The Obamacare sexy-elf video that has the GOP all verklempt

The nation’s leading closeted self-loathing gay Republican organization is throwing a hissy fit over “Get Enrolled,” an adorable new Obamacare-related Christmas-themed video aimed at getting gays to sign up for health insurance.

The Log Cabin Republicans are particularly incensed that the video, produced by a group called Out2Enroll, contains shots of some rather hot elves, which bring to mind the Kmart Jingle Bell boys we wrote about earlier.  According to Log Cabin, hot elves are as bad as Uganda. Or something.

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Here’s Log Cabin’s bizarre, albeit typical, statement, following by the wee bit of analysis it deserves:

Today Log Cabin Republicans, the only LGBT advocacy organization on the Obamacare Repeal Coalition, denounced a video advertisement by Out2Enroll exploiting gay stereotypes to encourage gay men to enroll in the Affordable Care Act.

“This cynical ad betrays the depths Obamacare advocates will sink to in order to pad their pathetic enrollment numbers,” Log Cabin Republicans Executive Director Gregory T. Angelo declared. As a self-proclaimed ‘fierce advocate’ of gay equality, President Obama would do well to distance himself from this nonsense and denounce it immediately.

This ad is also an example of the left promoting harmful stereotypes that gay men are nothing more than sex-crazed lechers. If anyone on the right made such a comparison, liberals would be apoplectic.

At a time when left-wing propagandists are decrying Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson for equating homosexuality with promiscuity and deviance, Out2Enroll and others should take a look in the mirror and ask if the truth is that they are the ones responsible for promoting such harmful stereotypes.”

Ooh boy, a lot of self-loathing to unpack in all of that, but let’s try.  First, here’s the ad – then let’s talk:

1. “Cynical ad”

Log Cabin calls the ad “cynical.”  No, an ad trying to help people get health insurance, for some the first time in their lives, and for others, including people with HIV, a literally lifesaving proposition, is not cynical.

What is cynical is a supposed “gay” organization that serves on something called the “Obamacare Repeal Coalition.”  Cynical is quite literally pushing a status quo ante in which members of your own community could have literally died because no one would provide them affordable, quality health insurance because of their pre-existing condition.

2. “Padding enrollment numbers”

So Gregory T. Angelo thinks a hot elf is going to somehow trick people into enrolling for Obamacare, when they wouldn’t otherwise. And that this will “pad” the enrollment numbers, because of the swarm of gay men who will buy health insurance simply because some guy took his shirt off.  Now who’s stereotyping gay men?

3. “Self-proclaimed ‘fierce advocate’ of gay equality, President Obama”

It’s not like Obama fired his campaign’s national security spokesman because his core constituency couldn’t handle a feygele in the job, but, at this point, questioning whether President Obama has been a fierce advocate as promised on gay rights issues makes you look a bit idiotic.

The man did just snub Vladimir Putin for us – again. There was also that little thing called the repeal of “Dont Ask, Don’t Tell.”  And the administration’s role in helping us get the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) repealed after the President finally came out for gay marriage.  The President’s statements certainly helped us get marriage equality in Maryland, and the administration’s advocacy on our behalf in court certainly didn’t hurt us at the Supreme Court.

I could go on about the Hate Crimes bill, and all the openly-gay senior administration officials, such as the acting Secretary of the Air Force.  But let’s get back to health care reform for a moment.  It’s not going to be a small deal for people with HIV/AIDS who can’t get affordable, quality insurance any other way.  That’s rather fierce too.

Not to mention, how much of this would President Romney have given us?  Um, none.

4. “Sex-crazed lechers”

So, I decided to actually watch the ad. It’s about sexy elves. Rather adorable sexy elves, at that.

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I do think Miss Lindsey is off grabbing her vapors.

5. “If anyone on the right made such a comparison, liberals would be apoplectic.”

“Anyone on the right.”  You mean members of the political party – your party – that worked to thwart the repeal of DADT and to stop the striking down of DOMA?  Who are actively trying to put the marriage equality genie back in its bottle in state after state, and whose members traveled to Uganda to help spread the hate over there as well?  Are those the people we’d be suspicious of if they ever made a video purporting to help increase health insurance enrollment numbers among gay people?  Damn straight, we would.

See, here’s the problem that the self-loathing types never fully appreciate.  When you hate your own community, and when you continue to try to curry favor with a political party that declared war on us decades ago and has refused to relent, then yes, we tend to be suspicious of your motives.  When you say something, or do something, or make something that raises eyebrows we often are more predisposed towards believing that you’re hateful freaking bigots because the last 5,000 times we had a run in with you, you turned out to be freaking hateful bigots.

