Kim Davis to Megyn Kelly: “If I resign, I lose my voice,” proving everyone right

I think it’s time for whoever runs the soundtrack at the Oscars to play Kim Davis off. Her 15 minutes are well past up, and she’s overstayed her (un)welcome.

In an interview with Fox’s Megyn Kelly last night, Davis insisted (again, and absurdly) that her refusal to do her job as Rowan County, Kentucky Clerk and issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples has “never been a gay or lesbian issue to me.” Since she stopped issuing marriage licenses to everybody — even if the reason for stopping was to avoid issuing them for gays and lesbians — she isn’t a bigot!

Or is she not a bigot because she’s just doing what God tells her, and who is she to say God’s wrong if he tells her that The Gays are sinful, Hell-bound creatures? After all, that’s what she meant when she said her insistence on shutting her whole marriage operation down “has been about upholding the word of God and how God defined marriage from the very beginning of time,” right? And if that’s the case, why didn’t she just get each of her successive husbands to sign on to one marriage license? That’s what she meant when she referenced God’s original definition of marriage, right? Or would the genders have to be flipped for that to work?

To be clear, over the course of this entire saga, we’ve heard all of these arguments before. But last night, Davis accidentally let slip a variation on her theme. When asked by Kelly why she hasn’t resigned after losing literally every court battle she has fought over her presupposed right to discriminate as a public official, Davis replied, “If I resign, I lose my voice.”

Well, then.

This line of argument drops the religious liberty claim and replaces it with a free speech claim that holds precisely as much water, which is to say it holds no water at all. As David Badash at The New Civil Rights Movement was quick to point out, Davis has been acting as an activist throughout this entire ordeal, and her concern for her “voice” is the closest she has come to admitting as much. Her admission completely rejected the premise of her question that immediately followed, “Why should I quit a job that I love that I’m good at?” because she isn’t good at her job as a public official if she’s using it as a platform for religious activism.

By admitting that her refusal to issue marriage licenses has nothing to do with the law or her job, and everything to do with her religion and her activism, she proved herself wrong and the rest of the country (except for white Evangelicals) right.

Here’s the video of the relevant interview segment:

The thing is, I don’t think Kim Davis would object all that strongly to being called an activist. In her view, she is obligated to not only uphold, but to espouse her religious beliefs to all that will hear them. What’s more, she seems genuinely (albeit willfully) confused as to why it’s problematic for public officials — acting as agents of the State and sworn to uphold the laws of the land — to actively reject their public obligations in favor of their religious ones.

Within the white Evangelical movement, there is little perceived difference between religious freedom and Christian privilege. The folks defending Kim Davis are the same people who proudly proclaim that public officials are ministers of God. From the beginning, this was how Kim Davis acted and how she clearly felt. It’s nice to have her finally admit as much on cable.


Jon Green graduated from Kenyon College with a B.A. in Political Science and high honors in Political Cognition. He worked as a field organizer for Congressman Tom Perriello in 2010 and a Regional Field Director for President Obama's re-election campaign in 2012. Jon writes on a number of topics, but pays especially close attention to elections, religion and political cognition. Follow him on Twitter at @_Jon_Green, and on Google+. .

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  • vegastearoom

    $80 thousand a year is subsidizing “her voice”. She is a fraud and needs to be removed from office by the KY Legislature in January. Anyone monitoring their BDRs?

  • LanceThruster

    Fanatically devoted to derp.

  • dcinsider

    Well, you showed us, Mary Titus! I promise to stop shoving my “bedroom practices” in your face. You have my word.

    Just one question, what exactly is a bedroom practice?

  • 1nancy2

    Hahaha. Good one.

  • DoverBill

    Yo Titus,

    I take it that ya prefer yours reverse cowboy?

  • sophie

    Speak for yourself, “Titus.” I can assure you that Kim Davis does NOT represent 80% or better of “us.” Exactly who are the “us” you are referring to, I wonder. Recent polling from various credible polling organizations shows that the “80 percent” you pulled out of your ass is completely erroneous. The majority of Americans do not agree with the actions of Kim Davis, who should have lost her job due to the fact she does not have the right to shove her anti-gay bigotry in the faces of couples attempting to become married. Btw, I’m a straight, married woman with children and I don’t give a rat’s behind what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, and neither should you.

