Lawyer defending conversion therapy: Gays are Satanic. Well, maybe just the LGBT movement

Charles LiMandri is the lawyer representing the Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing (JONAH), an ex-gay conversion therapy group that is suing the state of New Jersey over its recent law banning their practice and others like them. He is also president and chief counsel at the anti-gay Freedom and Conscience Defense Fund.

And he has some interesting thoughts about Satan and The Gays.

In an interview recorded earlier this month with Catholic Answers, reported on by The Advocate yesterday, LiMandri predicted that the LGBT movement would go too far in its advocacy because “Satan does frequently overplay his hand.”

Here’s the video:

It should be noted that the host of the show immediately realized how LiMandri’s remarks would be interpreted, and encouraged him to clarify that he didn’t actually mean it when he called homosexuality Satanic. That’s when things got worse:

LiMandri: We’re not saying any individual person is evil or bad. We’re not judging anyone — that’s God’s business. But you know, I’m not alone: The last three popes that I’ve mentioned have said that this is an evil that’s being inflicted on society. Not any individual, but the ideology. Pope Francis recently called this gender ideology “demonic.” And Pope John Paul II — a saint, of course — said it was “an evil ideology” as well.

Host: If you did a LexisNexis search of “Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio,” “prince of darkness,” “father of lies,” “Satan,” “gender agenda” and “gay marriage” it’s amazing how many times he’s mentioned Satan with respect to the one being behind this drive to defuse and destroy the family.

LiMandri: Well he said, when he was the Cardinal in Argentina, that it was the machination of the father of lies to confuse people.

Diablo lindo, via Mike Slichenmyer / Flickr

Diablo lindo, via Mike Slichenmyer / Flickr

LiMandri’s perverse permutation of “love the sinner, hate the sin” would chalk the entire LGBT movement up to “Satan made us do it.” This is especially ironic given that if that really were the case, it would imply that homosexual behavior isn’t a choice, thereby invalidating the very conversion therapy he is defending on the grounds that LGBT people can change if their parents force them to they want to. It takes a perfectly circular theology to argue in defense of gay conversion therapy on the grounds that LGBT teens both do and do not have the ability to alter their sexuality at will.

It’s also especially important to note that, in attempting to clarify his remarks so as to assure the LGBT community that he doesn’t think the individuals who comprise it are evil — just the movement itself — he dragged the entire Catholic Church down with him. Had the host left LiMandri’s “Satan does frequently overplay his hand” comment at that, the comments would have been incredibly insulting but confined to LiMandri and the radio show. Given the opportunity to walk his comments back, LiMandri instead reminded us that it’s not just him: The world’s highest Catholic authorities know what the Devil wants, and he wants your kids to be gay.

One might say that, in this attempt at a defense, LiMandri overplayed his hand.


Jon Green graduated from Kenyon College with a B.A. in Political Science and high honors in Political Cognition. He worked as a field organizer for Congressman Tom Perriello in 2010 and a Regional Field Director for President Obama's re-election campaign in 2012. Jon writes on a number of topics, but pays especially close attention to elections, religion and political cognition. Follow him on Twitter at @_Jon_Green, and on Google+. .

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23 Responses to “Lawyer defending conversion therapy: Gays are Satanic. Well, maybe just the LGBT movement”

  1. DoverBill says:

    Could it be a sincerely-held religious belief?

  2. DoverBill says:

    The Crusades, The Inquisition… let me count the ways.

  3. DoverBill says:

    I am attacking religious hate-filled hypocrites. No more, no less.

    Did I hit a nerve?

  4. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    It’s always pathetic when someone upvotes their own comment.

    Don’t forget to add the rape of children by pedophile priests. I don’t doubt that the church has done good over the years, but it has also done evil. If the church was truly interested it doing good, the riches of the Vatican could go a long, long way.

  5. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    On what are you basing this information? Chances are quite good that you weren’t there. I can find articles or books that say you are wrong, such as Homosexuality and Civilization by Louis Crompton. What do you have?

