GOP’s Ben Carson: “Obamacare is the worst thing in our nation since slavery”

Religious right, Fox News, GOP darling Ben Carson just told attendees at the huge religious right Values Voters conference that President Obama’s health care reform legislation is the worst thing since slavery.

Carson, who is African-American, has become quite the “thing” of late in Republican party circles. There’s only one things the GOP likes more than a hateful nutjob – it’s a nutjob who’s also a minority.

Here’s what Carson just told the Values Voters throng:

“Obamacare is the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery because it is making us subservient to the government.”


Religious right extremist, and GOP darling, Ben Carson, who’s a doctor at Johns Hopkins (there’s no ill a little hate and intolerance won’t cure).

Actually it’s been fairly well established that the worst thing to happen in this nation since slavery was Disco Merman:

In all seriousness, it’s ironic that Carson brings up slavery, as at the other big conservative conference this year, CPAC, there was a hot debate as to whether slavery was a good thing or a bad thing.

Politico notes that Carson also addressed the GOP’s war on women:

During an address punctuated with cheers, Carson also said that there’s no such thing as a “war on women.” Smiling, he noted that pregnant women are typically treated politely…

See how he took the civil and human rights, and basic humanity, of women and turned it into a funny?

Now, we could spend this entire article just listing the other events in American history that perhaps were even more outrageous than attempting to provide cheap and effective healthcare to millions of Americans:

The Civil War comes to mind.

As does Japanese internment.

And World War I.

And the Great Depression.

And World War II, which included the discovery of the Holocaust.

That whole Cold War thing was a bit of a buzzkill.

As was segregation and Vietnam.

And I don’t know about Ben Carson and the GOP – let’s face it, this is a party that can’t even decide on the relative evil of slavery – but 9/11 wasn’t exactly a happy-dance either.

We could also spend some time discussing Carson’s extremist views on civil rights, which include comparing gay marriage to pedophilia and having sex with animals.

(Ironically, Carson exemplifies many of the fey qualities that inure to far too many of the anti-gay men of the far right.)

No, what I would rather discuss is how Carson is emblematic of the entire government-shutdown-default-on-the-debt wing of the Republican party that is at the same time “fringe” and the mainstay of the party.

Back in the 1970s, early 1980s, the religious right started organizing big-time in America, and sadly, the Republican party, smelling opportunity, decided to not only embrace this new and dangerous brand of politico-religious extremism, they decided to embolden it.

Zoom ahead 40 years, and the same thing happened with the Tea Party.  While the rest of America smelled trouble, the GOP smelled opportunity.  So the party, yet again, embraced and emboldened its worst elements – the hateful, intolerant, unbending, dogmatic extremists – and elevated them to positions of power and influence. (Is it any wonder that so many GOP leaders, in the House and Senate, are A) conservatives, and B) southern bigots? – it’s not a glitch, it’s a feature).

All the while, so-called “moderate Republicans” are as useless, spineless, and feckless as ever.  The lack of any kind of moral, political, or factual counterweight inside the party to this growing extremism left an opportunistic void filled by the political version of an opportunistic infection.

That takes us to the present day, and present problem, of the government shutdown and imminent debt default that risks throwing the world into a depression far worse than that following the 2008 meltdown of Lehman Brothers.

Russ Douthat in the NYT calls the current GOP strategy a “murder-suicide” pact.  The end-game of House Republicans seems to be an overwhelming desire to kill both the hostages and themselves.

Just look at the new debt ceiling offer that House Republicans made last night, about which Becca Morn discussed in-depth. House Republicans will agree to forestall a default on the national debt, and world economic calamity, this week, if the Democrats agree to let the Republicans destroy the world, with no attempt to stop them, around Christmas.

Thus ensuring that, in addition to the rest of the damage the Republicans have already caused the economy, they’ll also kill the Christmas shopping season, a hugely important event in the life of our national economy, which is mostly consumer-driven.

And the damage has already begun.

Merry Christmas!

