Star Trek promotes bestiality because Kirk sleeps with alien chicks, religious right says

Being a huge Star Trek fan, I’m not sure how I missed this. But apparently a religious right preacher is very upset that the new Star Trek movie, “Star Trek Into Darkness” promotes bestiality. How? Because it shows Captain Kirk having sex with alien women.

Seriously.

Right-wing preacher Kevin Swanson discussed his concerns on a radio show last month. The scene he’s particularly worried about is this one, in which Kirk wakes up in bed with two women who are of an alien species:

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Let’s just let the preacher explain his concerns about Star Trek for himself:

Swanson: Do I really want to take my kids to watch a movie that implicates the good guy in the film as mating with the wrong species- but not just one, but two.

Beuhner: Well you know I could understand that Christians would get upset if it was a male of a different species. No actually, I’m not sure that the bestiality and the homosexuality are really all that different.

Swanson: So uh Dave I said to myself we’re not gonna go see that movie. So, you know, you gotta draw the line somewhere don’t ya? I mean, ay yay yay. And how many Christians asked that question? I actually did a survey, I mean I went on to Google and kind of googled, you know, Christian sites, I mean I try not to put the wrong kind of wording into the Google search, cause if you do that, you can be in a heap of trouble. So I did a little search, turns out there was a Catholic site, had a little forum discussion on the issue. And nobody brought up Leviticus 18 Dave, and of course the whole premise of this is that within an evolutionary construct there is no real problem with speciation and cross-species mating, there’s no problem with that at all, in fact that’s how you evolve, that’s how you get evolution, and so the end result of course is that evolution has no basic problem with bestiality or cross-species mating. Okay? Now some of you are saying that I can’t believe these guys are saying this on this radio program. I can’t believe I’m saying this either. They are going places where no man has gone before. Or should.

It’s interesting that the preacher focused on Kirk having sex with this particular alien, as she looks rather human, when you have Kirk in bed with this alien in the first (new) Star Trek movie:

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In alien-racist terms, isn’t a green one worse than a human-colored one?

And let’s not even get started on all the hot alien sex that the original Captain Kirk had on the original Star Trek:

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Okay, they weren’t quite kissing, but it was still a very sexual scene.

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Uptight alien kiss.

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Exotic alien kiss.

And in this one both were under a form of mind control, but still, what if they had Kirk making out with a dog?

And in this one both were under a form of mind control, but still, her hair is green.

As for that last lady, I’m not a big fan of Star Trek promoting human-troll sex either:

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And then there’s this one that wasn’t inter-species, but I wonder how the fundies felt about it at the time (let alone now):

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This kiss was forced upon them by evil alien mind control as well – it was a cute way to get around the public’s concern about inter-racial relationships, yet still make a point. Actress Nichelle Nichols played Uhura, the black communications officer kissing Kirk in the photo above. If you’ve never heard her story of talking to Martin Luther King about her role on Star Trek, you should read on. It’s great. From NPR:

Ms. NICHOLS: I went in to tell Gene Roddenberry that I was leaving after the first season, and he was very upset about it. And he said, take the weekend and think about what I am trying to achieve here in this show. You’re an integral part and very important to it. And so I said, yes, I would. And that – on Saturday night, I went to an NAACP fundraiser, I believe it was, in Beverly Hills. And one of the promoters came over to me and said, Ms. Nichols, there’s someone who would like to meet you. He says he is your greatest fan.

And I’m thinking a Trekker, you know. And I turn, and before I could get up, I looked across the way and there was the face of Dr. Martin Luther King smiling at me and walking toward me. And he started laughing. By the time he reached me, he said, yes, Ms. Nichols, I am your greatest fan. I am that Trekkie.

(Soundbite of laughter)

Ms. NICHOLS: And I was speechless. He complimented me on the manner in which I’d created the character. I thanked him, and I think I said something like, Dr. King, I wish I could be out there marching with you. He said, no, no, no. No, you don’t understand. We don’t need you on the – to march. You are marching. You are reflecting what we are fighting for. So, I said to him, thank you so much. And I’m going to miss my co-stars.

And his face got very, very serious. And he said, what are you talking about? And I said, well, I told Gene just yesterday that I’m going to leave the show after the first year because I’ve been offered – and he stopped me and said: You cannot do that. And I was stunned. He said, don’t you understand what this man has achieved? For the first time, we are being seen the world over as we should be seen. He says, do you understand that this is the only show that my wife Coretta and I will allow our little children to stay up and watch. I was speechless.

I get chills reading that story.


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  • Jonathan Hughes

    God really wants the heart figuratively to be circumcised. A broken and contrite heart. 9 places in KJV . Deuteronomy 30:6, Deuteronomy 10:16
    ;Jeremiah 4:4 , Jeremiah 9:26; Colossians 2:11-15;Acts 7:51;Leviticus
    26:41;Romans 2:29, Romans 3 >> 30,

  • Jonathan Hughes

    Incest happened more than you think is in scripture. That activity did not grieve God away bringing the angel of death.

  • Jonathan Hughes

    People that think the 6000 year old thing are deceivers. They don’t have the truth.They act like they have it.

