Bradley Manning: “I am Chelsea Manning, I am a woman”

In a surprising development, convicted leaker Bradley Manning has announced via his attorney that he will undergo hormone therapy and will live as a woman.

“I am Chelsea Manning, I am a woman,” Manning said in a statement given to NBC’s Today Show (h/t Towleroad):

Subject: The Next Stage of My Life

I want to thank everybody who has supported me over the last three years. Throughout this long ordeal, your letters of support and encouragement have helped keep me strong. I am forever indebted to those who wrote to me, made a donation to my defense fund, or came to watch a portion of the trial. I would especially like to thank Courage to Resist and the Bradley Manning Support Network for their tireless efforts in raising awareness for my case and providing for my legal representation.

As I transition into this next phase of my life, I want everyone to know the real me. I am Chelsea Manning. I am a female. Given the way that I feel, and have felt since childhood, I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible. I hope that you will support me in this transition. I also request that, starting today, you refer to me by my new name and use the feminine pronoun (except in official mail to the confinement facility). I look forward to receiving letters from supporters and having the opportunity to write back.

Thank you,

Chelsea E. Manning

bradley-manning-bigManning, before announcing that he was a woman, had previously acknowledged being gay.  Manning also indicated that he might be transgender.

Now that he – Manning asked to be referred to as “she” in the future – she has acknowledged being transgender, it is no longer clear if Manning is gay.

It’s a bit complicated, but being gay means you are attracted primarily to the same-sex.  If Manning was gay because he, a man, was attracted to other men, and he now says she is a woman, then she is a woman attracted to men. So while she is trans, she is no longer gay.

Manning, who was just sentenced to 35 years in prison for leaking nearly one million pages of classified Pentagon documents about the Iraq war, will certainly bring much-needed attention to the transgender issue.  In comparison to gays and lesbians, transgender people have been much less visible over the past few decades, which, among other reasons, has made forward movement on their issues slower than that of gay rights.

So, to that degree, Manning’s news will certainly lead to more discussion of, and education on, trans issues.

But the unknown is whether trans rights are being linked to a hero or a traitor.

While many gay people embraced Bradley Manning as a “gay” hero, many others saw Manning as little more than a confused traitor who happened to, embarrassingly, be gay.  The same conundrum now confronts the trans community.  Do they have a hero or an embarrassment?

Either way, the trans community is getting some much-needed public discussion.  Let’s hope it’s the right discussion.

UPDATE: The Army says it won’t pay Manning’s medical costs related to gender reassignment. It’s still against the rules to be trans in the military:


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  • http://newstechnica.com David Gerard

    This article reads like G excluding T.

  • UncleBucky

    Oh, pish tush.

  • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

    QUILTBAG seems to be all the rage on tumblr.

  • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

    “Post a video of a guy saving a puppy dog’s live on youtube and it’ll still get some downvotes”

    I’m a cat person.

  • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

    “We always supported trans rights.”

    Aren’t you precious? Bless your heart.

  • https://www.facebook.com/danah.gaz danah gaz

    You give me the creeps, too.

  • Ninong

    Two points: Manning is no longer in the military. He was given a dishonorable discharge as part of his sentence. Second, a transgendered person could serve in the military as a gay male, bisexual or a lesbian but not as one actually transitioning via hormone therapy or surgery. I don’t believe the military allows a service memeber to change sex. They would fail a physical exam and be given a medical discharge. I don’t believe that was covered with the repeal of DADT.

    In other words, someone like the former Navy Seal who announced that he was transgendered and transitioning to female after his discharge, would be allowed to serve as male but not as female. If anyone knows anything different, please speak up.

    Some medical doctors consider gender reassignment surgery a medical necessity for those persons who have been examined by qualified psychiatrists and found to be transgendered. The City of San Francisco, for example, does cover gender reassignment surgery for city employees but not many companies do. I don’t consider myself qualified medically to make that judgment one way or the other so I will just accept what the medical professionals have to say.

  • Ninong

    Wikipedia has apparently finished their internal discussion and this is how they are showing Manning’s profile:

    “Chelsea Elizabeth Manning (born Bradley Edward Manning, December 17, 1987) is a United States Army soldier who was convicted in July 2013 of violations of the Espionage Act and other offenses, after releasing the largest set of restricted documents ever leaked to the public. She was sentenced to 35 years in prison and a dishonorable discharge, but with credit for time served and good behavior could be released on parole after eight years.”

    I still predict that Manning will continue to be referred to as Bradley Edward Manning in all official government documents, perhaps with a footnote that following his dishonorable discharge from the Army, he requested that he be identified as Chelsea Elizabeth Manning.

    There is no way to go back and change the thousands of pages of media coverage over the past few years and change his name. It will remain Bradley Edward Manning and there will be relatively little media coverage of Chelsea Elizabeth Manning compared to what is already out there under Bradley Manning.

  • Ninong

    No one is asking you to *accept* Kristin Beck’s opinion. I think it’s worthy of consideration considering her military service to our country. Having served 8 years myself, I find that I have the same opinion of Manning. Okay, maybe I’m more forgiving of what Manning did because I because I believe she was confused at the time but it’s still not something that is acceptable to me.
    I think Manning’s punishment was just as well as compasionate. She will be out by the time she is 33.

  • Guest

    What Navy Seal Kristin Beck says is her opinion. Beck is just a Navy Seal and her opinion is not accepted by all. Being a Navy Seal does not make her a goddess of opinions. Give me one reason why I would accept her biased opinion.

  • Guest

    @Ninong:disqus. Not quite. Not obvious. Your prediction that Manning is going down in history obviously as Bradley Manning is speculative. Manning could be referred to being a person first not gender first. He could fit the description of Chelsea (Bradley) Manning or may be Bradley (Chelsea) Manning. Both versions are acceptable. Manning is 18+ and only Manning can decide who he is the default concocted description would be gender bias. I do not believe historians have the licence to change that.

  • Guest

    Manning gender should not come up as a bias.

  • Nathanael

    I think you should look up the definition of treason. It’s in the Constitution.

    Making war on the United States, or aid & comfort to the enemy. And in the US, the “United States” is pretty much defined as the Constitution, because that’s what you swear oaths to.

    As far as I can tell, Bush, Cheney, Obama, Yoo, Hayden, Clapper, and Alexander have given aid and comfort to the enemies of the US.

