Anti-gay Russian MP wants to move Russia’s 4m homeless to ghettos in remote villages

One of Russia’ top anti-gay members of parliament, Vitaly Milonov, is proposing moving the country’s 4 million homeless to “dormitories” in “remote villages.”

Yeah, nothing Hitler about that.

Milonov is responsible for the St. Petersburg law that became the model for Russia’s new anti-gay, anti-trans law that bans “gay propaganda,” and possibly defines propaganda as wearing a rainbow flag or holding the hand of your same-sex spouse.

The St. Petersburg law also ties gays to pedophiles.  That was a particularly nice touch.

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Vitaly Milonov (photo credit: sm alien)

Well, you might be surprised to find out that Milonov also isn’t a great fan of the homeless.

Which begs the question of what Milonov would do if you were both gay and homeless.  I’m just kidding.  I think we’re all pretty clear on what Milonov would do then.

Back to the homeless, it seems Milonov is not motivated by anti-homeless animus.  He’s simply worried that the homeless might get cold if they remain free.  So he’s going to give them their own ghetto, in the middle of nowhere.

As we all know, if it’s anything, freedom is cold.

So, just to recap.  Russia is virulently homophobic, violently racist, and they don’t like homeless people either.  Other than that, it should be a super Olympics.


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  • Henri

    Are you kidding? “Possibly defines propaganda as wearing a rainbow flag or holding the hand of your spouse.” Is NOT PERSONAL EXTRAPOLATION. Have you been living under a rock these days, that’s exactly two aspects of the anti-gay laws….And as far as the homeless freezing to death- there are 4 million, who are clearly surviving said winters, so this is hardly fear mongering journalism. If you think they’re truly moving them out of the goodness of their heart, move to Russia.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Everything

  • Nickie0

    Okay. This is getting scary. First the homosexuals. Now the homeless. Who´s next?
    These Olympics Games have to be stopped or moved!

  • Riza Cea

    They don’t have the heart for minorities…
    _____________________________________________________
    Silo Cleaning

  • Anonymous

    Kind of like Stalin “accidentally” causing famine

  • Martin Hansen

    not yet. Neither was it in Berlin in 1936…

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and dog pounds exist to shelter animals. I’m sure those remote shelters housing 4 million people will be monitored and everyone will be given those costly amenites. Especially when they can’t pay for them, as they’re too busy stealing money.

    Yep, it doesn’t look suspicious to force 4 million people somewhere. Never has, never will.

  • RWG

    Did they ever really go away?

  • Bill_Perdue

    Who cares, you and the Republicans are political dinosaurs, looking up at the pretty light growing in the sky.

  • RWG

    “the legislator emphasized that re-settlement to the new centers must be
    voluntary and that transients must be offered the alternative of
    temporary shelter within city limits.”

    Comrade, you have a choice: agree to resettlement or get your head broken by Officer Boris here, then go to prison. Take your time….you have 5 seconds to choose.

  • FLL

    Buhbye? What percentage of Congress or state legislators does your socialist workers party control? I think that would be at or near 0%. Buhbye? Go back to the children’s table.

  • StraightGrandmother

    Especially if Tuberculosis were “accidentally” introduced into a mass of people into a confined space. Same result as the ovens just a little more sneaky.

  • james

    yes Russian politicians always have the best interests of the people they imprison or slaughter or torture

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Not for the store owners who have to buy ‘em. ;-)

  • Alex D

    Its the disabled next..

  • Bill_Perdue

    Wrong again.

    Only rightwingers like you think that killer Batista cops and American gangsters are ‘dissidents’. Tarring and feathering occurred quite often during the American Revolution and was quite fatal. There were not trials then as there were in Cuba.

    ‘Unbalanced’, ‘scum’.”creepy’. You’re not making any sense and as always, when you lose an argument, you resort to personal attacks. You’re as predictable as you’re boring.

    Buhbye Democrats, buhbye Republicans. You’re all Whigs.