And just a small quibble. Let’s put things in a little perspective here, shall we?

On one hand, some progressive groups produced a video with some sexy elves trying to convince people to make a choice to save their lives.

On the other, Republican House Speaker John Boehner recently hosted a meeting of religious right advocates in the US Capitol in order to see if any of the wonderful “best practices” for how the Russians and the Ugandans deal with gays could be imported to America.

So, when that level of visceral anti-gay hatred is the norm in your party – and it is – a sexy self-help elf video would be a welcome change.

6. “At a time when left-wing propagandists are decrying Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson…”

You really want to go there, you poor psychologically-damaged little quislings?  Leave it to a self-loathing gay Republican to take the side of some guy who equates gays with people who have sex with animals, and terrorists.  Yet they wonder why people find them self-hating, and their party bigoted.

7. “Promoting harmful stereotypes”

I’ll take the two harmful stereotypes on the right, thanks.

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  • lit per

    Colby and his boy are so cute in that video! Of course old grumpy self-haters are unhappy!

  • hehe

    True. They are engaged but not married as another commenter stated above.

  • Guest

    Colby Melvin and his fiance Brandon Brown but close enough! :)

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    So true

  • http://www.newmillgay.com/ The_Fixer

    The LCR reminds me of the “suits” in the “dungarees vs suits” battle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFE31-GzjaY

  • http://www.newmillgay.com/ The_Fixer

    I wonder what Jerry Falwell would say to what’s happening today. Same-Sex Marriage was not much on the RADAR in the 80s, it was more of a pipedream. We were all consumed by HIV/AIDS crisis (which brought out some nasty rhetoric, too, some of which is being echoed today by the Westboro fools). Though the situation was different, the talk was still all very negative. And it was only the beginning of public figures showing their support of gay people (like Elizabeth Taylor).

    The fact that the financing for NOM is drying up is certainly proof that public pressure works, even if it takes a while to have an effect.

    And here’s evidence that the term “Christian” is taking on a negative connotation: a new generation coming of age has taken a fresh look at these issues and are turned off by religion. They’ve had personal contact with gay people. They know we’re not the evil that the the fundamentalists have painted us to be. Religion has left a bad taste in their mouths, one that they’ll remember for a long time.

    When we get these incremental victories lately, I think of the many activists, both living and those who’ve passed on, who have fought so hard to get us here. Good work, folks!

  • DrRandyG

    For what it’s worth, the two elves on the left (Colby Melvin and Brandon Brown) are a committed couple; have been for about a year, year-and-a-half.

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    It’s a series of relative relationships — when you look at it, Jerry Falwell’s rhetoric from the ’70s and ’80s is nothing like Bryan Fischer’s or Brian Brown’s now. NOM and its allies were able to spend over $100 million on marriage fights 5 or 6 years ago, and now Brown is complaining about being outspent.. Their funding is drying up, I suspect at least in part because for the major donors (LDS Church, especially), the blowback was a little harsh. .

    It’s momentum: look what’s happened in the past five years compared to the 25 before. People have woken up to what the “Christians” are like. I think it’s no coincidence that the word “Christian” has taken on negative connotations to many people.

    One of the first things I learned in my college history classes was that history is a series of reactions. But in the US at least, the pendulum does seem to come to rest a little farther toward the side of social justice each time.

  • http://www.newmillgay.com/ The_Fixer

    I don’t know that it’s been “quickly” when it comes to the American people getting sick of over-the-top rhetoric. Really this stuff started happening in the ’70s with Anita Bryant and really took root in the ’80s with Jerry Falwell and his ilk. So, it’s been a while.

    To me, it’s more like the pendulum slowly swinging back the other way. Public opinion has a way of going from one extreme to the other and then back again.

    I have noticed, however, that public opinion always seems to center itself to more of a progressive place when it comes to human rights. Sure, the pendulum may swing to the far right for a while, but it seems to swing much further left when the trend goes back in that direction. When all is said and done, humanity is generally getting more sane, as evidenced by such things as the end of slavery, women voting and the Civil Rights movement.

    Or at least I’d like to think so.

  • cantake8

    Knowledge and bigotry don’t mix.

  • Whitewitch

    I love South Pacific specifically for this song. A great reason for public education…so children can be taught both sides of the coin and see clearly.

