She thinks white gay men act too black woman-y. Uh ok.

It’s an odd article. And part of the ongoing trend I noted last year of the corporate media publishing sensational anti-gay stories in a last-ditch effort to get more readers before this new economy takes us all under.

The latest entry is Time magazine’s borderline racist, and definitely homophobic, attack on “white gay men” for “stealing” black female culture.

Apparently, gay isn’t just the new black, it’s too black.

In particular, white gay is too black. All white gays. According to the author, Sierra Mannie, we all want to be black women, or something.

Hmm. This gay man isn’t entirely sure who, if anyone, he “acts” like, but it’s definitely not a woman of any race.

It’s a bizarre article.

Here, have a looksie (was that too feminine a word?):

You are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. There is a clear line between appreciation and appropriation

I need some of you to cut it the hell out. Maybe, for some of you, it’s a presumed mutual appreciation for Beyoncé and weaves that has you thinking that I’m going to be amused by you approaching me in your best “Shanequa from around the way” voice. I don’t know. What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote Madea, who told you that your booty was getting bigger than hers, how cute you think it is to call yourself a strong black woman, who taught you to twerk, how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming — you are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. It is not yours. It is not for you.

Oh, and she brings up “privilege” too.  I’ve written about privilege before. It’s a concept that’s become trendy (and trite) of late among the great-angry-thinkers of the left, though it’s not entirely without merit. But sadly, it’s usually brought up when someone’s losing an argument and desperately needs to shut their opponent up, and down.

In addition to bringing up the “fact” that gays can “hide” who they are, so apparently they’re not as discriminated against as black women (try that “you can hide” excuse on someone Jewish, then get back to me), Mannie then goes off about how great white gays have it.  You see, they’re “white,” and all white people have a fabulous life in America.

Black people can’t have anything. Any of these things include, but aren’t limited to: a general sense of physical safety, comfort with law enforcement, adequate funding and appreciation for black spaces like schools and neighborhoods, appropriate venues for our voices to be heard about criticism of issues without our race going on trial because of it, and solid voting rights (cc: Chris McDaniel).

And then, when you thought this pillaging couldn’t get any worse, extracurricular black activities get snatched up, too: our music, our dances, our slang, our clothing, our hairstyles. All of these things are rounded up, whitewashed and repackaged for your consumption. But here’s the shade — the non-black people who get to enjoy all of the fun things about blackness will never have to experience the ugliness of the black experience, systemic racism and the dangers of simply living while black. Though I suppose there’s some thrill in this “rolling with the homies” philosophy some adopt, white people are not racially oppressed in the United States of America.

Yes, it’s so easy being gay and white in America.

Matthew Shepard.

Matthew Shepard.

I’m not going to waste additional time on Sierra Mannie’s excellent impression of Suey Park. She’s simply another actor in the grand critical-theory drama that has empowered so many among the farthest reaches of the left.  But what I find most sad isn’t Mannie’s racism or homophobia. Rather, it’s Time magazine giving voice to it at all.

I mean, seriously — Time magazine is printing anal-sex jibes about gay men? (“[H]ow funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming.”) Is this really what the dismal economic climate for media, old and new, has finally led us to?

I’ve written before about how bad it is economically for all of us.  I’d be hard-pressed to guess any media site that’s actually been making good money these past 5 years since the economy collapsed.  A lot of your favorite sites, old media and new alike, are probably nearing the end of their lifespan as revenues refuse to pick up sufficiently.  I’ve done ample chicken-little warnings. When your favorite sites close down, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

But nonetheless, in the drive for eyeballs, it’s one thing to post cat videos at night (we do), it’s another entirely to post bigoted drivel in the hopes that controversy will equal ad dollars (we don’t).  At some point, if we can’t afford to stay in this business as news people, then it’s time to leave, rather than water down the product to such a degree that the lines are permanently blurred yellow.

And before you leave, do read H. Alan Scott’s brilliant take-down of Sierra Mannie. It’s delicious. It wasn’t Scott, but someone else I read, who noted that it wasn’t white gay men who created the whole talking-like-a-black-gurl thing. It was black gay men, dating back to the era of Paris is Burning, a wonderful documentary about drag and poor gay black kids in NYC in 1991. It’s not about mocking women, black or white. For these kids it was about empowerment. It’s an amazing documentary.