  • Jonathan Hughes

    The people against the gay zoosexual etc, are the people that are perverted perverting the words of the living God perverting Justice having perverted lips etc.
    This is the condensed version.
    People would like the KJV to be a thermonuclear weapon. Sex is not in these verses. All of the verses describe the character of people against the zoo, Jam::1 20 – 21, Pro: 6:12, Pro: 17: 4, Jer: 24,2, Sam: 17,28, Pro: 17:23, Pro: 15 4, Job: 6 – 30, Pro: 12 -8, Isa: 30 -12, 1 Tim: 6 -5, Deut: 16 -19, Job 8 -3, Jer: 23 -36, Gal: 1 -7, Ecc:, 5 -8, Mic: 3 -9, Pro: 19 1, Pro: 4
    24, Pro: 3, 32, Pro: 12; 22, Pro: 20 :10, Pro: 6;16, Heb: 12:15: Isa: 59 -3, Mat: 15 – 11, Mark, 7 – 15, Mark 13:14.

  • Jonathan Hughes

    All of us are beasts according th o the KJV. Hate will never admit it. KJV, Ecclesiastes 3:18:20:
    18I
    said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God
    might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are
    beasts.
    19For
    that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing
    befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all
    one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
    20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

  • Jonathan Hughes

    You are right. The non human animal has non concept of human law. Why then marry according to human law?

  • Jonathan Hughes

    The religious preachers have Satan in-them looking like an angel of light. Satan can literally look like an angel of light. Religious people do not want people to know that. Hence their art work. Religion and police are more closely entwined than you think. Religious people hired a person to arrest Jesus. Police arrest.

  • Jonathan Hughes

    We fell. Death is here and everywhere. That will change.

  • Jonathan Hughes

    Why the preachers are preaching against the sexual names is because they are at war. They know nothing about Jesus who does not war at all. That is why they rush to war so easily.

  • Jonathan Hughes

    God made sex. Religions follow the one who is anti sex. That is why celibacy is so highly prized by the catholic church. That is why circumcision was highly honored ritual when the KJV says it is not what God wants.

    9 places in KJV says the heart figuratively is to be
    circumcised not the sexual organs at all. Deuteronomy 30:6, Deuteronomy 10:16
    ;Jeremiah 4:4 , Jeremiah 9:26; Colossians 2:11-15;Acts 7:51;Leviticus
    26:41;Romans 2:29, Romans 3 >> 30,

  • Jonathan Hughes

    Religious rights nuts are guided by the same spirit that wanted Jesus dead namely the devil. That is why they say the same of the zoo. Jesus is not in it. Religions took God’s word and made a mishmash of nothing out of it hoping no one would decode the mess. I have done that. I have a lot of notes.

  • Jonathan Hughes

    The show shows what is in the mind. The sex is wanted by people being repressed. That is why there is a war against it. People need to relax about it even as Kirk is relaxed about it. People watched it not even having a problem. Someone makes a name and all of a sudden people are attacking a name.

  • Jonathan Hughes

    Great observation!

  • Daisy Berliner

    I thought you’d find this little nugget from Europe interesting. Germany recently banned all forms of zoophilia which triggered the world’s first zoophile-rights / bestiality-rights demonstration: http://www.equalityforall.net/en/news/worlds-first-zoophile-rights-demonstration-in-berlin-february-1-2013

  • Mitch

    Dammit Jim!..Its a movie not real life!

  • ArthurH

    According to the book “The Moose That Roared,” a history of Jay Ward Productions, the Stokey Bear episode of Dudley DoRight ran only once in the Fall of 1960 and was withdrawn from further use after complaints from the government agency owning the copyright on Smokey Bear. But considering some subsequent court rulings, the episode would come under the legal definition of parody and could be shown once more. The current owner of Dudley DoRight is Disney.

  • Sweetie
  • pappyvet

    Just when you think they’ve found the bottom of the crazy pit,they find another level

  • Ninong

    Yes, but his half-sister Sarai bore Abram no children, which is why he began having children with the house maid, Hagar — a practice Strom Thurmond would copy. When Abram was 86, he fathered Ishmael through Hagar.

    Then a miracle happened and Abraham (the new name God gave him), at the age of 100, fathered Isaac through Sarah (new name God gave her), who was God only knows how old by then. In any case, Sarah was quite old when she had her first child — the Bible says she died at 127. Not to worry, after Sarah died, Abraham took a new wife, a concubine, Keturah, who bore him six more sons. Notice that the Bible doesn’t mention daughters. That’s because only boys count. Girls are second class citizens and not worthy of mention. A practice carried on today by the descendants of Abraham.

    Then God told Abraham to cut off the tips of baby boys’ penises, and Abraham did as God told him. He even circumcized himself and his grown sons. Ouch!

  • stoneyage

    Of course God had to permit incest back then. His hands were tied. He had only planned to create two people and leave them responsible for populating the planet. And guess what? The father of the faith, Abraham, was married to his half-sister Sarah! Part of the moral values Christians boast about and claim as their own?

  • stoneyage

    BTW, did any human engage the tribbles in sex? lol

  • stoneyage

    What! you must be out of your mind. “Have [you] not heard the chimes at midnight?”

