Southern National Guards tell Hagel to take a hike on gay troop spouse IDs

Apparently not having learned their lesson in the 1860s, a handful of Republican-controlled red-state National Guards are publicly challenging the authority of the Secretary of Defense over the recognition of spouses of gay US service members.

I’d written about this issue a few days ago, when Secretary of Defense Hagel ordered rogue National Guard generals in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, West Virginia and Indiana to start issuing military spouse IDs to the spouses of gay US service members.  While other states had begun issuing the IDs, which became legal and necessary under the Supreme Court’s recent decision striking down Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act, these 9 states refused.

Since that time, Indiana has agreed to provide the IDs.

South Carolina, on the other hand, has decided to stop issuing IDs all together, and making all National Guard spouses, straight and gay, travel the often- long distance to a federal military base to get their ID.

The other states are so far refusing to budge, which is a direct challenge to Secretary Hagel and the Pentagon’s authority over the National Guard.

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While I’m sure many of the constituents in those states would enjoy yet another opportunity to tell the federal government to go to hell over a civil rights issue, the fact remains that every time the south goes to war over these issues, it loses.  And this time, the lost might total in the billions of dollars.

You see, there’s a little known fact that the National Guard, while split in its administration between the states and the federal government, tends to get the lion’s share of its funding from the feds.

Take Mississippi (please).  The Mississippi National Guard annual report for fiscal year 2011 shows that the state of Mississippi appropriated almost $7.8 million for the state National Guard.  In that same year, the federal government gave the Mississippi National Guard $679 million. In 2012, the figures were similar: $685 million from the feds, $7.2 million from the state of Mississippi.

In other words, Mississippi gets nearly 99% of the budget of its state National Guard from Secretary Hagel, the guy they’re now saying they don’t need.

Now who’s a “taker”?

Things get awfully interesting when you’ve got federal money mixed in with state money, as it’s against federal law  - as set by the US Supreme Court – to use federal money to deny federal benefits in any way to married gay couples.  It’s all well and good for states like Mississippi to pretend that the National Guard is “theirs,” but when the feds are paying 99% of the tab, legally the Mississippi National Guard belongs to Uncle Sam.

As for the Mississippi constitution and the other state constitutions banning gay marriage, the US Constitution trumps any of their documents, individually or collectively.

This should get very interesting.  Putting the gay issue aside, the federal government has a strong interest in preserving its right to run the National Guard as it sees fit.  And the GOP-controlled National Guards are setting a precedent in which Defense Secretary Hagel’s orders, on anything, simply don’t matter.  And that will have repercussions for Hagel and the DOD far beyond the issue of ID cards for gay spouses.


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  • Helookalikaman79

    Marriage has been “redefined” many many times, unless you believe that a woman can legally be stoned to death if she was not a virgin prior to the marriage… And if you believe the “Sanctity of marriage” is being threatened, why are you and others NOT trying to ban divorce ??? 50% divorce rate for marriages ….. and “Normal States” is an oxymoron….. Think (if u can) about all the people you come into contact with every day, is it any of your business to deny ANY of these peoples freedoms, and goverment benefits? You marry the person you love, assuming it was a religious marriage, why accept the goverment perks ? AND think about your right to your religion, now think of others there right to NOT be forced to live by YOUR religion….. A gay couple getting married, does absolutly NOTHING to your marriage….

  • BilodeauME

    You can run your state militia on the 1% that the state kicks in. Meanwhile the US Military will take back all of the equipment. The SC Air National Guard can fly Piper Cubs. No tanks, no Humvee’s. Without federal military benefits – good luck convincing anyone to serve in your neo-confederate bigot militia. Base Closure Commission – the post Iraq/Afghanistan scale down just became much easier- goodbye Ft Jackson, Beaufort, Charleston, Shaw AFB and Paris Island. Plenty of capacity to relocate to non-bigot states. Of course, this is all fantasy because your states-rights argument regarding the National Guard is all wet. Just ask the ghost of George Wallace if you don’t believe me.

  • MichaelS

    Someone please help me on this one… During the civil rights marches down south, didn’t Kennedy nationalize the national guards in some southern states (effectively taking them over) when the governor refused to order them to protect the safety and welfare of those minority students going into the newly-integrated schools? Can’t Obama do the same here?