One of the neatest things about that documentary, for me at least, was the notion of drag as blending, fitting in. That anyone could be anything, could look “real,” if they simply had the right clothes. I just love the concept, and it’s not untrue. What does a businessman look like? Or an immigrant? Or a gay man? We ascribe so much to the “way” someone looks. And drag turns that on its head.

I wish gay white people would stop acting like black women.

And PS, this.


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    The original headline for the post in the Daily Mississippian is “Dear White Gays.”

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    I doubt that she wrote the headline — chalk that one up to Time’s staff trying to stir up the s**t.

  • woodroad34

    Wasn’t that NOM’s war plan?

  • woodroad34

    This woman’s article has so offended me, that I can’t see straight or forget about it. She’s as bad as Donald Wildmon, Tony Perkins, Rick Santorum, or Phyllis Schlafly in her over-the-top depiction of all white gay males. Frankly, being a white gay male, if I wanted to act like ANY sassy woman, it would be like my mom or my aunts. They’ve got the rural northern Baptist/Methodist thing down pat and they’ll give you bad dreams if you don’t do what they tell you.

    When I’ve written about my opposition to this woman’s article and her illogical premise and the lack of respect for something that’s obviously flattering (who doesn’t like being emulated? Most people want to be popular), I’d get responses like “you’re just wrong” or “Mistah, I’ve had white dudes come up to me and tell me how they like Dave Chapell” as if trying to find a common point between two people was wrong or disgusting. This woman is an isolationist who wants to sit in a little room somewhere and be “herself”.

    BTW, what, exactly, is black woman culture? Seriously, I want to know–no joke. Neck rotations? Finger Wagging? Shoving their breasts in your face menacingly? Threatening violence if you don’t do what they say? My mom/aunts did that a looooong time ago (except for the neck rotations) as did white female friends and a white female boss. If it’s the “sass” factor, weren’t drag queens doing Betty Davis, Katherine Hepburn, Joan Crawford, Gloria Swanson or Talleulah Bankhead far in advance of “the sassy black woman?” Nothing is “stolen” that is freely given, especially when you see a black comedienne do a stereotypical version on most TV comedy shows. Catch phrases and catch gestures get people noticed and copied.

  • scottrose

    So take the example of a more dark-skinned superstar, Larry Brownlee, the operatic tenor, feted throughout Europe and the toast of New York. He and his career hardly prove that there is no anti-black prejudice, but they show that barriers to achievement are not absolute for black people. By contrast, there has yet to be an out gay president of the United States. Or a Jewish one. And let’s not forget that there are black Jews, some of which have experienced anti-Jewish discrimination at the hands of black Christians.

  • scottrose

    To be accused of “stealing” in this instance would be absurd anyway.

    Does she hold any copyright on anything other than her stupid essay?

    If one, or ten million males imitate a woman, is she any less female?

    This is the argument we hear from the likes of Maggie Gallagher — that same-sex marriage “devalues” her heterosexual marriage, i.e. that same-sex couples marrying steals something from her.

    The argument has been laughed out of the courts. Mannie has no evidence that any white gay male has “stolen” anything from her.

  • scottrose

    Supposing I’m in Mississippi and want to marry another gay man.

    I go to the clerk’s office and ask for a marriage license.

    The clerk does NOT say, “Normally we don’t issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, but because you’re white, we’ll give you one.”

    Do you get it?

  • scottrose

    The headline is addressed to “white gay” not to “some.”

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    Yeah, well there’s that.

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    She moves from the “some of you” to a general condemnation of white gay men because of our “privilege” (a concept that has a kernel of truth to it but which has been blown way out of proportion). The bulk of her article assumes “all” — she doesn’t have to say it.

    And if, as FLL noted, she were to specify that she’s writing about a tiny minority of white gay men, there’s no point in writing the article to begin with.

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    I had a young roomate from NYC who did this – ten years ago. He talked about his inner black woman, named Shanaynay. So, there’s one. And he mentioned having a few friends who did the same, so I’ll bet there are several dozen or even hundreds more. I’ll bet there are even more people who’ve eaten chocolate-covered ants, though.

  • cambridgemac

    Well, not exactly for no reason. The powerful and their lieutenants have often done this. The Romans called it Divide et Impera – Divide and Rule (or Conquer). It has a long history in the US, e.g. pitting working class white people against black people. And so on.

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  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    I agree on that one.