  • 1jetpackangel

    In addition to all the laws you posted:

    Matthew 5:17-19New International Version (NIV)
    17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

  • David Cohen

    Rarely has the expression “well, duh” been more apropos

  • Deuteronomy 22:29 says it’s to be 50 silver shekels. According to the Torah, a half shekel is equivalent in silver weight to 160 grains of barley, which would be around 8 grams, or double that for a full shekel. Today’s silver price is around 50 cents a gram. So that’s $8 per shekel or about $400 to buy a formerly-virgin human female of childbearing years.

    A real bargain, no?

  • Ruka Health Fitness

    I wonder what the dollar/shekel exchange rate it these days.

  • Erica Cook

    One simple accommodation, Not doing your job. No, that’s not an accommodation, that is grounds for being fired

  • There is a God.

    Prove it. And then prove this deity actually commands the hate you have in your heart. You will be entirely stymied by the first of these two epistemological challenges.

    And before you head further down the road of logical fallacies, I suggest you take a look at this simple guide here, because your last post violated several of them. I leave it as an exercise for you to figure out which ones.

  • LasloPratt

    So, Titus, explain to us just why it is you are so convinced that God is such an asshole. You have the floor…

  • Gerard Walsh

    Davis is anything but moral. She is basking in her notoriety. Wake up!!!

  • Gerard Walsh

    Exactly

  • Gerard Walsh

    Titus Corleone And you are a bigoted idiot.

  • Thom Allen

    So many errors with your post.

    No one is sure what the exact percentage of gays is. Some are still closeted and don’t list themselves as gay. Estimates range from about 3%-10% depending on the poll or research study that you read.

    Dwindling? Hardly, more gays are coming out, even in formerly sacrosanct areas like big business and sports. And straights make gay babies, so as long as straight couples reproduce, there will be gay children.

    “Kim Davis represents 80% or better of us . . . .” What base are you putting Kim Davis (and yourself) in? 80% of people are evangelicals? White? Women? Divorced? Remarried? Adulterers? Lawbreakers? Mothers of Illigitimate children? Politicians? Prostitutes?

    No one is pushing our (oh, you are so delicate here, Titus! I’ll bet you’re blushing!) “bedroom practices in our faces. You’ve obviously gone looking for gay and lesbian “bedroom practices” (just for – Ahem!- research purposes” and found them and maybe enjoyed them yourself.

    No God. If there were, He’d be most pissed a Kim, you and your kind. And He said that HE’D do the judging and told you sinners that you SHOULDN’T judge. Or get divorced

    People are born gay. You learned to be a bigot. Being gay isn’t a choice, being a bigot is.

    “Most of us are disgusted by your ‘reverse nature” practices.” Uh, no, that’s not true. You speak for you not some unnamed group. Unless you are speaking for NOM or some similar group. Are you, Titus? No, I didn’t think so. You’re just venting your closed-minded hate. from you, not some group. Now, please tell me about those “reverse nature” practices. What are they? How do we reverse Nature, a hugely powerful force? Oh, or is that another one of your delicate phrases for concupiscence (that’s a genteel word for S-E-X, Titus. Don’t want to offend your high moral sensibilities.

    Titus, better if you just regurgitate right wing/evangelical talking points. When you try to write on your own, you make the “Kim Davis 80%” and “reverse nature” statements that make no sense. But that fits with your bigotry – THAT makes no sense, either.

    No go post somewhere else about how “illegal immigrants” have taken your job or how the Pope is a communist.

  • Won’t happen because he pulled those numbers out of his ass, including the breathtaking ignorance of the fact that most gay people have straight parents, statistically speaking, and thus there is no ‘dwindling’ in numbers. In any case, I decided it was best not to engage that one for the hate is strong in him.

  • Moderator3

    Yes, he’s being watched. Personally, I hope he will explain his statistics.

  • nofauxnews

    The born again tramp has been “washed clean” and claims she is no longer “of the world”. If she is not of the world, where does the county send her $80,000 paycheck?

  • BTW, we have another drive-by anti-gay troll at the top of the heap… His Disqus comment history is just sad.

