Anchor for Putin-controlled #1 news show says hearts of gay accident victims should be burned

Dmitri Kisilev, the anchor of the #1 news show in Russia, Vesti, called on state-controlled Russian television for gays to be forbidden from donating sperm or blood. Kisilev then continued, suggesting, oddly, that if a gay person were to die an a car accident, their heart should be buried, or even better yet, burned.

The imagery brings to mind the old Eastern European tradition of killing vampires by removing and then burning their hearts.

The video is below, and here is the transcript:

“I think that just imposing fines on gays for homosexual propaganda among teenagers is not enough. They should be banned from donating blood, sperm. And their hearts, in case of the automobile accident, should be buried in the ground or burned as unsuitable for the continuation of life.”

Note the wild applause in the video, below, from the those in attendance when Herr Kiselev finishes detailing his final kampf.

Kiselev’s comments were regarding Russia’s now-infamous anti-gay “propaganda” law that bans anything perceived as “pro-gay,” including speech and actions (such as kissing, or even wearing rainbow suspenders).

Just to reiterate: Kisilev’s show Vesti runs on Russia 1, the same channel that broadcast his recent hate speech. Russia 1 is part of a larger TV network that is wholly-controlled by the Kremlin (so says the BBC).  This wouldn’t happen without Vladmir Putin’s approval.

Dmitri Kisilev, the anchor of Vesti, the most popular news show in Russia, works for Russia 1, a TV channel controlled by Vladimir Putin's Kremlin.

Dmitri Kisilev, the anchor of Vesti, the most popular news show in Russia, works for Russia 1, a TV channel controlled by Vladimir Putin’s Kremlin.

It was initially unclear whether Mr. Kiselev was suggesting that the hearts of dead, or living, gay accident victims be burned. Someone subsequently contacted me via Twitter and said that it’s clear from the Russia that he’s referring to the hearts of dead gay accident victims.

Then again, not that it really matters.  Suggesting that it’s better for someone with congestive heart failure to die rather than accept the heart of a gay person is pretty nasty stuff.  And using language that in essence evokes vampires, is just as bad.  At its core, Kisilev’s language is dehumanizing.  It’s suggesting that gays are genetically different, inferior, and dangerous.  It’s the language of a Nazi.  Except this Nazis is arguably the most important news voice on Russia television, and his paycheck is paid for by Vladimir Putin.

According to Wikipedia, Russia 1 is the second largest TV network in the country, viewed by 75% of urban Russians.  But Vesti, the program Kiselev normally anchors, is the leading news program in Russia, per Wikipedia.  So Kislev is a hugely important voice.

Here are the screen grabs from the video, and below is the video itself – you may need to hove your mouse over the closed-caption button in order to get them to appear.

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Judging by those photos, the Kisilev doth protest too much, methinks.

I knew I’d seen this guy before (h/t to DDK on Twitter):


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  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    That’s interesting, I didn’t realize an employees of any of those governments got on state-run television and suggested gay people need to have their hearts burned.

  • ferdibarda

    This is just not true. For example in France (I know since it’s my country), only men who are havings sexual intercourse with other men are forbidden to give blood. It’s not about sexual orientation or gender at all. Lesbians are welcome to donate blood, and gay men who are abstinent too (and some gay men that are in a monogamous relationship just don’t tell they have sex with men).
    Anyway, it’s completely different.

  • Indigo

    I hope you have a friend, Paul, who will run an intervention for you and get you to an appropriate 12 step meeting as soon as humanly possible. It’s clear you have issues to resolve. Be assured there’s help for you out there, best of luck finding it.

  • Tom Chicago

    It isn’t “radical” to oppose this barbarity and you seem to think the term is pejorative.

  • Tom Chicago

    So, your point is that John got a bit shrill with this. On the other hand, the host is so shrill with his hatred that he would propose destruction of the life that could be saved by organs from a gay person. His is blind with hatred, and making a living with his slavering. I excuse John’s excess.

  • AnastasiaKarklina

    I find his words to be absolutely despicable but the interpretation of the given translation is not exactly correct. He is referring to the “continuation of someone’s life.” Not that it makes it any less disgusting but the reference to transplants is clear to a native Russian speaker. I applaud the author for confronting such bigotry but our efforts should also be fact-based and accurate.

  • lynchie

    Oh bullshit. Show me evidence that the gay lifestyle has more influence on children than hetero. If what you say is true all the kids abused by catholic priests have turned gay. None of the kids Sandusky raped over the years has turned gay as a result. To offer the above statement is confirmation of your homophobia.

  • Bill_Perdue

    He sounds like a Stalinist version of Queer Supremacist. … If the majority of the gays turn against Jews I will become celibate and actively homophobic. …” http://www.queerty.com/jerusalem-mayor-yitzhak-pindrus-plan-to-tackle-gay-pride-20100729/

  • Bill_Perdue

    You’re a wildly bigoted and ignorant thug. You’d do well in Congress.

  • Bill_Perdue

    I disagree. Being a public figure for a homophobic organization like NBC, owned by Comcast, is unprincipled.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    I’m not sure how these pictures from Berlin affect someone in Russia. Can you explain?