    The nice and hopeful thing is that many children grown up without the hatred their family so lovingly embraces…and yet those who grow in a home with love and affection don’t often seem to reject that attitude.

    Thank everything wonderful for the Internet as well…it shows the hatred so clearly and we are able to step away from it..which is wonderful.

  • 322 Skull

    Obama’s CHRISTMAS Present for you…..

    My….My….My……”””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Take a look ……………….
    youtube.com/watch?v=b-CwV02WxdY&feature=c4-overview&list=UU5x29V6BgAs7dK4qwi-ys5Q

  • cantake8

    Birds of a feather, and all that jazz.
    Notice how large the photos are and how colorfully the PSA is described. THEY’RE OBSESSED! I think it’s hilarious and suspect that many of their kids will reject what they’re selling. How long can people continue freaking out over stuff their kids see every day all around them that is causing no ruckus at all? It’s like the song from SOUTH PACIFIC, “You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught”

    You’ve got to be taught
    To hate and fear,
    You’ve got to be taught
    From year to year,
    It’s got to be drummed
    In your dear little ear
    You’ve got to be carefully taught.

    You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
    Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
    And people whose skin is a diff’rent shade,
    You’ve got to be carefully taught.

    You’ve got to be taught before it’s too late,
    Before you are six or seven or eight,
    To hate all the people your relatives hate,
    You’ve got to be carefully taught!

  • pericles9

    They are Log Cabin REPUBLICANS, doncha know! They put the “moron” in “oxymoron.”

  • Whitewitch

    Oh my what a horrible website MrConservative.com is….it seems worse by far than Drudge…I feel so sad for all the people that get so upset and probably really believe what they say. Gosh…I hope it changes soon.

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    “atheistic Muslim pinko fascist politically-correct oppressor” — read “Black.”

    What they haven’t figured out is that Americans, who are, by and large, fairly sensible people, get real tired of over-the-top rhetoric fairly quickly. And the more over-the-top it gets, the faster they get tired of it. Unfortunately for the “Christian” right, that’s all they’ve got.

  • Whitewitch

    Ohh what a sweetheart! Hope Santa brings you something super special.

  • Monoceros Forth

    *nods* It’s good to see. Again, I feel like I should be a bit careful about wishful thinking here, but ever since the 2012 election it seems to me that the forces of religious bigotry have been forced, perhaps permanently, onto the defensive. They had been robbed of their strongest pillar of support, the claim that they were the true voice of the American people who on Election Day would rise up en masse in rebellion against the tyranny of their atheistic Muslim pinko fascist politically-correct oppressor and all his kindred leftist fiends from Hell. The vast mass of true Americans who believed in morals and values would endure liberal despotism no longer.

    Except the Kenyan demon won by a clear margin and Christian values were repudiated everywhere…and for the first time in my memory I started hearing the first whispered admissions of defeat, the occasional muttered remark that maybe the cultural war had been lost.

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    It’s worse when they all decide to “tow the line” on mangled cliches.

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    I suspect people have been sick of the “religious” right on a lot of fronts for a long time — and that now public opinion is starting to offer some cover.

    As for the NM opinion, the Utah opinion contains its share of acid, and the Ohio opinion overturning that marriage ban (for dead people, at least) is a joy to read. He all but calls the state “morons.”

  • Monoceros Forth

    Maybe I’m being overoptimistic here, but I’m getting the sense from the rapidity of developments in GLBT equality over the last year that a lot of people in this country, even those in high officialdom, have just gotten thoroughly and collectively sick of the Christian right’s pigheadedness on this matter and their increasingly lunatic claims about how people having the wrong sort of sex are going to destroy all human civilization. Look at the contempt that bleeds through the New Mexico judicial ruling for the pathetic rationalizations of the Bible-bashers’ bigotry: it’s very polite and understated contempt, to be sure, but still the overall message is clear. “You idiots really haven’t one good defence for your bullshit, do you?”

  • cantake8

    I’ve seen this character, but not this GIF. HILARIOUS!

  • cantake8

    Log Cabin Republicans ARE self-loathing and hypocritical.
    They support a party which opposes marriage equality, yet many prominent LCRs — including Mary Cheney — are marrying despite the vehement efforts of their chosen party.
    Many LCRs are vocally opposed to public parades that include female impersonators and leather folk, but then they throw their own “GOPride” party and invite every hustler and go-go hooker who will show up.
    LCRs think they are changing their party from the inside out, but really they’re being willful idiots in the right-wing clown show.

  • cantake8

    They open their word holes and a whole purse full of self loathing dumps out.

