“Why does #GayGestapo never complain about the hateful repression of women by Muslims?”

“Why does the #GayGestapo never complain about the violent hateful repression of women by Muslims?”

That’s the latest faux-concern coming from Republicans who, rather than actually being concerned about women, gays, blacks, Latinos and other minorities worldwide, prefer to only occasionally express a concern, and only then in the context of bashing Democrats.

And, big surprise, they get the story wrong.

The issue is coming up again because conservatives are verklempt that civil rights won out in the dispute over Mozilla’s (now former) CEO Brendan Eich, who had donated $1000 to the Proposition 8 campaign to repeal the right to marry for, and 18,000 legal marriages of, gay couples in California in 2008. Gay Californians only won that right back less than a year ago. Eich stepped down the other day after a number of Mozilla employees spoke out, and then half the board of directors quit over his appointment.

The GOP concern-trolling goes something like this – in fact, it goes exactly like this. Here’s an image being sent around Facebook today by GOPers:

muslim-women

Crickets? Check out these crickets. I did a quick search of AMERICAblog, seeing as we’re apparently a leader of the #GayGestapo because I went on Fox News yesterday and told the truth. Here’s just a handful of our reporting on the treatment of women in Muslim countries – I only grabbed the first links I found, there are a lot more:

90-something Saudi reportedly marries terrified 15 year old girl
11 y.o. Yemeni girl flees home to avoid marriage: “I’d rather kill myself”
Women under threat in Middle East
Female US sailor beats the cr*p out of Dubai bus driver who tries to rape her
“Improperly veiled” woman assaults Iranian cleric
Women’s Rights In Iraq: Going, Going…
Saudi comedian/activist’s brilliant video challenges ban on women driving
Saudi women again denied the vote
Shot in head by Taliban, amazing 16 y.o. education advocate leaves Jon Stewart speechless
Saudi sheikh: When women drive it “rolls up the pelvis,” causes birth defects
Honor killing in Syria: so far, and yet so close
Saudis defending whipping raped woman for “crime” of being in a car with an unrelated male relative
Saudi women video selves driving cars in nationwide protest against sexist “men only” law

You’d think they’d Google before writing this stuff?  Then again, their folks don’t fact check because their audience doesn’t need facts to act.  And in fact, the facts are usually contrary to what they’re alleging anyway, so the best way for Republicans to motivate Republicans is to lie.

Interestingly, this is the first I’ve heard of Republicans bringing up the treatment of women – usually, they complain about the treatment of gays in the Middle East, and how supposedly the left never mentions the issue (because, you know, Fox News, Breitbart and the RNC are always issuing those damning statements about the deplorable human rights condition for gays in that region).  But I guess criticizing the treatment of gays in the Middle East, while defending Brendan Eich’s attack on gays in America, was even too hypocritical for this audience.  So, if it’s Monday, they now suddenly care about women.

Of course, the problem for conservatives is that we card-carrying members of the #GayGestapo do in fact go after these countries all the time on these issues.  For example, on human rights abuses against gays in Muslim countries (or countries with sizable Muslim populations), we’ve written about Nigeria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt and a lot lot more.

Wouldn’t it be neat if Republicans, rather than treating the violent repression of women as some kind of political pawn, actually simply cared about the issue?  Because if the GOP wants to compare who is better on women’s issues – Republican or Democrats – that’s a battle we’re happy to have.


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  • 4th Turning

    I have never figured out how it happens, but that trust thing is way up there.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    It’s ok, though emailing me links is sometimes better, I don’t necessarily see every comment.

  • AnthonyLook

    The War on Women Republicans say WHAT?

  • 4th Turning
  • 4th Turning

    One more and I’ll shut up-for awhile. (Am new this yr. to ab as you know,
    forever grateful to Denis after catching a glimpse of that heart-rending
    portrait from somewhere, googling and ending up on your stirring post.
    Damn, I hope he’s ok)

    Caught this a couple of days ago-very enlightening. Not a branch of the
    family I know much about-so all good. A best straight friend in prison
    developed a crush on “Melissa”-mislocated, of course, but allowed a
    daily call-out to take replacement. She was convicted of dealing in
    order to raise enough to cover medical. Her story is another heart-
    render, but has given me some insight into what Chelsea has been
    and will be dealing with.

