On Fox’s MediaBuzz, John Aravosis calls out Fox’s promotion of discredited Obamacare “Horror Stories”

I was invited on Howie Kurtz’s Media Buzz show on Fox this morning, to talk about the Mozilla gay-rights controversy, and about Obamacare reaching its 7 millionth subscriber.


The guests were – how shall I put it? – less than receptive to a positive message about the Affordable Care Act.  And when one guest started talking about all the “horror stories” of people “hurt” by health care reform, I felt it important to correct the record. So I did.

I also got into the issue, which this clip doesn’t show, of how even the Associated Press only three weeks ago said that the President would need a “miracle” to reach the 7 million subscriber mark by April 1, 2014.  And he did.  The media was hardly overly friendly to the President on this issue.  Heck, even we criticized the web site snafus.

I posted the video of the Mozilla part of the discussion here – it was far longer, and far more heated – but here, courtesy of Media Matters, is a quick snippet of the Obamacare discussion.

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Follow me on Twitter: @aravosis | @americablog | @americabloggay | Facebook | Instagram | Google+ | LinkedIn. John Aravosis is the Executive Editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown; and has worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, the United Nations Development Programme, and as a stringer for the Economist. He is a frequent TV pundit, having appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, Hardball, World News Tonight, Nightline, AM Joy & Reliable Sources, among others. John lives in Washington, DC. .

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107 Responses to “On Fox’s MediaBuzz, John Aravosis calls out Fox’s promotion of discredited Obamacare “Horror Stories””

  1. Time for truth says:

    It’s quite simple…TruthTeller is lying. You can say anything you want on a blog. He’s just a talking conservative turd. Flush him and move on.

  2. chris10858 says:

    Glad to finally see someone call them out for their lies and distortions. Too many progressive commentators are too squishy in their responses.

  3. AnthonyLook says:

    John Aravosis, your awesomeness is inspiring and appreciated.

  4. Chrissy says:

    Confused– Obamacare hasn’t gone into effect– how are your premiums going up since the specific laws haven’t totally gone into effect?

  5. TruthTeller says:

    And for the rest of you zombies, I have a great idea. How about if we ALL… all 350 million of us… simply quit our jobs and becomes bloggers, artists, and students, so that we can get subsidized healthcare? It won’t matter if we can’t write anything cogent, or carry a tune. We’ll be free to explore what makes us happy, without having to worry about the distractions of caring for ourselves. We’ll all live a blissful lifestyle, and everything will be free, because “the government will pay for it”.

  6. TruthTeller says:

    Discredit this, ****head. My family’s premiums went up by over $400 per month. (We are far from wealthy, but don’t qualify for a subsidy, which means we are subsidizing someone else.) My wife takes a medication for urgency – the only one that works for her – and the OCare plan simply refuses to cover it. (Call it a war on woman.) Our other prescription co-pays have more than doubled. We’ve had to come up with $6K to cover deductibles. And this was the BEST plan available for us. The others would have cost us much, much more over the course of the year. We’re getting much worse coverage, and will shell out well in excess of $10K more this year than last. **** your success stories, and Harry Reid’s claim that all the horror stories are made up.

    The truth is, there are thousands of stories, just like mine. They haven’t been discredited. Harry Reid said that they were all “made up out of whole cloth”. When the inevitable backlash came from people facing real hardship because of those “made up” stories, he simply denied saying it… even though he’s clearly on video saying it. If Harry Reid’s schizophrenic ranting is all it takes to “discredit” someone, then I guess you have a point. Or perhaps it’s YOU who can simply say, “I discredit you” and have it become truth?

  7. Drew2u says:

    I was going to mention that, but I don’t remember the details of it. Thanks for picking that up! My late grandmother fell into that category, sadly. She passed before being able to be helped by it.

  8. It should be back now, It got eaten when I edited the post.

  9. Elijah Shalis says:

    No you need to look up fascism in a history book because people like you keep firing gay employees for their sexual orientation. Maybe now that the shoe is on the other foot you will realize how wrong it is.

  10. Elijah Shalis says:

    Where is the video of the you were going to post today?

  11. gowian says:

    Good job, John. You got your substantive points in fast and forcefully (maybe if you were on another network you could have let your points breathe but you were on Fox, so you handled it right).