  • http://heimaey.us/ heimaey

    And why is Time supporting this? Why are they pitting two minorities against each other? Because they’ve lost all credibility.

  • http://heimaey.us/ heimaey

    Honestly all gay men (white, black, hispanic, etc.) can put on affectations that are “reserved” for black women, but really a lot of this originally stems from gay men. Who “owns” anything?

  • FLL

    It’s fine that you read John’s post to the end. I don’t expect you to read every comment on the thread, so here’s an excerpt from mine:

    “However, I hope this woman understands that she’s talking about only a tiny minority of white gay men. Yet strangely, she gives no indication in her article that she understands that, which makes her sound just plain weird. Unless she qualifies her argument and admits that she is only talking about a tiny percentage of white gay men, she is assuming that most white gay men want to act like women in general and black women specifically. That assumption is both homophobic and obviously untrue.

    You don’t have to look for the word “all” because readers aren’t stupid, and the average reader can certainly understand an implied main idea. By implying that she’s describing the behavior of a large percentage of (or even most) white gay men, Sierra Manning is making a fool of herself. By giving her implied argument your approval, you’re making a fool of yourself. I would offer you the same advice as I would offer Sierra Manning: you really need to get around more.

  • Jonathan Hinkle

    You say, in summarizing the article’s author’s viewpoint in your own words, “In particular, white gay is too black. All white gays.” You emphasized “all”.

    In the first quote you pull out of the article, she says “I need some of you to cut it the hell out.” I’d like to emphasize “some”.

    I read the linked article and paid attention to every use of the world “all”. Nowhere does she say all white gays do anything.

    If you want to criticize someone’s argument, consider NOT turning it into a caricature of itself. It’s not becoming, and doesn’t really make anyone want to pay attention to what you have to say. The author of the article is not such an idiot as to make the argument you attribute to her.

  • nicho

    No, that’s not what I meant.

  • FLL

    I can only hope that one day Sierra Mannie will run into her (gay?) Groucho Marx:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seYikCrWMVg

  • http://heimaey.us/ heimaey

    Time’s pitting two minorities against each other for no reason.

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    I shudder at the thought of a world in which no one cared enough for
    another culture to bother with “appropriating” anything from it.

  • Jade

    This was my first reaction too. This article doesn’t just highlight the dismal state of media, but also the dismal state of education. It’s fucking scary.

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    Have you considered the possibility that she is a NOM plant?

    She is so vile in her homophobia, that I can not even imagine a gay male of whatever race feeling safe enough around her to use what conventionally are considered female mannerisms.

    If we’re all in agreement that very few white gay males at all ever do the things she describes in her essay, then we should be even more strongly in agreement that gay white males would not at all feel safe around her. And since when did any gay white male walk up to a black woman he did not know and immediately start imitating black women?

    The whole set-up she describes lacks credibility.

    Then too — think of what she chose to write about. A hackneyed anti-gay stereotype of all gay males behaving as women. No gay Latino males in the picture. Black versus white, heterosexual versus homosexual; it is from the NOM playbook.

  • scottrose

    Heterosupremacist notions like the one the anti-gay bigot Mannie expressed come from a real enemy of gay people.

    “You’re suffering as a gay person is nothing!” is classic heterosupremacist thought.

    She actually wrote in her essay that all of the (perceived) automatic advantages of being white and heterosexual will “float back” to gay men, if only the gay men will hide that they are gay.

    Her assumption that all gay men are equally able to hide that they are gay, is again classic heterosupremacist thinking.

    “Oh, you just spent five decades with your life partner and a hospital refused to let you in to see him on his death bed?” “Tough shit for you. You should have acted like a heterosexual and then you wouldn’t have been in that position.”

    Or to put this another way, any gay person who wrote an essay chock full of anti-black bigotry would (rightly) be criticized for their bigotry.

  • 2karmanot

    Same here lassie!

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Careful, dear. ;-)

    Actually it’s Irish and I learned it from my mother’s parents. It’s also a personal affectation…which according to Ms. Mannie is probably my unforgivable theft of traditional Celtic culture

  • kwd

    It seems to me like the reaction of someone who worries that her monopoly on professional outrage and victimhood is threatened. We still have far to go regarding fairness and equality in this country, but with every step forward the Sierra Mannies lose one more justification for remaining eternally offended.