  • cantake8

    And you ladies are why so many gay men WORSHIP bright, articulate, frisky women.

  • cantake8

    As we’ve often seen: opposition fosters solidarity, ease breeds apathy.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    rotfl! And best wishes to you my friend!

  • Whitewitch

    You are probably right Karmanot, being an old witch my only jewelry is an old toad and a few bat wings…pearls don’t really go with my robe and hat!

    Here’s to a wonderful 2014 of posting and friendship!!!

  • cambridgemac

    When straights do it its ok because normal. Or something,

  • cambridgemac

    LOL. Equating light-hearted encouragement to get health care with life-threatening bigotry. Only a Republican can come up with stuff like that. Isn’t there an elf somewhere you could be sideswiping? Time to back to your volunteer job with the Lincoln Log boys making excuses for Uganda, Putin, and violence against gays in the US.

  • http://heimaey.us/ heimaey

    They would never admit that though. They’d say what would Ayn do?

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    I sometimes wonder.

    As a rational adult, my reaction to the video is that it’s cute, but I don’t know how effective it will be. It doesn’t strike me as having that much of a punch, although if it starts gay men thinking about health coverage, so much the better.

    It’s certainly not something that needs a hysterical press release about how it “demeans” gay men. It’ about one of the most innocent things I’ve seen.

    Maybe I’ll start paying attention to LCR when they’ve grown balls enough to take on Tony Perkins, Scott Lively, Bryan Fischer and the RNC — all of whom say much worse things about, and paint much worse pictures of, gay men every time they open their mouths.

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    You have my complete sympathy. I’m an editor — you can imagine my reaction to that sort of thing.

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    There’s a psychological mechanism known as “projection.” It’s pretty much self-explanatory. It seems to be an epidemic on the anti-gay right. In fact, make that “on the right,” period.

  • http://hunteratrandom.blogspot.com/ rmthunter

    On point 3: Don’t forget the speed with which the administration has moved to extend equal treatment to same-sex couples in the Armed Forces, Social Security, etc., etc., etc. It’s been rather dizzying.

  • cantake8

    Do Republicans — especially the gay ones — have any fun at all in life? They seem intent on frowning and being downers. I read about this video on MrConservative.com that a friend posted to my FB wall. The comments were HILARIOUS! ‘Lord come back soon,” “America is doomed,” Sodom and Gomorrah in numerous iterations and endless spelling variations. Oh the conservative manufactured outrage! I thought it was no big deal and not particularly well produced, but ended up championing the video because it bothered so many right wing religious idiots.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    If Ben Cohen did an ad, I’d buy the platinum and gold plan.

  • Monoceros Forth

    Yeah. Even at its hottest Log Cabin sex isn’t very exciting–not between two of them, anyway. For real fun they have to wait until a married GOP congressman goes to the bathroom, and even then only if he’s cosponsored at least one defence-of-marriage bill.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Well you have a point. I think slings and rubber gloves are not covered.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    My dear WW, pearls are the only jewels a true lady wears—–all else is costume jewelry.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Clutch those pearls Mary, somebody’s knocking on your closet door.

  • AdmNaismith

    The Regan Era united gay people in a way that almost nothing else would have. As AIDS ravaged the community and the govt did nothing, gay people came together faster and fiercer than anyone would have thought possible.
    If the Reagan Administration treated this like the public health crisis that is was, gay people might not have gotten a clue so quickly.

  • Bomer

    Very, very true. It’s for the greater good after all. Ah, science.

  • Number Six

    But only on the cheek.
    :D

  • Monoceros Forth

    Yes, but only after a long and involved courtship by which they sublimate their fearful, threatening, fleshly desires for one another into loftier and more refined interchanges about private-school vouchers, capital-gains taxation, and the scourge of government dependency. Only after the proper rapport has been achieved–preferably with a ritual exchange of invocations to Ronald Reagan–only then are the Log Cabin lovers permitted to kiss one another.

  • Indigo

    See above on Mattachine.

  • Indigo

    They put me in mind of Mattachine and the de-criminalizing movement from the 1950s and early 60s.

    I used to think I was a youthful part of that movement but my, how far we’ve come in the past half century. OMG! Was it that long ago? I think the Reagan Era set us back because we’ve taken quite a while to get to where we are now, we’d better push onward. No stopping until same sex marriage is the law nationwide. Whew! We can do it!