Terrorist via Shutterstock (with Xmas hat thrown on)

Terrorist via Shutterstock (with Xmas hat thrown on)

Follow me on Twitter: @aravosis | @americablog | @americabloggay | Facebook | Instagram | Google+ | LinkedIn. John Aravosis is the Executive Editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown; and has worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, the United Nations Development Programme, and as a stringer for the Economist. He is a frequent TV pundit, having appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, Hardball, World News Tonight, Nightline, AM Joy & Reliable Sources, among others. John lives in Washington, DC. .

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118 Responses to “GOP’s Ben Carson: “Obamacare is the worst thing in our nation since slavery””

  1. Ante_Bergan says:

    “There’s only one things the GOP likes more than a hateful nutjob – it’s a nutjob who’s also a minority.”
    I guess the conservative movement has turned liberal in this sense: being what Dr Martin Luther King would call a Negro helps you in many respects, even in the GOP of today.

  2. Lady of Reason says:

    Didn’t the GOP learn their lesson with Herman Cain? African Americans, as well as PoC’s of other nations find this kind of comparison to be highly insulting and flat out wrong. Not one person in my family, and extended family considers Carson to be sane at this point. We used to see him as a highly skilled man of God…now he’s just another puppet for the good ol’ boys.

  3. Lady of Reason says:

    I’m Black I and I think Ben Carson is a numbskull for comparing to compare the ACA (Obamacare/Romneycare) as being the worst thing since slavery. This is the height of hyperbole, and insulting to those that suffered from all of the above named wars and injustices and plagues that have resulted in the torture/and or violent deaths of millions. The man can do surgery I’ll admit that, but as far as history or politics…he may need some refresher courses.

  4. Jane says:

    seems to me at the prayer breakfast that he made a few remarks that sounded like potential solutions, especially the 10% tax across the board. and the man has had an amazing career in medicine, too amazing to just be discounted. None of us has the right to imply that someone’s profession of faith is simply “proclaimed” based on his political views. By all means ask him to pray but then go one further and pray for him and all the rest of us who are finding ourselves hating each other based on our opposing political views

  5. Nathan says:

    Mr Aravosis, your article is void of decorum and missing the obvious assessment and human respect of the man you are criticizing. He is not only considered, but over and over proven to be one of the finest surgeons in the world. He serves in one of the finest hospitals in the world, performing surgeries that only a few doctors would even dare to try. He came from nothing, took tremendous strides to overcome his circumstances and has spent his whole career in service to the less fortunate and many times worked for way below his wage to serve those who had no resources at all. Wether or not you agree with his stance on Obamacare – to attack the man personally, discredits the rest of your article to be meaningless.

    He has spent his whole career in the exact field that qualifies him, almost more than anyone, to discuss the topic you’ve chosen to make light of. I have never heard Dr. Carson belittle or speak in disregard to any of our politicians, yet rather, call this legislation as he sees it. And with due respect
    Mr Aravosis, I would believe he has a greater understanding of Obamacare than you do.

    Also his race also further qualifies him to speak on the issues of slavery and I don’t think he would make such a statement flippantly.

    When someone speaks with so much knowledge and understanding on a subject that he has spent his whole career not only doing, but trailblazing, it would be wise for all of us to at least give him our ear and consider what he is saying with contemplation and reason.

  6. Alexander says:

    “Us” is an idiot.

  7. Alexander says:

    It’s money. Plain and simple. Competition between doctors, hospitals, pharmaceutical and insurance companies means lower costs. Can’t have that. Too many poor people might be able to access health care. That would be a disaster

  8. Alexander says:

    Simple, it takes money out of their pockets for doctors, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies to be competitive.

  9. Alexander says:

    I thought of his poor mother as well. She must be very sad to have worked so hard to create a mouthpiece for the Tea Party, the closest thing to the Klan you’ll find.

  10. Alexander says:

    Carson, the brain surgeon, has apparently given himself a lobotomy. He’s right up there with Palin now in intelligence and actions. I know his mother would be ashamed of him.

  11. dconvo says:

    Even your mom is no longer proud of you. How stupid.!!

  12. MikeF says:

    Thx. Feel free to use it. It sums up and combines the radical right ecosystem: small-minded/incompetent citizens, walling them and their leaders off from reality via gerrymandering, delusional right wing news/talking-heads leading them on, and big money financing the ghetto operation.

