Militia nut openly calls for Obama’s assassination on Facebook

11/22/13 7:00am by 265

The head of the Christian American Patriots Militia has put out an open call on Facebook for the assassination of President Obama.

“We now have authority to shoot Obama, i.e., to kill him,” writes Everest Wilhelmsen on his personal Facebook page.

Wilhelmsen continues: “His willful violations and alienation of our Constitution, constant disregard for our peaceful protests and corruption of all the three branches of government, (i.e., rogue and illegitiimate government), reveal the dictator that he is…. I would be very surprised, if Obama does not leave Washington DC today (Nov. 19th) …never to return, if he is not dead within the month. ”

Wilhelmsen also has a Facebook page he administers, called Christian American Patriots Militia. The page has 1,389 members.

In addition to simply hating the President, and being convinced that he was born in Kenya and is a Muslim, Wilhelmsen is a supporter of the Tea Party, anti-Obamacare, and very concerned about Benghazi.  Oh, and he’s also apparently a big supporter for the 2nd Amendment.

The threat against the President – or call for him to be assassinated – was posted two days ago, on November 19, 2013. Oddly, it has yet to be taken down.

facebook-assassination-threat-largeWilhelmsen also posted on his blog a “final warning” to the President, Vice President Biden, Secretary of State Kerry, Attorney General Eric Holder, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, and Department of Defense General Counsel Jeh Johnson. In the “final warning,” he threatens violence against each of the men (in all caps, naturally):

THEREFORE, IF EACH ONE OF YOU DOES NOT FORMALLY DECLARE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE (VOTERS) THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, JR. WAS AND IS INELIGIBLE TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, (I.E., ACKNOWLEDGE PUBLICLY THAT HE IS NOW TRESPASSING IN THE OFFICE AND IN OUR WHITE HOUSE, THAT HE IS NOT ONLY UNLAWFULLY RESTRICTING, BUT ELIMINATING ALL OF THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND ABUSING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE), YOU WILL BE FORCIBLY REMOVED FROM ALL OF YOUR DUTIES IN A HARSH MANNER, THAT MAY PUT YOUR VERY LIFE AT RISK — NOT ONLY DURING YOUR ARREST, BUT THEREAFTER. (emphasis added)

In the missive, he adds that “the time is VERY NEAR.”

In another post he implores “patriots” to use “force” again:

American patriots have been provided with the right and the weapons to abolish this rogue and illegitimate (arbitrary) government. This is very clearly provided in the 2nd Amendment of our Constitution (the right to bear arms), which is in fact a right of resistance and also in line with our Declaration of Independence. And this right and duty to abolish this government NOW REQUIRES us to act, not with an election, but with FORCE.

In yet another post, after mentioning his concerns about what the President’s “Muslim co-conspirators did in Benghazi,” Wilhelmsen again calls for force against federal officials:

American patriots, it is time for us to march on the federal government with all our guns loaded (with our fire torches) and arrest federal employees willfully violating our Constitution—all attacking our Republic — and if we are fired upon we must return fire (“fight fire with fire”) – shoot to kill.

His Twitter feed is also a piece of work.

Interestingly, his LinkedIn profile claims that he’s a teacher in the Konstanz area of Germany (though I found a Web site of an American teaching English in Germany with his same, living in Bodensee, Germany). Though there are other signs on the Web that he might live in New Mexico or Alaska.  If he is in Germany, I’m surprised he gets away with this over there – because of their unique history, some European countries, Germany in particular, regulate hate- and more generally extreme- speech much more than we do, or can, here in the US.

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I know he’s only one more, but it scares me when I see things like this on Facebook, when I see nearly 2,000 people supporting this man.  And when I see two days go by without Facebook or WordPress pulling this man’s various accounts.

And what troubles me the most is when I see crazies like this fuel by every Republican conspiracy from Benghazi, to bitherism, to Obamacare, to guns.  Words have consequences, and a number of us have said for a while that while no sane person would listen to conservative hate-talk and pick up a gun, but we’re a bit country, and I’m not worried about the sane ones.  The crazy ones can all too easily get a gun as well.

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  • Badgerite

    Re: Alien and Sedition Acts.
    Thomas Jefferson, the man who penned the ringing declaration of human rights that is the Declaration of Independence, (all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights) also was a slave holder and, indeed, kept some of his own children from Sally Hemmings in slavery. It doesn’t diminish what he said in the Declaration.
    These were deeply flawed men. Reaching for something better than they themselves could achieve. Same with John Adams. When they’re right, they are right. Notwithstanding subsequent wrong actions.
    Thanks for the link. I will check it out.

  • Matt

    And yet Jackson, remember him, made sure to tell the ruffians during his presidency to shut up. Or how about that nice Sedition Act, John Adams had. Look up Jackson’s loving response to the Nullification Crisis. At least Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion actually tried not to kill to many people during that mess. Jackson would have hung them all with extra tight nooses o had them shot instantly. Please look up Washington’s along with the other Founding Father’s response to Shay’s Rebellion [put down by George Lincoln] and then to the Whiskey Rebellion. Shay’s Rebellion is why we have the Constitution in the first place. Washington, THE FOUNDING FATHER, put down the Whiskey Rebellion, himself no less. It proved that government could pass laws and not be subverted. It also proved force cannot subvert the democratic process.

    Lincoln put down the secessionist nitwits who refused to submit to the democratic process. The election of Lincoln no less. Seems familiar…

    They shot up a fort while Lincoln tried to send supplies. The Confederacy failed in large part due to its inability to actually do anything. States in the Confederacy like the Articles of Confederation had more power then the actual government so when it same to enforcing federal laws on conscription, it became a total pain in the ass. States could and would battle the Federal Gov in the Confederacy and won hands down. Shit. States could openly deny manpower and money to the cause. For example, Joseph Brown, Gov of GA, warned of a secret conspiracy by Jefferson Davis to destroy states’ rights and individual liberty. The Draft the “essence of military despotism.” the Governor of Texas, Pendleton Murrah, another example, refused to send soldiers east cause he wanted them to battle Indians and keep them just in case the Federal Troops would attack from Kansas. The Government had no political parties who provided different viewpoints for voters to pick.alternatives. The government of the confed couldn’t control speculation like the one with Cotton so that also helped crush it. We also have the food shortages the Confederate government was under. And yet the government weak and pathetic couldn’t get the allocation of supplies needed. The armed insurrection known as the Civil War ended that notion, but Green Corn Rebellion, Helderburg War and Battle of Red River Canyon to name a few more instances that rebellion in the US was put down.

    a link from someone who discuses this is http://kevinrkosar.com/wordpress/2010/11/11/what-the-tea-party-could-learn-from-the-whiskey-rebellion/

  • Darren Johnson

    That is because you are an ass and a traitor to this nation.

  • Matt

    Your welcome. History is important to learn.

  • Badgerite

    Aren’t you special.

  • Badgerite

    Exactly. Thanks.

  • Matt

    I would state the Well Regulated Militia died out in the War of 1812.

  • Matt

    You forgot the Whiskey Rebellion, Shay’s Rebellion, Green Corn, Helderburg War and Battle of Red River Canyon to name a few more. The Whiskey Rebellion (1791) [Put down by Washington himself] and Shay’s Rebellion (1786) [Put down by Benjamin Lincoln] happened early on in The United States of America. Look at the founding fathers’ reaction to those two to see how they felt.

