How much do Republicans hate Obama? A large plurality of them oppose him on turkey pardons

When pollsters say that Obama’s a polarizing figure, they really aren’t kidding.

Public Policy Polling released a poll this morning showing, among other things, that by a 35/22 margin Americans approve of President Obama’s decision to pardon two turkeys last Thanksgiving, as opposed to the customary one. However, the polling firm found a sharp partisan divide on the question, with 38 percent of Republicans opposing the move to only 11 percent in favor. Democrats and independents both favored the move, by 59/11 and 28/21 margins, respectively.

To be clear, this poll question isn’t measuring how people feel about the relative merits of pardoning two turkeys as opposed to one. It’s measuring just how much President Obama’s name affects people’s likelihood to support [generic and totally not political thing]. Much in the same way that members of the out party will criticize the president’s book choices, vacations and golf games only to shrug their shoulders when their party takes control of the White House, it’s hard to imagine that Republicans would oppose pardoning two turkeys by anywhere near a 27 point margin if, say, Mitt Romney were president.

In other words, there really is no limit to what Republicans will oppose so long as it has Obama’s name attached to it:

The poll also found that, by an overwhelming margin, Donald Trump is the presidential candidate voters feel would be most likely to ruin Thanksgiving dinner:

Thanksgiving Turkey

Turkey via Shutterstock

46% say they think Trump would be the candidate most likely to ruin Thanksgiving, as much as all the rest of the candidates combined. Hillary Clinton at 22%, Bernie Sanders at 7%, Jeb Bush and Ben Carson at 6%, Ted Cruz at 4%, and Marco Rubio at 1% round out the standings on who people think would be most likely to wreck the holiday.

Many of these poll questions were conducting in some measure of good fun, but like the off-beat questions they include in many of their other polls, they’re still telling. Last week, one of their surveys showed that 69 percent of Republican voters agreed with the statement that President Obama has waged a war on Christianity, and that only 49 percent of Republicans agree that Islam should even be legal in the United States.

If you want to know why Donald Trump can get away with saying that we should close mosques and deport Syrian refugees who are already here — to say nothing of entertaining the idea of Nuremberg-style tracking of Muslims legally residing in the United States — there’s your answer.


Jon Green graduated from Kenyon College with a B.A. in Political Science and high honors in Political Cognition. He worked as a field organizer for Congressman Tom Perriello in 2010 and a Regional Field Director for President Obama's re-election campaign in 2012. Jon writes on a number of topics, but pays especially close attention to elections, religion and political cognition. Follow him on Twitter at @_Jon_Green, and on Google+. .

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  • Opinionated Cat Lover

    I know I’m late to the party, but … well, I agree with everything you say.

    I still think Bill Perdue is a Right-Wing plant here to peel off the most frustrated voters from Team Blue.

    “Oh, Trump isn’t so bad! He’s no worse than Clinton!” Sure sounds to me like he’s a right-wing plant trying to troll the left wing.

  • Moderator3

    I always find it sad when someone upvotes their own comment.

  • Illegal Alien

    absurd questions, huh?

    How much do Republicans hate Obama vs. How much do Democrats hate America?

    absurd answer?

    Democrats hated America from 2008 to 2016, Republican replaced Obama in 2017.

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  • Bill_Perdue

    Sure it is.

  • Moderator3

    Actually that would not be thread jacking.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Thread jacking could also be seen as promoting voting for Democrats and not providing any proof, any facts or any citations.

  • Pick whatever the fuck word you like, Bill, but ‘thread-jacking’ is entirely appropriate.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Wrong – Obama rounded up two million immigrants and deported them.

    Wrong – Obama continues the Clinton policies of kidnapping and torture. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/renditions-continue-under-obama-despite-due-process-concerns/2013/01/01/4e593aa0-5102-11e2-984e-f1de82a7c98a_story.html

    I’m still tired of people who advocate voting for racists, warmongers and union busters like Obama or HRH HRC. Even Sanders, now a right centrist, was not always a advocate for voting for right centrists like Democrats. “It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party. …“Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?” – Socialist Scholars Conference in New York City, April 1990. http://www.keywiki.org/Socialist_Scholars_Conference_1990

    “The Democratic Party ideologically bankrupt, they have no ideology. Their ideology is opportunism.” – Interview with Vermont Affairs magazine, 1986 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/8/15/1409803/-Introducing-Bernie-Sanders-the-Hypocrite

    “The Democratic and Republican parties are tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum, they both adhere to an ideology of greed and vulgarity.” – Op-ed in the New York Times, January 1989. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/8/15/1409803/-Introducing-Bernie-Sanders-the-Hypocrite

    “The quotes and other information is from the Politico article: Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns?” http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

    I don’t ‘complain’ about Democrats I prove that they’re just as bad as Republicans over and over with citations and facts

  • The Democrats are not as bad as the Republicans. Voting for them isn’t the same thing. Last I checked, neither the current president nor any of the current Democratic candidates is advocating rounding up all Muslims, Mexicans and other ‘undesirables’ and deporting or imprisoning them. None of the Democrats is advocating slavery or torture — but a number of Republicans are.