  12. BeccaM says:

    I have a feeling that a bourbon soaked Happy Hour begins most days before lunchtime for Cobysdad…

  13. jacquirafiq says:

    Its official— do or say one thing wrong, and thats it. No job for you!!!!
    This is getting out of control.
    Can you say Van Johnson, The Mozilla CEO, the guy Pres. O wanted who defended
    Muia Abul Jamall. Along with this crazy weather, welcome to the new normal.

  14. BeccaM says:

    There were no prominent Democratic leaders — including the presidential candidates and the eventual nominee — who were in favor of Prop 8.

    While it’s true they waffled and were rather feckless — Obama’s “God is in the mix” remark comes to mind — none of them endorsed Prop 8 nor said that it was a good idea.

    And as you’ve pointed out several times now: We have a President who is now 100% behind marriage equality, and his administration has been taking pro-active steps to make it so. Brendan Eich? He still won’t say he’s changed his mind on gay marriage or anything else.

    In a way, he reminds me of Chief Justice John Roberts’ testimony before Congress, when he said the right words about upholding precedent, respecting prior decisions and so on. Yet just like Eich, Roberts never said he actually agreed with those decisions, that they’d been decided well. And once in office, Roberts and his colleagues set about dismantling a century of progressive law precedent.

    Just listening to Eich’s various interviews, I kept hearing a guy who never questions his own decisions, never second-guesses, and while he knows how to follow rules and will assure us all he’ll follow those rules as CEO, he never provided a convincing reassurance that in time he wouldn’t change those rules. Or simply ignore them.

  15. BeccaM says:

    I feel sorry for Coby.

  16. Swami_Binkinanda says:

    The Dixie Chicks.

  17. BeccaM says:

    Sometimes I find myself realizing the reason they keep yawping about ‘Obamacare horror stories’ is because the real horror story is for the GOP, who will be on the wrong side of history on this issue.

    The only danger all along would’ve been if they’d come up with a plan of their own. A plan that dealt with pre-existing condition denials and retroactive recissions. One that addressed young adults being dumped off their parents’ policies as soon as they hit their 18th birthday. An acknowledgment that insurance-based job-lock was a drag on business and on the economy. And perhaps at least another acknowledgment that most families can’t afford to spend more health insurance and medical care than they do on everything else in the family budget.

    A few of the GOPers made reference to ‘repeal and replace’ — but they never had anything beyond a few bullet points which would’ve made things worse for most Americans. Proposals like HSAs for everyone — but who can put money into a healthcare savings account if you barely have enough money to pay the rent? Or selling insurance across state lines — because that notion worked out so wonderfully for credit card consumers; that race to the bottom is why most CC interest rates are now between 13-18% or higher. And of course the Paul “Zombie-Eyed Granny-Starver” Ryan special: Eliminating the business deduction for health insurance, which is supposed to do what exactly? Other than convince businesses to stop offering health insurance for the employees at all?

    And the funny thing is, none of the GOP faux-proposals included a ban on coverage denials for pre-existing conditions. Which means their eventual outcome is only the healthy and the wealthy would enjoy access to health care.

    But on the whole, the Tea Bagger GOP contingent had lined up behind Senator Ted Cruz, whose eliminationist solution is simple: Repeal every word of Obamacare. The whole law. According to them, 50 million uninsured Americans, millions more under-insured — with both numbers climbing — and 49,000 unnecessary deaths each year due to lack of access to health care (a number also climbing) is perfectly acceptable.

    Seriously though, if Obama and the Dems hadn’t been so foolish as to put the best parts of the ACA — especially the ban on pre-existing condition denials — out in 2014, I honestly think the 2010 election cycle would’ve gone a whole lot better for them.

  18. 2karmanot says:

    Now that you have taken a dump, move along. Next.

  19. 2karmanot says:

    OK by me!

  20. 2karmanot says:

    Sorry it didn’t load. Is it on U tube?

  21. Butch1 says:

    As soon as I saw her I knew she was going to be rude and be her typical self by interrupting others just to disrupt them. Other guests are generally too nice to her for some reason because she is always rude to them.