  • Whooty

    No. It hasn’t been shut down! It’s a closed group. You have to ask to join. They don’t violate facebook’s ridiculous policy. Only having a nickname as your display name does. smh

  • Whooty

    Scum bags like this are allowed to talk openly about killing a president, and call black people the N word, and other nasty racist things. But I’m not allowed to use my nickname on facebook. It goes against their policy. SMH! Try reporting one of these racist groups, and see what they tell you. Sorry!!!

  • Kyler Phoenix

    Until you read what the people who share it say. You can do that by clicking on the link to see who shared it.

  • Fried Chicken

    I pray every day for GOD to strike Obama down

  • Kristinfan413years

    I don’t care who you are. you don’t make threats. you make love. :D

  • Kristinfan413years

    HAHAHA!!!!

  • Kristinfan413years

    you’re just a mindless troll.

  • Kristinfan413years

    conspiracy theorist much?

  • Kristinfan413years

    do you not hear yourself? “right wing leaders like Obama are pointless,” he’s left wing. that dude who made a threat to the President is a Tea Bagger.

  • Kristinfan413years

    how does he still have an account? Facebook sucks!

  • Kristinfan413years

    wtf!?!?

  • ericpearson
  • whofan99

    I checked. The Facebook account has been disabled. Thank god.

  • Yep, surprised I haven’t been banned …

  • Yep – can’t wait for the UN invasion either. It just might happen after we are all under sharia law. Yep – got my tin hat on all ready for it!
    God bless and long live the New World Order! HaHaHa!

  • ComradeRutherford

    Because Zuckerborg is a right-wing radical that financially supports the anti-American right-wing. That is why violence against women is explicitly allowed, but babies breastfeeding is instantly banned, and why anti-American radicals can openly plan to assassinate Democrats, but you are banned for pointing that out.

  • Kristinfan413years

    she should be in jail.

  • infidel1000

    Not to worry. I doubt that reality has come anywhere near this guy since he sat in an ant pile at age two.

  • Skip Patterson

    And you as well enjoy your future status of indentured servant under the Republicans.

  • Skip Patterson

    That’s because these people have no intellectual honesty about them as well as any moral foundation which they can speak from.

  • Kristinfan413years

    that guy still has his Facebook Profile up. how the hell is that possible? I called someone an a-hole that’s it! blocked for 30 days!

  • Terry Fidler: Buh-bye. Don’t let reality hit you in the butt on your way out.

  • mahilena

    hear you loud and clear ….good points

  • janet forrest

    Yeah, when ya got nuthin’ call names. So grown up.

  • Dream on Obot

  • Yahooo thanks mod

  • Consider: Sarah Palin urged the right-wing nut cases to ‘target’ and put in the ‘cross hairs’ liberals and then Gabby Giffords was nearly assassinated. Moose breath was responsible for those killings and wasn’t even interviewed.

  • John Schmitt

    Disagreeing with the President is one thing. I do. BUT threatening the president is a felony. And his other posts only spew racism with no valid argument.

  • ComradeRutherford

    “It is becoming the will of the country.”

    That is nonsense. It is certainly NOT the ‘will of the country.’ It is only the masturbatory fantasy of a few radical anti-American extremists who are afraid because the majority of Americans don’t believe exactly what they do.

  • ComradeRutherford

    Bloodshed is not acceptable to any civilized society. It only is ‘acceptable’ to a tiny, violent minority that can’t get it’s way on the merits of their arguments because they are way too radical for the vast majority.

  • ComradeRutherford

    “Obama is a left wing liberal Democrat.”

    Nonsense. Obama has always been solidly in the Moderate Republican area of the spectrum of US politics. Senators Sanders and Warren are middle-of-the road left-of-center-ists. There is no ‘radical left’ in the numbers that we see on the radical extremist right (Tea Baggers).

    Nothing Obama has done is even remotely ‘liberal’.

  • ComradeRutherford

    Wait, you are saying this guy is NOT an FBI plant created to attract 1389 like-minded anti-Americans?

  • ComradeRutherford

    I am always amazed at the crazy vitriol of people like this and their claims against Democratic Presidents, when the Bush II regime was far, far worse than any Democratic President ever has been. But they all LOVED Bush for brazenly lying in order to start two wars, etc…

  • Brian Frang

    Fair point, though I don’t see the author of the article calling conservatives stupid (at least not in this article, anyways).

  • TaoistCentral

    Don’t be too hard on him for having typos in his post. After all, the article had typos as well.

  • Ryan Alexander Camiré

    Your asshole and mouth-hole have converged to become one in the same.

  • Kristinfan413years

    OMG!

  • Kristinfan413years

    and you wonder why everyone thinks you’re insane!

  • janet forrest

    Seriously? I doubt the President was “opposed” to single payer, he just knew we couldn’t get there all at once.

  • Michael Varian Daly

    Another big mouthed moron. If he was part of a political movement I supported I’d want his dumb ass locked up asap to save us further embarrassment.

  • Bill_Perdue

    You don’t know what you mean because you’re unable to distinguish between rightwingers like Democrats and Republicans and the left, which is socialist. Pity.

    And meaningless. The left is beginning to push back against Democrats and Republicans. “The rain was cold, dripping down her blue poncho, but the newly elected city councilwoman’s words sizzled.

    Surrounded by union workers gathered to support Boeing’s machinists, Kshama Sawant denounced the two-party political system, corporate greed, military contracts and the leaders of the aerospace giant whose name has long been synonymous with Puget Sound.

    “We don’t need the executives!” cried Seattle’s first elected Socialist in living memory, as the damp crowd cheered and rush-hour traffic hummed slowly by. “We need Boeing to be under democratic public ownership by workers — by the community!” http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-c1-seattle-socialist-20131120-dto,0,7140015.htmlstory#axzz2lbhLD2xl

    She beat a Democrat. Sweet.

  • Brian Frang

    Not always. I know a lot of liberals I want to slap upside the head for being overly idealistic, judgemental douchebags, but you’ll find, just like with conservatives, that the more moderate members of the political aisle tend to be much more capable of civil discourse. I just happen to personally think that your crazies are a hell of a lot crazier than our crazies, and our crazies aren’t in control of the whole party, like your crazies are.

  • Brian Frang

    Yes, because committing treason and sedition and openly calling for war against the government (which, by the way, what assassinating the president is) is TOTALLY protected by the First Amendment… Except that it’s not. According to the ruling of Schenck v. United States, the Supreme Court case that established the “clear and present danger” standard, “The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. […] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.” Acts of treason and sedition, and threats against the life of any human being are considered to be a clear and present danger, according to the law. If you REALLY can’t see how this is not protected speech, you are simply an idiot.

  • shhhhhhh! They’re sleeping. :-)

  • FEMA camps are for forced recreation.

  • let’s hope

  • lol!

  • Woo Woo

  • disqus_6AeSbMRBY2

    Quiet down now, child, grown ups are trying to talk here.

  • Out of line Leota—take you meds honey.

  • Bill Perdue is correct in that assumption, based on Obozo’s actions.

  • Where in the world did you get the idea that Obozo is a left wing liberal? He is a right-wing neo-liberal corporatist.