  • QuestioningFailz

    Yeah, nothing Hitler about that. Now move along. “Possibly defines propaganda as wearing a rainbow flag or holding the hand of your spouse.” – is your own personal extrapolation that has nothing to do with reality. As for moving the homeless in doors – once winter hits in a couple months, people left outdoors have every chance of freezing to death. Nice fear-mongering journalism..

  • FLL

    Your pleasurable style of writing when you summarize executions of political opponents in Castro’s Cuba is just plain creepy. No, really. It’s something that comes from an unbalanced mind. But you’ll never see those summary executions here in the U.S. Keep telling progressives not to vote, and keep getting disappointed when they do.

  • Bill_Perdue

    You’re not making any sense and as always, when you lose an argument, you resort to personal attacks.

    Boring.

    This is what I gloat about – “August 8, 2013… Seattle voters sent a clear message to an out-of-touch political establishment on August 6 that they are fed up with business as usual, and are looking for an alternative to corporate-pandering politicians like Richard Conlin. Kshama Sawant, who was recently written off by The Seattle Times as “too hard left for Seattle”, won a stunning 35% of the vote… Sawant will now participate in the two-candidate
    run-off election with Conlin to determine who takes the contested position.

    Elections in a banana Republic with a almost completed police state like the US are irrelevant but they do, as socialists have always said, offer a chance to educate and organize workers, something the Sawant group is doing.

  • FLL

    Why keep up the pretense? You want to see people suffer. That’s very plain. You know that you’ll never get your one-party dictatorship here in the U.S. that will throw out constitutional rights and put everyone who disagrees with the one-party dictatorship in prison. So what’s left if what you really want is to make people suffer? I think we both know, and I think other readers can figure it out. A right-wing Republican victory. That would create plenty of suffering for you to watch and gloat about, wouldn’t it? And you do gloat, every time right-wing Republican candidates win. You gloat about it in post after post. It’s so transparent.

  • Bill_Perdue

    You’ll have to try to keep up. Former Tsarists and other anti-socialists were not ‘dissidents’ – they and their allies were trying to destroy the revolutionary workers state and it’s socialist gains. The Bolsheviks were defending themselves.

    The same was true in Cuba when the city and land workers rounded up Batista’s cops, torturers, American gangsters and then tried them for crimes against the people of cuba and shot them. The Batistianos were not dissidents, they were thugs and gangsters, just the like the Tsarists and the empire building invaders.

    All violence ultimately comes from the right. Pol Pot was a Stalinist who murdered large numbers of Cambodians but that event was set in train by the invasion and occupation of Vietnam, the work or the right wing racist thugs like LBJ and Nixon. Those who defend the rightwing attacks against workers and workers states, pretending that these mad dog murderers are ‘dissidents’ are, not coincidentally, also right wingers. The Democrat and Republican parties are both right centrist parties with few differences and both are infested with rightists and far rightists.

  • FLL

    The thousands of dissidents who were executed, tortured and imprisoned—anyone opposed to the Bolshevik takeover—were foreign invaders?! You must live on another planet. No one in academia would ever take your seriously.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Arrest and executions of invaders from the US, Japan, France and England and remnants of the Tsarist regime were war measures (1917 to about 1922) and they lasted until the Red Army defeated the Tsarist armies and sent the empire builders, tails between their legs, in a headlong retreat back to Japan, England, france and the US where they were needed to help break strikes and suppress leftist groups.

    You need to expand your sources beyond the ravings of McCarthy, the Dulles brothers, Roy Cohn and other professional anti socialists.

  • Bill_Perdue

    The USSR under Lenin defended itself. People who oppose the defense of the USSR before the Stalinist takeover are rightwing and anti-worker.

    The US prison system is much more than a scandal for successive Democrat and Republican regimes, it’s a gulag for people of color, a drug law based extension of Jim Crow, which was an extension of slavery.