  13. clementinesalmassi321 says:

    my Aunty Lyla just got a stunning yellow Mitsubishi Eclipse
    Convertible by working from a computer. pop over to these guys J­a­m­2­0­.­ℂ­o­m

  14. karmanot says:

    “Carson may be an ignorant schvartze” ——-Racist

  15. karmanot says:

    “Carson may be an ignorant schvartze” ——-Racist

  16. vonlmo says:

    Carson may be an ignorant schvartze, but he ain’t dumb. He knows what ever increasing numbers of physicians are learning. For his generation, there’s more money to be made in politics than medicine. Ever wonder why docs are going into politics & leaving medicine to the foreigners & their underpaid female collegues who toil under corporate bosses? Unless you’re a Hollywood plastic surgeon the money ain’t there. Unlimited graft & corruption awaits the elected pols.

  17. zorbear says:

    With an ultrasonic probe (extra-large)…

  18. zorbear says:


  19. Bomer says:


  20. Bomer says:

    Maybe it’s like one of those magic eye pictures and you have to hold it close to your eyes then slowly move it back until you see the “message.”

  21. karmanot says:

    That would be harness the shark.

  22. karmanot says:

    How about: “Get a Baby Daddy and get a Baby Baby For Free!”

  23. karmanot says:

    How about: “Legally mandated Prostate Exams Every Month!”

  24. karmanot says:

    English socialized medicine saved my life 47 years ago—-nearly a half century ago and America is still a world power with third world medical care (except for the wealthy). America is exceptional alright.

  25. karmanot says:

    ‘Thought Ghetto’—-excellent meme

  26. karmanot says:

    Why would a man of that intellect and accomplishment say such an unbelievably stupid thing and would I trust him as a doctor under ObozoCare?

  27. Anna says:

    Dr. Carson’s comments are not helping solve anything. It is so easy to criticize but so hard to devise a solution. Dr. Carson is a proclaimed man of God. I just ask him to pray and seek counsel before making any more inflammatory remarks

  28. Bob Landolfi says:

    That’s interesting, but where are the real-world cases you’re referring to? Are all those actual examples from states that have decided not to expand Medicare as the law originally intended? And any info on what % of insureds this affects in real life? You’ve proven the statement isn’t 100% true in every case, but the “I keep hearing” still sounds like talking points. But I’ll give you credit for at least having read the law, that’s a departure for most of the wingnuts who are bad-mouthing it.

  29. MikeF says:

    Disgraceful. For me it comes down to the GOP (Groping Old Party) living in a Thought Ghetto. Here is a little sing along.

    In the Thought Ghetto
    (Political Satire — Based on “In the Ghetto” as sung by Elvis Presley; written by Mac Davis)

    As the spin flies
    On a cold and gray US mornin
    A poor little right wing radical is born
    In the thought ghetto
    And his country cries
    Cause if there’s one thing that the US don’t need
    Its another hungry radical to feed
    In the thought ghetto

    Moderates don’t you understand
    The radical needs a smacking down
    Or hell grow to be an angry wacko some day
    Take a look at you and me,
    Are we too blind to see,
    Do we simply turn our heads
    And look the other way

    Well the world turns
    And a hungry radical with a ugly tone
    Plays in the politics as the cold wind blows
    In the thought ghetto

    And wacko right wing hunger burns
    So he starts to roam the halls of Congress at night
    And he learns how to spin
    And he learns how to lie
    In the thought ghetto

    Then one night in desperation
    A young radical breaks away
    He shuts down the country, pushes for default,
    Tries to run, but he don’t get far
    And his country cries

    As a crowd gathers round an angry young radical
    Head down on the news with a blame in his hands
    In the thought ghetto

    And as this radical is put aside
    On a cold and gray US mornin,
    Another little right wing radical is born
    In the thought ghetto

  30. perljammer says:

    Catastrophic coverage plans are available only to persons under the age of 30 or who meet strict low-income requirements. At that, there are ACA-mandated minimum benefit requirements that few existing plans include.