  • disqus_6AeSbMRBY2

    Golly, we WILL miss your insightful commentary…….(snerk.)

  • Promise?

  • nnyl

    I wouldn’t say Obama is right wing, but he sure as heck is not a liberal Democrat or left wing. He is centrist, but that center has moved far to the right over the past few decades. The only people who think he is left are those so far to the right they can’t see the real left.

  • fletcher

    Obama might be doing something right. The Tea Partyers thing he is a dar left-wing socialist and Bill Perdue thinks he is a right-winger.

  • fletcher

    Like you guys (for want of a better term) are examples of civil discussion?

  • Patricia Reedy

    I agree with the spirit of Pallida’s remarks. I must ask everyone, however: please stop confusing criminal behaviors such as assassinations with people who are struggling with mental illnesses. The overwhelming majority of these folks are law-abiding, peaceful people. Use of words like “nuts” or “psychos” will, in my opinion, only serve to further stigmatize and scapegoat people who have nothing to do with this garbage.

  • Patricia Reedy

    Bill Perdue is correct. The American Left – the true Left , mind you – does not contain politicians like Obama. Perdue is also correct when he says that assassination is pointless. Fernandez, it might be a good idea if you allowed for the input of true leftists. The characterization of the ‘left’ by right-wing folks who oppose Obama bears little resemblance with the true left, which does not contain Obama or his ilk.

  • RepubAnon

    President Obama, like many Democrats, is hardly a left-wing liberal. For example, consider Mr. Obama’s position on single-payer health care, and his approval of using “chained CPI” as a stealth way to cut Social Security benefits.

    That said, many on the right call President Obama a far-left, liberal Democrat. These same people consider Republican Senator Mitch McConnell to be dangerously liberal as well. Indeed, they probably consider Rush Limbaugh to be left-of-center. So many people needing 72-hour psych evaluations, so few bed spaces…

  • RepubAnon

    An old H. Bean Piper story (A Planet for Texans) was run that way – shooting a practicing politician was considered a crime only to the extent that the politician “didn’t deserve it”. Isn’t it interesting how so many right-wingers base their policies on works of fantasy, such as Ayn Rand novels? Kind of like Trekkies, but with real guns.

  • Donna in Rome

    Maybe, but I don’t know if it would be necessary to actually “share” it, which actually makes him look as if he has numerous supporters. All you’d have to do is make a screengrab of it (which is what most of the shares of it are).

  • RepubAnon

    Besides, everyone knows that the Libtards and Demon-crats coarsen our otherwise civil political discussions by calling their political opponents insulting names, making wild accusations of broad conspiracies, and (worst of all) failing to unilaterally surrender to all demands by the somewhat left-of-center Tea Party.

    (/snark, just for clarity)

  • Moderator3

    Bye

  • Terry Fidler

    I will leave this site since it is obiously a LIBTARD site, enjoy the FEMA camp.

  • Charlie Ammen

    Great, Bill. You employers at Fox will probably give you a big Holiday…..er, I mean Christmas bonus!

  • John Newsome

    A person calling for the assassination of the U.S. President should not be calling them self a patriot or a Christian, these evil people can not even see the irony of how they think of themselves.

  • Sure, there’s a drastic difference between a right-wing moderate and a crazy psycho with no interest in seeing a functional government… but that doesn’t mitigate the fact that our left-wing politics are mired in the right-wing weeds. Calling Obama liberal is an insult to liberals.

  • Patrick Stager

    YES! Absolutely! Have you actually seen these militia types? They’d break a sweat going up a small flight of stairs, if they’re not too geriatric to walk up them in the first place. Do you really think they pose a legitimate threat to the most powerful political figure in the world? I’m inclined to think not. All articles like this do are give these people a soapbox. It’s not like we need to be convinced that these guys are in the wrong, they do that all themselves.

  • Badgerite

    That was good. 10 points.

  • Badgerite

    I would ignore the occasional down vote.
    “Ya know you can’t please everyone so, you got to please yourself.”
    You get a whole lot more up votes.

  • Badgerite

    Yes, and the Constitutions provides a lot of electoral remedies, if people care to exercise them.

  • Badgerite

    No, it isn’t ‘news’. It is a crime. Threatening anyone’s life is. And threatening the life of the President of the United States most certainly is.
    And of course, he had the ‘good taste’ to do so on November 22nd.

  • Badgerite

    We have elections to determine the ‘will of the country’, thank you.

  • Badgerite

    And over! I begin to think it is a computer program. Doesn’t talk or sound entirely human. Especially when confronted.

  • Bill_Perdue

    And it’s working.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    and over and over and over and over and and ………………..

  • When they denied my report, I used the feedback option on it and gave a detailed explanation. I just got this back from Facebook tonight:

    —-
    We reviewed the photo you reported for containing graphic violence. Since it violated our Community Standards, we removed it. Thanks for your report. We let Everest Wilhelmsen know that his photo has been removed, but not who reported it. Facebook never discloses who submits a report.

    —

    So it took about a week, but they finally did remove it. I guess the heat was on them enough to finally take action.

  • crazymonkeylady

    Oh, yes! That will be a holy shit-storm of Republican Crazy!

  • Bill_Perdue

    So does the left. We say it because it’s true.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Obama is a right winger who ordered the racist and extra legal murders of Anwar al-Aulaqi, Samir Khan, ‘Abd al-Rahman Anwar al-Aulaqi and Jude Mohammed. One was a sixteen year old boy from Denver Colorado.

    Remember their names, who killed them and what it means. Wht it means is that Obama is a rightist. Only the DNC and the RNC pretend that he’s a leftist.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MwB2znBZ1g

  • MACV

    This nonsense is why I hope that Hillary Clinton chooses Elizabeth Warren as her running mate. That aught to result in a complete republican melt-down of Biblical proportions ….

  • James Donnaught

    Takes a tough man to fuck a tender chicken.

  • James Donnaught

    The Feds must love his Facebook page . . . think of the effort involved in tracking down 1,389 right-wing nutbags, without this El Dorado of Derp. Old Everest here is saving them heaps of trouble. Seriously, I think that’s the reason Facebook hasn’t yanked him: he’s so useful, the FBI would have to invent him if he didn’t exist.

  • No, she’s a typical member of the Tea Party.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Oh, you don’t know Bill Perdue. He says things like that over and over and over and over and over and o……..

  • J. Fernandez

    Wow, apparently you’re the one who doesn’t understand. Obama is a left wing liberal Democrat. The guy threatening him is FAR right wing conservative Tea Party Republican. How you don’t see the DRAMATIC difference is beyond me, and probably everyone else who is reading your comments right now and understands it.

  • vickif

    I’ve seen this exact comment by John on other sites also.

  • vickif

    Joe Walsh is not a congressman anymore. Tammy Duckworth beat his butt and I helped to get this lying dead beat dad out of Congress.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Obama is right wing. So is the guy who threatened him. What about that do you not understand.

    Killing Obama would be pointless, illegal and only serve to make things worse. There are provisions in place for succession in the case of assassinations. They change nothing and expose the left to witchhunting.

  • Kyler Phoenix

    What supporters? What do you think should happen? Should these men be ignored? You think that is the intelligent thing to do?

  • Kyler Phoenix

    Share the “truth”.

