And I got news for sanctimonious Veronica, rich women have rich insurance and go to rich doctors and tend to get all the pregnancy advice and medication that they need. If Hillary had suggested that we shouldn’t focus on the poor in particular, because all women’s lives matter, Veronica would have been the first to attack Hillary for her rich white privilege in not recognizing the unique challenges that poor women face when it comes to having and raising children. So I cry foul on this one. Veronica sounds like either a Bernie supporter, or part of the microaggression crowd — either way, she’s in the business of finding fault where there is none.

  • lilyannerose

    I’m ignoring everyone on this. Given the meltdown of the GOP you’d think that the Dems would get it together and instead of infighting we’d be planning strategy to turn DC BLUE. But all of this infighting just goes to show why we can’t have nice things.

  • My point was that since neither is going to get any cooperation from Republicans, the fact that she won’t is not a valid criticism.

  • hiker_sf

    Then why peg Sanders for not being to get things done?

  • Republicans aren’t going to cooperate with any Democrat.

  • I’ve been getting a lot of hate from Bernie supporters thrown my way lately. There’s a good reason Clinton supporters are reacting the way they are. if you don’t like it, call out the Bernie supporters who are behaving terribly.

    (Note: I do know what you are talking about with Hillary supporters too. I’ve gotten that bullshit as well.)

  • I did not vote for her in 2008 for that very reason: Iraq. If there were a better alternative in this election I might not have voted for her on Super Tuesday but there was not. She’s easily the best and most qualified person running this year.

  • hiker_sf

    You think that Clinton, who is more hated by Republicans than anyone, is going to get anything done?

  • Some. Not all.

    I don’t like this meme in which ever criticism is called sexist. There are some who do this with Obama as well. No, the Senate isn’t opposing his SCOTUS pick because he’s black. If Clinton or Biden were president now they’d be doing the very same thing. Some of the attacks on him (the birther nonsense, for example) are rooted in racism, but there are plenty on the right who hate all Democrats and liberals and would hate him if he were the exact same person doing the same things only white. If you remember they hated Bill Clinton too.

    But yes, some of the crap thrown at Clinton and her supporters is sexist. I do know some women who mostly support Clinton because she’s a woman, but mostly I know women who are supporting her who would be supporting whatever candidate was running on that platform. Not all Democrats are as far left as Sanders and his supporters. They might win more of us over, though, if they talked to us intelligently rather than yelling and making threats to stay home if they don’t get their way.

  • hiker_sf

    They aren’t lies. But continue with whatever false narrative you need to justify your vote.

  • Yes, because no one has run negative ads against Sanders. There have been no media hit pieces on him either. That would quickly change if he were the nominee.

  • You think there won’t be Congressional gridlock with a Sanders presidency?

  • Yesterday on twitter I tweeted a certain celebrity to congratulate on dealing with her haters with such class. It was an inspiration. And then some of them (only a dozen or so) came after me. They were too inept and sometimes laughable to get angry with. One suggested that I have a drink with a certain news commentator (whom the hater hates for being for Hillary) as if that were a slam. I responded that it sounded like a nice idea but I’m sure that person is busy and I live 2000 miles away.

    I’m frustrated by the current political climate. People repeat whatever sounds good to them. Never mind if it’s true. Truth matters little now in our politics and in that regard the left is just as bad as the right. The rest of us, the majority to be sure, need to stop tolerating lies by calling them out every time, even when people we like say them in service of a cause we like.

  • As an adult all my relationships are complicated. I don’t understand the mindset in which some people need to make everyone into either a saint or a monster. I like a lot of things about Sen Clinton. there are a lot of things I do not like. I have a lot of concerns. But overall she’s the best candidate running this year. There are a few things Bernie says that I like but not one of them will be enacted into law so that’s just nice talk. I know some people are overly impressed by visionary words but I’m more interested in getting things done in the next 2-4 years.

  • kladinvt

    Nobody made up her vote to attack Iraq, or her push to bomb Libya & kill Qaddafi thereby created another failed state in Africa, or her failed push to get Obama to send in ground troops to Syria. Those are all her doing. Plus if she was so “savvy”, why was she so clueless to not realize that her speeches to Wall St, wouldn’t become a big issue among Liberals & Progressives? Like Bill, Hillary has a knack for “stepping in it”.