    Rather than cite anecdotal evidence, I’ll refer you to a document from a government site. You may find it illuminating.

  31. olandp says:

    I haven’t had that much to drink in decades!

  32. lynchie says:

    Late some night when you have had a lot to much to drink you can spin this record at full volume and sing along.

  33. rmthunter says:

    I don’t think that’s quite it. Sick poor people are a useful tool for scaring the base. That’s the manipulation through fear part — “they’re going to take something from me, because gub’mint!”.

    And they don’t hate affordable health care — at least, they didn’t when the Heritage Foundation came up with the outline and when it was Romneycare. You have to look at the players: racist, isolationist, “small-government” ideologues vs. America’s first African-American president. (Ditto Hillary Clinton’s plan in the ’90s — Republican Congress vs. Washington outsider/uppity woman — and I’m still not sure which was worse in their eyes.)

    It’s not about the ACA and never was — that’s just their best rallying cry because it would make us just like “socialist” Europe. It’s a smokescreen for the rest of their agenda — permanent rule, by whatever means necessary.

  34. olandp says:

    I also found it on ebay. Now I just have to find $30.00 to spend on something that is virtually useless.

  35. olandp says:

    Thanks, don’t know when I’ll do it though.

    Remind me to never make you mad at me.

  36. lynchie says:

    Go to Its $29.99

  37. UncleBucky says:

    Easy with a Mac. You gotta use a special tile applicprogram in MS-Tiles 1.1 (beta)… or use Alt-I-forget in Windoze 7

  38. BeccaM says:

    “All your uteri are belong to us!”
    “The Bible says women are the property of men. Problem solved.”
    “Barefoot and pregnant — just like Jesus commanded.”
    “Need a Baby Daddy? I’ll gladly make all your decisions for you.”

  39. BeccaM says:

    Purity of Essence, baby.

  40. BeccaM says:

    Because sick poor people are desperate and more easily oppressed. It’s basic political manipulation through fear.

  41. Bob Landolfi says:

    LOL. Nothing like shoving it in your face for the RW nutbaggers, right up there with invasive ultrasounds.

  42. Bob Landolfi says:

    Where? On Faux News? Some specifics would be helpful. The distinct lack of detail to support your statements smacks of Repig talking points.

  43. Bob Landolfi says:

    Or maybe just plain old undiagnosed mental illness. What a bunch of whackjobs they, and this Carson sounds like the Chief of Whackadoodle. Hey, let’s give him an important assignment in the House where he can really hose some stuff up!

  44. SkippyFlipjack says:

    The IRS audits people for a tax year. They don’t audit someone three times in seven months. Use your f*cking head and don’t believe everything you read.

  45. jb1111 says:

    Dr. Carson has been audited by the IRS three times since that speech.

    He was never audited before the speech ever.

    May you, Skippy, be audited at least 10 times when republicans regain power.

    What goes around, comes around.

  46. karmanot says:

    That works! :-)

  47. karmanot says:

    My god, the history was as evil as it gets.

  48. Bill_Perdue says:

    I wonder why he hates Obamacare, it’s just Romenycare by a new name, just like all Democrat politicians are Republicans in disguise.

  49. Monoceros Forth says:

    Huh. I’m seeing “stylized camellia” and not “secret message to turrists” but what the heck do I know?

  50. zorbear says:

    I thought a tantamount was something Luke rode in the snowstorm in Star Wars…?

  51. ThisIsNoise says:

    I really like your use of Deltas. Creative. :)

  52. mike31c says:

    I wonder why gop pigs hate affordable healthcare/

  53. olandp says:

    Is that the Mrs Miller who used to go to all of the tapings of shows in Hollywood? I didn’t know she recorded, it is a shame Merv Griffin never invited her up to sing.

  54. UncleBucky says:

    “…because it is making us subservient to the government.”

    Now. We need to break this down.

    1. Who is “us”?
    2. What does “subservient” mean?
    3. Who is the “government”?
    4. What is the implied definition of “free”, then?

    This statement of Carson is a go∆∆amn strawman, boys and girls!