    Her job is to talk over the opposing view and make sure they cannot be heard and to make them look bad and in the worst light. You gave her a dose of her own medicine! ;-)

  22. Butch1 says:

    Exactly. When ever I feel the urge to watch FOX I notice they never cover Chris Christie and the Bridgegate debacle either. Anything bad about republicans doesn’t get covered or gets played down on this channel. It’s only Benghazi, IRS with Issa, Obamacare faux problems that have been debunked and these hyped up problems that they pin on gays. I didn’t realize we had so much power . . .;-

  23. The_Fixer says:

    As tata says below, this makes no sense, neither in context nor in execution.

    Really, all of this is nothing more than your expression of animosity toward John Aravosis (I think I spelled that right). It’s a personal attack and nothing more.

    Let’s start with your subject matter. This comment stream is discussing an article about John’s appearance on Howard Kurtz’s show. The appearance concerned the Affordable Care Act. Your screed immediately talked of homosexuality (not the topic here) and as near as I can tell, the Brandon Eich/Mozilla affair.

    So basically, you wanted to puke some hatred at John, and worse yet, you go Godwin’s Law on us and start talking about Hitler and the Jews. You attempt to historically reference something and get that wrong. To add insult to injury, you’re just plain wrong in your assertions.

    I suggest that you calm down, take a break, and come back and see us when you have a clearer perspective. If you can’t do that, do not expect to be taken seriously be the intelligent, erudite people that hang out here.

  24. Naja pallida says:

    Yeah, but when a liberal acts exactly like they do, they get all upset and then cry about him interrupting or being rude.

  25. bbock says:

    I think you’ve found the secret to appearing on Cable TV shows: Talk forcibly and fast so that your point doesn’t get cut off. MOST of the liberals Fox allows on their air don’t do that, so they get massacred on FOX. Not because their ideas are incorrect or lack merit, but because they were not able to blurt them out in 20 seconds. Kudos on being a wedge.

  26. Naja pallida says:

    How many have actually paid? Exactly the number who actually have health insurance. Insurance companies don’t give insurance on credit. The whole idea that there are people out there with insurance who aren’t going to pony up is ridiculous. Their policy would never be enacted without a payment.

  27. Naja pallida says:

    And no matter how you want to look at it, it still beats the Republican plan of wanting to let people die penniless.

  28. Naja pallida says:

    I don’t think it’s hate at all, I think it’s entirely fear. Fear that they might hear or see something that contradicts how they want the world to be. Like a caption under a picture of black man that says “President of the United States”.

  29. Well, if a conservative troll is urging me to stop going on tv, then I must be doing something right. Because if a conservative troll were terrible on TV, I’d urge him to do more :)

  30. And whose party thinks it’s okay to fire someone based on their genes? Yours.

  31. LOL Dan looks better in the ts than I :)

  32. LOL while I’m supposed to say, I think, that your comment is sexist, in fact I’m smiling :) So thank you :)

  33. Actually, I don’t believe Hillary was for Prop 8, and unlike most of you Republicans, she was good on pretty much every other gay issues than marriage, which gives her like a 95% pro-gay record vs the usual 5% to 0% for your presidential candidates. So, while I get that the latest GOP talking pts are to say that Eich is like HIllary on gay rights, our presidential candidates rock on gay rights, yours tend to be pretty pathetic. And until you realize how truly intolerant your candidates are of gays, women, blacks, Latinos and everyone else, you won’t start winning national elections again.

  34. Sadly, she has a history of talking over you whenever you bring up anything that hits home and hurts the republicans. It’s an effective, but very disingenuous strategy.

  35. Silver_Witch says:

    Greeting Comrade….agreed and agreed!

  36. ComradeRutherford says:

    Exactly! I vote for Liberals, therefore I didn’t vote for Obama and I will never vote for Clinton.

  37. ComradeRutherford says:

    Good work, John!