  • Anonymous

    Russian politician Vitaly Milonov brands Stephen Fry as ‘sick’ and compares being gay to bestiality

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/08/11/russian-politician-brands-stephen-fry-as-sick-and-compares-being-gay-to-having-sex-with-a-dog/
    He’s at it again

  • mark_in_toronto

    You can argue, fight, ‘comment’ and make your point until the year 3000, but it won’t make ANY difference until you learn that morals, beliefs, opinions and politics have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING.
    FOLLOW THE MONEY. It’s that simple.
    What keeps NBC on the air? What keeps the Kremlin functioning? What makes the Olympics possible every 2 years?
    Hit them where it hurts and you will succeed. Complain with emails and petitions and you will fail.
    If you want to eliminate something . . . make it profitless.

    I am not supporting ANY Olympic sponsor. I am not buying ANY Russian products. I do not watch NBC or MSNBC. No big deal . . . easy you say? OK, let’s see you do it.

    Coca-Cola
    Atos
    Dow
    GE
    M
    Omega
    Panasonic
    P&G
    Samsung
    Visa
    Avaya
    Baltika
    EF
    Ottobock
    Jet Set
    Kommepcaht
    Adecco
    Arcelor Mittal
    Cadbury
    Cisco
    Deloitte
    Thomas Cook
    UPS
    Adecco
    Detech
    Kärcher
    World Class
    KIOUT
    Exect Business Training
    Kelly Services
    Microsoft
    Kaspersky Lab
    Contemporary International
    Russian Buses – Gaz Group
    Scania
    Life Fitness
    Parter.ru
    PR agency CROS

  • Anonymous

    There is plenty of sexual content for straight people that reaches kids. Movies or nude magazines in store windows. I think those things are more likely to corrupt children than a small number of gay people that are too sexual.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, “too bad.” Too bad they don’t have free speech in the first place, exploit workers there, and have tons of women selling themselves to foreigners just to leave. Too bad they are such a screwed up place. And idiots like you pat them on the back because you cherry pick “things you like” about their country. If you like it so much…move there.

  • Petsts
  • Jay

    Yes, the Nazi laws targeting German Jews was just an exercise of a nation’s sovereignty. The homosexual agenda and protocols of zion and all that can justify any barbarity a county is willing to stoop to. And Russia is well on the way to barbarism. For all the old enmity between the Russians and the Germans, it turns out the Russia of Putin has a lot in common with the Germany of Hitler.

  • Ninong

    I think their mindset is stuck in the 1930’s.

  • Ninong

    I think the more important point is that they are speaking out for gay rights. If they’re doing it in spite of Comcast/NBCUniversal, more power to them.

  • Jay

    These fascist thugs are disgusting.

  • Michelle

    And idiots like Paul and Kisilev deserve to the Bob Barker treatment

  • Bill_Perdue

    I’ve their comments and agree that they’re pro-LGBT. Which makes the question of their affiliation with a homophobic network all the more important.

  • Ninong

    For so long the government had absolute control over all information. It’s hard to kick old habits.

  • Ninong

    In most states that had anti-sodomy laws, the laws applied equally to heterosexual and homosexual persons, even married heterosexual couples. So every time a married couple engaged in anything other than missionary-position sex, they were committing sodomy, according to the biblical definition.

    The Cooch, Virginia’s Attorney General who is the Republican Party’s candidate for governor, wants to rewrite Virginia’s current anti-sodomy law so that it will avoid the problems that resulted in it being unconstitutional thanks to Lawrence v. Texas. He’s quite clear that he wants to ban any oral or anal sex between two persons, including married heterosexual couples!

    Then of course there’s has-been Senator Rick Santorum who once expressed support for Connecticut’s law banning the sale of all contraceptives, even to married couples. That law was ruled unconstitutional in 1965 in Griswold v. Connecticut. Santorum says the people of a state should have the right to ban contraceptives. Not sure his wife practiced that banning of contraceptives stuff during the nine years she was shacked up with her college professor before she started dating Rick.

    Besides being an ignorant Republican, The Cooch is also on the take… Big Time! Unlike Governor Ultrasound, The Cooch has so far refused to return any of the loot/bribes he accepted. He says his current family obligations prevent him from doing that. In other words, he claims to be too poor to pay back all the bribes he accepted. I believe by last count Governor Ultrasound has paid back some $120,000 of the bribes he accepted.

  • Clarknt67

    Don’t pretend you value freedom of speech Paul, it is laughable. You have already argued gay people are not entitled to freedom of speech because you find them icky. By endorsing “freedom of speech” for only some opinions, you’ve set the standard that it’s ok to silence the minority and dissidents. Unfortunately for you, in the civilized world that means gay haters like you now, so you might want to rethink that before we pass a law that fines you (like the Russian one you are defending).

  • Anonymous

    Very sad how most people there can be manipulated. At least America has many major cities with educational resources. In Russia it seems most people rely on the government for any information. And Putin enjoys a lot of influence for that reason.

  • Ninong

    Rachel Maddow and Thomas Roberts are the resident openly gay anchors at MSNBC. Rachel has been in a relationship with her partner, Susan Mikula, since 1999. Thomas is now married to his husband, Patrick Abner, with whom he has been in a relationship for the past 13 years.