  55. olandp says:

    There is a clinic that does abortions just a little way from my house with protestors out there every day. I want to make a sign that says, “Women aren’t smart enough to make this decision” or something to that effect and join them. Most of the protestors are men, go figure. I just wonder if they would get it.

    If you have a suggestion for something pithy and condescending I’d love to hear it. I won’t however go in drag, this is still the fringe of the bible belt.

  56. olandp says:

    I have dreamed of finding the Ethel Merman Disco Album for years, it is my holy grail of camp.

  57. SkippyFlipjack says:

    Yeah something is wrong with that. You’d think they would have figured out a way to have the insurance companies adjust plans to comply, rather than being able to tell people “Your plan is being cancelled, here’s a more expensive one. Enjoy.”

  58. emjayay says:

    Yes. How can a guy with years and years of scientific training who has apparently pioneered very sophisticated surgical techniques be so beyond blind in other areas? Most people who are willing to believe most of the rest of his crap are dumb as a box of rocks. Clarence Thomas is a similar black guy, but he never did anything beyond run an agency contrary to its actual mission, which he got to run only because he was the only far right black right winger available. His mental/sexual/upbringing/racial/social sophistication problems are more obvious, but I’ve never seen armchair analysis on him either.

    Maybe a little part of it is the famous surgeon hubris. They think they are all knowing and god-like, and so all the non-doctor stuff he was probably taught as a child and still believes must also be right. So right it is OK to thumb his nose at the president who also around as black as he is, right on the same platform.

    But how he can entertain these pre-renaissance pre-enlightenment beliefs in the same brain as all the sophisticated complex stuff is extremely hard for me to really fathom. To some degree I guess it’s because the surgeon stuff is really sophisticated mechanics, not abstract ideas. Still it’s being really analytical on one side and totally non-analytical on the other. But seriously there’s some psychological stuff going on there that maybe someone with experience and expertise can begin to explain.

  59. karmanot says:

    You can believe it. A local dentist (7th day Adventist) makes his poor clients work off part of their bills by toiling manual labor on his farm.

  60. silas1898 says:

    Stamp licking. Another American tradition destroyed by socialist atheists.

  61. perljammer says:

    Here’s another constant theme: “If you like your current insurance, you’ll be able to keep it.” Yet, I keep seeing stories about people receiving cancellation notices because the current insurance they like doesn’t meet ACA minimum coverage requirements.

  62. karmanot says:

    My guess is that your average right-winger has no idea of what consists ‘a basic premise,’ nor how to spell ‘concede.’ They probably think the word ‘tantamount’ is Biblical.

  63. silas1898 says:

    Fluoridated water.

  64. perljammer says:

    Yeah, my list wasn’t comprehensive. I just included countries for which I could easily find dates where the practice was outlawed.

  65. emjayay says:

    That was definitely the really good part to them.

  66. emjayay says:

    Mine is 23. Yes! Awesome! (fist pump)

  67. karmanot says:

    Belgium was one of the worst offenders in the African colonies.

  68. emjayay says:

    Fortunately we don’t have to lick the socialist stamps anymore.

  69. karmanot says:

    Run, run, run

  70. Thom Allen says:

    Your cuz is summoning you:

  71. karmanot says:

    Oh yeah, I’m sending her an X-mas card with Harv on it. I bet the next wave about the flower stamp will claim that the backing glue has anthrax in it to kill Christians. If only Kafka had lived to see this madness.

  72. Thom Allen says:

    What will she do when she sees that the USPS is coming out with a Harvey Milk stamp? AFTER you explain who Harvey Milk was, of course.

    BTW, did you explain to cuz, that with today’s advanced electronic equipment, like the telephone, radio and telegraph, it would be easier to signal the terrorists using those rather than sending out a thousand envelopes that the USPS would mis-deliver?

  73. karmanot says:

    There is something about Alzheimers that makes Republicans crazy.

  74. Roseann Pascoe Blackburn says:

    How much did they pay this guy?

  75. karmanot says:

    yep My car is 18 yrs old.

  76. perljammer says:

    “… do not have slavery and never did.”

    What, never? Surely you mean “hardly ever.”

    Germany conducted public sales of slaves in its African colonies until the end of World War I. And of course, during WWII, Germany used slave labor from across occupied Europe.