  • Kyler Phoenix

    None of that makes sense. Are you drunk?

  • Kyler Phoenix

    I think it has now been reported multiple times but it doesn’t hurt to do it again I guess.

  • Kyler Phoenix

    Me too. Many did. Those weren’t 550 likes, they were shares and many did just as you and I did.

  • Kyler Phoenix

    The left? That guy was far right wing.

  • Kyler Phoenix

    FYI…those were shares NOT likes and many of them shared it to report it to the FBI and Secret Service.

  • Rosa Alicea

    OMG, I give up!

  • Rosa Alicea

    Your comment does not surprise me RIC54, given what you watch, listen and follow. Puerto Rico is U.S.A. http://www.puertoricousa.com/ I did not however expect you to know that :)

  • Bill_Perdue

    Threats to kill right wing leaders like Obama are pointless, illegal and only serve to make things worse. There are provisions in place for succession in the case of assassinations. They change nothing and expose the left to witchhunting.

  • terryward

    Oy…this is what comes of allowing infant boys to be born missing a penis.

  • Lawerence Collins

    Vile, demonic, soulless zombie, Rethuglican sheeple! They’re delusional and dangerous! It foes seem odd that the FB. page is still up.

  • This guy is going down!

    Just reported to FBI tip line…

    https://tips.fbi.gov/

  • Yes, some people are just… tools.

    A few years ago we had a case in the news of a couple of brothers who chased deer around on snowmobiles ’till they either dropped from exhaustion or until one of them shot and killed the deer. They found the deer carcasses (out of season, of course) and could see the snowmobile tracks in the snow, and figured out what was going on. They eventually did find the guys responsible and they did wind up getting well-deserved jail time – a year or more, I think.

    Ya wonder what makes people do those kinds of things.

  • Leota2

    The above comment meant for you John.

  • Leota2

    It is the will of teabagging racists, morons and probably something you get hot and hard
    dreaming about.

  • John Richter

    Congressman Joe Walsh told reporters that it might be time to shed blood. Why pick on this guy for his speech, when an elected official says the samething? It is becoming the will of the country.Accept it.

  • Dakotahgeo

    In the 70s, I worked at Control Data’s (no longer in existence) central bldg. in Mpls, MN while one of the prototypes of new armored tanks were on the drawing boards and simulator stages. I was knocked over by the top secret weaponry I saw, and hoped never to see in action. Wow, has this country come a long way! Now we have the new battleship Zumwalt class and their guns can hit within 6-7 inches of the target. And these military extremists groups think they’ve got a leg up? Those legs won’t do them any good in this weaponized age! And then there are the drones that can fire rockets and hit targets miles from the control pilots. OOOOOOkay!!!

  • Dakotahgeo

    I also down-voted him. Wacko nut jobs all over the place in this blog/story.

  • Dakotahgeo

    What galls me to no end as a person growing up on a farm, is the following scenario: Three miles north of our farm was a small stand of trees, and when riding my horse through this small area, I came upon FOUR dead full-sized deer, piled on top of each other, left to rot! Can you imagine how many families those four deer could have, would have fed if they had just been brought in to the local butcher to process and give away, to the needy of that community? This is just one case and I know there are others. I kept inspecting this area 3 or 4 times more, and they were never picked up. Sad, sad, sad case of waste!

  • Dakotahgeo

    They’re gonna find out real soon! I marvel at what the laws allow us to do in the first place. Methinks the day of ‘freedom of speech’ is going to be curtailed very, very soon, and with very good reason. When little children fight with their toys, the toys get taken away, albeit not quickly enough in some cases.

  • Badgerite

    The opinion of Hubert Humphrey, good man that he was, is rarely, if ever, consulted on the intent of the framers to the Constitution.
    And some of the Quotes ( sounds bites) you clearly did not read.
    John Adams, A Defense of the Constitution, for instance:
    “To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, EXCEPT IN PRIVATE SELF DEFENSE, or by partial orders of towns, countries, or districts of a state, IS TO DEMOLISH EVERY CONSTITUTION, AND LAY THE LAWS PROSTRATE, SO THAT LIBERTY CAN BE ENJOYED BY NO MAN; it is a dissolution of government.
    The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.”

    That is a pretty powerful statement. And it rather sums up how the Supreme Court assessed the thoughts and intent of the founders as well in the Heller decision. And I think all the other sound bites about ‘preserving liberty’ and such have to be read with this statement in mind. And the textural references to insurrection that Stratplayer cites.
    And I am pretty sure the Supreme Court ‘consulted’ all of these kinds of sound bites taken from debates and articles as well.

  • Dakotahgeo

    I think we can safely assume that these juvenile jerks are on their way out during the next election cycles. Then they can spend their time licking their wounds and reading the GOP report on why they did so miserably in 2012. There may be hope for them yet as a Party if they don’t totally destroy themselves with T-P leadership by then.

  • Dakotahgeo

    And they couldn’t and can’t stand the fact that he’s not only a person of color, but he’s also extremely intelligent and articulate, AND good-looking. And, sans the extremist conservatives in Congress, he’s gotten a heck of a lot accomplished for the people, in spite of a recalcitrant Republican debacle. Prepare to memorize, “Madame President Clinton or Warren” and a Democrat majority in both Houses in 2014-2016. THEN the naysayers will really have something to cry about, lolol.

  • Dakotahgeo

    Thank you!

  • Dakotahgeo

    Sorry to disappoint you but no conservative here. I am of the opinion that if one wants to be taken seriously on these blogs, they need to get their Ps and Qs together spelling- and grammar-wise. Else, people assume they’re less than intelligent. Jus’ sayin’.

  • Dakotahgeo

    Things like RIC4 never seek help. They usually meet their demise by getting shot to death by law enforcement people and are forgotten about two days later!

  • Dakotahgeo

    (And you can tell how much credence we’re giving you guyz!). Better get used to saying “Madame President Clinton or Warren” and saluting a majority of Democrats in both House and Senate in 2014-2016! Concentrate on that and you won’t have time to be posting on serious blogs.

  • Badgerite

    You do know that the link you gave had a hodge-podge of quotes. Including Hubert Humphrey. And the one to two sentence, out of context quotes that you linked to are hardly ” in excruciating detail” . They are more like ‘sound bites’.

  • Dakotahgeo

    Not only English but GRAMMAR also. And I am anything but conservative, Dolt. President Obama has done more for this country than any past President back to Clinton! (Better start memorizing, “Madame President Clinton or Warren” the next election results! Now go back to your oatmeal and coloring book!

  • Badgerite

    You obviously can’t read. It has never been, is not now, nor will it ever be legal to “abort a child up to 3 years old”. Yes, poor soul, that would be murder and is treated as such by all laws of the United States INCLUDING the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

  • Badgerite

    Everest Wilhelmsen? Or as he is ‘affectionately’ known by all, Dur Furher!