    Both of them have been openly gay and supportive of the gay community a lot longer than CNN’s Anderson Cooper, who only came out “officially” relatively recently. Then there’s Shepard Smith over at Fox News who is allegedly deep in the closet.

    There are a few other lesser known TV news personalities who are now openly gay but those are the most well known.

  • Ignatz

    I don’t think he’s actually calling for them to be put to death. He seems to think that their organs are somehow tainted when it comes to organ donation. And that’s seriously bonkers. I wouldn’t be surprised if a call for death was next, though.

  • Anonymous

    It’s worse than AIDS prejudice. A lot of uneducated people there believe that homosexuality is a virus. They don’t understand it at all. Kind of like the wingnut politicians here spreading lies to an ignorant base.

  • Anonymous

    “It is something new” Tell that to Greeks and other societies that were more than tolerant of it. Greece was doing pretty well back in the day and encouraged men to be gay. They even brought us the Olympics ;)

  • Anonymous

    You have fundamental problems understanding sexual orientation. Consult a textbook rather than a church next time. You might learn about science.

  • Anonymous

    Why are you coming to this blog to argue if we are the “big babies” who want everyone to agree with us

  • Anonymous

    What about the heterosexual one? Are you trying to get people like Hugh Hefner and Charlie Sheen banned?

  • Leslie Nope

    Petsts, Russia is not on the same playing field as any of those countries in your list. Its aim to to treat gay people closer to how sub Saharan countries treat their LGBT.

  • Anonymous

    When all of these countries outlaw homosexuality, let me know. Your other comments say a lot about you

  • Anonymous

    It’s all about the money. They will skew the facts so people keep watching.

  • Bill_Perdue

    The main thing is that we describe NBC, accurately, as homophobic and demand to know why Maddow works there.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Smart Ass

  • Petsts

    Countries where it’s illegal for LGBT people to be blood/organ donors:

    Austria,
    Belgium,
    Denmark,
    Estonia,
    Finland,
    France,
    Germany,
    Greece,
    Hong Kong,
    Iceland,
    Ireland,
    Israel,
    Malta,
    Netherlands,
    Norway,
    Portugal,
    Philippines,
    Slovenia,
    Switzerland,
    Thailand,
    Turkey,
    United States,
    Venezuela.

    Looks like Russia is going to join these backward nations.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    You are right

  • JamesR

    Indeed, an accurate translation would help.

    Thanks for pointing an error out, might be helpful if you know the language you could transcribe it yourself, blogs are for exchange of news and fact when it can be had, then analysis and then opinion…

    Phrases are indeed important. “Life unworthy of life” for example,(the original Nazi German is”Lebensunwertes Leben,”) it’s history and context here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life , as posted by commenter Fritz Keppler on JoeMyGod here: http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/08/russian-state-tv-host-hearts-of-gay.html

    Propaganda? more like pravda.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Now that you have dropped your turd, move along troll.

  • lynchie

    So provide the translation oh smart one.

  • lynchie

    Dolt thy name is Paul. Take your bigotry back to your hidey hole.

  • denny

    I don’t disagree with what you say. RT network spins American news the same way.

  • FLL

    My fellow commenter, Paul, started me on a train of thought that I think might be productive, if only because Russia’s new law seeks to protect children ideas that Russia’s legislators disapprove of. What ideas do we seek to protect children from? Let’s take a look.

    Commenter A: “My opinions on life, love, sex, politics and everything else are not opinions at all, but ultimate truth. Therefore, there is no need to protect children from any of those ideas. It’s only necessary to protect children from the ideas of those who disagree with me about those topics.”

    Can we please move beyond this silly hypocrisy? If I may describe a universal human characteristic, I would say that each one of us would like to think that children growing up agree with our personal views. This is just human nature. So how do we function as a democratic society if everyone (or at least lots and lots of people) operate from the premise stated by Commenter A above? Shouldn’t it be obvious? The First Amendment, or whatever the corresponding guarantee of free of speech is in other countries. You really wouldn’t want to push the premise stated by Commenter A, would you? And yet, that is the very premise behind Anita Bryant’s 1977 “Save Our Children” campaign and Putin’s present-day law in Russia. Commenter A would just be inviting ridicule and satire from his fellow citizens, and then he’d have to hear the most terrifying accusation any human being can face [dramatic pause, then drum roll]:

    “You just have no sense of humor.”

  • Cgnick

    “Flaunting homosexuality is deviant behavior.” in YOUR opinion. Which you have a right to have, but when your opinion dismisses the threats and actions againgst gay people shows your right wing outmoded belief (which you DO have the right, unfortunately to PUSH as you say) It shows how bigoted you are.

  • Ninong

    Believe it or not, Paul, “influence” has absolutely nothing to do with sexual orientation. There is absolutely no way one can “influence” any young people, insecure or not, into “turning” gay. It just doesn’t happen that way. Just as there is no way to “influence” a gay person into “becoming” straight. Not possible.