  38. 4th Turning says:

    They’ve kind of worn out their “thank you for your service” schtick which I’ve heard
    several service members say who saw actual combat-wasn’t very “helpful”.
    I feel very grateful for all who’ve shown up each day, every day in service of our fellow human beings-sometimes in battle zones of our own-usually with little or no recognition or acknowledgement but getting the difficult jobs somehow done.
    Urge some patience and tolerance, however. I am supposing the majority like myself
    have had first-rate attention for our every health concern since birth and probably
    have never been obliged to stop and consider what others not so fortunate have
    to endure. (Try to get the mind focused on starvation after pigging out at the Olive
    Garden or Red Lobster!)
    Until one actually sees three generations of a family crowd into an ER waiting room-the women all sobbing their hearts out and the men all staring at the floor, it is hard to
    comprehend the scope of this shameful situation on a personal level.
    tea party opposition has obliquely worked in favor of Obama’s enduring legacy by
    forcing people to stop in their tracks and finally put 2 + 2 together.

  39. therling says:

    Also, and something that seems to never be talked about, how the ACA has gradually improved Medicare Part D so that seniors and the disabled no longer have to fear the “donut hole.” That measure alone has saved a lot of people money and allowed them to continue to receive prescriptions necessary for their health.

  40. Silver_Witch says:

    Hiliary Clinton is not our 2016 nominee. She is a neo-con, just like the right. I suspect the perfect combination for Republicans would actually be a Clinton/Bush ticket with Jeb as VP and Hillary as Pres. You are off the mark about who truly liberal people would like to have a their Presidential candidate. For me it would be Bernie Sanders….a woman can dream.

  41. PaKid says:

    I have to laugh at your less than truthful claims. I got to keep my policy and my doctor but than I had real insurance not some make believe policy. I can’t find anyplace where it was claimed that my current premium would go down but if I switched to the ACA I could save a good $2,000 over what I now pay which I may do down the road As for insuring every America it’s call single payer and your friends in the GOP don’t want the America people to have health insurance . As for being lied to when was the last time you fact check the right-wing ? I have and the truth about the ACA is nowhere to be found when it comes to the right-wing!

  42. Drew2u says:

    Everytime Obamacare is mentioned, there should always be a sidenote that lists the number of Americans that: if are under 26, can stay on their parent’s plan, the number of women who can’t be charged more because they’re women (every woman in the country: 50.8% of the population), and the number of people who can’t be denied due to pre-existing conditions (every single American: 316 billion).
    If people are going to go into semantics about how many “sign up”, then we should hit back with how many people benefit (every single person in the country). The real horror stories come from the states with Republican governors, but FOX viewers conveniently ignore that.

  43. Houndentenor says:

    Bravo, Sir. Bravo!

  44. lynchie says:

    Being a bigot is hardly political. He was removed from his job but not fired by the Board of Directors. All people have the right to exercise their choice of services, food, etc. As far as party, what party? Your intolerance is noted in every post you make here.

  45. Butch1 says:

    I see we now have a new goal post to reach. Funny that. ;-) What will be the next one after that one has been accomplished?

  46. Butch1 says:

    See what I mean . . .presented with facts from individuals and you still go back to your basics. There is no use in arguing with you. I wonder how much your organization pays you for each comment you make on this site? ;-)

  47. Butch1 says:

    “Let us know when Obama’s ready to tell us how many people have actually paid; how many people didn’t have insurance before; and how many are under 35.. . . ”

    Why bother; you would dismiss the information or ignore it as only coming from the “liberals” anyway. That is usually your escape method in getting out of these kinds of debates when presented with the actual facts. You make fun of the left and liberals, but when they produce the facts you dismiss them. You cannot have it both ways.

  48. Butch1 says:

    Finally, a real liberal voice on FOX telling the truth and not one of their faux “liberal” spineless, cojoneless voices they produce that never stands up to their very aggressive right-wing talking point noise propagandists. I don’t think I have ever seen anyone debunk their people when they come on. I have seen this woman on other shows before and she’s very good at putting their disinformation out. The people they usually put on against people like her never have their facts on hand or are afraid to stand up to people like her. She will talk over you and interrupt you if you let her. Good job, John.

  49. tata says:

    It must really sting you personally – somehow – that the ACA is in effect. Otherwise, why would you spend so much time and energy typing all these pointless arguments at complete strangers? You’re not clever. Your rhetoric isn’t interesting. Ultimately, all you’ve done here is waste your Sunday.