    Manning has upheld his/her oath to the Constituion. Bush, Obama, et all haven’t upheld their oaths, and by torturing prisoners and imprisoning people without trial, they have definitely aided and comforted *all* enemies of the United States — throwing away the moral authority of the US was one of the top items on bin Laden’s agenda, and Putin loves it too.

  • Media Mentions

    So we all know what’s going on with
    Manning, but from what I gather many aren’t aware of just what information was
    leaked. To those looking to get informed, I suggest you start here: http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/showlink.aspx?bookmarkid=ERVNO7GJX275&preview=article&linkid=0ee461e7-b3df-48b7-bb5b-886cdef31a30&pdaffid=ZVFwBG5jk4Kvl9OaBJc5%2bg%3d%3d,
    about midway through the article. Though the whole transgender thing still gives me the creeps

  • mirth

    I gave you an up-vote because I understand your argument and even agree with some of it. But once again you base an opinion on a supposition – that Manning regrets her actions and that she now feels she harmed this country – which has no basis in fact.

    Still, while we disagree about manning’s actions, I enjoyed reading your well thought out comments and a ^5 is deserved.

  • mirth

    Val, idgit comments won’t get a lot of attention here. Heads-up: You’re out of your league.

  • mirth

    I appreciate the link, Ninong, and I read it. It seems that Beck’s issue is with what Manning did (and, according to her, in doing that Manning “dirtied” transgenders by being a traitor) rather than having much to do with Manning’s gender identity and her process of transition.

    Needless to say, I disagree with Beck’s position and I think, a supposition only, other transgendered people will also disagree, perhaps seeing Manning’s bravery as flattering. I read several such cheers yesterday from the transgendered community.

  • Ninong

    Transgender Former Navy SEAL Kristin Beck Blasts Chelsea Manning: ‘a Traitor to Me Personally’ http://www.towleroad.com/2013/08/transgender-former-navy-seal-kristin-beck-blasts-chelsea-manning-a-traitor-to-me-personally.html

  • Candy

    Just because you feel something doesn’t make it so. You either are, biologically, or you are not. Exactly, you even said what I’m reiterating: they “figured” they were gay. They were not gay. It’s one thing to think it, it’s another to be it.

    You’re telling me to ignorance science and I’m afraid that’s not logical. If someone wants to call themselves a woman, then anyone in the world could just decide to be a man or a woman on a whim. It’s fanciful.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    I said nothing about the science behind it, and my point was intended to be abstract. Feelings are not so easily quantified, and not everyone remembers wanting to be a girl when they were six, to immediately jump to the conclusion that they need gender reassignment surgery as soon as they can. For some, it is confusing and difficult to come to an understanding about who they are. Sometimes they have to try on several different roles before they settle in one that feels right.

    I know several trans people who, early in their life, entered into professions specifically to reinforce their born gender-role. A man going into the military, for instance. As a way of saying “Okay, maybe I’m just not manly enough. If I go into something where I’m surrounded by manly men, acting all manly, maybe that will somehow shake the feelings I’m having.” I know some who figured they were just gay, and tried that for a while. I know some who have transitioned and lived as the opposite sex for years, and then went back because there wasn’t something right. Obviously, minus the body-altering surgery, but dressing, acting, being referred to as the opposite sex, with or without hormone therapy.

    Anyway, my point is, things are not so black and white, and sometimes it can take people a long time… sometimes a lifetime, to come to a realization of who they want to be. Or even have the courage to finally admit it to themselves and make the change in their life necessary to feel comfortable in their own skin. Not everyone fits a convenient label. The science doesn’t really matter, if someone wants to call themselves a woman, why should anyone else have a say in the matter?

  • dcinsider

    Of course. As usual the comments here devolve into transphobia mania. The whole thing is so damn absurd.

  • Jafafa Hots

    You’re making it harder than it has to be, because you are belaboring a point – and that point is basically just “I don’t get this stuff!”

    For example, this painfully constructed paragraph: “If Manning was gay because he, a man, was attracted to other men, and he now says she is a woman, then she is a woman attracted to men. So while she is trans, she is no longer gay.”

    Instead of all of that, all you need say is “While it was initially reported that Manning is a gay man, she has revealed that she is a woman.” Mention trans if you feel the need.

    Particularly because of this horrible sentence: “…and he
    now says she is a woman.”

    I read similar tortured logic from right-wingers mocking transgendered people with false “i don’t get it!” language. Surely you’ve seen similar language referring to gay men. “I just don’t understand! It’s confusing! How do we refer to them?” etc.

    It is easy.
    Chelsea Manning is a woman, Used to be named Bradley, (No legal process is required to change your name, BTW.)
    You and I didn’t know she was a woman before, now we know.

    So write the same way as you would with any other woman, and refer to her past when necessary by simply stating the facts.

    “Oh it’s so HARD to write about this!”
    No it isn’t, that’s bullshit. It’s only hard to write if you’re having trouble with the concept of transgendered people.

    This is not pronoun trouble, it’s acceptance trouble.

  • Ryan

    She is a woman. We use the pronoun “she” for women.

  • Badgerite

    A person is a person is a person. To me, that’s what matters and always has. Who you are.

  • HonoluluBlue

    While you are entitled to your opinion about this case, to impugn my integrity and my belief system is the only vile thing going on in this thread. I am a VERY liberal, progressive Democrat who has spoken out on several occasions about my opposition to combat actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, even while my Son, only 18 at the time, was sent to Iraq in 2003.
    My beliefs about PFC Manning are directly related to his treasonous acts against his country, and that he put his fellow soldiers in harm’s way by releasing over 700,000 battlefield reports of combat actions to WikiLeaks, and have NOTHING to do with his transgendered status, which I believe to be another in a long line of cons that Manning began with his fraudulent enlistment. To be lumped in with the troglodytes of which you condemn is an anathema to my actions as a social commentator and political activist, and the idea that being new to this forum somehow invalidates my argument is laughable.
    All this unnecessary verbiage aside, I will not waver off of the belief that if PFC Manning were a member of my unit while I served, and I became aware of his crimes during a time of war, I would have put a bullet in his forehead, and slept like a lamb, knowing my actions were righteous!