    It’s only because of the homophobic attitudes of adults around them that “insecure youth” are insecure about their sexual orientation. They will come to realize their true sexual orientation in spite of the attitudes and behavior of others who don’t believe they have a fundamental human right to be openly gay.

  • FLL

    I wouldn’t laugh too hard. I’m sure there are plenty of teenage boys who have a lot more common sense than you.

  • Paul

    lol. I’m not homophobic about myself, just the influence it is having on insecure youth.

  • Paul

    No my friend I do not. If that is the case then I’m on your side.

  • Paul

    what happen to freedom of speech? Matt you sound like the monster you make that Russian out to be. Peace.

  • Paul

    I didn’t know that to be an American now we have to agree with our government. After all you advanced in the ranks by disagreeing. Not only that but if you were a sexually active homosexual you broke the laws against sodomy and all that other stuff.

  • FLL

    “Pushing homosexuality,” as you put is, is covered by the First Amendment. Your contempt for the First Amendment is starting to sound treasonous. You realize that public officials have to take an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution, don’t you?

  • FLL

    Stating support for gay rights is no different than stating support for any other political position. They are all protected by the First Amendment. If you are uncomfortable with the First Amendment freedoms to voice your opinion about political issues, I would keep that under your hat if I were you. Your fellow Americans will most likely get very touchy when they hear people like you who want to abridge freedom of speech.

  • Ninong

    Flaunting homophobia is a deviant behavior!

  • Paul

    I agree with fundamental human rights, but pushing homosexuality isn’t one of them. Never was. It is something new. Flaunting homosexuality is a deviant behavior.

  • Ninong

    You might benefit from a mental health checkup, Paul, because your homophobia is showing.

  • Paul

    Citizens from a different country may not appreciate some of their ways, that’s too bad. The United Nations has no business dictating anything to a sovereign nation anyhow. This homosexual agenda goes beyond exercising free speech. There is much more to the issue than being free to admit that an individual is gay.

  • Ninong

    Yes, he’s an American. I just read some of his other ignorant posts where he equates homosexual orientation with promiscuity and bemoans the fact that so many of our political leaders are moving in the direction of accepting what he considers unacceptable.

  • Ninong

    Respect for others’ views doesn’t extend to tolerating hateful laws that deny fundamental human rights. That’s something you will have to learn to accept, Paul, because we’re not going back to the days when your way of thinking was in the majority.

    Please have a little humility, Paul, and accept the fact that you’re in the minority in this country. You will have to tolerate the fact that everyone in this country is entitled to their fundamental human rights.

  • jess

    Do you enjoy watching videos of people being beatup and tortured?
    /

  • jess

    The subject speaks for itself. The topic is toxic. It’s a slippery slope, eh?

  • Paul

    Have a little humility and respect for others views.

  • FLL

    Care to comment on my reply above about the First Amendment and the universal human right to freedom of speech. Even the United Nations agrees that all people are entitled to freedom of speech. Which country are you from, anyway? Are you American? If not, doesn’t your own country have any guarantees concerning freedom of speech?

  • Ninong

    It’s because he thinks the heart is the repository of human emotions rather than simply a muscle that pumps blood. This is also clearly a man who believes that homosexuality is an acquired mental illness that can be stamped out by silencing existing homosexuals. That’s the mentality of the majority of the Russian people, believe it or not. All you have to do is browse through some of their online rants or watch some of their hateful video clips. However, I really don’t encourage anyone to watch those video clips, they are positively disgusting and emotionally draining.

    For the online comments, Google Translate works well enough. For the video clips, you can get more than enough information just watching the action. Just about all of the video clips are heavily edited so that the more violent parts are cut out.

    Even mainstream Russian TV covers the actions of the Occupy Pedophilia thugs as if they’re doing the country a favor by outing “pedophiles.” They equate homosexuality with pedophilia and repeatedly refer to it as a mental sickness, not an innate sexual orientation.

    I don’t think I’ll mention any of the repulsive sites here because I was literally sick for a good 24 hours after watching that crap for three or four hours. You have to do your searching in Russian to get the results. It’s truly shocking, to us anyway, what is currently tolerated, and even encouraged, in Mother Russia.

    Putin is a virtual emperor there right now. He passed his anti-gay propaganda law with not a single dissenting vote in the Duma. No one in government dares speak out in defense of gays because doing so would in itself be a violation of the anti-gay propaganda law. Putin has cleverly allied himself with the openly homophobic Russian Orthodox Church. He used that same stunt the first time “W” visited him at his dacha. “W” came back saying that he noticed the gold cross on a chain around Vlad’s neck and gazed deep into his eyes and knew that this was a man he could trust. LOL

    Little Vlad is a KGB thug with a Napoleonic complex. He may be even more narcissistic than Napoleon, if that’s possible.

  • Paul

    Hey, it’s their country. Everybody is there to compete in sports not brag about their sexual orientation. You radicals are like big babies who want everything everywhere every time and no body is right unless they agree with you.

  • FLL

    “on this issue”? Probably the most central issue that the Russian law raises is freedom of speech. I’m very sure that “our most popular US representatives” are not wrong to defend the First Amendment here in the U.S. and freedom of speech in other countries. I have no desire to see Russians or anyone else arrested for exercising the universal human right to free speech by stating their support for equal rights. Read the First Amendment and then think it through again.

