GOP health care plan: “If you like not having a doctor, you get to keep not having a doctor – period.”

Jon Stewart weighs in on the latest GOP/Fox News lies about health care reform, aka the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare.

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“If you like not having a doctor, you get to keep not having a doctor – period.”


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57 Responses to “GOP health care plan: “If you like not having a doctor, you get to keep not having a doctor – period.””

  1. ArrogantPresident says:

    “Sieg Heil, mein Führer!” or is Comrades…
    Suggest you go and reread “Animal Farm”.

  2. BilodeauME says:

    Everything about the ACA that sucks were originally conservative think tank ideas that watered down the bill and it didn’t get one Republican vote anyway. Of course blue-dog and corporate stooge Dems were happy to go along for the ride. Medicare for all had all the infrastructure in place and a better cost model over the private system.

  3. Naja pallida says:

    Of course it doesn’t, but that’s not what he said. If the ACA is successful in doing what it presumably intends to do, and gets everyone into the private insurance market, it will be a proof of a point. That they could theoretically eliminate Medicare, and even Medicaid, and push people off to the same arrangement the ACA sets up. With entirely privatized plans, and subsidies for those who need them. Which is far more likely than the the reverse happening, and the ACA magically becoming some kind of single payer system. Both parties currently in power share the same interest in chipping away at our social programs, no matter how well they work. With the ultimate goal of eventually replacing them with more expensive and more convoluted privatized programs.

  4. BilodeauME says:

    Nothing about the ACA replaces Medicare with private insurance.

  5. johnbonanno says:

    What a fool I was when I
    thought national healthcare would logically be set up to roll everyone
    into Medicare and really save money and simplify the system. It turns
    out it was set up to roll everyone into some blood sucking profit making
    company and complicate the system even more than it is. In fact it looks to me like the ACA was
    set up to end Medicare as the participants in the ACA get older and are forced to keep their health insurance policies so that the private empires of insurance can march onward. The best I can say about Obamacare is it’s better than nothing.

  6. ArthurH says:

    See what happens when you live in a state where they have the lowest spending per school pupil in the U.S.? Probably can’t even read an eye chart. Let this be a lesson to everyone.

  7. karmanot says:

    It’s never to early for a JD my dear…..:-)

  8. karmanot says:

    Bingo!! Sibelius is most successful at being a parody of herself.

  9. karmanot says:

    I would suggest not twerking on your car seat until you get to CA. NM is burning sniffers like you right now.

  10. karmanot says:

    Yep, GOP/T’Pers believe everybody has the Constitutional right to be their own death panel.

  11. BeccaM says:

    What? No Hitler? Slacker.

    You also need to hold down that question mark (?) key longer. And add some extraneous exclamation points (!) for emphasis. And why did you wait until the last word to turn on your monster-shouting CAPS LOCK key?

    The lack of these demonstrate a total lack of conviction and seriousness on your part and fails to convey the incoherent, history-ignorant, spittle-flecked rage you’re desperate to share with everyone here.

    p.s. As a New Mexico resident, on behalf of everyone living here, we’d like to ask you to stay in Texas. Lobby for secession, if that makes you feel better. Thanks very much.

  12. Naja pallida says:

    And we laugh at the mayor of Toronto for smoking crack, but we have a whole segment of the electorate that are apparently huffing something much worse… case in point.

  13. Naja pallida says:

    You can’t handle the TRUH!

  14. LanceThruster says:

    DMD! (Die, M-effers, Die!)

  15. Ford Prefect says:

    Thought so. Thanks!

  16. Houndentenor says:

    Republicans don’t care what happens to people who can’t afford or can’t get (due to pre-existing conditions). They never did, but in the past they could at least manage to pretend to. No longer. That’s how far things have gone in our country. People now openly demonstrate their Ayn Rand-derived sociopathic world view and get applauded for it.

  17. Ford Prefect says:

    Given the way the administration treats most women in their employ, I expect her to fall on her sword at some point. Still, she’s only doing what she’s told. I doubt she came up with that “interpretation” all on her own, as I’m guessing she might see that as a particularly risky thing for her to do. Nor, methinks, will it help in terms of Obama’s or PPACA’s image. Obama is almost polling in Bushian territory, regardless of Sebelius Maximus.

    Perhaps the one bright spot in all this is the fact the Neo-Liberal “reform” isn’t going to work and won’t be sustainable as a result. That means it’s already time to start pushing for Single Payer while Obamacare further inflames the polity with its open corruption, ineptitude and de facto segregation of healthcare based on one’s socio-economic status (SES).