    Mr. Aravosis – thank you for your comments about this trendy “privilege” retort – you hit the nail on the head on why it’s so irritating and lame.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    From the original over on TIME, it appears they simply reprinted an opinion piece she wrote for the University of Mississippi student paper. And as I noted in another comment, she’s senior studying for an undergrad degree in English and classic lit.

    I think you hit the nail on the head though. One oppressed minority identifying another oppressed minority — and claiming the 2nd minority enjoys special ‘privileges’ which must be ‘checked’ upon demand from the “more deserving, more oppressed” first minority. Not only does nobody win this particular pissing contest, it ignores the real enemies: The establishment majority. That is, the ones actually DOING the oppressing.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Or perhaps I should say baye-sexual :)

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    “Aye.” Is that old white bisexual talk?

    ;-)

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Aye, she is.

  • The_Fixer

    I have deep problems with Sierra Mannie’s piece.

    First off, I have met precious few of the people she is describing. I was at our region’s Pride festival this weekend, and although I did not meet all of the 5,000 or so people who attended, I did circulate quite a bit and heard none of the people she describes. Zero. While it is possible that there was one person like that it in the crowd, that hardly constitutes even a notable quantity of people. She wrote an entire column about this virtually non-existent appropriation of culture. It makes one wonder if perhaps Ms. Mannie needed a quick column and settled on this?

    Further, the following was not particularly well thought-out:

    Any of these things include, but aren’t limited to: a general sense of physical safety, comfort with law enforcement…

    I don’t think you need to talk to gay people about a general sense of physical safety or a sense of comfort with law enforcement. Does she not know the history of gay people, the harassment that certainly does not lend itself to a sense of personal safety? How about our rocky relationship with law enforcement, and how what we do in the privacy of our own homes was, at one time, illegal (and that there are still places with such laws on the books)?

    In the end, I think she needed a column and didn’t have anything of substance prepared, she took one of her personal pet peeves about an incident that happened in her presence and made it into the column.

    Further, it’s another one of those “I’ve suffered more than you” exercises in martyrdom. Not to minimize anyone’s suffering, but it’s not a contest. Nobody wins.

  • DRoseDARs

    Sierra, gay men will stop “appropriating” everything “black” and “woman” just as soon as you stop appropriating everything “white” like clothing, technology, the English language…

    Or, you could just stop with your ridiculous and offensive argument.

  • perljammer

    Imitation used to be the sincerest form of flattery. Now I guess it’s just cultural hijacking. Tell you what: if I ever see a gay person imitating a straight white guy with blond hair and blue eyes, I’m gonna be pissed. But of course, I’m speaking from privilege.

  • FLL

    I mentioned above that only the very occasional white gay man may imitate the speech patterns of black women when speaking to a black woman. But as far as the concept you quoted, “white gay men talking about inner black women”… I think in this case, Sierra Mannie is searching for the equivalent of Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Added the link to the end of my story, she’s spot on.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Me neither.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    You mean, getting kinda petty and nasty? ;-)

  • FLL

    I suppose this author, Sierra Mannie, could find it annoying if she ran into even the very occasional white gay man who was using speech patterns associated with black women, especially if the individual was mocking black women in the process. However, I hope this woman understands that she’s talking about only a tiny minority of white gay men. Yet strangely, she gives no indication in her article that she understands that, which makes her sound just plain weird. Unless she qualifies her argument and admits that she is only talking only a tiny percentage of white gay men, she is assuming that most white gay men want to act like women in general and black women specifically. That assumption is both homophobic and obviously untrue. Um… how can I put this politely? Sierra Mannie really needs to get around more. This reminds me of the conversation between Groucho Marx and his comedy foil on screen, Margaret Dumont:

    Margaret Dumont: “I’ve never been so insulted in my life!”
    Groucho Marx: “You should get around more.”

  • 2karmanot

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  • Elijah Shalis

    Beyonce has her skin lightened in photos and on stage. That is another article for another time.

  • nicho

    I, for one, think that it’s the other way around. Black women are acting like white gay men.

  • Ryan

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    I see an analogy with #NotAllMen/#YesAllWomen. A minority of men do the things that women will complain about, but that doesn’t lessen the impact for those who are on the receiving end. Responding to a person’s complaint that Group X does Thing Y by ridiculing the statement “Every single person in Group X does Thing Y” is a common strategy to shut down a person’s complaint without having to address it.

    I’m not going to defend the specifics of her article. My main concern is that some of the tactics used by John in his response are not conducive to improving the discussion.