  • mahilena

    Your knowledge of the Constitution is the Confederate Constitution not the US one…
    your freedom slipping away becaause ACA ah? say that when you get cancer…see whose freedom will slip away…the freedom we want is the freedom from the confederate bullsh*t christians that have no idea who Jesus was
    Confederate i.e., Conservative freedom is nothing more than the freedom to die but not the freedom to enjoy liberty and life

  • mahilena

    look in the mirror

  • mahilena

    what did you learn this reply on your conservative handbook??? you are making a fool of yourself

  • mahilena

    you certainly do not appear to be an american that worries about his/her country whatever you are…but perhaps you worry about the confederacy

  • mahilena

    wow an English professor here? typical conservative comment without any ability to debate the real issue

  • mahilena

    it is a group that deserves deonization…the real problem is not Obama is conservative bullsh*t as the one you are expressing

  • mahilena

    only stupid americans would support the BS this whitesupremacist traitor is promoting

  • mahilena

    what truth do you see? the confederate flag on the white house?

  • mahilena

    typical conservative stupidity…

  • mahilena

    how can this be reported on twitter? his handle is ofthehighest

    this is a tweet promoting his facebook page –>https://twitter.com/ofthehighest/status/390168697882431488<— but there is no way I see how Twitter allows a way to report meaning a vehicle to explain why reporting….or how to take them to the quotes above promoting the assassination of Obama …you have to become a member of his closed group in face book and I have no intention of doing that….

  • mahilena

    did you check all the members in his facebook page? are all of those nuts as well? so its not one is plenty of them ….traitors

  • RIC54

    They have you working overtime tonight?

  • RIC54

    Same to you.

  • RIC54

    Right on these blind mice can’t or will not see the truth.

  • RIC54

    Go to the bathroom and you will a have a good laugh after you realize how small it is.

  • RIC54

    You need to take yours off its to tight cutting of your air supply to your little brain.

  • Truly sad. That’s all that needs to be said from here on out. Bye.

  • I have some grade-A aluminum super-flexible sheeting in very thin rolls in which you may be interested.

  • RIC54

    Grow up little boy and stop reading your Saul Alinsky book on life.

  • RIC54

    And you the american want to be worry about your country.

  • RIC54

    .You are not the true American at lest i have nuts and not a follower.Brown nose wash that crap off your nose following your king to close.

  • RIC54

    The joke on you sweet LIPS.The majority ia laughing at u fools.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    It boils down to Obama’s skin color. Those people can’t stand that.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    ” Legal to abort a child up to 3 years old is left up to the parents.”

    Hon, you’ve slipped off your rails. Abortion can only happen before birth. Pregnancy only lasts 9 months. I’m not certain an elephant even has a three year pregnancy. If what you said was true, no child would ever make it through their terrible twos.

  • Dakotahgeo

    I’m not so sure there’s a big difference between Facebook’s and You Tube’s missteps. Both entities can get rather goofy!

  • Dakotahgeo

    “And Facebook? What the hell is going on here? The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that they are keeping the page open at the request of the government so that they can track anyone who is sympathetic to this guy’s misguided cause.”

    I certainly hope so! I don’t fear these kooks but I do have deep feelings for any official government person getting hurt in any way. Someone also mentioned that they didn’t like Bush but they never would have wanted him shot, which would be my stance also. The guy was a “Mission Accomplished” poop!

  • Dakotahgeo

    You never know… they may have fingered this nutcase down to his toenails but they’re now scoping out his neighbors, friends, prostitutes, etc., etc. They’ve got him in their sights.

  • Dakotahgeo

    Heh heh heh… I really never thought about that. Something like the witch’s helpers looking for Sleeping Beauty as a baby after 18+ years. Unfrickin’believable!

  • Dakotahgeo

    Johnny, you’re repeating yourself… be sure and flush twice.

  • Dakotahgeo

    First, you need to learn to type, Sweetcheeks! Then we’ll laugh at your jokes.

  • Dakotahgeo

    I love it! All these crazed midnight jokers!

  • Dakotahgeo

    You’re funny! I needed a giggle and you came through splendidly! Kudos.

  • Dakotahgeo

    Don’t think for one minute that the FBI doesn’t have every bit of info on this weirdo’s life, right down to his blood type. I would love to tail this guy and find out what makes him tick. I certainly wouldn’t want to touch him! Ewwww! These people make my skin crawl, but I have no fear of them! But yes, if he just “happened” to disappear, I have no regrets about it!

  • Caulfieldgirl

    I would say this Facebook page is a sting operation by the Secret Service, FBI, CIA, NSA or Obama’s office to catch some nuts. They have been looking for some radical connected to the tea-party for years. If this was real it would not be up for more than minutes. I have personally seen pages that have said the words “God Bless America” be taken down immediately. So this is not real and the article and author was probably with the DNC. Typical LIBERAL BACK STAB………..

  • Patrick Stager

    Good job giving him the attention he clearly desires. You think 2,000 supporters is a big number? I bet it’ll go up nicely thanks to this article.

  • Ha! The slap the word “tactical” on it and charge a third more for doing the same thing!

    Oh, and it has to be painted matte black or camo.

  • SL Abrin

    Dear Teabaggers, Libertarians, Dominionists, & other malcontents,

    I am anxiously awaiting your assault on the federal government. My advice would be to look skyward. No, not to aid from a god, rather for the drones that will snuff you out like tea lights in a hurricane.

  • feloniousgrammar

    Hmm. Making death threats against the President is a crime, but I’m not sure that a charge of Sedition is appropriate here. All these wingnuts are engaged in Seditious Libel, but that’s not really against the law in the U.S.

  • The FBI is not known for it’s competence: 9/11.

  • One has to admit that there are justifications for aborting a fetus that’s three years old.

  • feloniousgrammar

    It’s called “stochastic terrorism”— http://stochasticterrorism.blogspot.com/

  • Oh please. We read a better piece in the Onion.

  • feloniousgrammar

    My best friend bought a flashlight for every reason other than the name, because he figured that the only thing a “tactical flashlight” would do is shine light in dark spaces, which is what all the flashlights do.

  • Vegas Dave

    The Comments are almost as stupid as the hater. Funny how the Tea Baggers talk about how the President is violating the constitution, but never give details beyond “Kenya.” If communist/socialist Obama actually lived up to the negative hype, please explain the lowest tax rates in decades, a deficit falling faster and greater then any prior president, and a Dow Jones hitting 16,000. Some socialist!

    And how about the comment from poster “John” who writes…” Check out what is in the ACA bill under abortion. Legal to abort a child up to 3 years old is left up to the parents. More like murder I
    think!!!! :-( Something need to be done!”

    What an idiot. Abort a child up to 3 years old? More like what a fucking moron.

  • feloniousgrammar

    Yeah. The idea that the founders intended for the 2nd Amendment to be used to overthrow a democratically elected government is ridiculous.

  • Rosa Alicea

    I copied and pasted on the agencies website. The entire post. But, don’t know if they’re doing anything about it.

  • Sure fits the description, doesn’t it?

  • Rosa Alicea

    That’s not a very intelligent comment. The lunatic is demonizing himself, all they did here was to re-post what HE WROTE. Hey, tell the crazy man not to demonize a “certain group of people” by such writings. The end.

  • So it’s not news, it’s normal?

    If you really think that way, you must be a sympathizer. If you’re a sympathizer, you’re not a true American. Real Americans don’t want to murder the President, even if they don’t agree with that President.

    You are a nut case. Go get help.

  • RIC54

    This is not news it being reported to demonize a certain group off people and to distract the hseeple from the real problem Obama.

  • Rosa Alicea

    Stop listening to Palin, Cuban Cruz, Bachman and especially FAUX News. Boy are you misinformed! Scary!!!