    There’s no point in waiting for Obamacare to fail. It’s already failing and it’s not even fully implemented yet. Stick a fork in it… Why not give it a wee shove into the circular file ASAP and start making a real demand of power?

  18. kissmyarss says:

    What do Stalin, Lenin and Obama have in common????????? EVERYTHING!

  19. kissmyarss says:

    I live in Texas for now but I plan to crawl across the border, hoof it across New Mexico, fend my way across Arizona and get to California. I will claim to be a Mexican, call Nancy Polisi’s office, get food stamps, free housing, free Osamacare and a free cell phone. I will never have to work again if I promise to vote for the damocraps. Not a problem..I’ll do it in a heart beat..better than having to work. The only question I have for Nancy and her boyfriends is, do I get free cable TV and pizza with that?

  20. Zorba says:

    I suppose any little crumb that falls from the table is better than nothing. But not by much. I, too, do not expect any replacement to be any better.
    In fact, if the replacement is smarter than she is, he/she may be even more dangerous.

  21. Zorba says:

    Ain’t it the truth?

  22. ezpz says:

    In the beginning, the administration emphatically said it was not a tax.
    Then SCOTUS upheld it on the premise that it WAS a tax.

    While the fines may be collected by the IRS, the funds just get funneled right to the insurance industry. A tax is usually something used for the public good, and not for the purpose of adding to the already obscene profits of a rapacious private industry.

  23. Ford Prefect says:

    It’s Five O’Clock somewhere.

  24. Ford Prefect says:

    Well, they have to maintain the appearance of political competition without actually competing. Pick any valid issue and there’s dozens of valid critiques one can make, but you won’t see the GOP using them because the last thing they’re interested in is serving the national or public interests. So instead they distract, muddy the waters and otherwise contribute to a broader insanity.

    They can’t really attack PPACA, since it was theirs in the first place and they really support it in private. In the end, the medical-industrial complex will pay them handsomely to STFU.

    Within the incestuous environs of DC, both parties help each other with this phony competition. Both talk trash and bullshit. Both make bad policy. Both are corrupt to the bone. And without all their BS, people would see them for what they are. Instead, the party loyalists of both camps are thoroughly deluded and only care about what the other party is saying so they can bray about it. The GOP calls the right fascist Obama a “socialist” and BAM!, Democrats think he’s some kind of cool dude. They like anything the GOP attacks. It makes no difference why or how they attack. It only matters that they do.

    So no one owes the GOP more than Barack Obama. That’s why he always bends over backwards to help them remain relevant, no matter how insane they are. They are his bestest friends in the whole world!

  25. Zorba says:

    This has been happening with both parties for a hell of a long time.
    Just to give two examples among many, look at the Citizens United decision of the Supreme Court (2010), where they allowed corporations to throw all kinds of money into elections, and the more recent (this year) Supreme Court invalidation of the Voting Rights Act.
    The President, Congress, the Supreme Court. All three branches of our government are engaged in advancing and entrenching the interests of corporations, the rich, and the powerful. Screw the majority of the American people.
    {{Sigh}}. Is it too early to pour myself a Jack Daniels on the rocks?
    :-(

  26. Naja pallida says:

    I’m hoping what they’re doing is forcing her to fall on her sword for the ACA, and have her resign soon and take the blame with her. Not that I would expect her replacement to be any better, Obama is a pitiful judge of cabinet character… but still, seeing her sloughed off this leprotic administration would bring a slight upturn to my lip.

  27. Ford Prefect says:

    Yeah, it’s bad enough the IRS thinks the NFL and it’s various enterprises are “non-profits.” Taking money is first nature for them. It’s bad Karma, but so are a lot of other things that occur in the NFL. Now if Miami doesn’t suffer horribly for their Karmic atrocities, then I don’t know what to say. But I digress.

  28. Naja pallida says:

    That’s one of the things I simply don’t understand about the current Republican party. There are countless perfectly valid things to complain about with Obama’s policies, as well as with the Affordable Care Act. They instead choose to throw any and all credibility out the window and lie… and not even good lies, pathetically unimaginative ones. As if the truth simply isn’t disgusting enough for them.

  29. ezpz says:

    Even more disturbing is that this president and the dems continue to tell blatant lies, and the bots not only believe, but they defend the indefensible.

    See Nicho’s comment below (above?) with that link to a must read article:

    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19692-obamacare-the-biggest-insurance-scam-in-history

  30. ezpz says:

    I know. You’re right. It’s just that I was very disappointed that they would accept money (as if they need it) to promote something that they’ll never have to worry about.