  • stoneyage

    Their god is obsessed with sex, so I guess it follows.

  • nevilleross

    These are some who believe that this story of hers is a complete fantasy, and the she never met Dr. King.

  • nevilleross

    Which is a result of all the people reacting to the way that Next Generation,Voyager, and Enterprise were with regards to the characters (as has been said, ‘be careful what you’ll wish for-you’ll get it [and may not like it.’])

    As it is, there’s NOTHING wrong with the current Star Trek movies, other than people like you don’t like Kirk & Co. Face it, people; the franchise was on life support, and Abrams, Orci, & Kurtzman threw it a life-line (I’d have loved to see the famous JMS and Peter Jackson tackle Star Trek, but the former’s considered a has-been in the movie industry, while the latter will rarely leave New Zealand to film a movie.)

  • nevilleross

    I want to see you write a better episode, and not piss off the religious right (which is sadly, most Trekkers).

  • Sweetie
  • benb

    Uh…how do we know the two alien women are of a different species? I suppose if Swanson had never seen an Australian Aborigine or a dark skinned African, he would think they were of a different species, too. Just because they come from another planet doesn’t mean they are of a different species. On Earth the nearest species are chimps with 98% DNA that’s the same as humans; are we suppose to think these alien women share more or less DNA with humans than chimps?

    Oh, and the New Kirk looks hot in his sliver underwear….

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Spit and dribble works

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I like the idea that when the water broke humanity was born.

  • Tor

    This says more about Swanson than it does about Star Trek.

  • condew

    You’ve reminded me of Larry Nivan’s “Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex” and the mortal danger Lois Lane was in.

  • Ninong

    Oh, no! You don’t mean Eve had children fathered by Cain or Seth do you? That would be incest. Maybe it was a miracle and no sex was required?

    Anyway, we started all over again with Noah, who is a descendant of Seth, and his three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth. Apparently we’re all descendants of Shem. Then when we get down to Abraham, we have to figure out if we’re descendants from his union with Hagar (the house maid) or Sarah, his wife who had her first child, Isaac, very, very late in life. That was another miracle.

    If you want to have some fun, get into a “discussion” with a Fundie about the Genesis version of “creation.” It can be hilarious. Especially if you get one who is sincere and trying his best to convince you of the Genesis version of creation. The Flood is another good topic to ask them to explain.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    In Santorum’s league it’s probably man on parakeet.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    But very old drivel dribbles.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I always ask: “From where did the second woman come? The Bible doesn’t mention little Eve. OMG, you don’t—–mean, oh no—incest?

  • http://fighttherightwingnuts.blogspot.com/ mike31c

    WTF is wrong with religious-right-wing-nut-jobs and their obsession with having sex with animals? I am keeping my pet dog away from these freaks!

  • cary0

    It’s amazing how obsessed these Christian preachers with sex. Bestiality. Homosexuality. Seems to me that since they are so obsessed with the subject, perhaps they should be working harder against the rape of children, the rape of women, the rape of men, sexual slavery, etc. I’ve not heard much from them on these problems.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    I think JJ Abrams has started to buy his own hype, and his creativity has suffered for it. Fringe was an Abrams creation, and it was pretty reasonable as far as story went, and I think Walter was probably one of the more compelling characters in a scifi series in a long time… assuming you could avoid throwing stuff at the television whenever they delved into trying to explain the pseudo-science.

    I think half the problem with so many series these days is that networks are loathe to permit writers to serialize. They want a show that anyone can jump into at any time, without having to watch any previous episodes to know what is going on. So you essentially end up with a bunch of empty characters that do nothing but hate on each other, accomplishing nothing, for 45 minutes a week.

  • Monoceros Forth

    It’s just episode after episode of the main characters being pissed off at each other…

    I suspect that some screenwriting class or other decided not long ago decided that the chief purpose of a television show was to show us “Conflict(TM)” rather than to tell a story or show people confronting and solving challenges. So we gets shows treating us to interminable squabbles between unpleasant idiots motivated solely by personal beefs that I couldn’t care less about. See also Cloverfield (thanks, J. J. Abrams!)

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    At least soap operas have a story. So far, Defiance set up an elaborate back story… that you’d only know if you went online to read it, because they haven’t really covered it in any clarity in the show, and then have basically done nothing in the show itself. It’s just episode after episode of the main characters being pissed off at each other, while unimportant side characters they introduce randomly die.

  • Sweetie
  • larry

    I might have missed that one. But I never miss an opportunity to remind people that not only did Nell lust for Horse, but Horse lusted right back. (but even liberal little me is not ready to see them marry)

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    It was in the novelization, and generally accepted as canon.

  • ArthurH

    Special effects technology being primitive and costly in the 1960s, “Star Trek” relied on a lot of plots where the occupants of other planets looked and acted human. Gene Roddenberry explained this as the work of earlier space explorers transplanting the human species to numerous other planets. These explorers may even have been the genetic equivalents of humans. So what’s to say those space chicks and us have a common ancestor? Oh, that’s right! If it isn’t mentioned in the Bible it isn’t so.