  • Rosa Alicea

    Not stupid at all. That lunatic has threatened to assassinate the President of the United States Of America! Get it?

  • Rosa Alicea

    Go to the page. Is not propaganda. I for one reported it to every agency I could think of and, I’m a simple housewife in Puerto Rico!!!

  • Ramon Nieves

    And this guy is not an jail, why?

  • swpubl

    Your post is just plain stupid.

  • swpubl

    Why yes, he is Muslim and he is sending out the black helicopters to gather all the birthers and take them to the Muslim work camps in Kenya. Beware and gawdspeed. Pull your tin foil hats down tight to protect you from his copters. Best take the constitution with you to the work camps so you can start your own country over there. Don’t let the door hit ya in the ass.

  • TKO

    Did you ever think about how deeply Bush stuck his hand in YOUR pocket to finance his wars? How far into your bedroom he stuck his nose with HIS Patriot Act? How much of YOUR money the banking industry stole because of his deregulation? Wake up, “patriot”!

  • Hahaha… holy crap, okay, so we’ll count the mind meld with Michele Bachmann as successful.

    Seek help.

  • RIC54

    This article belongs in the toilet and flushed it stinks off propaganda.

  • pappyvet

    I feel sorry for you John. Very sorry that you have become so twisted and hate filled.

    We all buy things that some may not want or feel they need. Just one small example would be auto insurance.

    As for the U.N. “The U.N. is coming for your guns.” There’s just one problem with this narrative: it’s totally made up. A lie to it’s core.

    The Obama Administration required language in the initial 2009 General Assembly resolution acknowledging “national constitutional protections on private ownership, exclusively within their territory.”

    The Supreme Court has held that individual gun ownership is constitutionally protected, and international law cannot override the Constitution, the U.N. could not take American guns even if the Administration and Senate wanted it to.

  • BillFromDover

    And I believe that you have been Poed.

  • JayM

    Are you serious?! That is ridiculous! The ACA bill does not make it legal to “abort” a child after its (he or she) been born and live “up to 3 years old” and ‘left up to the parents.” it would be murder, yes, as it always has been and will. You can’t ‘abort’ a child while outside the womb. anyway. “Abortion” has not changed meaning. sheesh

  • ElBucho

    You, sir, need psychiatric help

  • Yeah, I don’t have too much problem with responsible hunters. Being as I eat meat, I can’t bitch about how they procure the meat – after all, mine likely comes from a nasty farm. It would be hypocritical of me to criticize them if they’re responsible hunters.

    And quite frankly, deer, as much as we like to think of them as being beautiful, are really stupid. This time of year, you have to drive with special vigilance as they love to dart out in front of your car. Hitting one can at least be costly, at most, deadly, and the animal will suffer a lot in the process. That’s not to say I would go out of my way to kill them (or any other animal, I am not a hunter). I’m just a bit ambivalent about other people doing so. I just hope that the animal doesn’t suffer when it is killed for food (trophy killing bothers me greatly).

    What bothers me is that a lot of the guys who do hunt adopt the politics of the right wing (though not all of them), and are supporters of the NRA. It’s a cultural thing that I don’t embrace and don’t understand. Carrying weapons and hunting accessories that are marketed as “tactical” does nothing for my testosterone level.

  • JayM

    Also at the time there were only 13 states, not the 50 we have today. The populations now in those original 13 states. former colonies, have a much larger popluation and a natuional guard which serves as the state militias.in each of the 50 stetes- in addition to the national armed forces

  • Badgerite

    I probably shouldn’t say, but I always root for the deer. Even though I know that it is a necessary culling of the herd and all. But, of course, I get my food from the store, so—–. I might feel different if I actually had to get it myself.

  • John

    Our Freedom is slowly (very fast) slipping away from the acts of Obama! Forced to purchase something we don’t want. Next is trying to take our guns as John Kerry signed the agreement with the UN as been done before for the UN to have control of all guns in America. :-( We must stand up and fight as we did many years ago. That is the reason for the Constitution we have today as the same thing happen in England. Want to loose your freedom, and be forced to become a muslim. Check out what is in the ACA bill under abortion. Legal to abort a child up to 3 years old is left up to the parents. More like murder I think!!!! :-( Something need to be done!

  • mthomas68

    Folks, there is a thing called ‘sedition’ and this web posting or raving clearly reads like sedition to me. Sedition is incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority. Wow, it may be that the entire Tea Party is guilty of this charge.

  • Tomorrow, gun deer hunting season opens in Wisconsin. That might explain a lack of gun enthusiasts here. This means that a lot of them are getting ready to empty their magazines, and can’t be bothered to show up here.

  • JayM

    I reported it too, but because the image is there, they don’t seem to look at the words he posted, it’s just an image being reported. There’s no other option to report his words. Because the see an image only not the type. Even if you go to the top of his page to report content on his timeline, and tells you to go to the comment, and there it is, just the image to report. Sigh

  • Carmen

    I’ve been reporting this all day and they won’t do anything.

  • Badgerite

    I think the Supreme Court probably looked exhaustively at all the writings of the time and came to the conclusion that the Second Amendment bestowed a right of self defense, not a right of insurrection. The Constitution itself provides ample means of redress for any dispute even with the Constitution itself through the amendment process. It nowhere bestows the right of insurrection probably because there are so many means to gather support to redress LEGITIMATE grievances in the legislative process through the other rights retained.
    And by legitimate, I do not mean that the president is a ‘secret Muslim’. Or the right to terrorize some ladies having lunch. I mean some concrete issue that the country has debated and developed a consensus about.

  • perljammer

    Yes, there will always be unreasonable people, as well as downright criminally insane ones. I think most people would agree that the Founders were fairly optimistic in their hopes for an informed and engaged electorate. On the other hand, judging from the restrictions they placed on government, I think they had a pretty good idea of how greedy and self-serving politicians could be.

  • Badgerite

    They would have to peel off part of the military establishment to succeed. Other than that, the result would more likely to martial law in the area or areas affected. See Boston Marathon Bombing. Like that.

  • Badgerite

    I didn’t mean you.

  • Badgerite

    I know. So unlike them. Usually they are ready to pounce.

  • perljammer

    No, I’m not a gun nut. I had a .22 rifle when I was a kid, but I grew out of it.

  • Bill Reynolds

    “Right Wing Watch” is alive and well on Facebook.

  • SteveZStein
  • Bill Reynolds

    Thank goodness these bigots are all cowards.

  • pszymeczek

    And the “Well-Regulated Militia” was defined by the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1863, which have now been superseded by the Militia Act of 1903.

  • estamm

    There is no possible way that these morons could hate Obama more than I hated Bush. No way. But I never wanted to see Bush assassinated. We’ve had enough of those in this country already. The one 50 years ago was heartbreaking enough.

  • Whitewitch

    Well said Badgerite! Thanks!

  • Rosa Alicea

    It bothers me even more that it has been reported to, the FBI and Secret Service and, the man was still posting today. They should have knocked his door down already. Geez….amazed….

  • Whitewitch

    Actually I have…Perl is not the gun nut lobby and raises valid points…when the gun nuts arrive you will know it! They must have today off.

  • war_blur

    you’re not alone. many of us had the same result.