  • HonoluluBlue

    Not that I feel the need to belabor my points, or continue this inane argument with you over my convictions in this matter, but….There is nothing “wishy-washy” about my belief that PFC Manning should be “hanged” for his crime. I use the male sexual identification, because that is what he was when he fraudulently enlisted, and when he was convicted of espionage, which in and of itself is a treasonous act. Since you are obviously not a Veteran, a brief overview of my service: 1 1/2 years with the 82nd Airborne, including a stint in Grenada, and exercises in Honduras, South Korea, and Hawaii; 2 1/2 years in Germany, in the 1st Armored Division, the eastern-most forward deployed unit in the US Army, while the Cold War still raged. I am proud of my service, and my family’s service, as my Grandfather served in WWII, my Father during the Korean War, and my Son, who still serves, spent a year in Iraq, and one in Djibouti, Africa.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Wow, I didn’t realize “edit buttons” were a down-vote topic :)

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Mike, if it were “fairly easy,” why wouldn’t I do it? Am I stupid, mean?

    Your tone is not constructive. It’s actually condescending.

    I realize some people don’t understand why comments like this bother me, but when you scratch them just a little, they have an underlying message that isn’t terribly friendly, or constructive. It’s one thing to say “hey, I know it can be confusing dealing with all of this, but maybe you’d consider saying it this way in the future…” That’s constructive. Your comment was a bit of a lecture, and a bit of condescension.

    And coming on the heels of nearly always getting a complaint when I write about trans issue, regardless of how supportive the post it, and having far too many other bloggers tell me that they have the same problem, writing about these issues, and regardless of how supportive they are, being criticized, it takes its toll, and in the end doesn’t help move the issue forward, but actually moves it backward.

    Final evidence: “Instead, you wrap yourself in faux victim-hood.”

    That’s bitchy drama-queen, that’s not constructive.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    As I noted below in response to someone else, it’s not as easy as people make it out to be, simply changing the pronouns and being done with it. The article can end up coming across in a confusing way. That doesn’t mean you don’t necessarily abide by Manning’s wishes. But it’s a bit more of a challenge, how to write the article more clearly, than some might realize.

  • Macbill

    How brave to come out to the world this way. I thought I had problems coming to grips with being gay. She has a far, harder row to hoe…

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    I believe that many partners begin to look like one another after awhile. My husband and I were often asked if we were brothers. As he became ill, the question turned to asking if he was my father. Like your partner, he found it amusing. He also wanted me to refer to him as daddy. That didn’t happen.

  • Ninong

    I’m having a hard time dropping the name Bradley Manning when talking about his military service. It was Bradley Manning who was on trial. He was convicted as Bradley Manning and discharged as Bradley Manning and he will go down in history as Bradley Manning.

    However, Bradley Manning has announced that she now identifies as Chelsea Manning and would like everyone to use feminine pronouns from now on. Okay. So it’s Chelsea Manning who will be doing time at Leavenworth. Except that if anyone wants to write to her, they will have to address the mail to Bradley Manning.

    I think it might be better if Manning were referred to as Bradley Manning while he was in the Army. Why can’t we say Bradley Manning, who now identifies as Chelsea Manning? Then Chelsea Manning, formerly known as Bradley Manning, for anything following the discharge from the Army on August 21, 2013.

  • Jack

    “Gets you in trouble”?

    Who do you think you are? A kindergarten teacher? John is an adult. He isn’t accountable to you. You can’t “get him in trouble” because there is no cop on the beat policing his words. I’m sure that you and a very small mob of deranged trans activists wish there were such police. But there ain’t. And there’s nothing you can do about it. So LGBs will keep calling out LGBT for the sham that it is. And we’ll keep calling out trans activists as the homophobic, emotionally unstable gangsters that they are.

  • Ninong

    Wikipedia changed from Bradley Manning to Chelsea Manning and used female pronouns throughout. Then, within hours, the profile was locked with a comment that it was under review and no changes would be accepted until August 25. They added that that should not be taken as approval of the profile’s current form.

    Apparently not everyone at Wiki is on board with the change and it’s under review.

  • Val

    Then you admit that he lied under oath on top of everything else he did. What a hero!

  • Ninong

    There were a lot of things going on in Manning’s life at the time. Her own attorney raised all of those issues and went through all of the behavioral problems that were well documented during the months leading up to the incident. The Army disregarded the strong opinion of the brigade psychiatrist that Manning was completely unsuitable for service and should be discharged immediately.

    I realize that Manning’s “regret” speech was crafted with the guidance of her attorney but I think she really does regret harming the country. It’s a balancing act. I don’t consider Manning a traitor. I just think what she did was a violation of her enlistment oath. I think more harm than good was done by the release of all those docs.

  • Ninong

    I googled the incident after I wrote that and the two children were inside a van. They were injured but fortunately they survived. Their father was killed. The bad thing about the shooting of the van was that it was responding to help the injured from the initial shooting.

    Of the more than two dozen men standing around there at the time, it appears from later analysis of the video that only two, maybe three, were clearly carrying weapons. The pilots claimed they mistook the heavy video cameras being carried by the two cameramen as launchers of some type.

    It was not a good situation. It was clearly worse than I previously believed. However, it was still nothing like My Lai. I don’t know of any other war crime the US military was involved in that compares to My Lai. The only man charged was Lt. William Calley and all he served was 3-1/2 years of house arrest.

  • Candy

    I fail to see how that can be so when being transgendered is considered a biological “abnormality.” So he was either always transgendered, or he was not. This is what I meant by being confused about being a gay man.

  • Monoceros Forth

    “‘My country, right or wrong,’ is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, ‘My mother, drunk or sober.’” (G. K. Chesterton)

  • mirth

    Agree. How could she not be.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Yep, that was a lawyer’s game. But I do think after a few years of torture and show trial mockery, this young woman might very well be emotionally damaged.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    There’s been no evolution here. We always supported trans rights. I just happen to disagree with you on some items, and am not afraid to say so :) You’re always welcome back. Just play nice.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Bad judge

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Manning’s background regarding transgendered identity is not shocking or new news. She has a lengthy history of trying to ‘come out’ as trans long before the release of documents. Your bigoted and ‘shocking’ lack of factual history makes you the asshole.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Exactly nothing, I’m sure.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I’m thinking: ‘balcony, cat, jump’. lol

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    That’s funny —- Vera

  • margaretpoa

    It’s been almost six years since I’ve commented here because I’ve had … a disagreement… with the founder of this site but this prompts me to weigh in.