    If not, then go the funding route. But in either case, do it NOW and do it WITH FORCE. The Repugs shut down the government because, by their own admission, no one was afraid of Obama. The Commander-in-Chief really needs to stand up to this, and stand up to it immediately, or else he’s lost all authority and the next 3 years are going to be painful. (And moreover, just imagine when the BLACK Commander-in-Chief takes command of the national guards in these bigoted states, or starves them out of existence…)

  • Whitewitch

    She is fab – really fab…

  • Helookalikaman79

    It is part of a Margaret Cho, joke… But applies with this bs…. The joke is, that the nutcases want hairstylists, makeup artists, wedding planners, floral arrangements etc, so the gays help with the straight weddings…. gays should go on strike, “If I cant get married, YOU cant get married…. Who needs a floral arrangement now????” I so love her ….

  • Whitewitch

    Thanks – I thought of it myself…although I would still help them and then invite them to the wedding. I think their attitude would totally change – in fact I think the majority of people actually no care – just a few very loud, obnoxious people.

  • Helookalikaman79

    LOL I love that Idea…. natural disaster, all the LGBTQ military members get sent in to help, but they pause, then say, If I cant get married, U cant get help….

  • murphy0071

    All the units in these states that refuse to follow the law should be sent post haste to the front lines around the world.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Total fail

  • Butch1

    Stop knit-picking. All soldier’s spouses get IDs. You bigots cannot differentiate between them.

  • Butch1

    Federal laws regarding equal treatment of soldier’s spouses. Get with it.

  • Butch1

    They definitely are enemies of the state.

  • Butch1

    What part of “National” Guard do you not understand? Follow the law or get sited for it. Are YOU are part of this nation or not? What part of “Don’t Tread On Me” don’t you understand? Either you become a part of this nation or get the hell out of it.

  • Butch1

    When do the arrests start and when do the insubordination charges come?

  • http://fighttherightwingnuts.blogspot.com/ mike31c

    This is not an issue: Cut military and discretionary funds to red state bigots. These assholes are usually crying about government spending anyways.

  • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

    Georgia chooses to violate federal law with respect to gays and at the same time cites federal law as a reason to violate their own state medical marijuana law. Georgia prides themselves on being religious and at the same time will persecute anyone who smokes holy oil the way Jesus Christ did as he hid in the Catacombs from the Romans.

  • LanceThruster

    Still seems to go against uniform standards, but I’ll take your word that there is currently some contradictory regulations.

  • Paul

    Marriage is for creating a family with the person you love. The basic biological fact that we fall in love with the same sex rather than the opposite sex means that our similarly-situated couplings are equivalent to yours. You can only believe otherwise if you think either 1) that we don’t fall in love in the same way and don’t deserve to have legally protected families, or 2) that we simply choose to be gay when we’re really straight. If it’s the former, you’re a bigoted a$$hole. If it’s the latter, you’re an ignorant bigoted a$$hole. Still a bigoted a$$hole, I want to emphasize, because you’ve actually thought about it and, lacking proper knowledge, have come to your conclusion.

  • lynchie

    Go back to whatever rock you crawled out from and hibernate for another 50 years.

  • TKinSC

    Breaking what law?

  • TKinSC

    There already is equality. Gays can marry anyone a similarly-situated straight person can, in all 50 states.

  • TKinSC

    Entertaining is all it would be, as states, once approved, have a sovereign right to exist, and control over their territory in all areas not constitutionally prohibited or exclusively reserved to the federal government.

  • tkinsc

    It’s not bigoted to recognize a same-sex “marriage” for what it is: a non-marriage. The good news for same-sex “spouses” is that they can still get their ID cards, as Obama is determined to disrespect the 35 states that have chosen not to redefine the institution of marriage for the sake of a few people who are attracted to those they can share a public restroom with. They just have to go to a federal base to get them, because normal states will not participate in an oxymoron.

  • TKinSC

    The Supremacy Clause talks about National Guard ID cards for same-sex “spouses”?

  • TKinSC

    They are unlawful, as they violate DOMA Section 2. Nor are the day-to-day operations of the National Guard (other than training of forces) subject to the federal chain of command.