  50. joshuabayerjazz says:

    Excellent point. if the right gave a darn, they would be pressuring the bigoted Governors of the states that want their citizens to die for race-based ideology.

  51. tata says:

    These words, in this order, make no sense. Also: what could be the purpose of misspelling the name of the blog host?

  52. joshuabayerjazz says:

    A very well – written high brow assessment of your views and your views only. Regrettably, they do not reflect the truth. Your spin assumes that social justice is defined by personal considerations and ‘context’. Your context is anti-left, so you are attempting to redefine intentions to match your spin. Failed. Your insistence that Aravosis ‘subordinates honest debate to the overriding importance of advancing “the Cause” of social justice’ is closeminded and selfish is exactly what you are doing. And pink stars? Study some history. Credibility lost. And let’s not even begin to compare anyone to the right wings party line adherence – it’s blinding, racist, and dangerous. You have made a nice attempt at faux-intelligence.

  53. Sara Clifton says:

    many of us are familiar with programs and such like “Health Wagon”. We’ve been supporting, and volunteering at them for years. Trying to help all the people unable to afford health insurance because there wasn’t much of a private, individual market or they had a pre-existing condition, or were unemployed and had lost their benefits, been dropped by insurance because they’d gotten sick or reached a cap… You people all of sudden getting all worried about folks losing plans are seriously late to the party. I’m sure there are folks falling for this sudden concern schtick, but I don’t there are as many as you’d hoped. Most of us know you don’t give a crap about the uninsured or under-insured in this country. You only care about being against President Obama. It’s painfully, transparently, obvious.

  54. Indigo says:

    Well, John, aren’t you having fun? Taunting Righties on their own propaganda channel has got to be high on the left-ish bucket list. Way to go! Personally, I’d like to get on one of those “Death Panels” they’re so frightened of. You see, I have a little list . . . :-)

  55. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    ” In the camps homosexuals had to wear pink stars, even if all they wanted was an end to breast cancer.”

    That makes no sense. I suppose it did to you. Now check your facts. Pink stars? While you’re at it, check your spelling.

  56. AnthonyLook says:

    It actually does matter when anyone with bigoted ideologies has a change of heart, it’s a good thing. You need to get a new dictionary. People decided to leave Mozilla by the hundreds of thousands, that is called good old American free speech. Actions have consequences; companies, politicians as well as individuals need to learn that their bigotry will not go unanswered by those that practice free speech as well. Ask Paula Dean.

  57. cobysdad says:

    What Arovisus is saying is that anyone who donates money to a political cause that MIGHT lead to social “unfairness” as he defines it should be disqualified from high corporate office even if the donation was made when the 50-year-old donor was a teenager. That his views are totalitarian and could as easily be marshaled against homosexuals(sic) as against DOMA advocates is beyond his capacities for honest debate. Like most people on the Left he subordinates honest debate to the overriding importance of advancing “the Cause” of social justice, ignoring the fact that definitions of social justice differ depending on context, sources and the supreme imperatives of human rights.

    To begin with, Hitler’s policy toward Jews (and homosexuals) disqualified them for various positions in business and government. In the camps homosexuals had to wear pink stars, even if all they wanted was an end to breast cancer. And the Jews, after all, GAVE MONEY to support their suspect beliefs. That Arovisus rejects such an analogy is typical of the Left’s insistence that logic, vocabulary and rhetoric must conform to the party line. Given his submersion in the infantile omnipotence syndrome I imagine he couldn’t care less that his brand of intolerance incites more hatred of homosexuals than it does appreciation of their perspectives. Truth, honor, integrity, courage, empathy, altruism and beauty are piddling concerns next to the cosmic necessity that his views, at any cost to anyone except himself, must prevail. If he were a tyrannical advocate of unfettered capitalism I would regard him with the same disdain, apart from the fact that the capitalist wouldn’t be a hypocrite!

  58. barada says:

    Live the myth.
    You ARE what you project.

  59. zerosumgame0005 says:

    Well we can see that telling time is not in your wheel-hose…

  60. barada says:

    Converting ACA to Single-Payer would solve those problems.

    You may be on the right track, after all.

  61. barada says:

    Do you have something to say, cipher?

    Stop being cryptic and come out and SAY it.

