Oklah. City Satanists raise $28k on Indiegogo for monument next to 10 Commandments

Some Satanists, upset about a 10 Commandments monument that got constructed on the state capitol grounds in Oklahoma City, have decided to get even by erecting a monument to the devil.

While the Supreme Court decision governing all of this, back in 2005, is awfully complicated, the 10 Commandments that are currently on the Oklahoma City grounds were donated with private money. So will the Satan monument, which organizers used Indiegogo to raise more than the $20,000 they sought.

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This is the actual monument, in construction:

The Satan monument, still under construction. Courtesy of the Satanic Temple.

The Satan monument, still under construction. Courtesy of the Satanic Temple.

I’m not a big fan of Satan, or Satan-worshippers, and these guys appear to be the real thing, and not just a libertarian joke, but they’re making a clear point about what happens when you start permitting religious sculptures in a public place.  Then other religious sculpture must go up as well.

Conservatives can talk all they want about how Ameriuca is a Christian country, but officially we’re not. We don’t put Christian crosses on our passports, like the Greeks do.  Because our government is not a Christian government.  They can claim otherwise until they’re blue in the face, but America has no official religion.

And while I’m not a fan of, say, banning Christmas pageants in school, I do think that you need to incorporate other faiths, for example, in those pageants, including Judaism and Islam.  And the same goes for the public square. You can’t just have Christian symbols without placing symbols of other faiths.

And for all the talk about how the 10 Commandments isn’t really a Christian symbol, it’s actually “American history,” that’s just blasphemy.  I mean, seriously, the far right is going to go all Judas on us now and pretend that the Ten Commandments aren’t religious, and that they don’t want these monuments in the public square expressly because they want to promote and revere their god?

Next thing you know, they’re going to tell us that the 12 disciples were simply tagging along with Jesus for the free booze.

As for what happens next, the state of Oklahoma will refuse to permit the monument, the Satanists will sue, and depending on the make-up of the Supreme Court, the Satanist may just win, unless the Supreme Court tries to claim that the commandments are historical whereas the Satan monument is clearly a joke, or something.

Here’s Colbert’s take:


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  • kieraeastedi321

    til I saw the paycheck saying $5367 , I be certain
    …that…my brother woz like they say actualey receiving money in there spare
    time at there labtop. . there dads buddy haz done this for only fourteen months
    and at present paid the mortgage on their condo and purchased a great Saab 99
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  • HelenRainier

    Interesting point: The 3-drug cocktail that was used in Oklahoma is not allowed in veterinary care to euthanize animals. http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/execution-drugs-such-cocktail-used-clayton-lockett-banned-animals

  • Reasor

    This is the same Satanic denomination that made headlines when they performed a ritual to turn the ghost of Westboro Baptist cult leader Fred Phelps’ mother into a lesbian, via necromancy. They’ve attempted to raise funds to adopt stretches of highway in the past as well. Whether they’re sincere in their reverence for the Prince of Darkness or not, they’ve been making some hilarious protest art out of hounding the Christian fundamentalists lately.

  • 1jetpackangel

    All of them… Hmm. Isn’t Jedi an official religion now? Now THERE’S a publicly funded statue I can’t wait to see.

  • Just_AC

    oops, statue

  • Just_AC

    Hey, how about the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Where’s hs stue

  • Lantor

    I thought that was from Lillith. But, Satan, the original freedom fighter.

  • Groucho Marxist

    and now thats it legal to use your fake religion to spew lies at public meetings, i want every atheist, wiccan, jew, muslim, buddhist, and others to use that forum to let the fake xtians that we are america, not the southern fried fake jesus lickers.

  • BillFromDover

    I never realized how sexy this dude was… what a bod!

  • Blueflash

    Put together their opposition to same-sex marriage, their ridiculous claim that marriage in this country is a religious institution and the fact that there are some Christian churches that perform same-sex weddings and, voila, you’ve got a demand by Christian right-wingers that the courts start engaging in theology. The founders of our country would be delighted by that prospect, no doubt.