  • ArthurH

    But then some of them grew up to be preachers who, unable to concoct a good Sunday sermon, attack Captain Kirk and Harry Potter. Next they’ll be questioning Han Solo’s relationship with Chewbacca!

  • ArthurH

    No doubt envy. Capt. Kirk was apparently so virile that in the “Blink of an Eye” episode he was selected by a race of people sped up so fast you couldn’t see them to help repopulate their planet. Talk about “Wham Bam thank you, ma’m.” He must be so green with envy he may qualify as one of those aliens.

  • RichQ

    Just when you think they couldn’t get any dumber or more bestiality obsessed! I’m surprised that one Million Moms didn’t jump on this long ago. I don’t think the opinion of a few christian Yahoos is going to negatively impact the Star Trek box office receipts. I never go to movie theaters but Star Trek into Darkness is on my rental list. The first film was great and I expect the same of this one.

  • ArthurH

    Aw come on! Didn’t Dudley DoRight suffer enough grief from that episode where Snidley Whiplash hypnotized Stokey the Bear to start instead of put out forest fires without bringing this up? But then, maybe we should introduce Stokey to Kevin Swanson. Plutonic, of course!

  • 2patricius2

    I recently got the results of a DNA test, and not only do I have a small amount of Neanderthal DNA in my genetic makeup, but I have an even larger amount of Denisovan DNA. I’m sure lots of those antigay people have similar ancestry.

    Incidentally, a recent issue of National Geographic had a chart showing that humans share 18% of our genes with baker’s yeast. The question I have, is whether the number of genes antigay people share is much higher…..:-)

  • Gary Harmer

    Speaking of “aliens”…I wonder what planet this idiot “preacher” is from! It’s just another example of how stupid, and dare I say, ignorant these “religious” people are. Holy shit…I just saw a little kitten curled up with a German Shepard…better hurry and call the thought police!

  • John (not McCain)

    Where does it say that Saavik is half Romulan? I’ve never heard that before. I did hear a rumor that if Enterprise had continued it would have been revealed that T’Pol was half Romulan.

  • TheOriginalLiz

    Well, dang – I guess I’m gonna have to break down and see the movie.

  • rmthunter

    Actually, he’s right, but it only would have happened among the very earliest life forms before the rise of eukaryotes, which if I’m not mistaken is when the genetic markers developed that rendered cross-species combinations either infertile or non-viable.

    I doubt he was thinking about single-celled organisms, though.

  • larry

    I’m surprised the Christian right never attacked Jay Ward and the longest running bestiality joke on TV, on children’s TV no less: the affair, clearly discussed on Dudley Do Right, between Dudley’s girlfriend Nell — and his horse. Google it and you’ll see. Better yet, find a few episodes on youtube. It’s bestiality at its beasty best!

  • BillFromDover

    Could ya imagine the outrage if this were an illegal alien?

  • Jolosturo

    So let me get this straight….crazy RW guy thinks if you are a different color, you’re a beast and if you come from a different place, you’re a beast? Talk about a racist prick!

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Well done. Indeed: Human + alien seems to be integral to the entire Trek sub-genre.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    We all have our hobbies. One of mine is science fiction.

  • http://poodyheads.wordpress.com/ Papa Bear

    Which, I believe, is proof that society can’t change people, it can only change the target of their fears…

  • http://poodyheads.wordpress.com/ Papa Bear

    As I recall, they thought Sarek was marrying his human “pet”…

  • http://poodyheads.wordpress.com/ Papa Bear

    Jeffery Combs never fails to have fun with any role he’s given. Although famous for his horror films, I was amazed at all the different roles Star Trek gave him to do…

  • http://poodyheads.wordpress.com/ Papa Bear

    Between reviewing what came before in the story, and hinting at what is to come, you actually get about two minutes of story advancement each week.

    That’s because it’s basically a soap opera, set in a future time…
    :-(

  • Bomer

    There was also Dr. Crusher with the ghost alien guy. Episode 166 “Sub Rosa” (thank you Google).

  • Ninong

    “Gay” people don’t exist. That’s why one of those Fundie Christian outfits that has an online news site put out some really hilarious news about “Homosexual” winning a certain race. What happened is that they set their computer’s censor to automatically change the word “gay” to “homosexual” in any AP reports they put out. It’s against AP’s rules to change anything at all but that didn’t stop them.

    AP was reporting on a race that Tyson Gay won and when the AP story appeared on this Fundie Christian site the word “Gay” was changed to “Homosexual” every time it appeared in the story.

    http://espn.go.com/olympics/trackandfield/story/_/id/9415438/tyson-gay-wins-200-nationals-season-leading

  • Sweetie

    1. Him falling for her was not believable.
    2. The episode was clearly about trying to use moral relativism to excuse quackery (homo-to-hetero conversion).
    3. It was very obvious that the love interest was female (and had to be), and the rest of the “androgynous” characters were similarly obvious.

    The only thing going for it is that it made the case that one’s sexuality is an essential part of one’s character. Unfortunately, it also made it seem quite irrational and frivolous, with bleak coldness being the alternative. It was “two sides to every story” false objectivity at work.