    Give examples and please, be empirical.
    Cut the name-calling and grow beyond the “terrible two’s”.

  62. barada says:

    That makes little, if any, sense.

    Please re-phrase for clarity.

  63. Nee says:

    Hue-Man was unable to answer your questions so he changed the subject and then brought up Bush. These are both common tactics that leftists use when they’ve lost the argument.

  64. Matthew says:

    You wrote: “I agree with you, that some of the assumptions the administration made when it wrote the bill turned out to be false …”
    You obviously haven’t read the recently disclosed emails passed back and forth between members of the Obama admin.
    They didn’t make “assumptions” that turned out to be wrong. They debated whether they should tell the truth, or lie to make sure the bill made it through congress.
    They decided to lie. This makes the rest of your email moot, which is handy for me since I really didn’t feel like reading the rest of it anyway.

  65. sford713 says:

    I think I heard about this guy from a comment section say that, “People who can handle themselves in a debate… don’t need to resort to such combative, childish and desperate tactics.”

  66. DRoseDARs says:

    *Fry squint*

    I don’t think that word means what you wish it meant…

  67. MichaelS says:

    I agree with you, that some of the assumptions the administration made when it wrote the bill turned out to be false, But almost universally, those false assumptions arose from the single-minded obsession on the right to destroy the health care program — even at the expense of our citizens who need it. They made the not-crazy assumption that if the federal government gave states billions and billions of dollars to cover their poorer citizens (instead of letting them become a burden on all taxpayers by using the emergency room as their medical clinic), states would gladly accept it. But unfortunately, we still have a good number of neanderthal states that would prefer their citizens remain one heart attack or stroke or car accident away from destitution, and perhaps death, as long as it drags down the President.
    The other mistaken (or sloppy) assumption they made was that people would actually prefer to pay less for a better plan than pay more for inferior coverage.
    You only reinforce the argument that the BIGGEST mistake this administration made was to try to gain the cooperation of Republicans. Instead they should have ignored the obstructionists and given all Americans the opportunity to sign up for a single-payer plan. Medicare for anyone who wants it! Who can argue with that?

  68. Hue-Man says:

    The 24 states controlled by the TeaParty/GOP that didn’t extend Medicaid are responsible for 5 million Americans not getting medical care (from the 60 Minutes quote) – aided and abetted by the TeaParty/GOP idealogues on the SCOTUS.
    “Invading Iraq will cost U.S. taxpayers nothing; the oil revenues will pay for it all.”

  69. sford713 says:

    You mean like when Bush waived penalties for low-income seniors and those with disabilities who signed up late for the Medicare prescription-drug benefit?

  70. Matthew says:

    They don’t need to comb through the data, they already know the answers to my questions about who has signed up.
    If the numbers made them look good – made the ACA look like anything but the disastrously expensive joke it already is – they’d release said data.
    You didn’t find it suspicious that they can’t answer anything specific about the enrollees until – as if by magic – the precise moment at which 7.1 million people have signed up? That’s the ONLY number they know?
    You’re that naïve?

  71. Matthew says:

    I’m thrilled for you, but I’m not sure how that changes all the lies that were told to sell the bill, all the promises that have been broken, all the millions who lost their coverage, all the tens of millions of Americans who STILL do not have insurance (wasn’t that the point?), and the higher costs that many people, myself included, have to handle every month.
    It’s not even the same bill anymore – how could it be? He’s changed it without congressional approval dozens of times.

  72. Matthew says:

    So . . . if I have this right . . . you’re blaming the lies Obama told about the ACA, and the fact that almost none of his promises about the ACA have come true . . . on the Tea Party?
    lol, waste someone else’s time, thanks.
    p.s. (love your apparently endless obsession with W:)

  73. sford713 says:

    Not that you really care, but I didn’t have insurance, signed up online in 30 minutes on day two of rollout and have paid every premium invoice I’ve received.

  74. 4th Turning says:

    I wouldn’t mind if Dan loaned him a tee shirt.

  75. 4th Turning says:

    I’m very surprised that you assume a virtual army of “woodward and bernstein”
    types aren’t combing through the data this very minute to answer all your questions and others you haven’t even imagined to upset yourself about.

  76. Matthew says:

    Cool history lesson, thanks!