    Buying and selling slaves was legal in these enlightened countries:
    Denmark, until 1803
    Great Britain, until 1807 (but slavery persisted in its colonies until 1833)

    Sweden, until 1813
    Netherlands, until 1814
    France, until 1818 (though it was on-and-off prior to that)

    Canada, until 1833 (yes, I know Canada was still a British province then. Whatever)

  77. slavdude says:

    “House Republicans will agree to forestall a default on the national debt, and world economic calamity, this week, if the Democrats agree to let the Republicans destroy the world, with no attempt to stop them, around Christmas.”

    So does that mean, then, that the Mayan brouhaha was off by a year?

  78. SkippyFlipjack says:

    To hear conservatives tell it, all we’d have to do to turn Carson into a Democrat is send him a big pile of food stamps; he’d become dependent on government and then work to keep that gravy train coming.

    By “work” I mean sit around on his couch watching Steve Harvey waiting for the postman to deliver more food stamps, of course.

  79. Drew2u says:

    “The Lent is too damn rye!” ?

  80. Drew2u says:

    If anyone wants to know why the Republican party hasn’t gone the way of the Wig party, all you have to do is look at all of these “conferences” that go on with near-unlimited media coverage from every major media network. This includes all the funding needed to put on those conferences.
    When was the last time anything like that for the Democratic/Liberal/Sane part of the country receives that much attention? Certainly the Netroots Nation conference didn’t.

  81. arcadesproject says:

    Quote attributed to Ronald Reagan: On the day before Medicare was to be enacted into law, Reagan allegedly said: Tonight is the last night we’ll go to bed as free men.
    (There’s something about good policy that makes conservatives crazy.)

  82. Monoceros Forth says:

    I raise a glass to Janis Joplin. The glass is full of diet cola but, hey, it’s the thought that counts.

    I don’t think I’d want a Merc these days anyway, but then I’ve never driven anything but beat-up used Toyotas that just won’t die. I’m not sure what I’d want as a dream car these days. Maybe a Tesla S-type?

  83. BillFromDover says:

    Oh, c’mon guys… when was the last time ya heard about a prayer brunch or supper?

    Obviously, the Big Guy in the sky is a morning thing?

    Verily, I say to you hypocrites… eat me!

  84. fletcher says:

    They are going from Pharisee to worse!

  85. karmanot says:

    Mathew is a liberal conspiracy.

  86. fletcher says:

    Can The Daily Show sue for plagiarism? The first comparison of the ACA and slavery came when a GOP flack said the ACA was the worst U.S. policy ever and the Daily Show staffer responded, “What about slavery?” Carson merely twisted the comparison; sort of the work of the lazy unimaginative mind. Had he not watched that bit a few days ago, I’ll bet he would have thought of it on his own.

  87. karmanot says:

    “national peeing breakfast” At my age I’d be a super star and God would give me a Mercedes Benz ( Thank you Janis)

  88. BillFromDover says:

    Ice picks, ICE PICKS in the ears.

    Bleach is for our eyes!

    Obviously, ya are a newby to conservative spin?

  89. BillFromDover says:

    Jesus Christ in a check-out counter.

    A negro not collecting food stamps appearing on Fox News!

    Whoda ever seen this one coming?

  90. karmanot says:

    Disco Merman—-that’s hilarious! Who knew—the new black comes with a white hood. If that wasn’t crazy enough one of my cousins sent an hysterical emergency e-mail that a new stamp is being issued by the Post Office (WHICH SHOULD BE DESTROYED!!!!) Yes, that hysterical. Apparently the stamp is a secretly coded design by Obama to reach terrorists. I’m not sure how many terrorists hang about windswept and woe-begotten WY, but my cuz has her shotgun loaded. BTW, the design looks like a flower. This tea party cousin is also on Medicare, Social Security and rakes in thousands in farm subsidies. I tell you it’s absolutely crazy out there.

  91. Buford says:

    Agree… or receipt of local charity becomes contingent upon considerations such as ‘Well, he has enough money for beer and a cell phone’ or ‘I offered to pay him to paint my fence and he refused’.