    1) It’s very possible that Chelsea Manning joined the Army, (as Bradley), in order to put together the resources for a transition. I know that’s what I had in mind when I joined the Navy. I can’t fault her for that.
    2) While it is true that being trans in the military is still a big no-no, it’s not entirely true that gender reassignment and the military service are like oil and water. I know for a fact that some military dependents, (though not service members) have had reassignment surgery by military doctors in military facilities and under C.H.A.M.P.U.S.
    3) Being concerned about “wasted” tax dollars is just absurd. The upkeep of any military golf course is more expensive per week than gender reassignment surgery and my own hormones cost me $15 bucks a month and that’s with individual market insurance.
    4) Manning has done a great service to this country, whether you agree with her transgender status or not and as such, deserves as much praise and support as we can muster.

    Finally, though I see that there is still a lot of unnecessary confusion over gender issues, I’m glad to see that there has been some evolution here in that regard. Kudos.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Bull Shit, Manning had a lengthy history of transgendered issues recorded in some detail, even before the cash dump. You are little more than a vile drive by troll bigot. A history of three comments pppffftttt

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    true, I suspect HB is very aware of the mini-max.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Thank you vigilanti drive by.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Now that the Supreme Court has declared corporations as persons, war and murder committed by the State are legitimized as patriotic.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Exactly

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    The US military will not take gender reassignment seriously. Hell, they don’t take epic instances of brutal rape seriously

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    She will celebrate her transition with a pronoun. :-)

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Now that’s not fair Skippy. Sometimes, admittedly not often, I give you an up sign. :)

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Some come here just to down-vote their favorite pain in the ass, who challenges the limits of their marginal world views or abject bigotry.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Transgendered is a magnificent complexity!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Disgusting conflation you got going there judge.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    No, in fact her conscience was correct and she in fact followed military law in reporting war crimes.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Same here. This is fairly new news for the public, but I imagine Firedoglake covered it. I went back and corrected my comments to honor Manning and her enormously difficult and her heroic journey through life.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Indeed it did because she had quite a lengthy history of engaging the transition possibility with officers, shrinks and others in the military. I would suggest that her torture was the result of contempt and retaliation.

  • mirth

    I’m guessing that her “I’m sorry” was a very smart tactic to limited the years she will be imprisoned, although I agree that it was probably her lawyers reasoning that prompted it and not her surely depleted emotional state of mind.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Skippy got it alright ezpz, his cheap shot is repellant.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    No, and that crude bigoted remark is not acceptable. Shame on you Flipper.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    A great deal I imagine, because of her previous history.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “That still didn’t mean the killing was intentional.” Opps, we just wiped out some children. My god that level of denial is beyond even the darkest reaches of cynicism.

  • mirth

    I will identify as one of your down votes, Ninong, because I strongly disagree with your opinion.

    Additionally: Even when well presented, as your opinion is, without fail such comments conclude in a personal, unsubstantiated supposition, your’s being that Chelsea did what she did, took such enormous risks, knowing full-well the potential punishment, out of mere spite. Such words are meant to reduce and demean, and say much more about you than about this activist.

    And if you cannot see her “I regret what I did” as a tactic to limit the number of years she will be imprisoned, then you are not the rich thinker I’ve always assumed you to be.

  • ezpz

    You might be right about the Q. I also thought it meant Queer, but a quick search yielded this:

    GLBTQIA Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Questioning, Intersexed and Ally

    http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/GLBTQIA

  • ezpz

    Nicely done. Whether intentional or not — no pronouns.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “I believe him when he now says he’s sorry for what he did and sorry that he hurt his country.” Ask gulag prisoners about the pleas they make after a mockery of a rigged trial, after a few years of in-house torture. Manning’s twenty something, his life is ruined. Do you seriously think he’s capable of clear reasoning at this stage. And yes, refer to her in all cases as a woman.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I could agree more.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “He took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” Little did he realize that his Commander In Chief was an enemy of the Constitution. There is absolutely no evidence what so ever that he harmed his country by exposing war crimes.

  • mirth

    I don’t have an opinion about the post, except that I appreciate its content and am better informed because of it.

    I weigh in to say that largely unrestricted, intelligent, informative, mostly polite thread conversations, particularly on hot issues, have for the most part become a thing of the past. They can be found even on high traffic blogs, many of which I read every day, but one must wade through a lot of crap to suss out anything worthwhile. This thread, like nearly every Ab thread (and, of course, the posts that provoked them), is a perfect example: a feast for curious minds on important subjects outside one’s personal sphere. As is usual, I read every word everyone contributed.

    Signed,

    A grateful reader

    Oh, and Hello Chelsea!

  • SFExPat

    Sigh. Sometimes it’s even sillier. Because I am gifted with sorta youthful looks even at age almost 60 sometimes my standard-issue male partner is mistaken for my dad, which amuses him but mortifies me.
    People get headaches over the idea that someone can be gay and transsexual.

  • SFExPat

    Manning did not fly planes into buildings. Stop with the false equivalency bullScheisse.

  • SFExPat

    Thanks, John. It is easier for some of us, thank all Deities. For Chelsea Manning, not so much. I hope to be able to contribute to her transition needs in some way and also hope she doesn’t end up another life taken.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Don’t worry concern troll. Manning does not expect any justice from the corrupt American/Service system. His Stalinist show trial proved that. He was declared guilty by Obama while he was being tortured in prison. All that followed was a mockery of American values and Constitutional law.

  • SFExPat

    Thanks.

  • SFExPat

    Elective? WTF do you know about being transsexual?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Bingo

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    A epic American hero and a credit to his uniform and country.

  • AnitaMann

    G’s L’s B’s and T’s are lumped together politically. It’s about fighting for equal rights under the law and for understanding that brings the groups together, even though there are T’s who identify as not Bi or Gay. So it becomes confusing, but it’s a solidarity/strength in numbers issue. I’ve always assumed Q means queer, which different from gay or lesbian… how? Anyone? I’ve never understood that one. I’ve also heard Q stands for questioning.

  • Guest

    I would say the G stands for Gay, and the T stands for Trans..more or less like the L stands for Lesbian, all are part of the GLBTQ community but deal with separate issues.

  • nicho

    Well, joining the military is elective. Nobody has to. It’s their choice. So why should we pay for any medical care for members of armed forces?

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    Why not? Seems to me a person can be whatever they want to be, and change whenever they want to change, and even change back if that’s their choice. It’s not up to you or I to make such a determination for someone else, no matter how much ingrained societal norms encourage us to. Is it confusing? Sure. But we’re just going to have to get over it and come to grips with the fact that we don’t all fit into nice little neat gender roles.

  • nicho

    Agreed. As I said above, Manning followed international law in exposing war crimes. If this has become “treason,” then the US is a failed state.