  • Sweetie

    Voyager is better than Enterprise.

  • mark_in_toronto

    Next thing you know they’ll be screaming, “Oh my god, there’s pornography on the internet!”

  • Ninong

    They are dumber than dirt. I feel sorry for their poor children. What if one of them wants to be a medical doctor? How could they possibly not consider everything in virtually every class sinful heresy? Heaven forbid they choose paleontology or geology. Poor kids!

  • Ninong

    They don’t believe in evolution. Therefore, only Adam and Eve and their descendants are humans. God created Adam and Eve and God created all the animals and if the other party to the sexual intercourse was in any way different from Adam and Eve, then it’s bestiality.

    No doubt they’re having a difficult time with the recent studies that suggest the possibility that Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis interbred. Of course, they probably don’t believe in Homo neanderthalensis anyway since they think everything got started only about 6,000 years ago.

    I sometimes wonder how many TV channels have to be blocked from the children of these fundie idiots? Anything that touches on evolution in any form whatsoever has to be blocked. The programs that are safe for their children to view must be extremely limited.

  • Jim Olson

    We are an alien species, something less than human, and undeserving of any rights. I just had a nasty exchange with a bigot on another board that I read occasionally, and it was plain to me that this supposedly “Christian” individual thought that my entire right to exist was an abomination. Fortunately, the moderator of the board concurred that he had crossed a line, and he’s been silenced.

  • Jim Olson

    I am in awe. From memory.

  • 2patricius2

    I guess Kevin Swanson would have problems with Superman’s relationship with Lois Lane. After all, he was a different species as well.

    I think Beuhner really revealed an underlying belief of the antigay crowd when he basically called sex with someone of another human-like species bestiality, and not unlike homosexuality – as though Kirk, having sex with a female of another human-like species was the same as having sex with a horse, and as though homosexuality is akin to having sex with an alien species. I get the impression that some of these people really do think that those of us who are gay are an alien species, the way they talk about us as though we cannot love, and are a danger to children, and are perverse and tools of Satan.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    Enterprise finally started to come into feeling more like real Trek, right about the time they decided to cancel it. Personally, I’m just repulsed by prequels and reboots. They had a perfectly good mythos setup, that millions of people love, why do they have to go back and try to screw with it? Rick Berman said that people were tired of Star Trek, that’s why he wasn’t going to try for another series… and was the impetus for rebooting the whole franchise. I think people are just tired of his shallow Trek, and want Gene’s broader vision back.

    That’s the reason why I absolutely detested the Transformers movies. The original cartoon/comic series had a perfectly acceptable storyline, but they had to go mess with it in a way that was entirely unnecessary and just made it ridiculous.

    Scifi film and television in general is so lacking originality, it is getting tiring. I had such high hopes for stuff like Prometheus… and I’m still waiting for them to actually do something with the series Defiance, the season finale is next week and basically nothing has happened yet in the story!

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    The miniskirts were another feature NBC insisted upon. In the first pilot, ‘The Cage,’ everybody is wearing rather sensible loose-fitting tunic tops and slacks as uniforms — men and women alike.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    All true. The Dax symbiont in general was quite the nympho, eh?

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    This was during the Vietnam war, too — and they also tried to axe Sulu, thinking (probably rightly so) that dumb Americans wouldn’t know the difference between Vietnamese and Japanese. (Turned out that people really didn’t care.)

    I suppose in a way the ‘ensemble cast’ idea was one Roddenberry never quite let go of, considering how he set up Next Gen.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    My feeling was that DS9 was the high point of the franchise on TV, and it went downhill from there. As for the movies? I kind of liked “First Contact” (Next Gen), but I still think “The Voyage Home” was the last decent one, although surpassed by “The Wrath of Khan.”

    I felt the same way Monoceros did about Voyager — “What a bunch of friggin’ idiots.” I also knew from a storytelling point of view, that the long form endless quest is a terrible choice — because every time someone comes up with a new way to get home (wormhole, slipstream engine, magic ooga-booga), we the viewers know that unless we’ve been told the series is ending, whatever it is will always fail miserably.

    As for Enterprise, I really wanted to like it. (I especially liked Jeffrey Combs’ Andorian character, Commander Shran — honorable…and a bit of a douche.) But by the 3rd season, I realized I’d been missing episodes and didn’t particularly care about it, and by the fourth, I watched maybe one episode out of every four aired. (I mean, really — Nazis? That was what they opened with?)

    My objections to the Trek reboot are similar: These people are way the hell too young and untested to be trusted with a brand new super-expensive starship. Far more realistic outcome for that first incident? “Kirk, you were reckless and foolish, and you showed a blatant disregard for the chain of command and failed to follow the orders of your superior officers. We could charge you with mutiny. However, the press is hailing you as a hero, and there’s no denying you saved the planet — so here’s your pension and honorable discharge. Now get the hell out of here, farm-boy.”

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    There’s a story (probably not true) that Tallulah Bankhead attended St Patrick’s and when the priest came down the aisle swinging the incense (like they do) she said, “Nice drag, honey, but your purse is on fire!”

  • Monoceros Forth

    That “androgyny” episode was so so bad.