    (Concerning your obsession with sex, I’ll let other commenters run with that one.)

  • Paul

    I’m with you on that!

  • Paul

    I think that if the homosexual lifestyle wasn’t so promiscuous and spread so many diseases from it they might not give a flying leap frog about gay pride. Personally, I think that they are on the right track and our most popular US representatives are on the wrong track.on this issue.

  • Ninong

    Should we call them Comcast-NBC or NBC-Comcast? Or maybe Comcast’s NBC?

    The majority of the public still thinks of GE as the owner of NBC.

  • Ninong

    Both NBC News and MSNBC have studiously avoided reporting any news that reflects negatively on the Sochi Summer Olympics. In fact, they’re already running promos for the Olympics.

  • Hue-Man

    “That same day [September, 2012, Canadian] Immigration Minister Jason Kenney touted Canada as a haven for gay refugees from Iran. Working with Iranian Railroad for Queer Refugees, Mr. Kenney’s office had fast-tracked 100 gay Iranians into Canada, saving them from possible execution.” http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/22/warriors-for-gay-rights-the-conservatives-have-become-unlikely-lgbt-supporters/

    Since closing its Iranian Embassy, Canadian immigration has worked with Iranian gays in refugee camps outside of Iran, particularly Turkey.

    From today’s Vancouver Sun, Russian gay refugee claimants: “Despite living in a downtown Vancouver homeless shelter while his claim is being processed – he used his savings just to get to Canada – Zhuralev said life here is already “better than Russia.”

    He was disowned by his family and kicked out of his home after they learned he was gay, and even his brother threatened him with violence. He lost his job working for a gay rights organization when it was shut down by authorities and has faced harassment and violence both within and outside the gay community.

    He was caught in a love triangle with two men, one became jealous and threatened him. Reporting it to authorities, he said, was out of the question. Meanwhile, after confessing his love for a friend who turned out to be straight, he was beaten up by a group of eight homophobic thugs.” http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Russians+seek+refuge+Canada/8773213/story.html

  • Mighty

    I’d love to see the US, Brittish, French, German etc Embassies fly the rainbow flag for a day in solidarity with lgbt people in Russia. Those are sovereign territory and Russia can’t do anything about it. I’d also like to see more companies refuse to do business in Russia but my guess is other countries who also don’t care about lgbt will pick up the slack. Not sure I am not savvy on international business.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Hi StraightGrandmother, and thanks, you’re most kind.

    Yes — I change my avatar every few months or so, not unlike the way I’ll sometimes rearrange furniture. Just for a bit of a change.

  • Bill_Perdue

    OK, I’ll reform and mention NBC and Comcast.

  • Tom in Lazybrook

    Even with the most favorable translation, the comments are extremely offensive and show a complete a lack of respect for the lives of LGBT Russians.
    Here’s an idea. While EU nations haven’t introduced the Magniski Act (yet), many do have laws banning extremists from their nations. I think the UK should send him a letter telling him “you’re not welcome in the UK”.

  • Ninong

    Just pointing out GE no longer has any interest in NBC. Comcast finalized buying out all of NBC just a few months ago. NBC was originally owned by GE, then Comcast bought 51% — and operational control — of NBC, then just this year Comcast bought the rest of NBC from GE.

    Saying you’re against NBC without mentioning Comcast is like saying you’re against Buick without mentioning General Motors.

  • ArthurH

    I likewise agree. If anyone has ever watched the closed captioning of a live news broadcast while being able to listen to the speakers, one knows the kinds of errors that can occur, especially if the speaker is talking fast.

  • Anonymous

    I’m gonna puke. I turned on NBC for a minute to watch their anti-gay law segment…they ONLY referred to the anti-gay laws as “laws against spreading propaganda to minors.” They portrayed ALL opponents of the laws as lunatics, crying “one person was arrested for protesting near *children*!” They didn’t say ONE WORD about hate crimes, or condemning openly gay professionals and tourists. I watched and watched, but…nothing.

  • Bill_Perdue

    You did the usual, pretending that your ideas are universal and the the GLBT opponents of NBCs homophobia don’t exist.

    Many of us prefer to think for outselves rather than puppet what Democrats think.

  • Bill_Perdue

    I don’t think it matters much why the owners of NBC turned it into a right mirror of Fox, but it does matter that they did.

  • Bill_Perdue

    The Russian government will have to further limit internet access if they hope to get away with this. In Egypt GLBT, union and women’s groups used the internet to plan and build the demonstrations at Tahrir Square. The same development is occurring in Turkey and occured before in Teheran.

  • Ninong

    NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which is 100% owned by Comcast. It is no longer majority-owned by Comcast, it is 100% owned by Comcast.

    Comcast tolerates MSNBC because they believe that positioning it as the anti-Fox News is in their best financial interest. In fact, it was after Comcast took over operational control of MSNBC that they moved the network into a more openly progressive stance. However, everyone working at NBC or MSNBC or CNBC knows who’s really calling the shots. Just ask Keith Olbermann.