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  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Yeah I saw Lovett’s piece, was thinking of trying to do a larger piece with it. It’s a bit all over the place, but there are some interesting nuggets.

  • Silver_Witch

    Thank you Riccardo – I was not aware of this and now I will be using this often!

  • Silver_Witch

    Or that you were a commie traitor that didn’t want America to be safe from people of color….which ever floated a boat or gave a dog whistle for hatred.

  • Silver_Witch

    I agree Houndentenor – we need a “snopes” like site that tells who started the story and what their affiliation is (right, left, martian).

  • Badgerite

    Shouldn’t their criticism be directed at the religious right that are in Africa trying to pass laws that would imprison or kill gays. Imagine if instead they were actually advocating for something good, like the rights of women, instead of attacking gays.

  • 4th Turning

    Or this one?

    Granted extensive and exclusive access to Shevchenko and her inner circle in Paris and Venice, Jeffrey Tayler, The Atlantic’s longtime Russia correspondent, takes readers deep inside the movement and paints a powerful, revealing portrait of the women waging an urgent, angry battle to shape the future of feminism.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/12/topless-jihadis-inside-the-worlds-most-radical-feminist-movement/282503/

  • 4th Turning

    John, can you do anything with this link???

    There once was a remote village deep in the rainforest that had no contact with the outside world. And in this small village there were only three village elders who had the ability to speak. So they were in charge. And they’d have arguments. One would say, “I support a woman’s right to choose.” Another would say, “I oppose a woman’s right to choose.” And then the third would say, “A real debate here on a woman’s right to choose. When we come back, Justin Bieber arrested!”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/the-culture-of-shut-up/360239/?utm_source=digg

  • 4th Turning

    http://www.vday.org/~assets/images/miller.jpg

    I’ve always been a fighter and protector at my core, and I cannot tolerate injustice of any kind towards a woman. Fortunately, I had a father that fostered that kind of character in me, which I am quite grateful for. In high school I was always looking for a fight, typically for the sake of some girl’s honor. In my twenties I was the guy the female bar tenders called on when a girl was being harassed. I would gladly jump across the bar and deal with any man that had the indecency to disrespect a woman. My motives were pure, but the methodology was obviously lacking, and ultimately landed me in jail on numerous occasions.

    In January of 2006 I left a partnership in a private equity firm in Nashville, TN, gave away all of my belongings and by March 13th, 2006 I was standing in Rwanda, Africa. I had dreamed of living in Africa my whole life, and desperately needed something to believe in again. I wanted to teach business to abused women so they could provide for their families and free themselves from gender based violence and oppression. I wanted to help them find the freedom they deserved.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    That’s good to hear. I think we are on the same page with regard to the problems with such laws. Women who currently don’t leave the house without being covered head to toe will not leave their homes if they can’t dress that way. That will make things worse for those women, not better. I hate it, but I can’t decide for other people to give up their ancient superstitions. I’m not sure what the solution to this issue is. Perhaps reasonable people could sit down and come up with an acceptable compromise that addresses everyone’s concerns.

  • DGT

    Or stop waging literal war on Muslim women (and men) in other countries.

  • oikos

    They left out right wing christianist repression of women. Since right wingers are the same people who think women shouldn’t control their own bodies and should ‘submit’ to their husbands, this is nothing more than projection on their part.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Like I said in the comment below/earlier, it’s nothing but a classic red-herring diversion. With a generous gravy coating of undeserved guilt-tripping from people who, as you say, themselves didn’t give two shits about women in Afghanistan — or here at home, for that matter.

  • Hue-Man

    The Quebec provincial election today tossed out the Parti Quebecois, the separatist party which had proposed this legislation. In fact, the Premier (=Governor) Pauline Marois lost her own constituency election. The Liberal Party which has been the party of Anglophones and minorities and strongly opposed the legislation, now has a strong majority in the provincial legislature.