    Even at the time it came out, having close to zero comprehension of issues of sexual identity, including my own (long story), I distinctly remember feeling cheated. I didn’t quite realize at the time how bad a cheat it was.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I think Roddenberry was a visionary in terms of the future of race relations and an Earth past the cold war, but the women are running around in short skirts and boots. It was a hot look (they all worked it quite well) but it makes the original series incredibly dated.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    NBC didn’t want her on the show and wouldn’t let Roddenberry sign her to a season contract. Instead he had to pay her week by week which actually cost them more for the first season. They were awful to her at every turn hoping she’d quit. She was going to until the meeting with Dr King. I always thought she was great on the show and can’t imagine that bridge without her. The show would have been more interesting if it had been more of an ensemble show. All those characters were interesting and those actors did a great job.

  • JozefAL

    Becca, you should’ve just left it at “Jadzia Dax.” Jadzia was the “unattainable love interest” for a human (Julian Bashir, who had, in fact, been genetically altered as a child by his parents) and was the object of a great deal of flirtation by a Ferengi (Quark).

    Jadzia, further, became involved with an inhabitant of a Brigadoon-like world called Meridian. This other alien was going to leave with Jadzia until Jadzia announced she would stay on Meridian (complications ensued so they parted).

    And then, there was the lesbianism when Jadzia tried to start up a relationship with another female Trill named Lenara Kahn. Previous (opposite sex) hosts for each one’s symbiont had been married and the Dax symbiont’s feelings pushed Jadzia into “reassociation.”

  • Monoceros Forth

    I gave “Enterprise” a good try, better than I gave “Voyager” anyway. I remember watching the pilot episode of “Voyager” and thinking I’d just seen the biggest assortment of idiots ever to be put behind the wheel of a starship and I didn’t bother with the show after that, although eventually I’d catch maybe three or four scattered episodes in late-night reruns. I thought “Enterprise” had a more appealing cast of characters…too bad they all turned out to be idiots, too. And turning the Vulcans into dour, sinister taskmasters was an awful decision.

    The biggest problem I had with the Abrams Star Trek, worse than the plot that was all holes, was that at no time did Kirk or anyone else come across like a professional. One thing that I really liked about the original “Star Trek” was that the show gave a sense, with little touches and bits of backstory worked into various episodes, that Capt. Kirk was a seasoned, experienced man who’d risen through the ranks and had already seen much, both good and bad. Abrams’s version of Kirk, though, is a brash kid who inexplicably gets put in charge of a starship. It’s like that with everybody in Abrams’s movie: it seems like all you have to do to get into Starfleet is show up. About the only guy in the movie who seems like he knows what he’s doing is Bruce Greenwood.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Dang, I forgot her from my list. Then again, Trek VI was a rather forgettable installment in the franchise…

  • Sweetie

    “It was really too bad that Martia doesn’t survive…”

    Characters like that can’t survive. Human banality has to rise above.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    I kind of liked him in The Cage — a tad more wild and unpredictable.

  • JozefAL

    John, you missed what has to be the best one. In “Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country,” Kirk gets a big kiss from a character called Martia (en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Martia ) portrayed by Iman. Now, while getting a kiss from Iman isn’t necessarily a bad thing, Martia is actually of a SHAPE-SHIFTING alien species–and, during the film, she not only appears in her real form (with a sort of birdlike appearance, it’s more bestiality) but also as a little girl (possibility of pedophilia), as Kirk himself (possibility of masturbation’s “final frontier”) and a big, hulking apelike male (possibility of gay bestiality). It was really too bad that Martia doesn’t survive but I’m sure there’s plenty of fanfic–likely slash fiction–where Martia does survive and Kirk gets a chance to explore “strange new worlds,” sexually speaking.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    I know — initially, Nichelle had been told that Trek was going to be an ensemble cast show, and in fact some of the early season one episodes gave hints that it would be more than just the “Big Three” every week (Kirk, Spock, McCoy) with Scotty thrown in from time to time for variety. Uhura, Chapel, Rand, and Sulu were all supposed to be given major ongoing story-lines — and occasionally they did get some actual episodes, but it was rare.

  • Sweetie

    The changes to Spock were the only ones that were positive, although the “excited” version could have been interesting.

  • Sweetie

    Everything about that first film was repulsively poor-quality. It simply was not Star Trek. Abrams even managed to make me loathe the song Sabotage, which I had previously somewhat liked, even though it’s way out of my normal taste.

    Poor Trek. Enterprise was so bad. Abrams’ film was far worse. The Next Gen movies were dreck (albeit Trek).

    It doesn’t surprise me that this film is better than the first one. It’s not as if it’s really possible to make something less worthy of the name Star Trek.

  • nicho

    Has anyone told the Vatican? Have you seen the gowns those girls wear?

  • nicho

    Dribble too.

  • Monoceros Forth

    This one’s better although there is a crucial moment of fail that, while it didn’t ruin the whole movie for me, definitely should never have happened.
    The first movie really was awful, though forgivable perhaps if viewed merely as a vehicle to assemble the cast and assign them to their expected roles, even if it means the plot isn’t really a plot so much as a porous heap of outrageous coincidences.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    I remember noting that when I re-watched the shows later in my teens, when it went into syndication — and thinking to myself, “Damn, Number One would’ve been a far more groundbreaking character. Not just a female second-in-command, but one who truly acted the part, all no-nonsense.”