  92. BeccaM says:

    Carlson said there’s no “war on women” — and then proceeded in his most patronizing way to mansplain that women need to be ‘reeducated’ about pregnancy and contraception. Because, you see, we’re too foolish and stupid to be allowed to have control over our own bodies.

    Apparently if we dumb females all just understood that sperm cells have more civil rights than we do, all would be peachy keen and just as his angry male sky deity demands.

  93. Indigo says:

    It’s a form of blasphemy, parading deity around like a stage mannikin.

  94. SkippyFlipjack says:

    yeah and I like how they’re like “HAHA Carson kicked Obama’s ass at the prayer breakfast” as if that’s what those things are for — showing people up

  95. BeccaM says:

    That comes from the American Exceptionalism ethos, and a belief that the U.S.A. is the best, most perfect, most ideal nation this planet has ever had or ever will.

    If something is the best, perfect, then there’s no need to change the least little detail about it.

    That’s the message being peddled to the rubes anyway. The reality, as we’ve learned, is the oligarchs are happy to change all kinds of things — as long as it benefits them personally.

  96. BeccaM says:

    It’s their way of wearing their religion on their sleeve, and forgetting Matthew 6:1-7 even exists.

    “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. 2 “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the
    hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

    5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

    7 “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words.”

  97. BeccaM says:

    Your stick figure guy needs a pair of waterskis and a leather jacket. ;-)

  98. BeccaM says:

    Nah, I think it’s a tie between “Manimal” and “Supertrain!” for the worst things ever. ;-)

  99. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Another Certified Rupert Murdoch Tool.

  100. Monoceros Forth says:

    Hah! I’m a bit young to remember Mrs. Miller in her heyday but I used to buy a lot of thrift-shop records. Also an old boyfriend was a fan. Er, sort of. ;)

  101. Outspoken1 says:

    Insensitive and ignorant can come in any package – even a wealthy, non-white, male package.

  102. Monoceros Forth says:

    Oh, brother. I know what you mean. Isn’t that one of the right-wing talking points, that it’s evil and a weakness of character to expect the government to step in to help instead of turning to family or neighbors or churches or whomever? It’s ridiculous on the face of it. If I broke my leg and then wrote a letter to the parish church I used to attend (what can I say, I did practice Catholicism once) asking them for help paying the medical bills they’d probably have a good laugh at the rectory when they read my letter. My folks have their own medical expenses to worry and the neighbors are all at least as badly off as I am.

  103. pappyvet says:

    LOL ! I’ll be back later,I have to go pour bleach in my ears

  104. Monoceros Forth says:

    *warbles ‘Downtown’*

  105. Buford says:

    Maybe… but this Conservative character flaw is not unique to healthcare. The same approach applies to poverty, education, and just about every other contentious societal issue. They predictably and consistently assert that the govt should stay out of these issues, and that they should instead be resolved by local communities and churches. Yet that talking point rings completely hollow when one simply points out that the only reason the govt created these solutions is because the local communities and churches were not addressing the issues… at least not ‘equitably’… so the govt was forced to step in for the sake of the affected citizens.

    Even more interestingly, there’s nothing stopping the local communities and churches from solving the issue locally EVEN WITH the govt programs in place… simply make the govt programs unnecessary. Yet there are poor and hungry people within a mile of every red state church in this country… guaranteed.

  106. mgardener says:

    So he operates on children for free and pays their hospital bills? If they do not have insurance?

    Didn’t think so.

  107. pappyvet says:

    Hmm,I was sure that Mrs. Miller was the worst thing.

  108. Cletus says:

    Dr Carson, meet shark…

  109. Monoceros Forth says:

    The Republican alternative is screaming “BEST HEALTH CARE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD” at top volume over and over again.

    But, seriously, to have an alternate solution implies an acknowledgment that at least there’s a problem that needs a solution, a basic premise which your average right-winger is not prepared to concede. To admit that there’s a problem is tantamount to an attack on America.