  • FLL

    What a fail. The Towleroad article you link to is a balanced discussion of possible strategies. This is the section of the Towleroad article that you referring to as your example of “thinking on the question:

    As a result, many advocates are turning their sights in NBC’s direction, such as HRC President Chad Griffin, who wrote a letter to NBC Universal CEO Stephen Burke saying that the network has a “responsibility to expose” the atrocities committed by Russia towards LGBT people. According to Buzzfeed, HRC hasn’t yet taken a formal position on a potential boycott. Rather, Griffin states that…
           ”NBCUniversal … has a unique opportunity — and a responsibility — to expose this inhumane and unjust law to the millions of American viewers who will tune in to watch the Games.”

    I don’t think anyone on this board would disagree with the sentiments expressed in that excerpt from the Towleroad article. You find not one mention of financially divesting from NBC—or even boycotting NBC at this point. I don’t think Towleroad is lying; I think you are. You’re claiming the Towleroad writer agrees with your suggesting to divest from NBC as a strategy—a flat out lie, which anyone can see if they read the article.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, but I think it’s an honest mistake. It’s hard for a non-speaker to translate. Relying on Google Translate or subtitles often puts English speakers at the mercy of those translations.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Your conditions are beyond ridiculous. Opposition to the games and NBC’s homophobic decision to broadcast is still developing and examples of thinking on the question can be found at:
    http://www.towleroad.com/2013/07/nbc-olympics-coverage-facing-controversy-over-russian-anti-gay-laws.html

    If you think HRW and HuffPo are lying say so. I prefer to think for myself.

    Actions against NBC are being discussed and I support them for two reasons – NBC has demonstrated their homophobia by not withdrawing from the games and NBC is the Democrats version of the Republicans Fox. Both are tawdry propaganda outlets for right wing parties, one of which you support.

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/ostrow/2013/07/27/nbc-2014-sochi-olympics-plans/15635/

  • jomicur

    For anyone who’s missed it, the Guardian has an article about the plight of LGBT teenagers in Russia and the scant support that they can find online. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/10/gay-russian-teens-avoid-propaganda-law

  • Russ M

    I’m Russian and I find this article seriously troubling, especially because it deliberately twists and lies about what the host actually said. The translation is not accurate and leaves out a phrase. The correct translation is not “for the continuation of life” but “for the continuation of SOMEONE’S life.” The host was 100% referring to transplants, and to claim that it was unclear is a blatant lie. For the record, I disagree with the statement, but this article is clearly misrepresenting facts as a deliberate attempt to misquote someone to advance a message. Again, I don’t agree with the statement, but to claim that the host meant he wants to put gays to death is a plain lie. It is articles like this that make Russians distrustful of the west. How is this not propaganda? Folks, if you see some sensational story about what Putin said, please ask a Russian to translate the exact phrase instead of relying on what the media claims was said. You would be amazed how many times either the phrase is a quote out of context or how much thr translation is twisted to fit whatever “story” is being written.

  • FLL

    Name one source anywhere (on the net or in print) that meets the following two conditions:

    (1) That source has stated that they oppose Russia’s anti-“gay propaganda” law.

    (2) That source maintains that the way to pressure Russia to overturn this law is to boycott and financially divest from American corporations like NBC, McDonald’s, Proctor and Gamble and Coke.

    Name one source (other than yourself). No, I don’t think you can. Does the bill in the California legislature to divest from Russia upset you? I’m sure you can see that everyone, other than you, is concentrated on boycotting Russian products and divesting from Russia. Don’t bother providing further links to people like Signorile, whom you disagree with. I think, at this point, you’re stuck with attaching jpegs of repression in Russia, jpegs that support no one’s argument or suggestions. Unless, of course, you can provide us all with a like to anyone who shares your opinion, as shown in (1) and (2) above.

  • Russ M

    I did. Reread my comment.

  • Bill_Perdue

    The best focus for divestment is NBC, irrespective of the fact that they’re the Democrats mirror image to Fox New and their support for Republicans. NBC was aware of the progress of the Russian bigot law as early as 2006: “Human Rights Watch (HRW) notes that before Sochi was chosen for the 2014 games, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and other stakeholders, including American multinational sponsors of the Winter Olympics, as well as NBC Universal, which has the broadcast contract, carefully tracked the path of the legislation… .” emphasis mine http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

    Divest and Boycott NBC, McDonald’s, Proctor and Gamble and Coke.

  • StraightGrandmother

    I miss you Becca You changed your Avatar

  • Wesinoregon

    I think we need a reply to this from the IOC. And they better not tell us everything is OK.

  • skwcw2001

    ok what in the world can we actually do for these folks in russia or other countries, i mean do we have a gay underground railroad or are we just going to bitch when we hear a story, what steps are being done to help them by us.

  • woodroad34

    so much for the intellectualism of the Soviet Republic. A pig learns to talk…

  • davidinchelseama

    He clearly means heart transplants, but that doesn’t really make it any better, of course. What a piece of filth this guy is.