  • kladinvt

    The best term to describe Hillary is “Political-Shapeshifter”.

  • keirmeister

    What’s infuriating about Hillary Clinton isn’t her “scandals”, but the fact that they are manufactured to malign her…and now liberals have internalized them as well.

    Another Republican plot worked, and liberals fell for it again. Good grief!

  • rabblerouzzer

    I want to see a woman POTUS in my lifetime (I’m 61), and I respect Secretary Clinton tremendously, despite disagreeing with her on several issues. Sanders is the idealistic dream, as Obama was for some people, but idealism has won few elections. I like a lot of Bernie’s positions, but I don’t see how in the world he can made them happen unless his young followers turn out every possible voter and give him both houses of Congress led by solid Democratic majorities. Trump has allowed us to think retaking both the House and Senate is possible, but, I seriously doubt the resolve of Bernie’s followers to make happen everything that needs to in order for Bernie to be able to make good on his promises or enact his policies. Add to the mix that Bernie is widely reported to not play well with others and the probability that Republicans in Congress will become even more obstinate if denied the White House yet again, I would be amazed if a Democratic President gets anything done, including an appointment to SCOTUS. I expect them to be more like Kentucky’s new Tea Party governor who has wrecked their healthcare and social benefits systems to prove Obamacare doesn’t work.

    My bottom line is SCOTUS. We simply must elect a Democrat to the White House so we get to appoint Scalia’s (and probably Notorious RBG’s) replacements. Another right-wing conservative on the court would be a disaster of biblical proportions for lovers of liberty and democracy. Do I believe Secretary Clinton is without flaws? Far from it. But we recruit from the human race, so there will always be disappointments. Nobody can be all things to all people. She is definitely no Elizabeth Warren, but do I believe she has the grit to wage a prolonged fight until her legislative agenda is enacted? Yes, I do. Everything in the woman’s career has been a long uphill slog, and this will be no exception. If I’m going to have a partner in a fight, I’d prefer them to have gotten a black eye or two in their past before I trust them at my back.

    So she’ll get my vote in the primary, but if Bernie manages to prevail, he will have my vote in the general. because Republicans have gone from the loyal opposition to the one-match-short-of-a-witch-burning criminally dangerous. In my opinion, a vote for that crazy train should be considered treasonous. As to the feds looking at the email mess, I wouldn’t have a problem with them doing that if they also investigated Colin Powell, Condi Rice and others who have admitted using personal email to conduct government business.

    There have been clouds surrounding Hillary for decades, and after all the investigations, all the wasted damn taxpayer dollars because Benghazi, and Whitewater, and Vince Foster, and you name it, yet the woman is still one of the most admired women in the world because she gets through it all with her head held high and determined to keep working on behalf of working people. And, she’s teachable — she came around on marriage equality, and I believe it’s a genuine turnaround, not political expedience. I’m sure she’ll give us a lot to yell about, but who hasn’t?

    Citizenship requires more than just an occasional vote. It’s keeping informed so we can hold our leaders accountable, but lately too few of us are willing to do more than hold our noses and vote, much less make calls, send emails, collect signatures or do research. We can’t stop with just the voting booth, we have to put on enough pressure, raise enough hell, make it political suicide to NOT do what we want them to do.

    In my humble opinion, anyway.

  • hiker_sf

    EVERY poll shows Sanders beating EVERY Republican by larger margins than Clinton.

  • emjayay

    Sanders doesn’t seem too compromise-y. Which means, in the highly unlikely scenario of him actually winning, more like zero results.

  • hiker_sf

    The only person lying is Clinton. She is being a bully in this video. Shame on her.

    Fossil Fuel Investors Are Pumping Millions of Dollars Into Hillary Clinton’s Campaign

    https://news.vice.com/article/fossil-fuel-investors-are-pumping-millions-of-dollars-into-hillary-clintons-campaign

  • emjayay

    The alternative is someone without a remote chance of winning, particularly after the Republican character assassination machine does their thing. They’ve been working on Clinton for decades already. So, hello President Cruz.

  • emjayay

    I hate it when people lie about me too. Particularly people who are supposed to be on my side of the fence.