  • sumergocognito

    The domestic violence counselling requirement was based on a recommendation by the National Institute of Medicine concerning Women’s Preventative Services. (IE coverage to be provided without cost-sharing) on it’s own terms, it does not apply to men.

    http://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Fact-Sheets-and-FAQs/aca_implementation_faqs12.html#fn6

    ““Women’s Preventive Services: Required Health Plan Coverage Guidelines” (HRSA Guidelines) were adopted and released on August 1, 2012, based on recommendations developed by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) at the request of HHS. These recommended women’s preventive services are required to be covered without cost-sharing, for plan years (or, in the individual market, policy years) beginning on or after August 1, 2012.”

  • Whitewitch

    Oh totally for science – you know you can never be too careful or watch to closely.

  • Whitewitch

    That is good…mine were much more guttural.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Aye, I watched it and the first inarticulate sound out of my mouth was, “Yum…”

  • Whitewitch

    I think pearls are out now…but gloves – definitely white gloves, preferably to the elbow!

  • Bomer

    Well, as long as it was for science.
    ;-)

  • Whitewitch

    Oh yuck Becca – I think I resemble that comment sometimes when I am replying to some hot blog post!!!

  • Whitewitch

    If only life where not so serious and we could all laugh at ourselves just a little. Just like the rude comments by Phil – which in my humble opinion – should be ignored and credit given to the fact that now we know who Phil is and can STAY THE HELL away from him – your screed implies that people can’t simply enjoy life, reveal in the happiness of the season and at the very same time, although not very informative (I give you that) – it is a gentle and happy reminder to get your coverage as the time is running low.

    So take a deep deep breath and realize no one really think any man makes any decision without consulting his genitals first – straight or gay and so an ad that appeals to them sexually will get their attention a little longer.

  • Whitewitch

    Okay – in the interest of science – I watched this video about 125x’s – you know just to be sure I wasn’t missing anything and I want to suggest that they run this ad for WOMEN too! I know I want to enroll now!!!

  • sumergocognito

    So it seems, when last I read, many insurance companies were offering coverage of prostate exams voluntarily, if HHS did require them, all the better. Hopefully the other gaps in coverage can be remedied too.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Assert first, ignore or dismiss corrected & sourced information after. That’s his debating strategy.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Yep. That, too.

  • http://blogvader.tumblr.com/ Blogvader

    Not that there’s anything wrong with wanting contraception for slutty, recreational sex, which is an activity that is heartily enjoyed by people of all political stripes.

  • dcinsider

    LCR is a mess.

  • timncguy

    so, have you now admitted that your claim about prostrate exams is wrong?

  • jomicur

    But you don’t mind coming here to insult our intelligence with a comment like that one.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Prostate exams for men over 40 are covered 100%.

    He didn’t bother with research, just like he went ahead and repeated the Rush Limbaugh lie about Sandra Fluke wanting contraceptive meds for herself, for slutty ‘recreational’ sex.

    This un-sourced and incorrect assertion was made even though Ms. Fluke’s testimony was about the many different non-contraceptive uses for the medication, and how misogynistic institutions such as Washington University were refusing coverage on moral grounds — when it was an acquaintance of Ms. Fluke who needed those meds to prevent life-threatening ovarian cysts.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Men are eligible, too. They just call it out in particular because women are overwhelmingly (but not exclusively) the victims of domestic violence AND because until PPACA, women were often denied health insurance due to a ‘pre-existing history’ of being a domestic violence victim.

    This is merely a way to assure women that we no longer need to hide or otherwise risk being victimized a second time.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “the Log Cabinettes Daddies in suits?”—–more like nannies in suits.

  • http://blogvader.tumblr.com/ Blogvader

    I’m guessing Sumer here doesn’t get to enjoy the aftereffects of sexual autonomy on the part of women.

    That’s really sad.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    You support a woman’s right to sexual autonomy as long as it in no way, tangentially or actuarially, affects your health insurance premiums. Or makes you feel like someone else is getting something ‘extra.’

    Got it.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “Do they even have sex?” Only when wearing pearls and Gucci loafers.

  • http://heimaey.us/ heimaey

    Barely.

  • http://www.newmillgay.com/ The_Fixer

    The people at the LCR should know that not everyone can be affluent Roy Cohn-type “homosexuals” like them.

    This ad’s biggest downfall is that it wasn’t particularly great. Oh yeah, it had eye candy and was done with a light touch, but it was not particularly informative. A bunch of cute guys does not make an effective argument as to why one should “get enrolled.” On the other hand, it is a lighthearted Christmas-themed thing. As such, I didn’t find it offensive.