  • nicho

    I would follow his wishes and use feminine designations. No different than saying, “Mrs. Smith was a cheerleader in high school.” Even if she was known as Becky Jones in high school.

  • nicho

    Actually, Manning lived up to international law and exposed war crimes. If that has become treason, then the US is a failed state.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    It’s all good. :) But it even occurs to me that I’m messing up with my pronouns. So I don’t really blame news organizations, as mentioned in a post above, for not getting it right.

  • http://heimaey.us/ jim morrissey

    Are they? Some people would disagree. Why do people have problems paying for trans surgery but not a whole host of other surgeries that the military pays for? I believe, as someone risking their life for the country, you deserve proper medical coverage. Trans is not elective – you don’t just become a woman/man for the hell of it. Do you also think they shouldn’t cover root canals, or other surgeries because it’s not directly related to their life in the military?

  • ezpz

    Oops, I know you can speak for yourself. I didn’t see this comment when I posted a reply that reflected similar sentiments to SkippyFlipjack.

  • ezpz

    I think Naja pallida meant that she could have been tortured because of this (among other *reasons*), not that she transitioned as a result of the torture.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    It was a joke, but there is a difference between common usage and correct usage.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    Way to twist my meaning. Obviously, I meant how much did the perception of his sexual orientation or gender identity factor into how he was treated? Did the big tough prison guards see him as a sissy boy, and beat on him that much worse? Was he put into solitary confinement to keep him away from the “normal” prisoners? Questions we’ll probably never ever get any answers to, but it’s just something that came to mind the second I saw this article.

  • skwcw2001 .

    a traitor to his uniform and country.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    People will downvote absolutely anything. Post a video of a guy saving a puppy dog’s live on youtube and it’ll still get some downvotes.

    So a gay transgendered person in a happy relationship would appear to be in a hetero relationship?

  • SkippyFlipjack

    Can someone get tortured into trans-hood?

  • SkippyFlipjack

    Let’s hope the AP issues a clarification so everyone can fight about it :)

  • SkippyFlipjack

    I’m just happy that upvotes now shows who voted; easy way of giving props or acknowledging a good point. It would be nice if downvotes showed too, but then Karmanot would get outed as the one who downvotes everything I post :)

  • Mike in Houston

    I’m just pointing out that it’s fairly easy to avoid obvious minefields when it comes to language — especially when dealing with the trans community… you complain a great deal about not being able to discuss transgender issues without being pilloried, yet won’t take constructive editorial advice. Instead, you wrap yourself in faux victim-hood.

    Hating cats aside…

    “couldn’t you have gone to purple by now?” — Antie Mame

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Quite defensive. Though I’ve seen gay people respond that way to straight people, in the comments section even. I think sometimes we’re so accustomed to people having bad ulterior motives that we just assume that everyone has such motives, rather than realizing that sometimes people are agnostic, or even on our side, and it doesn’t help to yell at them about every t that isn’t crossed and every i that isn’t dotted, be that a bad question, or a title you disagree with ;-)

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    That’s an interesting analysis, to see how each media outlet is covering this. I’d be curious what the AP rule is on this, as many would follow that I suspect.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    To underscore the problem transgendered people have to endure when deciding to undergo transition, most major media outlets have decided to ignore Manning’s request to be referred to as female.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/22/manning-gender-journalists_n_3795183.html

    In the case of the New York Times, they say they made the decision — they claim — on the basis of ‘newsworthiness’.

  • Yonatan

    What? The two are completely different things.

  • http://heimaey.us/ jim morrissey

    Not helping him transition would add to that torture, too. :(

  • http://heimaey.us/ jim morrissey

    Yeah, why should the military pay for any medical expenses? If you lose your leg fighting in the war then stop begging for the military to help you out – just go get a job, you taker!

  • Candy

    Pretty much, he was confused. First he’s a gay man with a boyfriend, now he’s a transwoman? You can’t be both.

  • Monoceros Forth

    I wouldn’t say so myself if only because “being hung” really does mean something else these days…

  • Ninong

    You’re right. But should Manning have done what he did the way he did it? I don’t think so. I believe him when he now says he’s sorry for what he did and sorry that he hurt his country.

  • nicho

    maybe you mean hanged?

    Despite pedants, either is acceptable.

  • nicho

    It would have been possible for Manning to release that video to the
    Senate and House Armed Forces Committees and Intelligence Committees

    Where it would have been put under lock and key — and soundly ignored.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    Myself, I was thinking that the only military prison for women is the Naval Consolidated Brig, in Miramar… and quotes from Top Gun keep coming to my mind.

  • nicho

    who should be hung in Washington Square,

    Why in New York, of all places?

  • Ninong

    It would have been possible for Manning to release that video to the Senate and House Armed Forces Committees and Intelligence Committees instead of the public. I respect your view, I just don’t agree with it.

    I expect your response will be that they already knew, and maybe you’re right. Probably they didn’t know anything about that particular video clip but they certainly knew the gist of how the military historically distorts information, even when reporting to Congress.

  • Monoceros Forth

    As many seconds as you deserve, sparky.

  • nicho

    Oh, no. I’m sure the order from on high is to continue the torture for the rest of her term.

  • nicho

    Especially in the “trans” area. I’ve been out since 1971 and very involved in the LGBT community and I don’t pretend to understand it. I don’t judge anyone, but it’s very confusing issue. One problem is that some members of the trans community — probably with good reason — tend to become hyper-defensive when discussing it. And that doesn’t help.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    It makes me wonder how much of his reported poor treatment in detention had to do with this.

  • rerutled

    Being a transgendered woman in no way permits Manning to avoid paying for ‘criminal treasonous acts’, or ‘hard time he will face in Leavenworth’. In fact, it has no impact on the conviction or sentence whatsoever. So I don’t see your very pointedly using ‘He’ for Manning as anything but a bigoted slander against a transgendered person you appear not to like.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    The NSA still doesn’t even know exactly what information Snowden took. They have no capacity at all to determine such a thing. Which just proves their utter incompetence and every reason why they should not be entrusted with the powers they have been granted.

  • nicho

    It was kind of self-evident. I’m surprised you didn’t think of it. Oh, silly me. “Think” How quaint.

  • Yonatan

    genius..how many seconds did it take you to come up with that retort.

  • nicho

    Yeah — some people feel the same way about Obamabots.

  • nicho

    but he also swore to obey all lawful orders of the President and the officers appointed over him.

    Covering up murder and other war crimes is not a “lawful order.”

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    Being hung seems to be the problem here, or maybe you mean hanged?