  • war_blur

    good job putting this up. I sent all this to the SS and the FBI, yesterday.

  • Badgerite

    Yes, but defining tyranny as ‘anything I don’t agree with’ is not really a safeguard against tyranny. It is a prescription FOR tyranny. I would caution against ‘excerpts’ as opposed to reading whole tracts. For instance that Alexander Hamilton quote specifically says that power is more entrenched and harder to deal with in the states than it is in the federal government. That was the real point of the quote.
    And we did ;have an armed insurrection once. It was called the Civil War. And it was in defense of their ‘freedom’ to engage in human bondage. So—–
    No down vote though.

  • Badgerite

    You obviously haven’t had a ‘conversation’ with the gun nut lobby yet. They take no prisoners.

  • Monoceros Forth

    It should be added that the Civil War rapidly put an end to the notion that a decentralized system of state militias were sufficient for a large-scale defense of the country.

  • Don’t hold your breath dear WW. I smell them coming.

  • They prefer it nice and tight, like murdering interviewees in their homes and then investigating themselves for no blame conclusions.

  • Thanks for doing the hard work on this. I’ve already sent links on this nut and his group the SPLC on Facebook so he’ll get listed and tracked.

  • Badgerite

    Yes, please. That description is actually being too kind to them, I think.

  • Badgerite

    I sure as hell hope so.

  • Badgerite

    And there you have it. This is why we ‘can’t have nice things’. Like reasonable gun laws. These people don’t want guns for legitimate purposes and the NRA caters to them. They want guns like the Bushmaster AR-15 semi-automatic precisely because their aims are NOT legitimate aims in a free society. It is the ‘free’ part they object to. This is what my government protects me from. People like that.

  • Whitewitch

    Generally perl…I find you to be pretty reasonable and level headed…so if you have one small odd vent in your nature – I think that is good. Enjoyed your post very much actually.

    P.S. Now that the government now has drones and such – bearing arms might not save us.

  • perljammer

    You’re right about that, in general. I never really know what to expect, to tell the truth. For example, I actually laughed out loud when I read Drew2u’s comment above, “Obamacare should be able to help him with his mental illness.” But somebody downvoted that one.

  • pappyvet

    ” Words have consequences, and a number of us have said for a while that while no sane person would listen to conservative hate-talk and pick up a gun, but we’re a bit country, and I’m not worried about the sane ones. The crazy ones can all too easily get a gun as well.” Absolutely goddamn right John. And I am not convinced that the “sane” ones are not hoping for a crazy one to do something.
    The membership in hate groups since the President was first sworn in has grown at an alarming rate as the propaganda arm of the rightwing spew forth not just half truth but out and out violent rhetoric. I have quoted some of it here myself. So what is the purpose if not an attempt to incite? What response to it do they expect?

  • pappyvet

    There was a fever over the land. A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger. We had a democracy, yes, but it was torn by elements within. Above all, there was fear. Fear of today, fear of tomorrow, fear of our neighbors, and fear of ourselves. Only when you understand that – can you understand what Hitler meant to us. Because he said to us: ‘Lift your heads! Be proud to be German! There are devils among us. Communists, Liberals, Jews, Gypsies! Once these devils will be destroyed, your misery will be destroyed.’ It was the old, old story of the sacrificial lamb. What about those of us who knew better? We who knew the words were lies, and worse than lies? Why did we sit silent? Why did we take part? Because we loved our country! What difference does it make if a few political extremists lose their rights? What difference does it make if a few racial minorities lose their rights? Ernst Janning Judgment at Nuremberg

    A country isn’t a rock. It’s not an extension of one’s self. It’s what it stands for. It’s what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! Before the people of the world, let it now be noted that here, in our decision, this is what we stand for: Justice, truth, and the value of a single human being.
    Judge Dan Haywood Judgment at Nuremberg

  • Apparently FB doesn’t know the meaning of ‘incite to riot and violence’ and ‘threats of assassination against government employees and elected officials.’

  • As soon as he’s implanted with his RFID ‘Mark of the Beast’ chip, he’ll be right as rain.

  • NJOsprey

    Is that what the FEMA camps are for?

  • Um, yeah. No doubt whatsoever, as far as I’m concerned.

  • Henry Owen

    Methinks he may have a visitation from the Secret Service shortly (if he hasn’t already).

  • cole3244

    the reason the right have become so extreme is there are no punitive consequences to their actions, if there were they would think twice about some of their rhetoric and activities.
    if they aren’t reined in no telling how violent and aggressive they might become.

  • To put it succinctly, while the framers surely believed in the power of an armed and aroused citizenry to bring democracy to a despotism, they also clearly understood that it could just as easily bring despotism to a democracy.

  • Whitewitch

    Two hours and no down votes….guess if you are reasonable in what you state and actually engage in conversation – the rational don’t down vote – just engage.

  • Monoceros Forth

    Back during Pres. Obama’s first term I wondered aloud what would happen when the end of 2012 rolled around and Obama still hadn’t gotten around to all that stuff he was going to do after his election–you know, seize everyone’s guns, persecute Christians, make Islam the official state religion, all that stuff. I guess we have our answer now: the same people who were claiming he was going to do all those things (not yet but just you wait!) have now adopted the admirably economical policy of claiming that he’s already done them.

  • Terry Cooper

    I live in an area that is right wing, and I know people who are TP(proud patriots)..lol…Not a day goes by that I don’t see a post from one of them concerning impeachment of somebody, something about Benghazi , or their 2nd Amendment rights being threatened, oh and God. Without exception, they are avid(rabid) fans of Fox news, and various extreme right wing websites. Frankly, I have come to the conclusion that it’s these very cluster f types who need to be totally disarmed , and in many cases incarcerated . There is definitely a call to sedition going on from the likes of Fox and the others you mentioned, Heartland. They totally fail to see who the real enemies are, starting first with themselves for willingly allowing themselves to be brainwashed by the likes of Beck and Limbaugh.

  • The bitcoin libertarians are out to kill too! Anyone think it is a coincidence? The bitcoin agenda looks almost identical to the Ron Paul John Birch type agenda. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/underworld-exploitation-of-bitcoin-assassination-market-website-raising-the-online-virtual-currency-to-hire-assassins-that-target-key-us-figures-revealed-8950148.html

  • All well and good, but you cannot deny that as much as they might have believed in the importance of armed rebellion as a means of resisting despotism, they were also deeply concerned about having the means to contain those violent impulses when they posed a threat to the democratic republic they had so recently fought and bled for. History shows us that more often than not, successful violent uprisings do not lead to a great flowering of liberty and democracy.

  • perljammer

    You might want to read up on asymmetric warfare.

  • perljammer

    Thanks for the saf.org link. It’s an interesting read, to say the least. Of particular interest to me was this: “Madison’s
    language [in the 2nd Amendment] does not so much grant a right as acknowledge that one exists and protect that right, whatever it may
    be, from being infringed by the federal government.”

    Whatever you may think about “extratextual” writings of the time, the Federalist Papers were the vehicle by which the drafters of the Constitution explained in excruciating detail, the basis for what they were doing.