    The LCR needs to find another hobby. This is nothing to get upset about.

  • sumergocognito

    HHS wrote the regulations concerning mandatory benefits, they were rushed out in a rather careless and cynical way. HHS can fix them without congress’ permission, no?

  • Monoceros Forth

    And I know it’s easier to attack me if I’m a misogynist–

    Why pretend to the “if” at this point? Really?

  • sumergocognito

    Domestic violence counselling?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Brava!

  • sumergocognito

    Which of those risks are covered (on a mandatory basis, per HHS) at 100%? If I broke my leg skiing, I’d have to pay a deductible and co-pays for treatment as well as co-pays for pain-killers, etc. Why is contraception different that it should be free? And I know it’s easier to attack me if I’m a misogynist but you’ll note I said a the very beginning “I fully support her right to privacy”, perhaps I should have been more specific and said “sexual autonomy” but that the former usually covers the latter

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Indeed. It just made me verklempt.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM
  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Which is among the many reasons we love you so much, Monoceros. :-)

  • Monoceros Forth

    I wouldn’t splutter so much, sweetie. It would improve your spelling.

  • sumergocognito

    They can’t both be free? Considering there are cases where one is beneficial over the other, why not remove cost as a factor all together? For some people, the fact that they can’t pay $250 for a vasectomy (and can’t afford another child) might push them toward a more dangerous procedure.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    By your argument, there should be no health insurance coverage for any injury or illnesses acquired during voluntary recreational activities.

    So I guess we start by banning skiing, since that results in quite a few broken bones and ruined joints. And jogging. And better not get stung by a jellyfish at the beach! People don’t HAVE to go on vacation to the Carolina shore.

    You’re trying to carve out an exception for something you personally don’t approve of, namely women’s sexuality.

  • politicalcynic

    closeted self-loathing gay Republican organization

    Really? Gee. To my knowledge, most LCR members are OPENLY gay, not closeted (hence the reason it is a GAY organization). And frankly, what you engaged in was a classic example of liberal bigotry: Anyone who doesn’t agree with you must be “self-loathing” or “homphobic” or “pick-the-name-of-choice”

    News flash from someone who IS gay, is NOT a member of the GOP and NOT a mbmer of the LCR: I found the ad offensive. It offends my intelligence and it relies on stereotypes of gay men. The underlying assumption of the ad is that gay men will only buy ACA insurance if led there by the privates because they have no brains.

    Tell me-did you think this through before you posted it? Or is your own bigotry so deeply set that you no longer engage your brain before positing nonsense like this? You are doing EXACTLY what the right says the left does: dismissing anything they don’t agree with by using name-calling and attempts to silence rather than dialogue. So how is your little rant making you any better than conservatives?

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Yep, ,I’m sensitive about it too. Was expecting the ad to be all fey or something. But if they’re saying that the hot shirtless thing is some kind of gay stereotype, sorry, it’s a gay reality. For a certain segment of the gay male community, this ad is spot on. And regardless, it’s not based on any stereotypes. Unless of course you actually hate that you like guys, then you might consider it a stereotype that the video is based on, you know, guys, liking gys.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Actually, I’d prefer my government did insult with dicks and butts, but that’s just me.

  • Monoceros Forth

    Touché! What can I say? Sometimes all the frustrated liberal arts major in me comes out of the closet and makes a mess on the carpet.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Sadly, none of your concerns will ever be addressed because the Republicans aren’t interested in actually improving the legislation. So if you have a point, and who knows, you just might about some of those issues, they’ll never be fixed thanks to the GOP. So…

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Becca addresses your odd comment about Sandra Fluke’s testimony, in which the actual testimony is about the fact that women’s contraceptive needs go beyond sex. But you never mention what “male” issues aren’t addressed in the legislation? Penis enlargement?

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Meow.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Exactly. It’s being a sex-crazed lecher showing a hot elf? The ad was rather innocuous. Then again, if the intent of Log Cabin’s statement was to curry favor with someone in the G, and/or, say, a certain donor, then their statement makes total sense. Just conjecture, but I read that statement and my alarm bells went off, asking exactly WHO asked them to write this, considering the only other people reporting on this is WorldNetDaily.