  • TKinSC

    Marriage is by definition the union of a man and a woman. The Supreme Court may have ruled that the federal government has to recognize so-called “marriages” of same-sex couples when their home state does, but they most certainly did NOT rule that the federal government must — or even may — recognize those “marriages” in states that do not. They furthermore did not rule that states must recognize those “marriages” — to the contrary, that part of DOMA (Section 2) remains in effect, and National Guards, while subject to being called into federal service, are state militias, and not part of the federal armed forces. Sec. Hagel’s order is unlawful, both because it runs counter to DOMA Section 2 and because the federal government does not have such authority over the National Guards. If same-sex “spouses” want their ID cards from a state office, the other “spouse” should move to one of the weirdo states and join their Guard. Leave us normal states alone.

  • Phil

    They support the troops until they come home and need services from the VA my friend…Dubya’s congressional republicans cut VA funding the very week they had our troops march into Iraq, so focused were they on supporting our troops. It’s sort of like their support for the unborn, which ceases immediately once they are born. Support the troops not the veterans…now it’s he states, not the country they want to support, well SOME of the states not California, of course…

  • murphy0071

    Time to have a court martial for failure to obey a command. While awaiting trial, throw them in Guantanamo as what they are–enemies of the state.

  • http://www.newmillgay.com/ The_Fixer

    Well, I think the bigots’ leadership seem to be very much in sync with their base. Our leadership seems to talk the talk, but not walk the walk – at least after they’ve been elected.

  • http://www.newmillgay.com/ The_Fixer

    Think you went off-topic, there.

    First off, the referring URL you put in was wrong – there was an extra space in there. The correct URL is http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org I navigated to that site, and one of the first things I see is a disclaimer that it is no longer being maintained. He then refers you to another site, the author of which says he is not an investigative reporter. Not confidence-inspiring, but we can let that go. Other people operate other sites that serve as clearing houses of sorts. By the way, do not misinterpret my questioning of these sources as support for Baptists, let alone predators, I just believe that one needs to have supporting evidence that is a little more credible.

    You then go off on something even more unrelated, and quite frankly, it seems to be nonsensical. First off, Islam does not have either a confirmation (a Christian rite of passage) nor a Bar Mitzvah (a Jewish rite of passage), as near as I can tell. A quick search of Wikipedia does not reveal a comparable coming-of-age ritual among Muslims, but I am not the authority on this. Perhaps someone else can enlighten you on that.

    You compound the impertinence of your comment by talking about some sexual assault on Saddam.

    I don’t understand what your last sentence has to do with the situation that is the subject of this article.

    Again, I am not condoning sexual assault. But what does this have to do with certain state governments not obeying a Federal directive? I don’t see the connection, if there is one.

  • EdA

    The elected officials of the slave states of the former Confederacy don’t seem to have learned their lessons in the 1960′s either. South Carolina, at least, where the Southern Sociopaths started the Civil War, at least realizes that all its guardspeople have to be treated equally.

    What I don’t understand, however, is why everyone can’t be required to get their IDs at Reserve armories.

  • sJames6621

    their jet engine is a reversed alimentary canal burning gaseous products of digestion.

    Stuff a few big birds up their ass and hope they jets dont just fail but expload

  • sJames6621

    just antoehr battle of the bulge by the anti christs who ultimat4ely will lose and hopefully there is a hellfires

  • sJames6621

    Not when reliigous based bigotry exists – these people would starve their own kids to ekep their insane hatreds going

    BTW part of the problem is endless abuse of children . If you think the catholic church has a problem see http://www.stopbaptist predators.org

    Part of , I/ve been told is the problem wth some extremist islamic states is that there a confirmation or bah-mitzvah is to have the parents rape their own children

    BTW that was exactly what made the nut case Saddam rrun – his stepfather dicked him

    Since its hard for many reasons to get back at your own parents etc, they take out the hatred on others in the4 same manner

  • sJames6621

    REpugnmicans again showing their hate. These are the same type of breed whose forbears believed black people were inferior and deserved slavery

    Cut off the money flow and pray for natural disasters in these states. God will fix them good.

  • jamesnimmo

    http://apollosbrain.blogspot.com/2013/11/governor-fallin-remove-yourself-from.html

    Governor Mary Fallin Continues to Pound the Table

    (OKLAHOMA CITY) Okie Governor Mary Fallin’s ignorant stand in trying to defy the Department of Defense’s order to allow National Guard legally married same-gender couples to apply for the same benefits as opposite-gender couples has put the Governor’s knickers in a twist. Law-and-order Fallin refuses to abide by the law-and-order Supreme Court ruling overturning a portion of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).