    I also had objections to the completely impractical women’s uniforms in TOS. I mean, really — mini-skirts and stockings? Yeesh.

    Oh well… I know — it was the 60s and sexist objectification was all the rage.

  • Sweetie

    That “androgyny” episode was so so bad.

    As for pregnancy… remember when Janeway and Paris reverted into amphibians and had a litter?

  • Sweetie

    He’s OK. After the terribleness that was the first Abrams “Star Trek”, I won’t watch this one.

  • Lthomas320

    Drivel, not dribble. Just sayin’.

  • Sweetie

    He was given an ultimatum. He had to choose between Spock and Majel as a first officer. They were the most innovative characters so the network executives hated them. So he tarted her up, demoted her drastically, and drastically changed Spock’s behavior (and appearance to some degree).

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    The usual interpretation is “transgendered” = “worse than merely gay” = “abomination”.

    In other words, they conflate the two as if sexual orientation and gender identity are the same thing and essentially interchangeable. Remember, these are folks who believe there is no ‘natural’ condition other than heterosexuality and no gender identity-roles other than “man = dominant boss, woman = submissive servant.”

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Actually, Roddenberry wanted Spock to be entirely alien, but one of his writers, Sam Peeples (I think), pushed back and said he didn’t think fans could relate to such. So half-human with lots of conflicts between his two halves was the compromise.

    NBC’s reaction to the Spock character was they thought he looked too ‘Satanic’ and they wanted him to be dropped from the show. Roddenberry and Desilu (the production studio behind Trek) made the case to keep him.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    No, not that one. Plenty on the east coast, then when I moved to the SF Bay area, anything from San Jose on up to Seattle. Oh, and one in LA.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I remember that as a kid. “I don’t object to people doing what they want, but WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!” Well lots of them turned out great (pro athletes, actors, business people, etc.) and one is now president. All that concerstipation for nothing.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    This episode was not shown on some stations in the south due to this kiss. They seemed okay that Kirk kissed women who were green but not black. Oh no, can’t have that.

  • cole3244

    i can’t figure out who is more disturbed the zealots that spew this garbage or the weak mindless followers that believe this dribble and respect these charlatans.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    The rest of that story is that NBC was so horrid to her that she wanted to quit and it was Dr King who convinced her to stay. Her appearance on the bridge every week was having an impact around the country. Whoopi Goldberg has spoken about how significant it was to see a black woman treated as an equal by colleagues on the Enterprise. It’s also why she approached Roddenberry about a role on Next Generation.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    Honestly I thought Spock’s mixed heritage was a very clever way of talking about interracial marriage without actually hitting on a taboo topic. Roddenberry did this kind of thing often, sometimes brilliantly and other times rather ham-fistedly, but sometimes fiction, especially speculative fiction, is a good way of taking controversial topics and putting them in a different context in which we can see them more objectively. Perhaps even people who were against miscegenation had no problem with Spock being half Vulcan and half human. Hopefully a few of them thought about that for at least a little while.

  • Whitewitch

    Have you been to SD ComicCon?

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I know there are some prohibitions against cross-dressing in Leviticus (or thereabouts) but I don’t remember anything about transgendered people. Am I going to have to read the whole Bible again? Because twice really was enough.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    LOL. Chris Pine was virtually naked on a very big screen in 3-D. I didn’t notice who he was in bed with.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    I know, dear. ;-)

  • Skeptical Cicada

    LOL! Good for you! I’m just teasing. ;-)

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Sadly, there are millions of Americans who have no problem and don’t disagree with what Swanson and Buehner are saying, no matter how homophobic, transphobic, or misogynistic — or flat out at odds with the facts.

  • Monoceros Forth

    By the by, if you follow the link to Right Wing Watch you’ll find that on the same radio program Swanson and Buehner also took shots at some kid’s show I hadn’t heard of called “Shezow” in which a boy gets hold of a ring that gives him superpowers but only in the form of a woman. Sounds like it could be a clever premise and a neat twist on the Captain Marvel idea. But really it’s pure evil:

    Swanson: What he does, it’s a twelve year old boy, and he’s got this little magic statement he makes, “You go girl,” so once he says “you go girl”, he turns into a girl, he wears a purple skirt and a cape, as well as pink gloves and white boots, and he, you know, overcomes evil. The problem is–
    Buehner: And he’s able to find really good deals on Rodeo Drive while shopping.
    Swanson: Well no. The problem is he tries to overcome evil, but Dave, evil as it turns out as defined by scripture is homosexuality and this transgender thing, so that would be evil. So if he was fighting the evil he would have to fight that. But apparently he’s probably fighting Christians and trying to be sure that they’re burned at the stake or something.