  • ArthurH

    Actually the NRA (back when it was the National Rifle Association) favored gun control back in the 1960s when they worried about groups like the Black Panthers arming and threatening rebellion. But once they thought their side had the firepower and with the election of a president of African and Irish ancestry, the group morphed into the Neurotic Right-Wing A**holes where even suggesting that people take a short course on how to safely use a gun before you can pack heat on the street is considered treason. Wilhelmsen is part and parcel of this new reality where if you can’t win at the ballot box, become an assassin and an anarchist. Maybe it is time that we stand up to these bullies.

  • cgbarton4

    The Constitution was written when this country had no standing army. The Continental Army that won our independence was disbanded after the victory. The founding fathers did not want a permanent military–the people (read: males) were to stand ready to re-form into an army when needed. That’s why they were to have guns. But, we have an army now–a really big army–with really big weapons. What chance any group of civilians against those tanks, aircraft, bazooka, bombs and the rest? Stockpile all the guns you want. Fill the spare bedroom. Build a bunker. No gonna do jack all against rockets red glare..

  • Yes, facts can be a bitch. There is also plenty of extratextual support for the argument that the primary purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that the federal government could not unilaterally disarm Southern state militias as a backhand means of undermining slavery. Southern militias were considered essential for containing the ever-present threat of violent slave uprisings. http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm

    The fact remains that the power and means to suppress insurrection found its way into express Constitutional language, while words of encouragement and facilitation of armed rebellion are nowhere to be found. Why do you suppose that is? It is a fact that the 1792 Militia Acts were enacted by our Founding Fathers in order to put down citizen uprisings, and George Washington himself rode at the head of a force dispatched to crush the Whiskey Rebellion two years later. Having successfully launched a violent rebellion against an existing government, they were all too aware of the potential threat to democratic order posed by citizens taking up arms and shooting people whenever they didn’t get their way. It is one thing to fight a war to overthrow a despotic king; it is quite another to do the same to overthrow your fellow citizens who happen to outvote you in a democratic republic.

    Nice touch with the sighs of condescension.

  • Just an elbow

    Funny, none of the take aways I got from this article included “let’s respond in kind”….

  • Wherever he is, this man should expect a visit from a number of conservatively-dressed people driving black SUVs soon.

    One can’t help but take note of the name of his “organization”. He’s got the trifecta in its name – “Christian” “American Patriots” and “Militia” are all in there.

    One can be tempted to say that he probably doesn’t have the gumption to carry out the “mission” he is promoting, he’s merely trying to incite someone else to do it. But then we have to remember that there was Timothy Mc Veigh, and a whole host of other militia groups who’ve been busted for similar conspiracies. Ah yes, Extreme Christians. Spreading hatred and violence since the beginning.

    And Facebook? What the hell is going on here? The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that they are keeping the page open at the request of the government so that they can track anyone who is sympathetic to this guy’s misguided cause. But in light of their stupidity regarding PFAW and RWW, perhaps I am giving them too much credit.

  • I reported that post a few days ago and got back the ‘we don’t find it violates our community standards” BS from Facebook. I’m half tempted to do a test, posting a picture of FB headquarters and under it writing “We now have the authority to shoot Mark Zuckerberg, i.e. to kill him for his willful acts of treason against our country by providing voice to those wishing and justifying the assassination of the President of the United States”. How fast do you think Facebook will suspend me?

  • perljammer

    I know I will be downvoted for this, but here we go anyway. Facts can be a bitch.

    The various writings of the Founding Fathers around the time of the Constitutional Convention are replete with references to the language of the second Amendment and its meaning. They repeatedly note that the United States was unique among nations in recognizing the rights of its citizens to keep and bear arms. There are many references to the importance of the citizenry’s ability to defend against the tyranny of their government. See, for example, Federalist Papers, numbers 26, 29, and 46. Some choice quotes from the Founding Fathers can be found here: http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/arms.html

    Moving ahead in time, we have this quote from Hubert H. Humphrey in 1959: “Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms…. The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible.”

  • Jonas Grumby

    Well. I’m sure the Secret Service needed something to do today.

  • cole3244

    you know if the left started using violence like the right do i bet the rw ass bags who threaten at the drop of a hat would be more timid in their talk because we all know they really are chicken hawks when confronted with equal aggression.
    also i can prove the left don’t act similarly to those they disagree with, how can i do this, simple, rush limbaugh is alive, if there was a person on the left talking like him they would have been assassinated long ago i guarantee it.

  • iamlegion

    Agreed. This definitely crosses the line into an active threat the Secret Service should be interested in. I hope this jackass enjoys his time in prison.

  • Drew2u

    Obamacare should be able to help him with his mental illness.

  • brian whittle

    If I made a list of people you country would be better if they got shot in the head, they would all be republicans, probably with Scalia at the top, that dudes a menace.

  • TampaZeke

    There seems to be a significant portion of the right wing for whom the constitution, in its entirety, is the second amendment; and the first (but only as it applies to THEM).

  • Apparently Facebook does not know the meaning of ‘fighting words”. While the First Amendment requires that government has an interest in prohibiting free speech, the only use this rant has is for parody.

  • MyrddinWilt

    Don’t bother. The correct place to report this is the Secret Service

    http://www.secretservice.gov/contact.shtml

    Under federal law they are obliged to investigate every report.

    While the threat is couched in language that the author obviously thinks makes it legal, there are several hundred people in jail right now for similar threats. What matters is the intent and whether a reasonable person would interpret it as a threat or incitement.

    This is a BFD as Biden would say. If I was running the case I would dispatch agents to Facebook HQ and have them demand to see Zuckerberg in person, immediately. I have worked with those people.

  • The “insurrectionary theory” of the 2nd Amendment has got to be the most pernicious pile of bullshit Constitutional exegesis ever conceived. The term “insurrection” appears 4 times in the Constitution, twice in reference to Congress’s power to call out the militia to suppress said insurrections, once in reference to a ban on anyone who has engaged in insurrection from holding public office and once in reference to the prohibition against public payment of any debts incurred in aid of rebellion or insurrection. It appears exactly zero times in the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment does mention the term “militia,” and the militia, of course, is what Congress, pursuant to its express Constitutional authority, can call out to suppress insurrections. The framers were very clearly concerned about the threat of insurrection and made damn sure the Constitution gave the government the power to crush rebellion decisively. The notion that they simultaneously wanted to encourage and facilitate that which they obviously feared so much is absurd.

  • climate3

    John, you wanna hear something funny and pathetic at the same time? I reported him and his page to Facebook. Facebook allowed them both to stay on.

  • chrislib

    Some christian, some patriot. Good thing FB shut down Right Wing Watch, eh?

  • Indigo

    How does our ever vigilant NSA-CIA-Pentagon-SS Coalition not know this and arrest this man?

  • HeartlandLiberal

    I checked his Facebook page just now, the post is still up.

    Here is a very useful URL: http://www.secretservice.gov/contact.shtml

    Please, everyone reading this, report this batsh*t crazy f*cker to the Secret Service with these screen snaps.

    I don’t know what is more disturbing. His insane rantings, or those who so quickly agree with him. There is a total disconnect between reality and the insane fevered imaginations embodied in the ravings of these idiots.

    And by the way, I lay the blame completely at the feet of the GOP, the Koch Brothers, and all rightwing disinformation machinery.

  • lynchie

    Just put him in jail. Enough already of allowing these racist christian bigots from having a forum to spout their hatred.

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