  • emjayay

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  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    And everything online not only is true, one or a few isolated instances can be taken as a valid generalization of the stereotypical behavior and culture of an entire disparate and varied group of individuals. Got it.

  • Ryan

    I haven’t seen it in person, but I have seen it online.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    It is worth noting though that Ms. Mannie is merely a senior at UMiss majoring in classics and English (translation: utterly unemployable after graduation), and her homophobic screed originally appeared in a student newspaper.

    For TIME, their decision reprint Ms. Mannie’s dreck is pure clickbait. And it’s been working.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    And these ‘white gay men talking about inner black women’ exist where?

    I’ve never met one.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    It’s homophobia, pure and simple, and yet Sierra Mannie’s post also carries with it the distinct whiff of racism as well as cultural chauvinism.

    But mostly it’s rampant homophobia. “Don’t behave that way because it offends me.” And then she fills her granted column inches with stereotypes, false generalizations, and heaps of chip-on-shoulder victimhood, as if the mere existence of gay males diminishes her and her life as a human being.

    Culture can’t be stolen. It just is. Demanding gay men stop behaving a certain way is no less offensive than some white person telling African Americans to stop acting so…black.

    I’ll add something else, a little test I like to make whenever someone opines about homosexuality, and especially when they’re slamming gay white men. For the purposes of the point they’re making, do non-white gay men exist at all? (In Mannie’s post, no, they don’t.)

    And then the usual follow-up, which nearly always fails when the point being made is one motivated by rank homophobia: Do lesbian women, of any background or origin, enter the picture at all?

    Anyway, closing with the phrase ‘Check your privilege” and presenting herself as the arbiter of acceptable behavior — while at the same time making it sound like it’s easy-peasy to be a gay white male — is a dead giveaway. ‘Check your privilege’ is just a jargon-y way of saying “Shut up and be invisible so I can pretend you don’t exist.”

  • mooresart

    I used to watch In Living Color with two straight buddies and we all three would laugh until the tears came — never did I have a sense they were doing anything but laughing with me but they were secure, evolved guys so there’s that. I always thought comedy was the best way to bring gay culture into mainstream culture i.e., Will and Grace.

    I’m the only gay person living in a straight retirement community. One day I had a tiff with the management and my next door neighbor’s (straight male) comment was:
    “pissing off a gay man is like pissing off a black woman” and we all rolled with laughter. Everyone got it. No offense was intended and none was taken.

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    #NotAllWhiteGayMen?

    I can understand why a black woman would be offended by white gay men talking about inner black women.

  • Indigo

    That’s the kind of nonsense that will bring back segregation quick enough to satisfy the Tea Party.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    And if she really wants to go there, how many more gay black men are going to die because of this kind of hatred forcing them to stay on the down-low, while reinforcing homophobia in the straight black community. If she wants to talk about privilege, let’s talk about privilege.

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    The entire ‘meterosexual’ phenomenon was born of straight men mimicking gay men.

    And it’s a good thing.

  • http://musephotos.wordpress.com/ GarySFBCN

    Regarding the flame war – I agree and shame on Time Magazine for promoting this idiot. I saw her on CNN. She is truly an airhead, projecting her very limited experience with ‘white gays’ to all ‘white gays’. She is homophobic and 100% unaware of her heterosexual privilege. I find her more homophobic than racist, except for maybe her tacit disgust for black gay men. But she seems to give black gay men a pass on appropriating black women’s “culture,” ie twerking, ‘talk to the hand’, ‘gurl’, etc.

    And you would be surprised at how many ‘white gays’ do not believe that there is white privilege.

  • http://musephotos.wordpress.com/ GarySFBCN

    Agreed.

  • TampaZeke

    How ironic that she used Beyonce and Tyler Perry as examples of black culture that the evil gays have stolen. You’d have to be an idiot to miss the absurdity so obvious in that complaint. I think gay men (of all colors) were probably more responsible for CREATING these two celebrities and their public images than they were for stealing from them. I doubt Beyonce will be jumping on Mannie’s bandwagon.