    This Tulsa World story suggests she’s working with Attorney-General Scott Pruitt to devise a way to ensure her homo-hating voter-magnet agenda continues to mislead Oklahoma’s citizens about the meaning of civil rights in a constitutional republic. In short, that means majority voters’s ignorance does not trump the civil rights of the minority. Constitutional rights are not a raffle prize that go to the victor.

    There is already plenty of legal precedent that the FEDS trump the STATES when it comes to the Guard. Anybody, including Fallin’s spokes-toady Weintz and the Okie Attorney-General Pruitt, ever hear of Eisenhower federalizing the Arkansas Guard to ensure the Little Rock Nine were able to go to Central High School? Anybody ever read about Kennedy federalizing the Alabama Guard to force Wallace to admit two students to the Univ. of Alabama? Both of those states had laws forbidding integration, yet those those laws were overruled by FEDERAL court rulings which in turn were based on the FEDERAL Constitution.

    Fallin and Pruitt have neither the law nor the facts on their side and are pounding the table hoping the noise will distract from the truth.

    ( If the facts are on your side, Dershowitz says, pound the facts into the table. If the law is on your side, pound the law into the table. If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound the table.
    http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/07/04/legal-adage/ )

    Perhaps Fallin, Perry of TX, and the other six governors will do the rest of the country a favor and remove themselves from the the Union as Perry has toyed with before. But they don’t need to go that far. They can just remove themselves from the National Guard Armory door.

    Give it up, Fallin, go party with another uniform.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jfk-faces-down-defiant-governor

    CLIP—“Gov. Fallin is calling on President Obama and Secretary Hagel to stop using the National Guard as a pawn in a larger social agenda,” said Weintz. “The president has made it clear he supports gay marriage. He has the legal authority to order federal agencies to recognize gay marriages. He does not have the legal authority to force state agencies to do so, or to unilaterally rewrite state laws or state constitutions.”

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/state-eyes-legal-options-after-hagel-order-to-guard-units/article_d9762c22-4361-11e3-bf6f-0019bb30f31a.html

  • Corey

    Place sanctions on the states, like the US does to countries that do what they are told….plus, these red states wanted a gov shut down, now the gov can do it legally. Then toss those in charge into jail for breaking the law.

  • LanceThruster

    So I guess the chain of command applies on a voluntary basis only (as these are NOT unlawful orders)?

  • Stev84

    Yeah, the Supremacy Clause is very clear about this.

  • Jeffrey Marks

    Agreed. Money talks.

  • Paul

    And on the flip side, imagine what else we could be doing with *our* energy if we didn’t have to keep fighting them for simple, basic equality.

  • TheOriginalLiz

    Sadly, it seems that the bigots are the only ones who will actually stand up for what they believe in any more.

  • clarknt67

    Their bigotry means more to them than supporting the troops or respecting the chain of command.

  • http://www.newmillgay.com/ The_Fixer

    Well, it’s not so surprising when you think back a bit.

    The only reason why the rail equipment making company located itself in Wisconsin was for this project. No project, no need to be here.

    The reason why the relocation to Illinois wasn’t talked about was that it didn’t fit into Walker’s agenda. The whole reason he turned down the rail project in the first place was that he, and the other Republicans in this state absolutely hate Milwaukee. I am not kidding, they all think that Milwaukee is horribly managed, is the seat of corruption in the state, and worse yet – it’s got Minorities! Anything that benefits Milwaukee is off the table. Of course, you have to remember that only the hippies in Madison and the poor people in Milwaukee take trains, and they can’t be helping those people.

    Getting rid of the rail project also had one side benefit to them. People from Milwaukee could have just hopped on the train to Madison, and let their voices be heard in person – and relatively cheaply at that. Walker and the Republicans in State Government surely did not want that. All of those Minorities! demanding representation is not something they want. After all, the Voter ID law (currently under appeal in court) was, just like equivalent laws in the south, designed to disenfranchise minority and Democratic voters.

    But Scotty doesn’t seem to be worried about re-election. He’s got the Chamber of commerce and the Koch’s running ads for him.