  • Titus Corleone

    Well, let’s put it this way: gays represent 2.4 percent of the population, at best, and dwindling… Kim Davis represents 80% or better of us and we are damn tired of you pushing your bedroom practices in our faces. There is a God. He sees your militancy and rebellion, and in a drop of time your lives will be over and you will be judged for your rebellion against God. If you have to be Gay, fine. You don’t have to push in people’s faces. Most of us are disgusted by your reverse nature practices.
    TC

  • I had a feeling that’d do the trick. Thanks Mod4.

  • Tone it down. This is your first warning.

  • He has just been banned, BeccaM. The “perverted” was a bridge too far.

  • slappymagoo

    “‘Marriage’ between same sexes is WRONG and perverted but if you want to support it then go ahead.”

    Sorry you feel that way. I know some bears that’d find you absolutely delicious. Let me know if you change my mind. They’re not getting any younger, Twinkles.

  • slappymagoo

    Before Dennis Miller went batpoop, he had a great line about the Born Again – “Forgive me for getting it right the first time.”

  • And once more the obligatory: If ‘God’ defined marriage ‘from the beginning of time’, we need only go to the Bible to learn… Hey, guess what? God (allegedly) defined marriage as shown in the illustration at the end of this comment. In short:

    – Women are property, first of their fathers (or male relative) and then of their husbands; women have NO say in who they are commanded to marry
    – Marrying outside one’s faith is forbidden
    – Men are free to have as many concubines and female slaves as they like, in addition to wives
    – Men are free to have as many wives as they like (and yes, all at once), with the only proviso being he has to treat Wives #2 and up the same as he treats the first one
    – From the New Testament, the advice is for priests not to have more than one wife, but this doesn’t apply to anybody else, and in any case it’s phrased merely as a recommendation
    – If a man rapes a woman, he’s supposed to pay her father for the property loss the equivalent of 50 shekels
    – A man is to marry his brother’s widow and make sure she gets preggers
    – A man may divorce a wife just by announcing it in the public square; a woman may NEVER divorce her husband
    – Marrying a divorced woman is forbidden; a divorced woman may never remarry
    – A woman not a virgin when married is to be stoned to death; same goes for adulterers- Not marriage-related but relevant: Kim Davis has authority over men in the capacity of her job as Rowan County Clerk. That’s flat out forbidden in the Bible, both Old Testament and New.

    But hey, as ever, Kim Davis betrays her ignorance on all the many family arrangements from non-Abrahamaic cultures, relying on her own limited and mistaken knowledge there is no other system of marriage — civil or religious — than the one she thinks she has a right to try to force on everyone else. It’s nonsensical and like saying, “God only created white people, because those are the only ones I’ve ever seen or am aware of.” Polygamy, polyandry, group marriages, and yes, even same-sex marriages were practiced throughout history because guess what? Nobody has actual proof that “God” defined marriage. There were just some men who said they knew what God wanted.

    And that my friends is the rhetorical fallacy known as the ‘Appeal to Heaven’ or ‘Appeal to Irrefutable Authority,’ with a generous dose of ‘Circular Reasoning.’ Doubly amusing is how the source to which they point as proof of their position doesn’t actually say what they claim it does.

    But seriously, it’s now clearly time for Judge Bunning and the rest of the courts to put a stop to this nonsense. By illegally defacing the Kentucky marriage license and certificate forms, Davis is creating legal uncertainty as to the validity of the marriages. For one thing, Kentucky state law requires a citation as to the authority of the county clerk and registrar; it does not recognize the right of a notary public to certify the lawful filing of a civil marriage license, which is what Davis has been doing.

    All it will take is an ugly divorce or a child custody fight or a family fighting over an inheritance, and any halfway competent lawyer can and will raise a question as to the validity of a marriage license that is known to be in violation of Kentucky law.

    Thus Kim Davis is continuing to defy Judge Bunning’s order not to interfere with the lawful issuing and registration of CIVIL marriage licenses, and therefore she ought to be dropped back in jail for continued contempt of court. There have to be provisions other than impeachment to appoint an interim clerk until a new election can be held, since the previous clerk has proven amply she is unwilling to obey the law, lawful court orders, and the Constitutions of both Kentucky and the United States.

  • Really? I’m guessing you have no clue how the American Supreme Court works.