    Free speech is under attack by Democrat Obama and Congress. The Obama regime whose regime tortured Brad Manning, hero, and who is using Gestapo like tactics against those who want to expose his war crimes. “Obama’s Plan to Crack Down on Whistleblowers Leaked Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:14 Washington – In an initiative aimed at rooting out future leakers and other security violators, President Barack Obama has ordered federal employees to report suspicious actions of their colleagues based on behavioral profiling techniques that are not scientifically proven to work, according to experts and government documents.” Gestapo 101

  • FLL

    All of the arrests, torture and summary executions of dissidents began as soon as Lenin created the Cheka; it didn’t just begin when Stalin took over. The suppression of freedom of speech, the summary executions, the banning of any opposition political party, the gulags… they all began under Lenin’s dictatorship, not just when Stalin took over. This is all well documented. You really insult readers’ intelligence. No wonder you can never convince more than a tiny fraction of a percent of the electorate to agree with you in any U.S. election. Don’t expect that to ever change. Americans have 237 years of constitutional rights under their belt, and I don’t think they’re going to toss their constitutional rights out the window just because you open your big mouth.

  • Bill_Perdue

    This rancid Putninsta doesn’t want under and unemployed workers in large cities because they’re an explosive force for change.

    Apparently he’s paid particular attention to events in Cairo and Teheran and is aware of the US history of police riots against communities of people of color in the 1960’s and 70’s.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Your analysis of Russian history is chauvinist. “… an exaggerated, bellicose patriotism and a belligerent belief in national superiority and glory…” wiki

    I defended the Russian Revolution as a huge step forward for the workers movement. And I said they had the right to defend themselves from the Americans, French, English and Japanese empire builders who all invaded the USSR, who all had their grubby little faces pushed into the dirt by the Red Army.

    Stalin changed the Cheka to become an instrument of personal dictatorship and used it to crush to destroy the Bolsheviks and the Red Army.

    Democrat Obama is leading the charge to imprison and torture whistleblowers like gay/antiwar hero Brad Manning and anti-NSA activists like Assange and Snowden in a clear attack on the First Amendment. His orders for the racist murders of Anwar al-Aulaqi, Samir
    Khan, ‘Abd al-Rahman Anwar al-Aulaqi and Jude Mohammed. He’s the force behind NDAA, supports NSA snooping and FISA, lies about NSA snooping and voted for the Paytriot Act and he repeatedly signs of on it’s extensions.

  • Bill_Perdue

    The same thing that’s wrong with American bigots and the politicians who pander to them.

  • Bill_Perdue

    The Putin regime is just as right wing as the Obama regime, who, according to Black Agenda Reports “has repeatedly refused to spend moneys a set aside for distressed homeowners and communities. Why? Because banks have refused to cooperate with such programs, fearing that intervention in the housing market “would threaten to upset the bankers’ carefully calibrated market manipulations.” They would rather continue rigging the game. “The banks have been carefully dribbling out houses for sale, attempting to artificially stabilize prices with the goal of pumping up another bubble…. A real mortgage modification program serving millions of desperate homeowners would screw up the bankers’ game. …
    The Obama administration’s failure to spend almost any of the $7.6 billion in TARP housing money set aside for the neediest regions of the country seems counterintuitive. Why let all but 3 percent of the funds just sit in the Treasury Department’s accounts for two years, unspent, when millions of the president’s most loyal supporters were struggling to maintain a roof over their heads?”
    http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/why-obama-won%E2%80%99t-help-foreclosure-victims

  • nicho

    The guy is a regular Rudy Giuliani. Except Rudy didn’t even want to give them dormitories.

  • Tyler Albertario

    Nothing Holocaust-y here, folks! Move along, now.

  • Frida

    What a disgusting anti-human place.

  • acde

    this guy clearly belongs in the psych gulag!