  • Blueflash

    Leaving aside the entirely legitimate grievance regarding legal favoritism of Christianity, there’s a silver lining, it seems to me, in any proliferation of Ten Commandment monuments: most Christian Americans in this ostensibly oh-so-Christian country would probably struggle to name two or three of the commandments and by now they will probably surprised that there’s no commandment against homosexuality or abortion. That recognition certainly won’t please our Christian Taliban types, whose only real concern is the persecution of gay people and the denial of women all control over reproduction.

  • BillFromDover
  • mary

    love the take on paul ryan and ayn rand. made me chuckle a lot

  • Baal

    You are not a big fan of Satan? I guess it’s a matter of taste, sort of like whether or not you cheer for the Dallas Cowboys, except, of course, that the Dallas Cowboys are actually a real thing. I for one am not a big fan of either Odin or Miley Cyrus.

  • jomicur

    Track record? People have practiced astrology for at least five thousand years (and probably a lot longer). That makes Christianity, even orthodox Christianity, a johnny-come-lately. So, can we start posting horoscopes in courtrooms?

  • jomicur

    Alabama’s Chief Justice, Roy Moore (the Ten Commandments guy) agrees with Perkins. He has gone on record as saying that first amendment only applies to Christians. http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/judge-first-amendment-only-christians

  • Thom Allen

    Good to know that Thomas can do something with his mouth. He surely doesn’t use it to ask questions when he’s on the bench. It might interrupt his nap time or sexual fantasies.

  • Thom Allen

    I think that perkins would reprise Perkins’ role in “Psycho” with gusto if Dan Savage were in the shower.

  • Thom Allen

    Pity it didn’t work. She’s still possessed by greed, stupidity, hate, malice and so many other un-christian traits.

  • goulo

    Cthulhu, not Cthulu.

    Show some respect for the Great Old One! :)

  • goulo

    True – but then why is it always Christians, not Jews (as far as I have seen), trying to put 10 Commandments in public & government spaces?

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    SCOTUS has already blown a hole in the Establishment Clause with the Town of Greece case — it’s OK to open your town council meetings with Christian prayers because it’s only ceremonial (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

  • The_Fixer

    I did some reading about LaVeyan Satanism a while back. I found it to be quite a bit different than what I imagined.

    They use the symbol of the devil in rituals and such, but primarily believe in materialism, individualism, the occult and a moral code that is centered around “you give what you get”. The modern version of Satanism was crafted by Anton LaVey in 1966.

    What I find very interesting and kind of funny is that ‘ol Anton was a fan of Ayn Rand. Which should give self-proclaimed Christians like Paul Ryan some pause. They have a morality similar to that of Satanists.

    In the end, it is another one of the made-up religions (which is all of them, IMHO). In that regard, it is very similar to Christianity – just a whole lot more recent in its construction.

    The best thing about this monument business is that it points out exactly why we have separation of church and state – if government throws its weight behind one religion, it will have to throw your weight behind all of them. It’s a fool’s errand, to be sure, and a never-ending one.

  • Pat

    They don’t freak out in the least that Mrs. Palin had an African Kenyan witch doctor perform an exorcism on her at her “church” to cast out evil demons. So go figure!

  • Sean

    I recently worked on a TV program about the Salem Witch Trials. THAT government was officially Christian. Church officials served as judges, and most of them thought that if you “didn’t believe” in witchcraft, you didn’t believe in angels, and so you didn’t believe in God. Therefore any one who spoke up for the accused was in danger of being arrested themselves. As I understand it, our founding fathers had the madness that resulted very much in mind when they created the wall between church and state.

  • crazymonkeylady

    Christians need to know they do NOT own the public. They must allow for other beliefs or just shut up.

  • pappyvet

    Not much for any of it but if it’s feed for the goose it’s feed for the….goat.

  • BillFromDover

    Let me guess… 5 to 4 with Thomas licking Scalia’s boots on the way to a Synagog service?