  • Indigo

    The most alarming part of this development, from my perspective, is Obama’s benign indifference. It would be most pleasing, quoth he, for American GLBT athletes to win medals at the Moscow Winter Olympics. Yes, most pleasing. If they’re not in jail. Or dead. And, btw, I’m over the Jesse Owens reference. That taught Hitler what? Ganz nichts! That’s what!

  • http://heimaey.us/ jim morrissey

    What’s more unfair…athletes not being able to compete or the LGBT community facing torture, ridicule and death? In my mind there is no question. Do not put our athletes in harm’s way. Hit em where it hurts a boycott is the only option.

  • http://heimaey.us/ jim morrissey

    I agree. It is a bit misleading. Probably not far from the truth, but as far as I can tell he didn’t say they should be put to death.

  • Matt

    this is the time idiots like this clown should just shut the f-up, or do the honorable thing and off your loser self

  • caphillprof

    There was an older gay man in DC in the 70s who used to attend the early gay lawyers gatherings. He wasn’t an attorney but he was thrilled beyond words that people were organizing and standing up and demanding equality. One day during refreshments, the topic of the holocaust came up and he said, “We knew. It was in the newsreels. We all knew.”

  • OnAnon

    JozefAL, whatever the “logic” of outcomes as you put it, the fact of the matter is that clearly the meaning is misconstrued by the blog writer and a correction is due. Wouldn’t it be better to have a discussion of what the bigot actually did say?

  • caphillprof

    Then why aren’t you providing “correct” translations?

  • lynchie

    Thugs and tyrants are never embarrassed. They can surely emigrate to the surrounding countries if they are allowed to leave I understand they need a visa to leave. I would imagine Russia would be more than happy to see them all go.

  • lynchie

    Money trumps human rights every day of the week. IOC lives for money and who is to say if the majority at IOC feel the same as the Russian government and nut jobs. We, perhaps wrongly, assume that they feel the rights of the gay community are important.

  • HeartlandLiberal

    Tell me again why the Olympic Committee is ignoring this?

    This is turning into a historic moment, just like the Olympics in Nazi Germany. At that time, the world ignored what that society was becoming, in fact had already become. Seven years later our soldiers were raking piles of dead bodies like cordwood out of the furnaces and mass graves and random corners of concentration camps.

    It is not just beer that needs to be boycotted. It is Putin’s Russia. It is the a Russia that has declared a genocidal policy toward LGBT people.

  • Russ M

    You miss the point. I am Russian. The translation is wrong. It conveniently leaves out the word “someone’s” from “the continuation of someone’s life.” This is a pathetic attempt to twist facts on what was said to advance an agenda. And no, I do not agree with the host’s statement, but lying through one’s teeth in mass media is quite shameful itself.

  • kevinbgoode

    If Western nations were more willing to step up to the plate, it seems to me that publicly offering political asylum to any LGBT Russian citizens would be, perhaps, a logical step in embarrassing the Russian government.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Of course, now the illogic is creeping in. Mr. Kiselev says that gays should be banned from donating blood, sperm or, presumably, organs so that others might live. Why? I thought the official Russian position was that gay people are always ‘recruited’ by being molested as children, and that modern science on sexual orientation didn’t enter into it at all.

    For that matter, does he think that a transfusion from a gay person will turn you gay? That if you receive a gay person’s corneas, suddenly people of the same gender as oneself will become visually irresistible?

    I know, I know — hate and ignorance go hand in hand. But seriously, if this has become the norm in Russian culture, society, and law, LGBT Russians really should be fleeing the country. I fear the full-on genocide will begin before much longer…

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Many of us do, yes.

  • grayzip

    But while I’ve got me, remember when the IOC made the Special Olympics change their name to… Wait, no, they were okay with that one. There was another one, though that they weren’t so keen on. That makes me wonder how upset they really are about any of this…

  • grayzip

    I also don’t think he was saying gays should be put to death. Why bring up automobile accidents if he just means gays generally? And why on Earth would even a tool like this single out gays who have been in automobile accidents for death? Pretty common-sensically he is saying when a gay person dies their organs are polluted so bury them. So, an AIDS-scare thing.

    I mean, we all get that he is being horrible, and the applause is awful. Nothing good is going on inn the video, that’s for sure. Still, seemingly willful misreadings and sensationalist headlines like this can’t help our cause.

  • DrCaligari

    He quite clearly was referring to heart transplants. It’s obvious within the context of the previous sentence.

    Still, I hope he dies from a particularly nasty, painful, and lingering form of cancer.

  • Drew2u

    Let us not forget that, just like Uganda, “homosexuality” is being seen as “pedophilia”, which both countries are getting that marching-order-lie from religious institutions.
    The anti-gay laws aren’t about “gays are icky and immoral” it’s: “the gays are dangerous criminals trying to harm your children”.
    EDIT: (to which I think your Kristallnacht comparison still is apt, isn’t it? That a minority are dangerous criminals after children and must be eradicated? I thought I remembered a propaganda poster touting a very racist image about just that)

  • Bookbinder

    Thanks for covering this, John. Yes, the US athletes have worked hard and deserve a chance to compete, so, no, a formal US boycot would be unfair to them. And it seems at this juncture that the IOC is going to be impotent as usual. However we may be able to prevent Moscow from profiting from this event with a boycot on event ticket sales or by appealing to their higher power: TV, and to TV’s higher power, TV advertizers. Boycot Olympic advertizers.
    By the way, I think it is possible that this new war on gays is like Israeli settlements, in the sense that the Russians may see it as a free bargaining chip with the US that they can manufacture more of, at will, in the foreign relations arena to extract concessions from the US in any number of areas. If that is true, we shouldn’t fall for it.