  • FLL

    You raise an excellent point about the U.S. prison system. It has become a profit-making venture where private companies pay pennies to feed and clothe prisoners while reaping large payments from the federal government, at taxpayer expense, of course. Much of this is traceable to the racist policies used in the so-called “war on drugs.” If the DOJ is serious about reforming drug-sentencing laws, that would be the first small step back to sanity.

    My only point about the 75 years following the 1917 Russian Revolution was that the absence of free speech, banning any opposition party and imprisoning dissidents didn’t do Russia any good, even though Lenin did Russia a favor by ending the tsarist regime. I still believe that free speech is a requirement for success. Historically, Russia has never regarded free speech (or indeed freedom from arbitrary imprisonment) as a right, which I think has a lot to do with the problems we’re seeing in Russia today.

  • lynchie

    Lenin was far short of a good person. However he ended the Tsar’s brutal regime. But Lenin lashed out at the church, government etc. My like was regarding the posting itself. Sure there were inconcistantsies but I thought the effort to put some history on the post was important. Perhaps should not have liked but at the time I did. We have our own gulag’s called for profit prisons. Shielded from oversight and free to punish and abuse the prisoners.

  • Thom Allen

    The Russian riot police and a right wing Orthodox religious group called “God’s Will” group broke up a demonstration by a few Pastafarians in Moscow. This MIGHT seem like something from “The Onion” but it’s not. Sounds like Russian republicons are getting to be a mirror of their US counterparts. http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=37841

  • FLL

    I must admit to being confused by your comment above, which essentially makes the same point that I made myself on this thread and the previous thread (link here) regarding Russia’s unfortunate history of imprisonment for dissidents. The reason I’m confused is because you gave a “like” to a comment that included the following:

    “In addition Democrats and Republicans chimed in to deny the central
    importance of the Russian Revolution of 1917. For the first time in
    history workers came to power and established a democratically run
    economy and government.”

    Certainly you know that Lenin’s security organization was responsible for the summary executions, arrests, imprisonment and torture of dissidents. Gulags good or gulags bad?

  • Lindy

    The Gulag returns…

  • lynchie

    That is how the gulags started. They needed workers clearing land in Siberia where nothing grows and sent thousands to their deaths. No warm clothes, no heat, water with maggots and weeds for those filling meals.

    http://gulaghistory.org/nps/onlineexhibit/stalin/living.php

    And if you think things have changed since the early days don’t forget the band Pussy Riot was just sentenced to a Gulag.

    In some regions, particularly in Perm, temperatures can reach minus 50
    degrees and illness and disease are rife, while medical staff largely
    negligent. As a result of overcrowding and poor medical treatment, an overwhelming number
    of Russia’s estimated (according to the prison system’s own figures)
    717,400 thousand prisoners are infected with tuberculosis and HIV.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/10/29/what-life-in-a-siberian-gulag-will-mean-for-p-ssy-riot/

    So people who protest at the Olympics could be sentenced to gulags (really a death sentence) no contact with family, no real health care and brutal conditions. Have a nice day.

  • FLL

    What is wrong is the lack of experience in democratic governance. On a previous thread (link here), I said that 1000 years of tsarist autocracy gave Russia no experience in democracy and 75 subsequent years of a totalitarian one-party dictatorship didn’t improve the situation nor did it give Russia any opportunity to develop socially or politically. As you can see from the previous thread, I was promptly flamed by a commenter who views Lenin’s dictatorship as an ideal model of governance. Seeing as Lenin’s security organization, the Cheka, perpetrated summary executions, arrests, imprisonment and torture of thousands of dissidents, I will have to disagree with that commenter. I will stand by my belief that freedom of speech is the engine that drives a successful society, which is why Russia is so strikingly unsuccessful today. Flame away.