  • TampaZeke

    I don’t think any sane person denies that there is white privilege. My issue with Mannie is her attacking white, gay men specifically. I mean honestly, a black woman in Oxford, MISSISSIPPI (a state that just passed an anti-gay Jim Crow law that applies to all gay people. Even white, male ones) couldn’t find another, more worthy target for her ire? Just how many white, gay men does she know in Mississippi and how many of them exhibit the behavior she finds so offensive? As a native of Oxford I can assure you of two things: 1) Gay, white men should be the LEAST of her pressing concerns in Mississippi and 2) She doesn’t know many out gay men in Mississippi. Most of them are DEEP in the closet and living with the wives and children; and if she knows more than a few she would have to admit that most of them don’t behave in the way that she stereotyped.

    This was a flame war hit job, point blank. NOM and other anti-gay conservatives will be beside themselves with glee. She’ll become a poster child for the black vs. gay/gay vs. black, divide and conquer agenda.

  • emjayay

    It wasn’t the white musicians who were screwing black artists financially though. And sometimes it was black label and club owners too.

  • HereinDC

    Amen!

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    I did think of writing a piece telling straight men to stop acting so gay :)

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    They were controversial. They were hysterical, but you do always run into the “laughing at you or laughing with you” problem.

  • nicho

    Incredible! Time Magazine is still around? Apparently, and still as bad as ever. Always was a piece of crap — right from its old days as a CIA propaganda outlet.

  • http://musephotos.wordpress.com/ GarySFBCN

    Yes but there are hundreds, maybe thousands of examples of abuse of theft of black musicians perpetuated by the ‘music industry.’ It was more than just appropriation and because of that, even what is obviously 100% flattering appropriation has a bit of a sting to many.

  • Drew2u

    This is the best rebuttal of the article I’ve read: http://someoq.wordpress.com/2014/07/10/dear-sierra-mannie/

    With that said, I’m glad that this americablog article addresses the underlying issue of the published TIME piece: The fact that such an article got published in a widely-renowned (YMMV) magazine with a reach to a large swath of the American public either through direct subscription or by access through places such as public libraries or waiting rooms.

    I do wonder if that article is present in International versions.

  • 2karmanot

    How about this rather succinct and blunt moue of critical theory for Sierra Mannie: ” Eat s**t and die.” There, that just about wraps it up.

  • emjayay

    This is an old argument, although she probably thinks she thought of it. Elvis was accused for appropriating black music. “Hound Dog” was originally a black blues song, for example. But he and others combined the blues with the very white country tradition which goes back to English folk song and stuff like that. And the blues and jazz are black invented musical forms played on European instruments using European musical concepts. It’s how stuff works.

  • emjayay

    Thanks for posting that episode of Men on Film I hadn’t seen. I thought those were really well done and hilarious, and no doubt involved gay writers and costumers or at least those close to that stuff. But at the time I believe they were controversial in the gay community.

    Back then Frameline used to produce a TV commercial about their film festival every year in San Francisco which they also ran a lot onscreen during the festival. One year it was particularly incomprehensible. I was at the Castro theater one day when they ran it and someone called out “Hated it!” and everyone cracked up, clearly indicating a lot of us did watch and enjoy these segments.

  • http://musephotos.wordpress.com/ GarySFBCN

    She is homophobic and the article is bullshit. I guess we can rant about the straight men who pierced their ears and more recently, pierced their nipples – these were once confined to the gay community.

    The Izod polo shirt was a ‘gay uniform’ outside of the tennis court but now look at the ‘appropriation.’ Appropriation that isn’t done for profit is a form of flattery. And what does it say about our culture when there is an argument over who owns ‘twerking’? Seriously?

    But…it is ignorant to think that whites (gay, straight, female, male) don’t have “privilege” in this society.

    I will take back those words once it becomes the norm for people to be pulled-over by cops for for driving while “white.” There are THOUSANDS of other examples of privilege but I’m sure that reactionary folks are never gonna believe it, even though it is black and white.

  • emjayay

    Yes John, and the mention of Suey Park in this is the first I’ve seen. Both are very young women who took some college classes and think they now have something important to say, and got a platform for it. Suey Park is of course so predictably doctrinaire she is a parody of herself. Is her 15 minutes of fame over yet, I hope?

  • Elijah Shalis

    Wow, Just Wow. So let me get this straight 1) They say we have been bottoming for black males and 2) That the black female as exclusive rights to being bitchy. Last I have checked the bitchy effeminate variety of gay males has been like that for longer than I can remember. Maybe Sierra (Did her mom steal that name from a Spaniard?) lived in a cave and just now encountered one of these gay effeminate bitchy males.

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