    I forgot to mention in my original comment that I have a strong faith that there is no magical creator of the universe; my opposition to the proposed law was based on it not respecting an individual’s rights to personal liberty and causing divisions within society.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I think there are conservatives that actually do care about women’s rights in other countries. (Laura Bush made a few statements late in her husband’s second term.) But the kind of person who would post this false equivalency nonsense? Obviously not.

    While we’re sort of on this topic…I occasionally get forwarded emails full of lies outright lies. I know others get them too. I wonder if anyone in the media has ever bothered trying to figure out where they come from. I suspect they come from a think-tank or PR firm somewhere. I think it would be an interesting story to know who is starting these things (and who is paying them to do it). Someone more tech savvy than I should be able to track down the email chain. These things come with enough extra code after all. Just curious if that’s ever occurred to anyone to do. I would love to know who is writing this nonsense that distant relatives keep sending me. (Snopes .com is almost nothing but rebuttals to these things.)

  • cole3244

    the right has to move the target because their talking points change every time people begin to see the hypocrisy of their agenda.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    We could use the traffic :)

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Bingo. They don’t seem to care much about women in America – who thinks they care about women who are foreigners and Muslim to boot?

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    And do you think these people give a damn about women’s rights, let alone Muslim women?

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    Face covering does present a problem, though. Head coverings are none of my concern. I had a friend who was Muslim. She wore scarves to cover her hair. She had scarves in a wide array of colors and patterns. (So many that it seems hard to remember seeing the same one twice.) She wore longish skirts, but it was all put together in a stylish African-inspired look. I can’t imagine insisting that she take off her scarf. Or someone take off a kippa or a turban. Those things harm no one. Being unable to tell who someone is does pose a security problem in many places of work, however. That would be an issue to address. The rest just seems like ways to eliminate competition from minority groups in the workplace. I realize that we are not perfect in these matters in the US but we do try to allow people from minority groups opportunities they have worked for. I’m sad to say that many European countries are not quite so open minded when it comes to ethnic minorities getting the most desirable opportunities for education and employment.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I see women covered here on campus. Thankfully they wear pastel colors and not black. (Imagine being covered head to toe in black cloth in 100 degree heat.) I can’t say I like that women are required by their culture (note: not all Muslims require this so I’m not sure it’s fair to say their religion demands it) to dress this way, but I do think that it’s good that they are getting a college education. That does seem like progress compared to countries in which women aren’t allowed any education at all much less college.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    This comes up often when people criticize Christians. “You wouldn’t dare say that about Muslims” even though the same person is often critical of Muslim beliefs and practices as well. Fact matter little with that crowd. If only they did care about women’s rights in the Muslim world as something more than a propaganda tool.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I well remember the silence from my conservative relatives and acquaintances when I was desperately trying to get them to email our government about the genocide in Darfur. “Why should I care about people way over there. I take care of my own.” I was hoping that messages and calls from people who were Republicans might carry more weight with our administration. I got no help in that regard. So the idea that they give a fuck about Muslim women is laughable.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I have commented a good many times about human rights abuses around the world. The way women are treated in most of the world is abhorrent. I do not personally know one person who doesn’t feel the same way I do about that and many of my friends are far more liberal than I.

    But this isn’t about women’s rights in Muslim countries. It’s merely a sad attempt at misdirection. “Why do you complain about X when there’s also Y?” What has the person who wrote that (or who forwarded it in an email) done about rights for gays or women anywhere? Civil rights abuses abroad are no excuse for civil rights abuses here. Yes, of course one can find far more horrible things occurring daily in many countries (including arab countries we consider “allies”) than happen in the US. Is that our standard now? What a revolting excuse for a moral argument.

  • 4th Turning

    “their folks don’t fact check because their audience doesn’t need facts to act. And in fact, the facts are usually contrary to what they’re alleging anyway, so the best way for Republicans to motivate Republicans is to lie.”

    Bears repeating if okay.

    To confirm from another angle of concern to all of us:

    Fox News: Misleading Most of the Time

    Fox News covered climate science 50 times in 2013. Of these segments, 28 percent were entirely accurate, while 72 percent included misleading portrayals of the science.