    Justices are appointed for life and out of the nine serving, only two were appointed by the current President, and they had to get past a Republican controlled Senate for confirmation. And of the remaining seven, only two more were appointed by former President Bill Clinton. And a voting majority — five in all — were appointed by either Reagan, Bush the First, or Bush the Second — none of whom could be considered ‘liberal’ by any stretch of the imagination.

    But hey, you keep on about how much you hate gay people and I can about guarantee your stay here on this proudly LIBERAL and PROGRESSIVE blog will be brief. We don’t go for anti-gay hate speech around here.

  • For civil contempt, she can be jailed for up to 18 months.

  • MoonDragon

    She also neglects the admonition that, if a town rejects the message, one is to wipe the dust of the town from one’s feet, and move on.

  • therling

    Ah. The usual case of someone whining about others making ad hominem attacks while making his own ad hominem attacks.

  • FLL

    I believe you’re the one who called the justices on the Supreme Court idiots, so you’re the one who is personally abusing the Supreme Court justices you disagree with. And please don’t flatter yourself by declaring that you’ve won any argument simply by calling the Supreme Court justices idiots.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Well John Alden, I hope that I never give my unsolicited opinion on a blog that is directed at people from other countries. Having an opinion on politics of another country is normal, but knowing to share them only within our own sphere is also important. My husband has my permission to poison my Ovaltine if I cannot remember that.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Do you have some kind of cliche machine? It just seems to crank out a bunch of unrelated phases. There is one thing that is very obvious, you have no idea of how freedom of speech works. I can criticize your speech as much as I want and vice versa. The Constitution doesn’t affect that.

    Are you trying to say that religious zeal should be a part of her job? If her zeal was for the Muslim religion, would that be appropriate?

    If you want to invest in a machine, I suggest a punctuation machine.

  • MoonDragon

    I hope some smart ass asks this question of Carson and the other Klown Kar Kadets at the next debate.

  • 2karmanot

    Oh my Gawd…..logic? Kimbilly don’t do no logic….she’s born again, unpleasant as that appears in her case.

  • 2karmanot

    Love the snark! Morals? seriously? ROTFL

  • 2karmanot

    The born may be glorious, but the afterbirth is tragic.

  • tyroneshue

    what a stupid goddamn hypocrite you are, you lost the argument, gay marriage won, so you call the supreme court idiots. typical stupid fucking christian asshole

  • 2karmanot

    Oh no. You said Gawd warrior……… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqdu4Lk3Le8

  • tyroneshue

    Jamie, you’re the idiot

  • James Braid

    Ah. The usual case of when one loses an argument they turn to personally abusing their opponent . Your Supreme Court is now made up of leftie liberals chosen by your liberal – in – chief. You obviously have no idea how the UK system differs from the US one. ‘Marriage’ between same sexes is WRONG and perverted but if you want to support it then go ahead.

  • Patrick James Bayham

    i must ask….
    patiently…
    when did you decide to become a moron of majestic proportions ?
    freedom of speech. everyone gets a say.. (ever heard of the constitution ?)
    especially when pointing out how stupid religious zeal is NOT a requirement of the her job.
    its actually the opposite..
    but thanks for playing.
    Education is hard.
    maybe the pope can “bless “you ,it will be okay.

  • Patrick James Bayham

    they don’t decide law,they interpret law…who is the idiot?

  • Patrick James Bayham

    They should try growing up before being born again.

  • Patrick James Bayham

    Fuckabee and her lawyers….found the gravy train!

  • Patrick James Bayham

    Go spread lies.

  • Patrick James Bayham

    shut the office down.transfer everyone.

  • Bruce

    This is also very much about her “15 minutes of fame” and trying to extend it as long as possible. How long will it be before news of a book deal comes out.

  • Bill_Perdue

    And getting martyr money from true believers.

  • FLL

    Off-topic but fun. From the New York Daily News comes an article (link here) of a new novel that pokes fun at Kim Davis and her stint in jail: Kim goes to Jail: An Erotic Story.

  • FLL

    …decided by idiots ?

    Thank you for offering such an insightful argument against our Supreme Court’s decision on marriage equality. Do you think you’ve swayed anyone? I suppose, in your humble opinion, that most British members of parliament and two thirds of Irish voters are idiots as well. Can you please find the flat rock that you crawled out from under and kindly crawl back?