  • sumergocognito

    I used the term “recreational” deliberately, I’m aware that contraceptive treatments have medical uses besides contraception per se, and, to the extent they’re medically necessary, they should be available on the same basis as any other medically necessary treatment. (As for “boner pills”, since they’re a lifestyle treatment, I’m fine making people who want them pay full freight)

    My point is that sex is not unique among recreational activities in that mitigating its potential risks costs money, but that the cost should be borne (at least in part) by the person who wants to do it, given that it is a voluntary risk.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Of course they can’t afford it if they ever lose their job and have any pre-existing conditions like, oh, allergies and thus wouldn’t be able to get insurance. Even rich people were at risk under the old system.

  • Monoceros Forth

    It’s the Internet. Mangled idioms are the norm. Writers on the Internet regularly “wreck havoc” with hackneyed phrases imperfectly remembered and reproduced, “soft-peddle” difficult questions and “reign in” whatever instincts might whisper in their ears that maybe they shouldn’t trot out overused metaphors without grasping first what they actually mean. All I can say is, “the proof is in the pudding”.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Y’know, it undercuts your entire position when you refer to a woman whose name you can’t be bothered to look up and deliberately misrepresent the intent of her testimony before Congress.

    Her name was Sandra Fluke. And her testimony was to point out how only 42% of women rely on hormonal contraceptive medication for purely contraceptive reasons, and some 14% use it for reasons that have nothing to do with sex.

    I was one of them. I was infertile to begin with, but needed those medications — and have to wonder why insurance almost never excludes ‘public indemnity’ from men receiving boner pills, but my prescriptions somehow rose to the level of possible exclusion from coverage because prudish misogynists think there’s something immoral about a medication with dozens of medically necessary uses.

    Source: http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2011/11/15/

  • Monoceros Forth

    Oh, dear, and I thought the job of health insurance was to make affordable those medical procedures which are more likely to be imposed as expensive necessities. So if a woman is told that another pregnancy will kill her she should pay more for the invasive procedure that would help to save her life, while the guy who wants the freedom of shooting blanks should get his five-minute snip for nothing. Have I got that right?

  • BlueIdaho

    The bottom line is that the Log Cabin guys are, for the most part, affluent. Therefore, they can afford health care insurance or it is provided by their Fortune 500 companies. They don’t give a shit about the rest of us. The ad is aimed at those of us who are in low paying jobs where the employer doesn’t provide insurance or we need assistance to obtain it. LCR can go fuck themselves.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Log Cabin Republicans: Self-hating gays.

    Pretty much sums it all up, no?

  • caphillprof

    Do log cabin republicans ever get erections? Do they even have sex?

  • sumergocognito

    No, they aren’t comparable, except in their effect. As for the risk/cost issue, isn’t the point that vasectomies should be encouraged, (for say, a heterosexual couple that doesn’t want any more children) relative to tubal ligation? By making one free, and the other not, hasn’t Obamacare gotten the public health issue upside down?

  • Monoceros Forth

    Fine, but you’re not really addressing the point, are you? There are medical reasons why the procedures are not entirely comparable. You’re implying a symmetry that isn’t there.

  • sumergocognito

    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2012/February/27/five-questions-health-law-mandate-birth-control.aspx?p=1

    “But Adam Sonfield, senior public policy associate at the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive health research group, says the language is unclear, and it would be foolish to exclude vasectomies. For one thing, he says, they are less expensive and pose a lower risk of complications than female surgical sterilization methods. Plus, he says, waiving co-payments for services for one sex but not the other raises issues of discrimination.

    “I can’t see how it would be in anyone’s interest to treat them differently,” says Sonfield.”

  • timncguy

    Wouldn’t a prostate cancer screening be part of an annual physical / preventive doctor visit which is cover at 100% with no deductible and no co-pay? I just had my annual physical and it was covered as part of preventive care.

  • Monoceros Forth

    Tubal ligation is covered without cost sharing, vasectomies are only covered to the extent of an elective medical procedure.

    Maybe something to do with the inconvenient fact that a vasectomy is a very easily performed minor surgery with a vanishingly small mortality rate while tubal ligation is abdominal surgery and therefore more dangerous?

    EDIT: There’s also the little fact that tubal ligation and other such methods of sterilization are often indicated for cases not “recreational” to use your sneering label but for serious medical reason. An unwanted pregnancy is quite capable of killing a woman. Somehow I doubt that any man has had his life threatened by an unwanted cumshot.

  • FLL

    From the Log Cabin Republicans statement:

    This ad is also an example of the left promoting harmful stereotypes that gay men are nothing more than sex-crazed lechers.

    I didn’t note anything particularly sex-crazed in that video. I’ve seen mostly-hetero sports teams do videos that are as vanilla and innocuous as the OUt2Enroll video.