    How do you suppose a women’s prison is cushier than one with men in it? Perhaps pink throw pillows?

  • nicho

    Easy solution. Pardon Manning. Let a hero go free.

  • Monoceros Forth

    [throws you a penny] There, I’ve paid you back your share of MA TAX DOLLARS that you’re fretting about. You can rest easy now.

  • Yonatan

    While i have no problem with being Trans in the military, I do have a problem with the military paying for mannings gender reassignment surgery. I am sure that Manning can get some charity/the internet to pay for it, but i dont want taxpayer dollars spent on what is, quite frankly and elective procedure.

  • Ninong

    The Army totally screwed up in the way they handled Bradley Manning. I’m talking about several months before he was ever in a position to do what he did. He even wrote a letter to his commander telling him that he considered himself to be transgender. He threw tantrums, destroyed government property and disobeyed direct orders. He was disruptive. He should have been given a general discharge. It baffles the mind that they placed him in a position where he would have access to the information he stole, even though he hacked into it.

    I feel sorry for Bradley Manning, who is now Chelsea Manning. He took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, but he also swore to obey all lawful orders of the President and the officers appointed over him. He’s right in believing that loyalty to the Constitution comes before any other loyalties but he had to know that what he did, and the way he did it, was a serious violation of the law (aka the Uniform Code of Military Justice).

    His biggest revelation was that the military was lying about the deaths of those cameramen and civilians, including children. That still didn’t mean the killing was intentional. It probably wasn’t. It wasn’t a My Lai type of situation.

    I’m going to be in the minority on this board when I say that I don’t agree with what Manning did or the way in which he did it. He was wrong to think that what he uncovered constituted evidence of a serious threat to his country that justified complete and total disregard for the rest of his oath.

    Actually, I don’t buy the idea that he did it for the reasons his defense claimed. I think he did it out of spite for the way he was treated, or mistreated, by the Army. It was more an act of spite than an act of patriotism.

    I believe Manning when he now says he regrets what he did because he realizes that he hurt his country. His punishment, in my opinion, was just. He will be out in less than 10 years, probably less than 8 years.

  • Jenn348

    Nor is he a doctor :)

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Yep, I’m a big believer in “stupid questions,” because they’re usually not very stupid at all, and if their questions others have, as this one clearly is (because I had to ask someone about it once), then we should encourage them being asked.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    I agree, though they do have a setting I can turn on where after a certain number of downvotes it makes the comment disappear – it’s meant to get rid of trolls, but I fear it would be abused, so I don’t think I have it turned on. I agree that the downvote thing is often just petty on here.

  • dcinsider

    One man’s hero is another man’s enemy. See, e.g., Osama Bin Laden. I get that people see this guy as some kind of hero. I don’t. I see him as an at best misguided fool, and right now as a twisted media whore. I just wish he’d STFU and go away.

  • nicho

    Don’t feel bad. It is a very confusing area for a lot of people. As long as someone’s not being mean about it, not understanding it is not a bad thing.

  • nicho

    As I posted yesterday. The whole downvote thing — unless we know who downvoted — is meaningless. I’m guessing that there are people who just come her to downvote, some who downvote anything that criticizes Obama, or some who are just bots (real bots) who come by an look for keywords and then downvote.

  • ezpz

    Agree.
    If anything, she was probably putting it off until after the trial and sentencing on counsel’s advice.

    I’m sure it’s not easy being her. My heart goes out to her and I wish her peace.

  • ezpz

    Fair enough.

  • ezpz

    John, let me first thank you for your most kind closing words. They are very much appreciated.

    And thank you for your detailed reply. It’s also appreciated, and yes, it does make things clearer.

    Your explanation conjures up the memory of someone I knew many years ago. He was born male, but identified and dressed as female. So I guess that makes him trans (or her, sorry if I’m not well versed on this and the proper use of gender pronouns). BUT —she was attracted to women, thus making her a lesbian?

    BTW: She was married to a woman, a very famous opera singer. I think they’ve since divorced. Not sure, as we’ve lost touch.

    Thanks again, John!
    :)

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Yeah, and I agree with what someone wrote below, I don’t think it’s fair to suggest that this is is some ploy or trick. No one comes out as trans, quite literally to the world, because they think their life is going to be easier.

  • A_nonymoose

    It’s not a joke, but I think it’s in danger of being trivialized.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Mike, it’s over-generalizations not based on the actual fact of what I wrote that get me into trouble.

    As for the pronouns, you might have noticed that they change in the story when I get to the point of explaining Manning’s preference for how he should be called. But of course, yet again, I’ve insulted someone by trying to be sensitive to Manning’s concerns.

    Do you not understand that you’re creating a climate in which no one will want to write about these stories in the future?

    And btw, I hate cats.

  • Monoceros Forth

    It must be you who cannot read, as I said the acts he committed were treasonous, not that he was convicted of treason.

    No you didn’t. You flatly called Manning a “convicted traitor” without any wishy-washy language about how his acts were treasonous. Are you capable of parsing even your own words?

    …and a Veteran.

    Well, recruitment standards have fallen off a cliff in recent years so I can almost believe it. Which military base’s mailroom did you serve your time in?

  • nicho

    Let’s remember that anticipating this move might have been the only thing that kept her sane during her years of torture at the hands of the fascists.

  • nicho

    By whose standards? The murderers in the military and in the administration?

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Well, you don’t want me to write about Manning, trust me :) I thought Gaius might, since the government secrets issue is his bailiwick, but he’s been understandably busy writing about the Greenwald fiasco, with them detaining his boyfriend/partner.

  • http://firefeeder.blogspot.com/ Stratplayer

    He is using this ruse to avoid paying for his criminal, treasonous acts, and avoid the hard time he will face in Leavenworth.

    And you know this how?

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    I’m not sure what your comment has to do with Chelsea Manning or anything I’ve written. He identified as gay before, and has had boyfriends. Now that he is a woman, if he is still attracted to men, he would be straight. And obviously if he is a trans woman attracted to women he would be a lesbian. That is what I wrote, and that is still accurate.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Well, I’m guaranteed to explain this poorly, but being gay means you are primarily attracted to member of the same-sex. Being trans means (roughly) that the gender you identify yourself as is not the same that you appear to have been born with. AGain, the language is tricky, but the idea is that Manning was born male, and now realizes that he’s female. That’s transgender. Whether or not he’s attracted to the same gender he is determines if he is gay. If his gender is now female, and he’s still attracted to men, then he’s not gay. You look to the gender the person says they are, then look to the gender they’re attracted to do determine their sexual orientation. Get the difference?