  31. Ford Prefect says:

    Sure. That and losing a large portion of your aging starters after winning the Superbowl. I’m sure that’s a contributing factor as well.

  32. ezpz says:

    Very disappointed if Jon is taking part in this.
    I know my (formerly) beloved Ravens have agreed to accept money to promote this scam.

    Maybe it’s Karma that they’re not doing very well so far.

  33. Ford Prefect says:

    It’s intriguing that they can institutionalize corruption–in broad daylight– on the basis of an “interpretation” of the law. Damn it if that isn’t handy!

  34. ezpz says:

    I recently heard someone on the tv say it very well (paraphrased):

    Obamacare was supposed to insure the uninsured and uninsure the insured

    I would love to attribute this, but I don’t remember who or where.

  35. Ford Prefect says:

    That’s good. Why make sound policy when we can just catapult the propaganda!

  36. ezpz says:

    Thank goodness then, that the WH has Comedy Central running interference for them…

    Maybe it has something to do with the new OFA/HHS payout to Hollywood, etc. to promote the ACA:

    http://www.sott.net/article/268381-Hollywood-deployed-to-convince-Americans-to-sign-up-for-Obamacare

    Hollywood deployed to convince Americans to sign up for Obamacare

    On prime-time television, plot lines will be written to encourage young Americans to enroll in the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare).

    The HHS has been effective in the past of coercing Americans with directed plot lines in specific television shows to guide the audience into supporting a predisposed goal or belief system about a particular agenda.

  37. heimaey says:

    Exactly. I don’t want to fund these wars in the Middle East. I don’t have kiss and I pay school taxes. It’s a very simple concept.

  38. Zorba says:

    Kathleen Sibelius is a partisan hack and an idiot. Maybe not quite as bad as Tommy Thompson was, but pretty damned close.
    Having said that, she is obviously doing exactly what Obama wanted, or he would have gotten rid of her.
    Does anyone in their right mind still think that Obama is any kind of “liberal” or “progressive”? I never did, but there are still plenty of Democrats drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.
    The Administration is never going to address those exemptions. Not in any substantive way. If pressed, they will give the lying rationale that “this is intended to facilitate the subsidies so that every deserving person will be able to access this easily!” And everyone gets a sparkly, rainbow-colored, flying pony, too. (And pigs will fly and monkeys will fly out my butt.)
    :-(

  39. perljammer says:

    It’s all very puzzling. The people being forced to buy insurance, are the very people the ACA is supposed to be helping, right? And I keep reading that most of the people who are forced to buy insurance through the Marketplace will qualify for subsidies, so they’re ostensibly getting bargain prices, right? Some people who make too much money to qualify for subsidies will benefit, by way of the prohibition of denial for pre-existing conditions, although they will pay high rates by virtue of their prosperity. The bulk of the population, who have insurance coverage through work, or Medicare, or Medicaid, don’t benefit from the program, and don’t need to.

    Speaking of Medicare, not only are those folks not benefiting from the ACA, but they are actually bearing a burden because of the ACA. Remember, the Marketplace subsidies are supposed to be offset by reductions in Medicare payouts to hospitals and Medicare Advantage plans. The result of those reductions is a drop in the number of doctors and hospitals accepting Medicare. We’ll have to wait to see how big those drops become, and what their effect is on senior access to medical care.

  40. ezpz says:

    That’s a great article filled with actual facts, sourced and documented.
    The link should be posted everywhere – again and again and again…
    I know I have several times myself. Sadly, you won’t find this on too many of the so called ‘progressive’ sites. Like many others, CommonDreams has been conspicuously silent on this and has not had this article cross posted there. The only two places I’ve seen it are Truthout and Smirkingchimp.

    Within that piece, I found this interesting contradiction to what the president and his apologists are STILL saying – that there will be caps on out of pocket expenses. Not so:

    ,,,,One of the selling points of the ACA con was that it would limit how much people pay out of pocket for health care. Of the thousands of waivers granted by HHS, one was the limit on out-of-pocket spending. The insurance companies claimed that their computers were not set up to handle this change. HHS took this absurd rationale seriously and gave them a waiver on this important provision.

  41. Ford Prefect says:

    Democrats seem increasingly schizophrenic at this point. Here we are, institutionalizing corruption, fraud and theft… and Democrats are proud of all this? If not for insane GOPers saying stupid things, people might have to pay attention to what’s really happening. Good thing they can distract us with those nutters on the Right….

  42. Naja pallida says:

    The Affordable Care Act is certainly a step closer to privatizing Medicare than it is a step towards single payer, that so many people, on both sides, have tried to claim it is.