  • emjayay

    The Loggies complaints are absurd. Did they notice that the whole thing is lighthearted and a bit campy while also sincere? That the woman is quite charming and a good singer? You know, kind of like an Old Navy commercial. There is no direct implication of seduction or sex, in the music or visuals, unlike some commercials. Ridiculous.

    However, I don’t think you grab your vapors. One clutches one’s pearls. One catches the vapors or suffers from the vapors (the vapors is an archaic term for mainly mental states, mostly associated with women). I associate verklemt with being caught up with emotion and being choked up, like at a wedding or funeral or something. In the original German, verklemmt means uptight. It comes from the word for clamp, so it literally means clamped up.

  • jomicur

    I had the same thought. My friends all tell me I’m a bit too sensitive about stereotypical portrayals of gay men, but I’m damned if I saw any in that ad.

  • sumergocognito

    Prostate cancer screening is only covered to the extent of any other covered procedure, breast cancer screenings (for women) are covered without cost sharing. Domestic violence counselling and services are covered 100% for women, but not for men. Tubal ligation is covered without cost sharing, vasectomies are only covered to the extent of an elective medical procedure.

  • emjayay

    That’s because they are not.

  • emjayay

    The brown guy has some chest hair actually.

  • Monoceros Forth

    I don’t think you really need to take seriously any comment from some idiot who snidely refers to the Pill as “recreational”, especially since his male-specific issues probably have to do with wanting cheaper boner pills.

  • timncguy

    could you be more specific? What is missing from the coverage that is male-specific?

  • sumergocognito

    Funny that it seems to miss an actual criticism of Obamacare, that it’s awfully lacking in coverage for male-specific health issues, certainly compared to female-specific health issues. Not to mention that woman who testified about the contraceptive mandate, while I fully support her right to privacy, I don’t see why her recreational decisions are worthy of public indemnity.

  • Hue-Man

    “Sex-crazed lechers” Highly unlikely, if they’re married! (just kidding)

    LCR is missing the point, as usual. The ad is aimed at persuading the healthcare sign-up of the 20-somethings who are not terrified by gay men. Conversely, LCR has to appeal to the TeaParty/GOP demographic – angry, white, male, 80-somethings – which hates everything gay, including LCR.

  • fletcher

    What stereotypes? These guys look like the Chippendale-like dancer hired to bring birthday greetings to my employer’s secretary a month ago. He came dressed as an elf before he gyrated down to his shorts. The secretary squealed with delight. The brochure listed him as Ralph Elf. They also offer Duckman, who resembles those Beverly Hillbillies wannabes on A&E.

  • Mike in Houston

    Are the LCRs moonlighting for One Million Moms? Seriously, someone is projecting their inadequacy.

  • Drew2u

    “… for those times when you want to be mauled by a bear”?

  • Rambie

    It’s Colby Melvin and his husband Jason Brown, not sure who the others were.

  • timncguy

    The advertisement was NOT created by the government. So, calm down.

  • driverlesstaxi

    I expect to have my intelligence insulted by beer, car, and Coca-Cola ads; Tits, dicks, butts or whatever.
    I would prefer not to have our government insult me with tits, dicks, and butts.

  • timncguy

    right, because heterosexuals never make commercials filled with bikini-clad women….

  • cole3244

    as many four letter words the right has at its disposal hate is the one they are the most comfortable with.

  • txiconoclast

    And if 2 of those guys look familiar, it’s because they were in the anti-Mitt Romney music video with hot guys in swim suits: “Disclosure”.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Stereotypes? Would that be male? If I didn’t like guys, I wouldn’t be gay. Perhaps the Logcabinettes believe the stereotype is young. This commercial is primarily aimed at the younger crowd, although the rest of us can certainly enjoy it.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Isn’t that always the way?

  • sonoitabear

    Beautiful take-down, John… They truly are self-hating, aren’t they? One can only shudder to think what a miserable Christmas/Holiday they’re going to have…

  • Fireblazes

    O de Lah

  • Indigo

    Well, now . . . the Log Cabinettes (Daddies in suits?) talk only about themselves, all the time in every context. Looking at it from that point of view, we recognize immediately that the expression “sex-crazed lechers” is the clearest statement of self-analysis the LC has every made.

    Wonderful video! Too bad about the Log Cabinettes.

  • http://heimaey.us/ heimaey

    I’m offended too. I’m offended that there were no hairy dudes in the video. All those boys were too smooth.

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