    And that downvote that someone gave you was simply rude. You asked a fair, and obvious, question that a lot of people would have. You should be welcome to ask it, rather than having the PC police come down your throat when you clearly are being sympathetic. /rant

  • dcinsider

    Dude is a lot mixed up.

  • Jeremy Hodder

    seems more like you don’t spend anytime reading anything, just browsing article titles. typical ignorant american. as for talking about media whores your country is at the top.

  • Monoceros Forth

    Hoo boy. Yeah, announcing the desire for gender reassignment is just going to make his life sooo much easier now. Ask anyone who’s done it.

  • dcinsider

    However, that does not mean that Manning’s conscience was correct.

  • Mike in Houston

    John – it’s the way you write about transgender issues that gets you into trouble. You could have easily written this post — even with the “shocking” headline (although the timeline of information belies that this is completely “new” news) — without mis-gendering Manning.

    For example you posted:

    “Manning, before announcing that he was a woman, had previously acknowledged being gay. Manning also indicated that he might be transgender.

    Now that he – Manning asked to be referred to as “she” in the future – she has acknowledged being transgender, it is no longer clear if Manning is gay.”

    Could easily have read:

    Prior to today, Manning had previously acknowledged being gay and as well as struggling with gender identity issues. Today’s announcement acknowledges her being transgender, but does leave questions regarding her sexuality.

  • jomicur

    Quite evidently, so are you.

  • Jeremy Hodder

    no what you are is vile and obviously brainwashed. what your country is doing is traitorous to it’s worldly “neighbours”. your country cannot sink into the mire it has created fast enough and neither can people like you.

  • fletcher

    I first read this story at the Madison Capital Times, the online newspaper formerly known as print.

  • Jeremy Hodder

    honolulublue you are a traitor to the very people you live with in your country and to your neighbours, people who think like you thankfully are the dying breed and you know it, that’s why you get nastier and nastier. you are the evil that continues to try and invade and infect humanity and love.

  • zadig

    Bradley Manning may be hung, Chelsea is unlikely to be. And whether she should be hanged is still a matter for discussion (I don’t think so, but just my opinion).

    z

  • HonoluluBlue

    You may very well believe that this criminal’s attempted con, and my acknowledgement and belief that he is using hormone therapy to perpetrate his con, is somehow prejudicial against the LGBT community. Nothing could be further from the truth. He is using this ruse to avoid paying for his criminal, treasonous acts, and avoid the hard time he will face in Leavenworth. Manning had no intention of abiding by his enlistment oath, or obeying the auspices of the UCMJ, therefore he should BE HUNG, and whichever sex he identifies as has no merit in this case.

  • HonoluluBlue

    I am an avid reader, and a Veteran. It must be you who cannot read, as I said the acts he committed were treasonous, not that he was convicted of treason. He was convicted of 6 violations of the Espionage Act (along with theft and computer fraud). Even though the government was unable to prove he aided the enemy, just the fact that he released OVER 700,000 battlefield reports of combat actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are enough for me to assert that he should be hung! This is not a gender-assignment issue, it is a con perpetrated by a con man who enlisted in the Army under false pretenses, and is trying to con his way out of paying for his crimes!

  • quax

    Not matter how you stand on the issue I think it is clear Manning followed her conscience.

  • http://heimaey.us/ jim morrissey

    I wasn’t shocked, but I think a lot of people are/were. It’s hard to nail down the trans thing and make everyone happy. I referred to a woman, whose partner transitioned from female to male, as gay recently and I was chewed out. She’s no longer gay – she has a boyfriend, I was reprimanded! OK, I said. Geesh. Fine. To be fair, I’m sure it’s extremely confusing on their end to have do explain the situation over and over, but just because someone is with someone of the opposite gender, who they love, doesn’t mean they aren’t gay (in my mind).

  • ezpz

    Thanks.

  • nicho

    Maybe that’s why there is “G” and “T” — because they are separate. Otherwise, there would just be “G”. GLBT refers to a group of sexual minorities that are related, but separate. For example, I am gay, but that doesn’t mean I am trans or a lesbian, although we do have many interests in common.

  • http://heimaey.us/ jim morrissey

    I’m curious if they will allow surgery or estrogen to help her transition? I’m guessing she’ll have to wait 35 years to start, but I could be wrong. Either way, I suppose she’s Cheslea now.

  • ezpz

    Perhaps if the US military did take gender reassignment seriously and had not had the anti-gay stance then Manning might not have defected.

    When did exposing war crimes turn into defecting?

    And the indiscriminate killing of Iraqi civilians that Manning exposed WERE war crimes. Yet, those who are responsible guilty walk free:

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/57263/collateral-murder-shooters-bradley-manning-exposed-go-free-while-he-goes-to-prison

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/bradley-manning-leaks_n_3788126.html

  • josephsinger

    I see this all is a great big joke to you calmly drinking your morning coffee with your cheese Danish.

  • ezpz

    Not being gay or trans, I’m a little perplexed by the following statement from John:

    While many gay people embraced Bradley Manning as a “gay” hero, many others saw Manning as little more than a confused traitor who happened to, embarrassingly, be gay. The same conundrum now confronts the trans community. Do they have a hero or an embarrassment?”

    I’m hoping John or someone can answer this question, which I ask in earnest:

    Is the “trans community” separate from the gay community? If so, what does the “T” stand for in GLBT or GLBTQ?

    As I said, I’m hetero, so I do ask with sincerity.

    TIA

  • Bill_Perdue

    Obama, reagan, the Bushes and the Clintons are traitors, war criminals and mass murderers.

    Ms Manning is guilty only of heroism and upholding her oaths to protect the Constitution and abide by the Geneva Conventions. http://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-law/treaties-customary-law/geneva-conventions/overview-geneva-conventions.htm

  • Bill_Perdue

    This isn’t a big surprise. There have been dozens of trans people who’ve been saying the same thing for years. It was probably not dealt with earlier to prevent transphobia from affecting the sentencing.

    As Chris Hedges notes “The swift and brutal verdict read out by Army Col. Judge Denise Lind in sentencing Pfc. Bradley Manning to 35 years in prison means we have become a nation run by gangsters.” In this case the use of police state and gangster stare are interchangeable. The only criminals in the situation are Reagan, the Clintons, the Bushes and Obama.