  • maria

    Scott Walker is strange bird. He throws a big media event to announce that a company making booths for company trade shows with 18 employees was moving from Illinois to Wisconsin but refused to even comment when a company making equipment for the high-speed rail system that employed over 200 employees moved from Wisconsin to Illinois after Walker refused to release funds for Wisconsin’s 30% contribution for a high-speed rail line from Milwaukee to Madison, but Illinois okayed its high-speed line from Chicago to St. Louis.

  • caphillprof

    Yes, but red states are hell bent on going backwards.

  • Monoceros Forth

    I daresay that all their love for ARE TROOPS is basically just another form of their love for violence, guns, and killing people. It’s nothing to do with concern for the actual soldiers and all about wet dreams of big guns and fighter planes and missiles blowing up the Mooslim hordes.

  • caphillprof

    The quickest way for compliance would be for Hagel to declare a moratorium on federal defense spending in states not immediately in compliance, not just the national guard, but the federal military facilities and defense contractors. That should get their attention.

  • Hue-Man

    Remind me again how the GOP loves and supports “their” troops. Until they’re lesbian or gay or until they can be used and abused as props to score points against gays.

    Do states like that really “need” any federal offices of any description? Including mail delivery and the post office, air traffic control, food inspection, interstate highways, etc.?

  • Indigo

    I fully understand. I’m a Hoosier born and bred with a family line going back to 1812 and an IU-Bloomington graduate to boot. Go Big Red! :-)

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    They also only seem to get all worked up asserting ‘states rights’ when it’s a Democrat in the White House.

  • Marco Luxe

    These governors revel in the ability to make political points with their good ol’ boy constituents. The feds will win, of course, but it would be wise for DC to deny these politicians all grandstanding opportunities. Letting them quietly fade away into political obscurity is the best, though not fastest, strategy. I approve of SC’s non-discriminatory inconvenience-for-all approach for spreading the pain. I wish that road was taken regarding marriage licenses. This would have laid the blame on traditionalists for forcing the change from marriage to civil unions onto everybody.

  • Butch1

    They have a huge FBI ( or CIA ) office in West Virginia; perhaps they should start laying off workers there and at the military base until they change their minds. If they do not need government money to help out, many people will lose their jobs and since they do not believe in government “socialism” perhaps they should try and go it on their own and see how that works out for them. These folks know how to live off the land but, it’s very hard to start out in the Fall/Winter months when you’re not prepared for it. How many know how to hunt and do things the “old way?” I have a feeling they would be standing at the doors of the governor’s mansion and other major buildings with pitchforks telling them they had better change their minds and quickly.

  • Butch1

    I want to know what the punishment will be when “the hammer finally comes down” on these renegade states. Who will be fined and go to jail?

  • Whitewitch

    Can we have butter on the popcorn….the really salty, fattening kind! Thanks.

  • Whitewitch

    Cutting off one’s nose to spite their face is never beneficial. I believe they should loose their funding for the National Guard, that said though in a natural disaster – I think we should send the LBGT military down to help them, exclusively.

  • http://www.newmillgay.com/ The_Fixer

    Interesting how the Southern States always assert “States’ Rights” when the argument involves bigotry or religion.

    Wouldn’t this simply be a matter of Federal supremacy? I think it is; game over. They lose.

    I’d almost be surprised if the Feds cut funding. I’d expect that they’d take the states to court in a long, protracted battle that the Feds would ultimately win. It’s the most wasteful way to get a resolution, so they’ll take that option.

  • http://www.newmillgay.com/ The_Fixer

    Indeed he is. WI is supposed to be a purple state, but what makes it that way are the two big blue areas – Milwaukee and Madison. The rest of it is red with a capital R.

    Interestingly enough, there’s a fair number of people in the Northwoods who can trace their ancestry back to… Kentucky! They had moonshiners and everything up there.

    He’s cut education funding, social programs and refused the insurance exchange. Yet he claims to be a job grower. Funny, we’re still in the lower 10% in job creation, but he and the Chamber of Commerce are touting Wisconsin’s dramatic rise from 49th in job creation to 45th.

    And yet people in this state fall for the Koch-sponsored bullshit spewing out of Madison. Apparently, you can fool most of the people most of the time.

  • kevinbgoode

    Perhaps it might be quite entertaining for LGBT members of Congress to submit a bill reverting these states to territories under federal administration. They aren’t quite ready to become prime time Americans.

  • 1tehamawhiteneck

    I am afraid that Obama will not do anything. We should deny those states that refuse to obey a lawful order the benefits of our taxes. Let them survive on their own. they do not need the feds, (so they say). So piss on them.