  6. Jg Talented1 says:

    No homos died in the inquisition. Sheer myth.

  7. Jg Talented1 says:

    Who are you to attack Judaism, the Catholic church or the church in its entirety? The church is not a vile, hate-filled institution just because you post your vile opinion. Yes, the church has been feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, giving shelter to the homeless and destitute, comforting the evievilrpovertyracisimorphan, helping families who’ve been ravaged by disaster. The church fights illiteracy,

  8. Butch1 says:

    Religion was invented to control the masses and to explain the in-explainable of the times.

  9. Butch1 says:

    If you do that you are rewarded with a piece of cake.

    Just keep praying and everything will be alright. . . .

  10. Butch1 says:

    It makes them look so important when they “pontificate.” ;-)

    Just think how many poor that costume could feed if they sold it.

  11. Butch1 says:

    Torture them into confessing and then, kill them. That’s the way they did it back then and it wouldn’t surprise me if he wouldn’t approve of it today. One knows Ted Cruz and his dad would.

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  14. DoverBill says:

    The crème de la crème of The Devil Made Me Do It?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czk3KqThfVE

    After all, how can a merciful Lord forgive if there’s no Devil to stir up trouble?

  15. DoverBill says:

    All ya have to do is deny science and suspend reality.

    After that, I understand it’s a piece of cake.

  16. DoverBill says:

    “We’re not judging anyone…”?

    Then exactly what is it that your vile, hate-filled institution is doing… feeding the poor?

    Is a hypocrite capable of recognizing hypocrisy… even in others?

  17. BeccaM says:

    Just gotta love the way LiMandri says it’s not his place to judge people…and the very next words out of his mouth are nothing but judgment based on what he thinks his god demands.

    And even better how he says it’s not just fallible humans making mistakes, but Satan himself intervening.

    I betcha he pines for the days of the Inquisition, when gay people were tortured to death in the name of driving out demonic influences.

  18. 2karmanot says:

    Hmmmmmmm, Could be the Prince of Satin? hmm

  19. Bob Munck says:

    Satan was invented simply as a way for rather primitive people to explain away bad behavior.

    And god was invented to make them think they’d eventually be punished for bad behavior, even though it was obvious that evil-doers often lived long, happy lives and died peaceably. A moral code that has to depend on threats of violence isn’t much of a moral code.

    In what sense is their concept of Satan not an (evil) god, and aren’t they supposed to be monotheistic?

  20. Bob Munck says:

    Satan was invented simply as a way for rather primitive people to explain away bad behavior.

    And god was invented to make them think they’d eventually be punished for bad behavior, even though it was obvious that evil-doers often lived long, happy lives and died peaceably. A moral code that has to depend on threats of violence isn’t much of a moral code.

    In what sense is their concept of Satan not an (evil) god, and aren’t they supposed to be monotheistic?

  21. The_Fixer says:

    Satan was invented simply as a way for rather primitive people to explain away bad behavior. “I don’t know why I did that, it must have been somebody else controlling me.”

    It is completely amazing to me that, in an era where we have space travel, nearly instant communication with people on the other side of the world, and the ability to synthesize exotic chemical compounds there are actually people who believe there is a devil (and his counterpart, a god). Every one of these abilities would have been regarded as satanic in bygone eras.

    Yet we still have people ridiculously clinging to such silliness. What’s worse, they are given credibility and not laughed out of the public discourse, as they should be.

  22. nicho says:

    Interesting that he brings up Satan while defending a Jewish group since Jews don’t believe in Satan, at least as this law school flunkie uses the term.

  23. goulo says:

    The whole notion of supposedly intelligent educated adults debating what relation a mythical being like Satan might have to anything at all is silly in the first place. Imagine someone saying in all sincerity that Hermes or Loki is secretly pulling the strings behind the gay rights movement; it would be ridiculous. Yet somehow Jewish and Christian talking heads spouting off about Satan get taken seriously by many people.

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