  • BillFromDover

    Not to mention snakes without feet?

  • Monophylos Fortikos

    Satanism’s kind of a joke as far as I’m concerned, really more of a spoof than anything serious (thoguh possibly there are those in the Norwegian black metal community who would dispute me on this) but hey, why shouldn’t they have a monument?

  • Monophylos Fortikos

    It has to have a track record, it has to come forth from religious orthodoxy.

    Hey, if Perkins wants to go down that road, I’m sure that we can find plenty of Christians out there who will enthusiastically dispute the “track record” of Perkins’s “orthodoxy”. There are so many tracks from which to choose, after all.

    By the way, I’ve said this before, but it genuinely bugs me that Perkins shares his name with the name of one of America’s best actors.

  • AutAut

    At the National Prayer Breakfast.

  • Zorba

    Well, remember, this is the state that recently botched an execution (read: tortured to death) a condemned prisoner, using untested drugs that had been the cause of two previous executions that went badly.
    They do not appear to have a moral backbone.

  • cole3244

    what goes around comes around and around.

  • perljammer

    The 10 Commandments are not exclusively (or even originally) Christian; they appear in the Torah as well, as does a lot of the rest of what Christianity refers to as “The Old Testament”.

  • Silver_Witch

    I like it when the gander gets goosed!

  • vickif

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander as my mom use to say.

  • http://www.zazzle.com/mineomine Kyle Shepherd

    I want to see a wiccan/pagan ceremony performed in Congress. The conservatives would FREAK!

  • benb

    60% of public schools in Oklahoma STILL don’t have storm shelters. The state government argues to high hell to put a 10 commandment idol on state property, tries to scribble a pointless anti-Sharia law into their constitution, and rushes to inject whatever fluid they can get their hands on into a convict to try to kill him.

    If Oklahomans had any moral backbone, they would fire the governor and everyone in the state legislature.

  • patb2009

    well maybe someone should raise some money for a statue of Cthulu

  • Elijah Shalis

    Well if you allow one religion, you have to allow them all. Have these people not been paying attention to court decisions? I am against Satanism as well. There should be zero religious expressionism on state capitol grounds.

  • http://heimaey.us/ heimaey

    They’re both fake so why not?

  • http://blogvader.tumblr.com/ Blogvader

    Personally, I think Satan deserves a monument.

    After all, isn’t it because of Satan that we have moral knowledge in the first place?

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Sadly, aye…

  • Indigo

    He might get the SCOTUS to agree with him.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Meanwhile, Tony Perkins of the SPLC-identified hate group ‘Family Research Council’ has been quoted as saying that religious freedom is only for conservative Christians. Specifically, pro-gay Christians don’t have a constitutional right to their religious position, but anti-gay Christians apparently do.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tony-perkins-arbiter-christianity-says-pro-gay-christians-dont-have-same-religious-rights-co

    This was in response to a question about a lawsuit in North Carolina which recently outlawed ministers and other clergy from performing any ceremony to solemnize a same-sex relationship. (A law which, by the way, has been described by nearly every competent legal expert as blatantly unconstitutional.)

    Perkins: “I would use that term ‘Christian’ loosely. That title is — let’s talk biblical, here’s the deal, it’s like with the Religious Freedom Restoration Act that we worked on in Mississippi and failed in Arizona and other places, here’s a test of what is a true religious freedom, a freedom that’s based on orthodox religious viewpoints. It has to have a track record, it has to come forth from religious orthodoxy.
    (…)
    They’re playing games here, trying to turn the effort that so many Americans are now faced with of preserving religious freedom, they’re now trying to do a jujitsu move and say, ‘We’re going to use religious freedom to say we have a right to do same-sex marriage.’ Well, there is no foundation for that, there is no orthodox Christian holding that has ever said marriage is between people of the same sex.”

    So nice of Perkins to clear that up. Religious freedom is only for orthodox Christians. I guess everybody else can just suck it.

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