    And frankly Bill, I’m tired of YOU constantly hijacking comment threads to complain how the Democrats are either as bad or worse. And how you are unable to recognize how, from your own Marxist definition of fascism, Donald Trump and indeed much of the GOP has been steadily adopting openly fascist positions.

    It doesn’t take a putsch or revolution to install a fascist government. Many of them start out being popularly elected…or through electoral shenanigans.

  • Bill_Perdue

    You’re wrong on every count.

    Democrats are just as bad as Republicans. Voting for one of them is the same as voting for a Republican. That was true of Bill Clinton and Obama and it will be true of HRH HRC.

    I’m tired of people advocating voting for either right wing party.

    There is absolutely no danger of a fascist putsch in the US like the one the US engineered in Ukraine.

  • Bill_Perdue

    I don’t think you do. It doesn’t mean garden variety right wing politicians.know

  • The problem with your ‘leftist’ clubhouse, Bill, is there is nobody but you inside it. Certainly no one here on this site.

    Someone points out something truly horrific being proposed by the Republicans…and you IMMEDIATELY contradict them and tell them they’re wrong, that the Democrats are as bad if not worse.

    Frankly, I’m tired of it, tired of nobody meeting your Marxist orthodoxy demands, which you mistakenly seem to think are well within the political mainstream and somehow possible.

    There is not going to be a socialist marxist revolution in this country. Not now. Not a generation from now. There is, however, a very real danger of a fascist revolution — and right now its poster boy is Donald Trump and his party is the GOP.

  • I don’t think you have any idea what the word fascist means.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Stating a leftist opinion, one that equates Democrats and Republicans, is not trolling. It’s stating a leftist opinion.

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  • Bill_Perdue

    I’m a marxist and we have a very clear idea of what fascism is and what it is not. https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm

    If you think Trump is a fascist what’s your opinion of Bill Clintons genocide of half a million Iraqi children. What’s your opinion of LBJs murder of a million Vietnamese. Are they fascists too?

    They are absolutely equal in terms of attacks on unions, attacks on the Bill of Rights, starting wars of aggression, passively acquiescing to racist murders by cops, attacks on the standard of living of working people.

    It’s unfortunate that people who want us to vote Democrat engage in hyperbole as silly as the Republican claim that Democrats are socialists. Both are lies and, as the Princeton study shows, moot. Policies remain the same no matter which party of racists, bigots and union busters is in office.

    I do hate racists, bigots and union busters and would never vote for them, no matter what party they were in. Do you agree with that?

    What makes you think I hate everyone? Is that a bit of hyperbole.

    Every campaign brings on a season or partisan sound and fury and this one is no exception. For those really worried about the imminent victory of fascism, I hear that New Zealand Air has some real bargains.

  • FLL

    The most unusual comment from Bill was the Trump is “just an ordinary, run of the mill politician.” Trump’s weekend comments and tweets about Arabs, Blacks and beating up political opponents might be ordinary and run-of-the-mill at a KKK meeting or on Stormfront… but in a presidential campaign?! That’s taking an apology for the Republican frontrunner to a crazy level.

  • I’ve about given up on Bill, to be honest. Like I said in other comments, occasionally I agree with him, but most of the time he just doesn’t comprehend the difference between a splinter and an amputation. And most of all doesn’t want to.

    Sometimes I think he’s just been trolling us. This is one of those times.

  • They are not equal. Different, and one side is demonstrably worse, but not equal. Like I said, you can’t seem to see anything but darker shades of black in everything. You lack all sense of proportion. There is nobody in the world who in your eyes isn’t irredeemably evil, with no difference between a somewhat corrupt office seeker and someone who appears to be eager and willing to start down the road to actual mass imprisonments and genocide.

    The Republicans have stopped being ‘right centrists’, oh, about the time Senator Heinz died. And they have kept lurching further and further to the radical conservative right, to the point now where they can’t even agree on the far right orthodoxy they demand from their candidates.