  • GrantLV

    Let these states lose their funding, and if a natural disaster hits, no fed help. America does not need these traitors.

  • kevinbgoode

    Since it appears the benefits requiring the ID are apparently provided by the federal government, rather than the bigot states, these rogue governors have nothing to stand on other than some rebellious claim that their constitution trumps the federal government. The question, at least in some of these states, is if they can use a pen and paper filled out in a state-operated facility to issue and ID without violating their bigot state constitution.

    This has to be a new low for pettiness. These states are using the service personnel as pawns just to pretend they are quasi-sovereign nations.

  • dcinsider

    I think that’s right. However, they can nationalize the Guard and order them to comply. Dramatic step for an ID, but it’s possible. Pass the popcorn!

  • Drew2u

    Walker’s working really hard to turn WI into WIssissippi.

  • FLL

    I’m really not sure about this, but I think that at present, the national guardsmen from these nine states take their orders from the governors of those states. If the president authorized Secretary of Defense Hagel to nationalize the state national guard of those states, I think that the guardsmen would be required to take orders from the president rather than the governor, or face court martial.

  • 2patricius2

    John, do you mean the 1860s or the 1960s? Or maybe both?

  • Steven

    Perhaps a few court martials for refusing to follow orders would clarify the issue for those reluctant Guardsmen.

  • FLL

    The president can authorize the secretary of defense to call up the national guard of any state, which transfers control of the state national guard from the state government to the federal government; in effect, this nationalizes the state national guard. This is a link to the article on History.com about John Kennedy nationalizing the Alabama state national guard when George Wallace, accompanied by Alabama state troopers, stood in the front of the auditorium entrance at the University of Alabama at Tuscaloosa in order to prevent two black students from registering. Here is a short excerpt:

    “When Wallace refused to let the students enter for registration, Katzenbach phoned Kennedy. Kennedy upped the pressure on Wallace, immediately issuing Presidential Proclamation 3542, which ordered the governor to comply, and authorizing the secretary of defense to call up the Alabama National Guard with Executive Order 11111. That afternoon, Katzenbach returned with the students and asked Wallace to step aside. Wallace, knowing he was beaten, relented, having saved face with his hard-line, anti-segregation constituency.”

    Refusing to issue military spouse IDs to same-sex spouses of U.S. service members is not quite as dramatic as physically preventing black students from registering at a state university, but Obama has every right to authorize Hagel to nationalize the state national guard, if it comes to that, just as Kennedy before him did. Yes, this should be interesting.

  • HereinDC

    THIS is why I make no plans to visit or vacation down in the South. Just my little way of boycotting.
    I also handle travel logistics for conferences within my company ie: I choose the destination. The South NEVER gets consideration in my selection.

  • Buford2k11

    Is this a “States rights” issue???…Civil was has never been civil…

  • ComradeRutherford

    With NASCAR, Country ‘music’, and the GOP ascendant for the last 32 years, the South finally did win the Civil War, 150 later.

    So it’s no surprise that the South is simply ignoring their superior in the hierarchy. Being insubordinate (an 4$$hole) is part of the Southern Way of Life. And no one dares make them follow the law.

  • S1AMER

    It is, it really is. And always has been. The southern part of the state was filled with Copperheads during the Civil War. Indiana elected a Klansman governor in the 1920s. Sometimes the industrial northern part of the state cancels out the extreme conservatives elsewhere, but the extremists usually prevail.

    Oh, and don’t forget that the Republicans in the state legislature are still working hard on an anti-marriage equality amendment to the state constitution.

  • lynchie

    Be surprised if Hagel and the Pentagon do anything. The states and their constituents always talk about seceding, but I think we should call their bluff. Cut off all Federal money for states not following the law. Let them secede and see how they do on their own. I am frankly tired of the daily threats from the TP, the politicians and companies who don’t get their own way and decide they want to go elsewhere. Don’t let the big federal door hit you in the ass.

  • S1AMER

    Imagine, just imagine how much could be accomplished if all the energy spent in red states hating on gays were directed to some useful cause!

  • bkmn

    By bringing this challenge to the courts all they are doing is speeding up the day that same-sex marriage is legal in all 50+DC.

  • Indigo

    Indiana. The only Southern state in the North.

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