  • FLL

    Her “voice,” as she calls it, is nothing more than an admission that she lied when she took her oath of office to uphold the Constitution. She has clearly stated that she wants to run the Rowan county clerk’s office according to biblical rules, in direct defiance of the U.S. Constitution, which states that there is no established religion.

  • StraightGrandmother

    That is a great word, self-righteousness.

  • keirmeister

    I don’t agree with your original point. But yeah. Ouch.

  • keirmeister

    Hee hee. Yep, even if the law is decided by idiots. That’s how it works. Sometimes “being right” doesn’t always win.

  • keirmeister

    Actually, indoctrination doesn’t take that long. I gotta say, I’ve always despised “Born Again Christians.”

    Imagine a person whose life was utter crap, then they found a “solution” that turned their life around. Many people would be eager to share this life-changing solution with others around them. Its pretty basic human nature actually.

    But GOD!!! Many born again Christians take this to 11. It can get intrusive and non-ending. One guy tried to “save” me once, and when I politely said “no thank you,” he started insulting me, calling me a sinner and “lost.” Self-righteousness is another common trait of that crowd.

    So I was raised on this stuff, and turned my back on it because I found it false. But someone like Kim Davis will embrace it quickly. She considers it her salvation after all, and is eager to prove her worthiness.

    I honestly shouldn’t psychoanalyze her like that, but I’ve seen this game played too many times.

  • James Braid

    Even if the law is decided by idiots ?

  • nicho

    If she had been brought up this way, as you were, I could understand this. But she’s only been in this Christianity racket for a few months. Before that she was spreading her legs instead of the good news. She’s just a charlatan hogging the spotlight — and I’m sure is being goaded on by some backwoods preacher.

  • Kelly R Burnett

    lol, your ignorance is showing, the law will always trump religion.

  • nicho

    She’s playing the martyr. Christians love being martyrs. They love being in the spotlight.

  • keirmeister

    Back in those early years of Sunday school, I was taught that “Gospel” was short for “GO SPrEad Life.”

    That is, as a good Christian, it was my responsibility to spread the Word of God to all that could hear it, to help save souls. Proselytizing was a FUNDAMENTAL act of the faithful. Essentially, the notion is, “I’m going to save your soul for the Lord even if it kills you.” Oh, and (just like a jihadist) being persecuted for defending the will of God is the ultimate proof of one’s devotion.

    Proselytizing and Persecution.

    When you are “chosen” by God to deliver His message, why would the laws of men take precedence over the will of your Savior? How could anyone expect otherwise?

    I think this is Kim Davis’ perspective, and why she is “confused” by the negative reactions. The problem is that she’s fucking wrong, a fucking hypocrite, and fucking deluded.

    Kim Davis doesn’t care about her name being affixed to some paper. She is juicing this issue to set herself up as a God Warrior. It is a classical ego trip that has been played by charlatans since the beginning of time.

  • nicho

    Putting your hand on a bible and taking an oath to uphold the constitution and then refusing to do what you swore to do is having morals and principles? Maybe in your twisted universe. If she can’t do shat she solemnly swore to do, she needs to resign. That would be the principled thing to do. Right now, she is accepting money under false pretenses. That’s immoral.

  • James Braid

    Americans would never get involved in something that doesn’t concern them ?. Let’s think about that for a moment !.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Every court she’s appealed (with the help of her bigot allies) has turned her down, she should be jailed over and over for contempt, since the penalty is only a few months.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Thank you. I was impatiently waiting for someone from the United Kingdom to give their opinion of something that doesn’t concern them.

  • James Braid

    Davis is a lady with morals and principles, sadly lacking in many others.

  • MoonDragon

    Okay, Kim. Riddle me this: some of your like-minded fellow travelers say, because Islam is incompatible with the Constitution in that Sharia religious law would trump the laws of the US in the eyes of practicing Muslims, they are unfit for public office. Since you, as a devout practicing Christian, put the laws of your religion above the laws you swore an oath to uphold, does this not mean Christianity is incompatible with the Constitution, and Christians are unfit for public office?

  • HeartlandLiberal

    After her clerk filed a few days ago pointing out to the judge of Davis had returned to office and changed the format of the licenses, I am trying to understand why the judge has not already had her arrested and returned to jail. She was clearly in breech of the court’s order the moment she did that.

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