    More than half of Fox’s misleading coverage (53%) was from one program, The Five, where the hosts often instigated misleading debates about established climate science. In general, Fox hosts and guests were more likely than those of other networks to disparage the study of climate science and criticize scientists.

    Fox News did show an improvement from a UCS snapshot analysis of Fox News coverage in 2012, in which the network’s coverage was entirely accurate in only 7 percent of segments, while 93 percent contained misleading statements. To further improve accuracy, the most productive step Fox News could take would be for hosts and guests to better differentiate between scientific facts about climate change and political opinions about climate policy.

    http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/fight-misinformation/cable-news-coverage-climate-change-science.html

  • Elijah Shalis

    I will take their concerns for Muslim women seriously when they stop waging their war on women here in America.

  • PeteWa

    this is really a GOP / conservative two-fer:
    1. they get to hate on the gays
    2. they get to hate on the muslims

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    They’re saving that one for the moment Hillary Clinton says she’s running again. So they have someone specific to waft their stench at.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    Just in case anyone was wondering, Google founder Sergey Brin donated $100,000 to oppose Prop 8, and the company did publicly oppose it at the time.

  • Monophylos Fortikos

    Eh, just another variation on the rationale I saw trotted out by bloodthirsty enthusiasts for the occupation of Iraq in Bush Jr.’s term, that opposing the invasion meant that you were racist and didn’t want the Iraqi people to have freedom.

  • chirisdex

    “GayGestapo” – they always prove Godwin’s Law! i know they don’t
    check facts, but even Andrew Sullivan has conceded it wasn’t the gay
    left but rather the ‘straight liberal left’ that was Eich’s undoing. but
    WTF – they don’t need no facts or reality! They have their own faerie
    that they use to back them up….

    Spybubble Free

  • StraightGrandmother

    Does this mean they have given up on Bengazi? I’m confused.

  • jm2

    “GayGestapo” – they always prove Godwin’s Law! i know they don’t check facts, but even Andrew Sullivan has conceded it wasn’t the gay left but rather the ‘straight liberal left’ that was Eich’s undoing. but WTF – they don’t need no facts or reality! They have their own faerie that they use to back them up.

    WWJD? he most definitely would NOT be a Christian…

  • ckg1

    Considering that he once mistook falafel for a loofah(which led me to gloss BillO The Falafel Master), I don’t think John’s quaking in his boots.

  • Cletus

    Better turn on O’Reilly, John. Think he’s about to misuse your appearance.

  • Hue-Man

    Despite no instances of a province-wide problem, the government of Quebec proposed legislation last year that would ban provincial government employees, including schools and hospitals, from wearing overt religious symbols or clothing at work. Everyone outside the Parti Quebecois considers it to be anti-Muslim racism and more generally, anti-immigrant or anti-minority. Here’s a Toronto Globe & Mail article on the issues. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/quebecs-secular-charter-is-clearly-unconstitutional-it-could-still-become-law/article14241046/

    I find it ridiculous to fire a Sikh janitor waxing the floors of a school at 3:00 AM because he wears a turban. Similarly, a Jewish doctor who wears a kippa would have to be fired if he showed up for work at the hospital. I see the ban of Muslim women wearing any kind of veil differently from you – the alternative is that they have to stay at home, unemployed and without connections to Canadian society. I appreciate there is an element of male domination, particularly when you look at the Taliban, but I believe that many women in the West are choosing the style of clothing they wear, whether they are Muslim or otherwise.

    The French ban on face coverings has been in place for a century but I question whether it’s working to bring Muslims into French society. French people from North Africa that I met over the years talked about French institutionalized racism – for example, “walking or driving while brown”.

    More generally, my reaction to this criticism of the “Gaystapo” is the same as every other TeaParty/GOP criticism – what are you proposing we do and what are you doing about it? Where the TP/GOP is in power in state legislatures, the evidence would suggest that they’re more like the Taliban than any sane Western government (and resembling Putin’s regime in Russia).

  • Thom Watson

    You really can’t expect them to use Google. After all, Google supports LGBT equality and diversity.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    And apparently the LGBT community has to advocate, spend millions on, and fight for the rights of every other oppressed minority and constituency in the world before we’re allowed to ask for a single civil right for ourselves.