  • FLL

    There is an advantage that progressives had in South Africa, which is that the majority of voters were ready to vote for Nelson Mandela in 1994. I’m not going to pretend that things are going to be this easy in Russia, where the majority of voters are culturally and politically so far behind the rest of the developed world. My suggestion about divestment is only meant to appeal to Putin’s concern about revenue for Russia. My guess is that the anti-“gay propaganda” law won’t be repealed by the legislature; I think it will go when Putin discreetly gives the Russian court system the green light, and the court system overturns the law as “unconstitutional” for one reason or another. It will all be very cynical, but cynical or not, I think it’s doable with boycotts and divestment from Russia. I am under no illusion that there is any quick fix for the backward attitudes (influenced by the Russian Orthodox Church) that afflict most of the Russian population. Your point is well taken.

  • Monoceros Forth

    It is. I should say that I was making the comparison to Kristallnacht a bit loosely, referring not merely to the acts of Kristallnacht themselves–the vandalism, the street violence, and so forth–but to how Kristallnacht marked a definite turning point in the development of the “Final Solution”. I fear that some similar turning point is coming in Russia, and quickly too.

  • Harry Underwood

    But what to do when this guy represents the polling done by Pew Research and other companies of ordinary Russians regarding homosexuality? What to do when he vocalizes the common myth of “homosexuality = pedophilia”? What to do when society has made it increasingly impossible for domestic freedom to exist?

  • JozefAL

    When the guy starts off with “just imposing fines on gays for homosexual propaganda among teenagers is not enough,” I would think that there IS a “way on earth” that “should be put to death” is a possible outcome.

    It’s also worth noting, “Emerson,” that this IS a blog. Blogs, last time I checked, served much the same function as “op/ed pages”–that is to say, they’re not required to “report” anything. How many op/ed pages have YOU seen where the op/ed columnist has offered “pure” reporting on any subject? Reporting with NO bias at all. Reporting that is completely free of an emotional sense. I certainly haven’t seen much of it.

    By your “logic,” unless the man actually comes right out (“straight” out, as it were) and said “kill the gays,” then there’s “no way on earth” that he intends it. Unfortunately, that’s not how things work in the real world. Your thinking (such as it is) is the kind that leads to gay men being beaten up in this country but it’s determined to not be a hate crime because the beaters didn’t actually use antigay epithets while beating their victim. Even when the evidence shows the perps were hanging out in front of a gay club and followed their victim after he left the club, to some people that’s not enough to even suggest a hate crime.

  • iamlegion

    Yes. But just like the 1930s, so many people in power simply do not give a single fuck.

  • FLL

    Unlike night clubs in the West, gay night clubs in Russia seem to have a more fortress-like exterior—that is to say, less glass. Your allusion to Kristallnacht is well taken though. I hope the publishing offices of gay magazines and newspapers in Russia aren’t vulnerable to vandalism on a mass scale. It’s something to keep an eye on.

  • FLL

    There is an overwhelming consensus that the campaign to disinvest from South Africa during the mid-1980s pressured the South African government to begin negotiations that led to the dismantling of apartheid in 1990 and the first elections with universal suffrage in 1994. The disinvestment campaign in the U.S. culminated in congressional passage of the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986. Disinvestment from Russia can bring about the end of the legal persecution of LGBT people in Russia. The very best of luck to those California legislators who are trying to pass a bill directing the State of California to disinvest from Russia (link is here). Here’s hoping that national legislatures around the world will follow California’s lead. The best recommendation that this strategy has is proven success in the case of South Africa.

  • pricknick

    Thanks for stating the obvious so eloquently. The headline of this post is reminiscent to some of the crap that can be seen on huffington post or fox.

  • Monoceros Forth

    It’s not often one gets to see this sort of national madness developing and spreading before our eyes. When’s the new Kristallnacht scheduled to occur? I wish I could say that was simply a dark joke.

  • Emerson

    As a gay man I am repelled by what is going on in Russia against the gay community, BUT there is no way on earth that you can take the quote you have cited and claim that the man said gays should be put to death. What he is clearly saying is that no body parts, blood, sperm, or even a heart after an auto accident, should be donated by gays or used for transplants. That is not the same as saying gays should be put to death and you begin to loose credibility by saying it does. Their ideas and speech may be loathsome but please be truthful in your reporting.

  • Anonymous

    Can someone tell these fools that homosexuality is not a virus? Before it’s too late?

  • Deliverator

    It’s pretty clear that he means that the hearts (and presumably other organs) of gay victims who died in accidents should not be used for transplants. Not that it makes the statement any better.

  • StraightGrandmother

    OMG, Gasp
    Doesn’t the world see that this is the start of gay genocide in Russia?

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