  43. Naja pallida says:

    People without children pay school taxes. Everyone pays for roads they don’t use. I don’t agree with my tax dollars being spent on foreign wars of aggression. I don’t think I should in any way contribute to useless politician’s salaries… but that’s just how living in a society with a government works. The whole point is that everyone contributes a bit for the benefit of everyone. Some people seem to have this notion that freedom means you get to pick and choose which parts of society you want to contribute to, and which you don’t, but that has never ever been the case, nor even intended in any form of government in all of human history. Selfishness alone is not a political philosophy, no matter what the Teabaggers may think.

  44. Ford Prefect says:

    Indeed. My question is this: is “Obamacare” the template for privatizing Medicare and SS or not? If so, then this entire charade is just one big looting operation and they’ve institutionalized criminal activities to pave the way.

  45. Naja pallida says:

    The law was obviously written with the insurance industry as the beneficiary, and people getting health care was merely a convenient political side effect. This is just more proof of that.

  46. nicho says:

    They have done an absolutely miserable job of promoting the program’s positives.

    That’s because there aren’t any. Do some people benefit? Yes, of course. That’s how you run a scam. You can’t run a scam in which everyone loses. Even Bernie Madoff made money for some people. That’s how you sucker in the rest.

    Obamacare: The biggest insurance scam in history

    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19692-obamacare-the-biggest-insurance-scam-in-history

    The ACA takes our failed market-based system to a whole new level by forcing the uninsured to purchase private health plans and using the government to sell and subsidize them.

    Sadly, most Americans are being manipulated into supporting the ACA and do not even know they are being bamboozled. That is how scams work. Even after the con is completed, victims do not know they have been manipulated and ripped off.

  47. BeccaM says:

    Wingnut spammer…

  48. Ford Prefect says:

    Jon Stewart’s obvious funny aside, I’d like the administration to address this bit from the NYTimes:

    The surprise decision, disclosed last week, exempts (PPACA) subsidized health insurance from a law that bans rebates, kickbacks, bribes and certain other financial arrangements in federal health programs, stripping law enforcement of a powerful tool used to fight fraud in other health care programs, like Medicare.The main purpose of the anti-kickback law, as described by federal courts in scores of Medicare cases, is to protect patients and taxpayers against the undue influence of money on medical decisions.

    Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, disclosed her interpretation of the law in a letter to Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat of Washington, who had asked her views. She did not explain the legal rationale for her decision, which followed a spirited debate within the administration.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/us/politics/federal-health-law-may-not-be-a-federal-health-care-program.html?_r=1&

    Thank goodness then, that the WH has Comedy Central running interference for them while they admit to that commie rag, the NYTimes, that they specifically allow corruption in PPACA BY LAW. I for one would love to see Sec. Sebelius’ decision, because there can be no claim it somehow benefits Americans.

  49. perljammer says:

    I think the Democrats, and particularly the Obama Administration, have been their own worst enemy in regard to the ACA. They have done an absolutely miserable job of promoting the program’s positives. They have constantly been on the defensive (and done a poor job at that) in debunking the attacks of their political adversaries. And the whole “If you like your current plan, you can keep your current plan, period” thing was just plain wrong-headed, stupid, and deceitful. On top of all that, the healthcare.gov debacle, combined with the way it’s been handled, just reinforces into the whole “government can’t do anything right” meme.

    In short, if people are believing the lies being told by ACA detractors, it’s largely because ACA proponents have done such a piss-poor job of getting their side of the story out there.

  50. cole3244 says:

    its disturbing enough that the rw tell obvious lies but its more disturbing people believe those lies.

  51. Chef Kowalski says:

    But what is a TRUH? So much for articulate.

  52. leepermax says:

    Articulate article…

    “THE TRUH ABOUT OBAMACARE” … newslinx.net

  53. pappyvet says:

    Well, not to hit it too hard but wasn’t the President saying they could keep their present plans because that’s what the geniuses who figured all this out told him? Who was it that did not find out or understand that the insurance companies would change parameters? Or that the law would change them.
    That being said, I will take it over the truly hateful meant to do nothing but harm crap that the wingnuts have been infecting people with. They should be ashamed of not just the nonsense about Affordable Care Act but of other instances too numerous to go into.

  54. heimaey says:

    Well I don’t think I should have to pay for taxes. Do I get to not pay taxes? I mean, why should I be forced to pay for something that society tells me I need to pay for? I don’t want to pay taxes so why should I? #logic

  55. Loved the Jean Stapleton bit! Overall, a good political juxtaposition.

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