    In any case it makes no difference at all. Ms Manning remains a hero for upholding her oaths to protect the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions on War Crimes, to which the United States is a signatory and which all military personnel are obliged, under law, to uphold.

    “The Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols are at the core of international humanitarian law, the body of international law that regulates the conduct of armed conflict and seeks to limit its effects. They specifically protect people who are not taking part in the hostilities (civilians, health workers and aid workers) and those who are no longer participating in the hostilities, such as wounded, sick and shipwrecked soldiers and prisoners of war. The Conventions and their Protocols call for measures to be taken to prevent or put an end to all breaches. They contain stringent rules to deal with what are known as “grave breaches”. Those responsible for grave breaches must be sought, tried or extradited, whatever nationality they may hold.” http://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-law/treaties-customary-law/geneva-conventions/overview-geneva-conventions.htm

  • lantoniou

    So, you do know there are gay transfolk, right? Because…there are. So, Chelsea might very much consider herself a lesbian if her attraction is primarily for women. Just an aside.

  • MyrddinWilt

    Perhaps if the US military did take gender reassignment seriously and had not had the anti-gay stance then Manning might not have defected.

    Whichever side you are on with Snowden and Manning the actions of the Us military have been beyond incompetent. They allowed both access to a vast quantity of information despite a very junior rank. They have chased Snowden off to Russia where he is most likely being debriefed by a very understanding Russian girl friend in the very near future.

    Harassing Greenwald’s BF was beyond stupid. Unless the objective was to encourage him to drop all the secrets immediately.

  • ezpz

    I’m late to the party here, but were the words “shocker” and “shocking” taken out of the headline and the article itself? Some of the comments express disappointment at the use of these words, which are not (or no longer?) there.

    I have to say that I’m a little ‘surprised’ that until now, there’s been no mention here of Manning since the sentencing.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Yes it does, doesn’t it ;)

  • dcinsider

    I was shocked too, as are most people. Surprising as it may seem most of us do not live our lives investigating whether or not someone is transgender. So, when they announce that they are, particularly the timing of this announcement, we are shocked.

    That is a normal reaction. It is not anti-trans. Now, to say that he did this because he is a pathetic media whore who cannot seem to grasp the seriousness of the crimes he committed, and is now making this announcement as some sort of cynical ploy to get more sympathy from the gay community is nauseating, might be considered unfeeling, but that is exactly what he is.

    Ms. Manning is an asshole.

  • noGOP

    perhaps it was shocking to some, not so much to others. whether or not you should have used the term “shocking” seems so trivial

  • rerutled

    Whatever you may believe about Manning’s guilt or innocence: using the incorrect gendered pronoun to someone who has pronounced their gender is considered epithetical — a verbal naming attack, like “spick” for Hispanic, “wop” for an Italian, and others which I won’t repeat, because they’re disrespectful. And while you may not respect Manning’s actions, expressing that by denying Manning’s humanity in this way is not how people who believe in Constitutional rights go about things.

  • A_nonymoose

    And in other news, Edward Snowden has announced that he is changing his name to the unpronounceable symbol “ღ”.

    (Sorry, I don’t mean to dis Bradley/Chelsea; it just seems so pop-cultural-y, if you get my meaning.)

  • UncleBucky

    It is dismaying, not shocking. Dismaying not because Manning is identifying as female and contemplating a change, but that it gives such ammunition to those detractors of anyone NOT masculine, not military, not law-and-order, not puritan/calvinist, not conservative.

    True, it will be a minor wave of Arrrgghhhhh’ing by the trollites, but no worry. I just hope that no one decides to “take it out” in a rage on someone contemplating a gender reassignment.

    This is a fight between those who maintain that War and Murder are human qualities and those who consider that human qualities derive from the Golden Rule. I go with the latter.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    I was shocked. But I find the truth doesn’t often get you very far in these discussions :)

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    It’s the magic of the edit button.

  • UncleBucky

    You cat-hater, you…

    ;o)

  • UncleBucky

    Nope, treason was not among the charges.

    I presume you are not a lawyer? Or a reader?

  • caphillprof

    Bradley Manning could not countenance the official lies covering up a US war crime, the slaughter of innocents including two Reuters journalists in the suburb of New Baghdad in the years after “we had won the Iraq War.” This truth remains whether he is Bradley or Chelsea.

  • BostonJohn

    Huge story yes, shocking no. Sorry that you feel like my disgreeing with the use of the word is “jumping down your throat” I’m a big fan of Americablog. I merely disagree with the headline. Have a good day.

  • BostonJohn

    PS – I agree that it is huge news, but still disagree that it is shocking. Have a good day.

  • caphillprof

    He was not convicted of treason.

  • BostonJohn

    Interesting. When your comment first posted, this paragraph was missing: “Oh, and thanks for proving my maxim that it’s impossible to write about transgender issues without someone jumping down your throat. Which only motivates people not to write about these issues at all. And as noted in the story, not-writing about these issues is the opposite of what is needed.” Now it’s magically there after I respond.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    How is it not shocking? The man is sentenced to 35 years in prison and the next day announces that she’s a woman. That’s rather huge news. Yes, Manning had suggested that he might have some internalized conflict ove rhis gender identity, kinda sorta maybe. That was it. This is a huge story. And hugely important for the trans community, whether it spins for them or against them, still hugely important.

  • matt227

    No. He is right. That may not be your intent John but it comes off as such.

  • BostonJohn

    How is it shocking? There have been reports about his gender identity issues for months. Comparing this to Putin or the Pope coming out is nonsense.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    If Vladimir Putin announces he’s gay, you’d better believe it would be a shocker. I’m not going to dumb down the news for you, I’m sorry. This was as shocking revelation, and a huge story. And it would be just as shocking it the Pope came out as gay, and I’d write the same headline.

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  • HonoluluBlue

    HE’S a convicted traitor, still playing angles. HE knows that being convicted of treasonous acts in a military prison is likely to cause him the same treatment as a child-molester in a civilian prison. HE is angling to be given hormone treatments so he can be assigned to a women’s correctional facility to do his time. Don’t be fooled again by this criminal who should be hung in Washington Square, not given “3 hots and a cot” at some cushy federal women’s prison!

  • BostonJohn

    I expected better from John and Americablog than to use “shocker” in the headline to this story. It’s been public knowledge that Chelsea has been struggling with her gender identity while living as Bradley. If an LGBT identified blog is going to call this a “shocker” then what should we expect from the rest of the media? Disappointed.

  • Kurt

    Dude is a little mixed up. . .

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