  77. Hue-Man says:

    This is a must-read from the propaganda folks at Washington Post:

    “”The data show government health-care spending per capita in the United States and Canada. The United States spends more. And that’s not more per person who gets government health insurance, it’s more per resident. And yet Canada
    covers all its citizens, and we don’t. That should be considered shocking stuff, and yet I rarely hear it mentioned.”” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/25/the-charts-that-should-dominate-the-health-care-discussion/

    The 60 Minutes segment says 24 states refused to spend zero dollars over the next three years to provide Medicaid to people living in their state. I don’t know how many people that represents – certainly a good portion of the 30 million people you refer to; these 24 state governments are responsible for thousands of preventable deaths and horrific suffering over the next three years. (If you think horrific is over the top, check out the end-of-life symptoms of untreated diabetes; hint – blindness isn’t the worst.) Maybe that should be the new TeaParty/GOP medical plan – “We want more blindness, leg amputations, and death.”

    “We’ll be greeted as liberators”

  78. 4th Turning says:

    Did you take the time to go to the website and compare bc/bs with other
    plans to see if you might come back with the same or better coverage for

  79. Matthew says:

    Reading/comprehension isn’t quite your thing I see. He mentioned “outrage” over my opinion, not “anyone who questions” me.
    Yes, anyone who is outraged over an internet stranger’s opinion is light years from happy.
    You know the type – always protesting, trying to get people fired for having different opinions. I think I heard about this one guy from Mozilla . . .

  80. Matthew says:

    Karen, speaking of echo chambers of intolerance, whose party thinks it’s ok to fire someone based solely on their political opinions?
    Yours, by any chance?

  81. Matthew says:

    Thank you for admitting that until it became politically untenable your next presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, was a bigot until just last year (as was Obama until 2012).
    Did you vote for the intolerant bigot in 2008? If so, why?
    Who else should lose their job because of a political opinion? You really need to look up fascism in a history book.

  82. 4th Turning says:

    It all started with a priest, a businessman and a journalist. South Carolina Monsignor George Lewis Smith, Roger Huntington of the Greenville Hospital Benefit Association, and Columbia journalist George Buchanan shared a vision. They wanted to create a nonprofit, prepaid hospital plan for the Palmetto State.

    With the support of the community, the men began lobbying the General Assembly for legislation to begin the company. Their vision became a reality in 1946 when the General Assembly passed legislation to create the South Carolina Hospital Service Plan. That’s the original name for what is now BlueCross — BlueShield would come along later!

  83. Matthew says:

    So you’re OK with blowing up the entire system, the federal govt (the *least* competent people on Earth) being in charge of 1/6 of the entire US economy – all so we could insure maybe a few million more people?
    What happened to the promise that our premiums would go down, on average, by $2,500 ?
    What happened to being able to keep your doctor or your old health care plan?
    What happened to insuring THIRTY MILLION MORE people, which was the plan a few years ago?
    Why don’t you mind being lied to about all of this? Do you have any standards at all?

  84. 4th Turning says:

    Have I got this right? Anyone who questions your take on stuff is unhappy?

  85. Matthew says:

    As I made clear, no one knows if he made his goal until we know who paid, who signed up, and who didn’t have insurance before. That the administration refuses to tell anyone is about as revealing as it can be, given how dishonest the president has been about the entire, corrupt process.

  86. Matthew says:

    I’ve Blue Cross/Blue Shield, not from an employer – I just pay it myself. As to the outrage over my opinions, that only comes from unhappy people. Waste of time.

  87. Elijah Shalis says:

    Upset that Obama reached his goal?

  88. Elijah Shalis says:

    Yeah the far right is really upset about the Mozilla CEO situation. They are screaming Christian intolerance and anti Christian bigotry and talking about how we need a new revolution. They seem to have no problem with business firing gay people but complain when consumers stop buying/using a bigoted companies products.

  89. 4th Turning says:

    John, if this doesn’t cause you to kick it up a few more notches-don’t know what will.


  90. Silver_Witch says:

    Aren’t you handsome…I guess I didn’t realize that – or maybe you are more handsome when you are putting Fox News pundits in their place. Well played John.