    Lovely, too, how these gay-hating bigots went all Overton with their ad-hominem gays-as-equivalent to Nazis attack.

    And they have the sheer gall to call us cowards.

  • penpal

    Uh, let’s compare the annual budgets of the top 10 gay organizations in this country against the top 10 Christian organizations in this country, and then we’ll talk about who should really be shouldering the burden of this effort.

  • judybrowni

    Actually, the Republicans only become concerned about the rights of Muslim women, if it’s in a country which has oil Halliburton wants.

    As for Afghanistan, I believe there was a pipeline of some sort the corporate world wanted.

  • judybrowni

    Republican Concern Trolls, in short:

    “Don’t look at that thing over there, look at this thing I deem more important.

    Because I’m the boss of you, that’s why.

    And no, you’re not allowed to be concerned about more than one issue at a time. So being concerned in the past about the issue I deem more important now doesn’t count.

    Because I said so, that’s why.”

  • Ninja0980

    Here’s the thing… Todd AKin and Richard Mourdock from 2012 weren’t fringe candidates. All they did was say out loud what was in the Republican party platform in regards to women and abortion.
    And that was if a woman gets raped, tough luck, she’s going to have that baby whether she wants to or now.
    The far right will only use the horrors in the Middle East when they want to call us out while secretly wishing they could do the same thing here.

  • MichaelS

    Bravo, John. Just bravo.

  • ericxdc

    straws. they’re grasping at straws.

  • FLL

    The political strategy of the GOP during 2011 and 2012 was sometimes described as a war on women. Is there anyone out there who is adept at using the term “rebrand”? But how can the GOP rebrand if they haven’t really done anything substantive to help American women? Their Facebook ad with the abused Muslim woman looks like hollow posturing. The GOP barely tolerates married women (married to a man of their own race, of course), but the Republican leadership absolutely loathes single women, at least if you use their public policies as a guide. And sexism aside, the Republican leadership hates Muslims above all else in the universe.

    Given the chance to embarrass themselves, the national Republican party always goes for it, so we wind up with a Facebook ad showing an abused Muslim woman, and this is supposed to convince people to be more homophobic. These GOP politicians probably put a special emphasis on hating gay and bisexual men because someone dug up some homophobic invective from the 19th-century that defines gay and bisexual men as an affront to women in general. This stuff is just so predictable.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Classic red-herring diversionary tactic.

  • Riccardo Cabeza

    My favorite ‘why didn’t they google first’ was “Do you remember when Colonists stood in line to register their muskets? ME NEITHER!” Well….Colonists did register their weapons as was required by Founding Father, author of the second amendment and 4th US president James Madison.

    http://perceptionmanagers.org/2014/02/remember-when-colonists-stood-in-line.html

  • Ninja0980

    We can and have called out the horrible treatment of women and gays in the Middle East.
    The bigots here seem to think since they aren’t killing us it’s okay to demonize us, treat us as second class citizens and it’s okay.
    No it isn’t. We call out the bigots abroad just like the ones we have in the U.S., many of whom are on the record saying they would like to jail or kill us.
    Don’t expect them to address any of those points though.

  • emjayay

    It’s not what they said, but I think they are talking about the general acceptance of people from other cultures by liberals. You know, multiculturalism. Well, I’m one, and like Bob Dylan once said, well I’m liberal, to a degree. The degree for me is that I do understand that in a more open sort of democratic society, the attitudes of every person add to the mix both socially and politically. If people come here with radically anti-woman

  • Silver_Witch

    Oh and like when did the GOP ever EVER ever do anything to help these women…and what exactly do they think they were doing to help these women when the declared war on Iraq and Afghanistan? Did they set up school, promote education about female mutilation? No I suspect they all sit in their little rooms and dream about the day the women in the US are finally put back in our place

    Crickets – I wish we heard only crickets from the GOP – then perhaps there could be some constructive dialog about women’s rights, women’s safety and women finally really really being free.

  • Max_1

    John
    Yes, you would think the GOP can Google…
    … But that requires the GOP to be thinking.

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