    Donald Trump is, by every historical definition of the word, running as a Fascist. It’s unfortunate you’re so blinded by your hate of everyone and everything you can’t see the difference between what is a fascist and what isn’t.

  • FLL

    When absurd generalizations become a lie. From Bill Perdue’s reply to Becca below:

    “Democrats are not socialsitst. they’re rightists. Republcians are not fascists, they right centrists.”

    Are we to believe that there are no Republicans who are fascists? If they say the things that Donald Trump said over the weekend, they are.

  • FLL

    In 1992, presidential candidate Pat Buchanan spouted generalities combined with dog whistles, like “taking our country back.” Trump isn’t bothering with dog whistles:

    (1) On Fox and Friends, he encouraged his supporters to rough up his political opponents by stating (about the Black Lives Matter protester at his Birmingham rally), “Maybe he should have been roughed up,” he said. “It was disgusting what he was doing.”
    (2) At the Birmingham rally, he repeated a debunked lie about Arab Americans for the sole purpose of inspiring hate, and perhaps violence against them: “There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down.”
    (3) He tweeted a graphic of false crime statistics for the sole purpose of inspiring hate against black people, the same false statistics that many Internet observers have often seen on Stormfront (a white supremacist website). Trump’s tweet is show below.

    I’m sure demonization of Americans of East Asian descent as “chinks” is not far behind, since China, Korea and Japan are economic competitors. Combined with Trump’s hate toward mixed-race Mexicans, this amounts to a campaign to smear all nonwhites as the enemy. I can’t recall any presidential candidate in living memory whose stated proposals (rather than implied dog whistles) have qualified as neo-fascist.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Proportionality never means choosing Democrats over Republicans. It means both as equally as the enemies of working people.
    Democrats are not socialsitst. they’re rightists. Republcians are not fascists, they right centrists. Neigher deserves any support from lefrtists.

  • emjayay

    It’s obvious to them that Obama is the Real Hitler. Trump is the good guy.

  • emjayay

    Please put the video on YouTube.

  • Occasionally, Bill, I agree with you.

    This is not even close to one of those times, starting with your first sentence. You seem to completely lack a sense of proportionality.

  • It’s a stupid tradition, but two turkeys vs one makes no difference.

    Yes, they just hate Obama and it has nothing to do with facts. Some even blame him for Katrina. Yes, they really are that stupid. If you don’t believe me head to my family’s Thanksgiving dinner.

  • Bill_Perdue

    No, he’s not a fascist. He’s just an ordinary, run of the mill politician.

    He the Democrats have many polices in common. Both are building a police state and are equally at blame.

    Both refuse to take the Black Lives Matter movement seriously and order federal investigations and prosecutions of the hundreds of cops who’ve murdered people of color.

    Both favor fracking and offshore drilling.

    Both want to escalate and pursue wars of aggression against Arab and muslims to steal their oil.

    Truman began the witch hunts against the left and LGBT communities. LBJ’s regime ordered wholesale attacks on Black Nationalists. Bill Clinton gutted welfare and hired 100,000 unneeded new cops. Obama jailed and tortured Chelsea Manning and thousands of people from muslim and Arab nations and murdered six Arab Americans (so far) and pushed for and then signed NDAA provisions for unlimited non-judicial detentions into law.

    What your call fascism is very much bi-partisan. Trump is a right wing swine but so are most candidates and office holders in both parties. Trump stinks but so do all of them.

    We’ll get fascism when an enabling act is passed.

  • Indigo

    Already advocating beating up protesters. However, I am not entirely resonant with your suspicion that his supporters have no idea what fascism really is. I suspect they know perfectly well what’s being said. They’re not innocent.

  • Trump is running as a full-on fascist candidate.

    Sadly, even though there are lots of Americans who are properly horrified, there are a shocking number who support him precisely because he’s a fascist. Only I suspect the latter sorts have no idea what fascism really is or what the word actually means in the historical context.

  • nicho

    Just more proof that the movie Idiocracy wasn’t a comedy, but rather a documentary.

    And it’s not confined to the US either. Canada seems to have taken leave of it’s senses.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/university-ottawa-yoga-cultural-sensitivity-1.3330441

  • nicho

    If she promised to wear that to the inauguration, I would vote for him. That would be a good beginning to the end of the Empire. OTOH, If Hillary promised to wear that to the inauguration, I might vote for her instead.

  • Doug105
  • 2karmanot

    Oh, I don’t know. Did they try President Trump and Mrs. Pasties?

  • marknc

    And they will hate the next Dem President just as much. For reference, see Clinton.

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