  • FLL

    Thank you. You’re right, information about Milonov’s sexual relationships with two other men and his admission of this are on the August 3 and August 5 iterations of his Wikipedia bio page. The editor (Moncrief) who deleted this information on August 6 offers this explanation:

    “As much as this would be interesting news, there’s no record of it in the St P Times, which only comes out on Wednesdays (not dates here) http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=5 nor anywhere else after a thorough news search. Sorry…”

    That confirms what I suspected, which is that the back and forth exchange between Milonov and the St. Petersburg Times reporters took place verbally, either at a press conference or perhaps on the street. The information was indeed exchanged between Milonov and the reporters, but never made it into a printed edition of the newspaper.

  • Leota2

    A large window has been unshaded. We now see them . . . .

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Oh, I love this–

    The deputy from the ruling United Russia party told Izvestia daily that setting up a network of special centers would save the vagrants from the severe and often lethal winter cold.

    Which need to be in ‘remote villages’ why? Would it not make sense to put them much closer to modern infrastructures?

    Moving the homeless to the scarcely populated regions would further eliminate the threat of contagious diseases, the politician added.

    Yeah, by cramming them cheek-by-jowl into dormitories, where they can infect each other like wildfire. And if he thinks that won’t happen, he should check what it’s like in an average college dorm building. One person gets the flu, EVERYBODY gets the flu.

    Milonov also suggested putting the health ministry in charge of such centers so that they could monitor the health of the residents and provide regular vaccination against dangerous
    infections.

    Vaccinations that don’t help at all against most bacterial infections… But hey, with all these people receiving free medical care, it seems only “reasonable” to suggest they could serve as a pool for medical experimentation, right?

    He implied that the state would also provide those who agree to stay in such centers with work, but did not elaborate on its nature.

    I think this book right here is illustrative of the kind of work they likely have in mind.

    Hey, those trees won’t cut themselves, especially not in the dead of winter!

    At the same time, the legislator emphasized that re-settlement to the new centers must be voluntary and that transients must be offered the alternative of temporary shelter within city limits.

    I seem to recall that the resettlement of another group of people, defined not by poverty or sexual orientation, but by their religion, was promoted initially as being purely voluntary…

  • caphillprof

    What in the hell is wrong with these Russian folk?

  • emjayay

    Well, the shopping carts are free.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    And even better, you can see who made the changes. Sometimes this can be as fascinating as the changes themselves.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    Every iteration of a page is available in Wikipedia’s backlog, if you click on the “View history” button on the upper right hand side of a page.

  • FLL

    I just love the fact that Wikipedia’s scrubbed this guy’s bio page. Earlier this month, two men accused him of having a sexual affair with them, as reported by the St. Petersburg Times, and English-language newspaper in Russia. At first Mionovo denied it, then changed his story and said that he had made “personal mistakes” and was refusing to step down. Unfortunately, I didn’t get a screen shot during the very brief time that Wikipedia had this information on Milonov’s bio page. I wonder if anyone else did.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    That is actually a pretty common nonsense talking point from the opponents of doing anything meaningful about homelessness, especially in nations where there is absolutely no reason for homelessness to exist – like here in the US. Sure, there are transient populations in every city on the planet, but the idea that most of those people want to live that way, and wouldn’t take help if it was offered, is patently ridiculous. Then when you debunk that point, then they jump to “Oh, they just don’t work hard enough.” or finally “They deserve it.”

  • lynchie

    Yeah the homeless want to live on rat turds wearing shoes made out of a card board box. What’s not to love about that.

    Another 1% slug who hates everything that is not like him, gays, homeless, etc., etc.

  • Guest

    And when those remote ghettos are full then he will want to move them into the ovens. It’s just a little bit of history repeating and the world is saying “Don’t worry, it won’t go that far.” Yeah, ok.

  • Monoceros Forth

    Oh, I love this passage from the news article. Thus speaks MP Milonov:

    The homeless are a specific culture that is present not only in our country, but also in richer nations. The homeless like their lifestyle, it is comfortable for them.

    Yep, the poor want to be poor! OK, I’m convinced now. This guy has got to be comparing notes with other right-wingers.

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