  • hiker_sf

    Whatever you do, don’t question her royal highness about anything. She makes Thatcher look nurturing.

    https://youtu.be/dC4Pvm6Oj4A

  • Opinionated_Lady

    The baggage, the baggage, the baggage. If Hillary is the nominee, this election season is sure to be the ugliest yet as the cumulative weight of every prior scandal is brought to bear against her. If she is President, count on more war, constant threats of impeachment, more Congressional gridlock, a return to the Cold War, constant nibbling around the edges of poverty programs as well as our social safety net. The latter to be accomplished by the constant refrain of “the Republicans made me do it.” Incremental change comes wrapped in just such a package. And, there will be repeated scandals, not only those made up by right-wing meanies, but ones of Hillary’s and Bill’s own making as they exercise their entitlement to do really bone-headed, imprudent things that are of questionable legal and/or ethical standards. The thought of it all makes me grit my teeth. This is, of course, not to mention the current, on-going FBI investigation which has yet to play out. Love Hillary, or not, you have got to admit that this is not the outcome one would hope for a Presidential election.

  • keirmeister

    Hillary is a smart and accomplished woman, but I truly wonderful how much of the criticisms directed at her are because she is a woman with those traits. Our politicians are not perfect, and Obama has been a disappointment on certain liberal causes…but he’s done exceptionally well as president. Do people expect any less from CLinton? Would she get this much hatred if she were a man with her accomplishments?

    I love Bernie Sanders and I really respect Hillary Clinton. I don’t expect either to be the savior of America, but I feel lucky our choices are far superior to the other side’s. If Hillary ain’t liberal enough for you, imagine how heartbroken you’re going to be when Sanders has to compromise away some of his liberal goals (don’t be naive enough to think it won’t happen).

    If you hate Hillary Clinton so much (for reasons that I’ve seen almost never justify such hatred) that you would allow Trump or Cruz to become president, you never deserved a Sanders presidency in the first place.

  • 2karmanot

    Another excellent article by you Jon. Well done. It has managed to discuss the very toxic topic of Hillary Clinton without the simplistic derisive disdain so characteristic of establishment Hill-bots on this site. I put our esteemed founder and editor in the atmosphere of this category—a man with whom I have the utmost respect and so have remained silent here out of polity until now. I agree completely that Hillary Clinton is an extraordinary and accomplished pol, a woman of exceptional intelligence and experience. But I completely disagree with virtually ever position she takes on too many policies. To me she is just a continuation of the bloody war hawk mentality that American colonialism has fostered to destroy the balance of power in the Middle East and the world. To me she is no different than a neo-con.She is a died-in-the-wool neo-liberal creature of Wall Street. I believe her domestic plans and policies are just another beguiling fiction in the mode of Obama, who promised reform, FDR restitution of the New Deal and delivered to me a mediocre token or two of his ‘promises. And yes, I do not think Obama Care, when studied in it’s compromised botched detail is worth it’s weight in red tape, nor do I think neo-liberal blue dogs will do squat to much to improve it.
    Considering the times we live in, the thought of turning this country over to anarchist Republicans is a considerable moral dilemma. Bernie Sanders believes as I do, that democracy belongs to the People, not the ruling privileged. I will write Sanders in if necessary on my ballot. Enough is enough! I completely agree with Sarandon, the revolution, and by that I mean restoration of the New Deal, will happen one way of another.

  • doug dash

    Hillary is like my wife; we’ve been together many years. A few of those years were a little tough. ( I can remember when she voted for the Iraq resolution and thinking to myself, I will never vote for that **** (see image) again. But like my wife, I still like, admire, and respect her. I will stand by her.

    http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/page/cunt-56334.jpg

  • This is a good piece about a real conflict a lot of smart friends of mine are going through with regards to the current race. It’s nice to see this and not another propaganda Bernie slam piece with highly questionable ethics and math. I’ve never been a fan of the Clintons and never voted for one – I will likely not vote for her in the fall should she be the nominee unless NY becomes a swing state and I have to.

  • lilyannerose

    Hillary I can handle. What makes it difficult is her supporters. All of this bashing of Bernie Supporters with accusations hurled of being a right winger is tiresome. I’m supporting Bernie now but if HIllary is the candidate? Well, America could do much worse. All I ask is that the HIllary supporters just leave me alone.

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