  91. Matthew says:

    If myopia is my problem, then please explain why they won’t answer the following – they know the answers, or this is the most incompetent admin in history:
    How many people have actually paid? How many people didn’t have insurance before? How many are under 35?

  92. 4th Turning says:

    Thank you very much-went straight to it just now. (I live in spittin’ distance of Wise County-a
    spectacular corner in these beautiful mtns. if you care to google) Still have tears of gratitude
    for so many good folk everywhere-this country and yours. Also tears of profound shame and
    disappointment… Am including link up top. I was watching Ann Curry on NBC cover this Good
    Earth’s lung/brain cancer-same people you refer to are disallowing healthcare for it.

  93. KarenJ says:

    The other three sitting around that glass table, John, didn’t listen to a word you said.

    Much like the wingnuts who routinely tune in to Fox News — I’ve seen comments from them saying they don’t tune in to POTUS’ weekly Saturday addresses, or his press conferences, or his trips to outside the Beltway to give a speech… They hate him SO much they don’t hear anything but the right wing echo chamber.

  94. Drew2u says:

    decades of propaganda.

  95. Hue-Man says:

    I’m watching the Health Wagon segment on 60 Minutes – I must have a real problem with allergies… Socialized medicine has been the whipping boy of the TeaParty/GOP; when I think that any of my fellow citizens can walk into a medical clinic or the ER for treatment at zero cost, I really wonder how the U.S. could tell its citizens that their health and life is worth nothing. Give profitable corporations a subsidy, give the billionaires another tax cut.

  96. Drew2u says:

    BWaahahahahahahahahaa myopia, thy name is Matthew. XD

  97. 4th Turning says:

    You probably know quite well the predictable “outrage” forthcoming in reply
    to your in depth critique of John’s performance.
    I do have a sincere question if you’d care to elaborate?
    Exactly what kind of healthcare coverage do you currently have for yourself/family
    and have you had to use it in the past year?

  98. Brian in NYC says:

    Yeah, he kinda reminds me of that putz Andrew Sullivan and his shrewishness when he’s on TV, overbearing and egotistical queens

  99. Matthew says:

    Let us know when Obama’s ready to tell us how many people have actually paid; how many people didn’t have insurance before; and how many are under 35.
    Until then you’re pushing propaganda bought only by those who can’t think for themselves. Which is to say liberals, or progressives, or whatever you’re calling yourselves this week.
    And seriously, John – stop going on television. You refuse to let anyone speak, you constantly interrupted the other guests (revealing how weak your arguments are) and basically made a fool out of yourself, something at which you seem to excel. This would explain why you’re not on television very often.
    People who can handle themselves in a debate (people with valid arguments as opposed to your White House talking points designed to fool the low-information left, if you’ll pardon the redundancy) don’t need to resort to such combative, childish and desperate tactics.

  100. 4th Turning says:

    Finally. Some fairness and some balance. (There’s a real and tragic horror story playing out however).

    As it stands now, an estimated 11.5 million uninsured, non-elderly, poor adults live in states that have opted out, according to research from the Urban Institute.

    “Expanding Medicaid is not the path to economic growth that anybody should want,” said Joe Antos, a health care scholar at the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute. “It’s an inefficient way to create jobs. There are a lot of better ways to stimulate the economy.” (At least the poor are now on par
    with the country’s infrastructure…)

    What has gone off the rails in this picture? I figure there’s 10+(?)% in that number same as in the
    population figures given out for everything else? Another good reason to care & brave those scary Nov. voting polls with some of the same courage shown by our Afghan brothers and sisters…


  101. Great clip, John! Hearing the truth on Fox is a rare pleasure!!

  102. Oh, wait until you see the Mozilla segment I post in the morning – I was a wee bit more engaged :)

  103. bkmn says:

    If you weren’t a libril you might have popped their bubble.

  104. Max_1 says:

    Loved it John!

    Don’t be forgetting to add:
    “Universal Health Care was supposed to cover all, including the uninsured, but no, we couldn’t be having any of THAT ‘SOCIALISM’. And now what is it? Not enough covered? Gee, I wonder why.”


  105. TheAngryFag says:

    You sir are a model of self control. I would have lost it and just torn those idiots a new one.

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