  110. Monoceros Forth says:

    What the hell is it, by the way, with right-wingers and their “prayer breakfasts”? What the flying f**k is a “prayer breakfast” anyway? Isn’t prayer supposed to be a necessary part of the texture of your ordinary life, anyway, and not something to parade before the world? Might as well have a “national peeing breakfast”.

  111. cole3244 says:

    like everything bigotry and ignorance come in all colors and shapes, sort of like a rainbow one might say.

  112. Naja pallida says:

    Alan Grayson has already explained their alternative health care plan: Don’t get sick. If you do get sick, die quickly… and preferably, quietly.

  113. Dredd Blog says:

    The other nations of the world who have had “ObamaCare” a.k.a. health care, some for a hundred years, do not have slavery and never did. Military intellectuals, for years, have published papers that say it is the greatest threat to them. So, we know where the anti ObamaCare propaganda is coming from.

  114. Hue-Man says:

    It’s been a constant theme that 80% of Americans will see no change to their health insurance under the ACA. So Carson is saying that the health care system with the slight ACA modifications to less than 80% of Americans is the worst thing in American history (I would have added the near extermination of Native Americans to the list). I hope he cleared his statement with the medical insurance companies which will be rolling in dough starting 2014. (I happen to agree that U.S. medical insurance is awful but single payer wasn’t politically viable.)

    If you wondered about the 80% figure, it looks like it’s made up of approximately 60% employer provided insurance, 10% Medicare, 10% Medicaid (before ACA extensions).

  115. Hue-Man says:

    It’s been a constant theme that 80% of Americans will see no change to their health insurance under the ACA. So Carson is saying that the health care system with the slight ACA modifications to less than 80% of Americans is the worst thing in American history (I would have added the near extermination of Native Americans to the list). I hope he cleared his statement with the medical insurance companies which will be rolling in dough starting 2014. (I happen to agree that U.S. medical insurance is awful but single payer wasn’t politically viable.)

    If you wondered about the 80% figure, it looks like it’s made up of approximately 60% employer provided insurance, 10% Medicare, 10% Medicaid (before ACA extensions).

  116. SkippyFlipjack says:

    The first I heard of Carson was several months ago when a conservative friend on Facebook posted a speech he gave at a ‘national prayer breakfast’. GOPers were going nuts about it, calling it amazing, inspiring etc, and saying that he was speaking truth to power (since Obama was in attendance.) So I watched it and found it.. well, a nice speech, with a few clever ideas but mostly standard planks in the GOP platform. He spoke movingly about the importance of education (which everyone agrees on) and had an interesting idea about some sort of health savings account from birth (but no details on how it would work), but that was about it. So I read up on Carson to understand all the attention and found that he’s a young-earther who doesn’t believe in evolution. Here’s what I decided Republicans like so much about Carson:

    1) He’s black, so we’re not racist.
    2) He’s wealthy and accomplished so we can kind of forget the black thing.
    3) He’s wealthy and accomplished so he might actually win a race.
    4) He doesn’t believe in that evolution nonsense (for the GOPers who agree).
    5) He’s a good speaker so makes our old talking points sound new and novel.
    6) Did we mention we’re not racist?

    I explained to my friend that it was strange to have a doctor who doesn’t believe in evolution; I don’t know how he reconciles that with things like viruses, which show evolution in rapid action. My friend was so smitten he didn’t understand why that might even be a contradiction. It comes down to GOPers having Wesley Clark Syndrome (progressive! war hero! he can’t lose!) when it comes to black conservatives, thinking they’re perfect (black! conservative! he can’t lose!) even if they’re reluctant or flawed as politicians. (Paging Herman Cain…)

  117. Buford says:

    The stupid is strong in this one.

    The response to all of these ridiculous, ubiquitous GOP claims that the govt is not the solution to one problem or another is simple – “Then solve the problem yourselves by non-govt means!!”. The govt is not inventing these govt-run solutions before the need exists. We (collectively) create these govt solutions specifically because no other local or private solutions are meeting the need.

    Funny how Conservatives decry Obamacare as a failure before it’s even started, but they have not yet explained what alternative solution they would enact in its place, nor why they have not enacted that solution already..?!?!

  118. nicho says:

    Well, at least insanity is an equal opportunity endeavor.

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