    So remember kids, “evil is homosexuality and this transgender thing.” There is no other sort of evil worth mentioning. Those two things, that’s all of evil that matters, right there. (Gotta love the snide comment about shopping on Rodeo Drive, too. Yep, that’s all a girl superhero could possibly be any good for!)
    Too much shouldn’t be made of this garbage, I suppose. I’d never know how this insignificant Swanson person was if it weren’t for this bit of comedy.

  • nicho

    Or in their bone.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    According to the stories, the bigger push-back against the union of Sarek and Amanda Grayson — Spock’s parents — came from the Vulcans, who felt the marriage was below them as a species.

    Friggin’ pointy-eared green-skinned goblin racists. ;-) (/snark)

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    I deeply apologize, but yes, I did.*

    I was about to run through as many as I could remember of the human/alien and alien/alien hybrids and/or romantic relationships from Space: 1999, Buck Rogers, Babylon 5, Doctor Who, Farscape, Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis, Andromeda, Lexx, V, Sanctuary, and Defiance.

    But I thought it’d be pedantic to be so exhaustive, braggy, and it was time for dinner here. ;-)

    (* = Further confession: I’ve been to many conventions.)

  • Thom Allen
  • bkmn

    Envy? Much?

  • nicho

    Have you seen some of these “conservative” women? Bestiality would be a step up.

  • kurtsteinbach

    The article was saying how evolution says inter-species mingling is okay. Inter-species, alien and humans getting together. Actually, evolution says no such thing. Evolution deals with biology, and leaves these religious and moral concerns to philosophers, psychologists, and psychiatrists. Biologists deal with scientific fact and life. Psychology deals with bestiality and cross-species relations. Psychologically speaking, bestiality is having sex with non-sentient (lacking self consciousness and self-awareness) animals. Such creatures cannot consent. Since the creature involved in bestiality cannot (is unable to consent, like a dog or horse), the sex is rape. So having sex with a dog, horse, or goat, or other creature is rape. People assume that the animal gets pleasure from the act, and therefore consents or wants it. This is not necessarily true. Showing pleasure from sex is a normal physiological response, and as any real scientist can tell you, the physical body and the mind are two different things. People have been raped and felt pleasure, it is still defined legally and psychologically as rape. Christian Fundamentalists often confuse this aspect of rape and so do many others; hence, the notion that if she enjoyed, she must have wanted it and is a slut. It comes back to blame the victim. While I do not think Evangelical Christians are suggesting that animals being violated are asking for it, I also do not think that they consider such acts rape or non-consensual sex. It is more evidence of their twisted thinking, I mean it is an alien and it is a science fiction story, show, and movie. Can we please get back to real problems in the real world that need to be solved like the crappy economy and Climate Change….

  • sunmusing

    Hmmm, I thought I was alone when I fell in love with a nine foot tall BLUE Alien Woman…But Captn’ Kirk was the beast master so to speak…

  • Thom Allen

    OMG, wait till Santorum reads this. He’ll start up with “same-sex marriage leads to man on dog” again. Of course, he seems to think it’s OK to sleep with a dead baby.

  • SuznAZ

    Funny that they “think” that evolution results from inter-species breeding and that humans are not beasts but superior beings in inter-galactic relationships..just because. These limited thinker fundy types are a hoot but that people believe their nonsense is dangerous.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Please just reassure us that you didn’t compile that list from memory. :-)

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Thinking about it… what a moron and racist dog-whistling moron this guy is. Let’s roll the tape, Jimmy:

    Spock = Product of an inter-species marriage between a Vulcan and a human. And the unattainable love interest for another human (Nurse Christine Chapel).
    Kirk (Shatner) = Bangin’ every decent-looking humanoid-looking chick in the Alpha quadrant weekly
    Commander Will Decker = Gettin’ it on with Lieutenant Ilia, a Deltan
    Lieutenant Saavik = Half Vulcan, half Romulan
    Data = Anatomically-correct android who briefly had a human f**k-buddy (Lt.Tasha Yar)
    Deanna Troi = Human + Betazoid
    Troi + Riker, then Troi + Worf (Betazoid and Klingon)
    Riker + any number of alien chicks, including the androgynous one
    K’Ehleyr = Half human, half Klingon, eventually hooked up with Worf and had a kid
    B’Elanna Torres = Another half human, half Klingon who eventually hooked up with Tom Paris (human)
    Jadzya Dax (Trill) and Worf
    The alien entity that impregnated some random crewmember (ep. “The Child”)
    Sela = Tasha Yar’s half-Romulan daughter
    Naomi Wildman = Half human, half Ktarian

    It’s not just Star Trek but science fiction is FULL of intermingling of humanoid species.

    Only a racist bigot would look at that and call it bestiality. Which, come to think of it, is the same arguments they used to defend the anti-miscegenation laws.

  • AggieCowboy

    And let’s not forget the alternate-reality science going on in his (Swanson’s) head. Don’t remember anything about bestiality and cross-species mating contributing to the evolution of a species during my genetics courses. Of course, could’ve missed that day, but I was actually pretty good about going to classes.

  • Indigo

    I smiled.

  • TonyT

    Thou just project too much! These people and bestiality. It’s in their bones.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    The additional background to the Nichelle Nichols story: Dr. King told her that one of the most important reasons she stay on the show was because for the first time on TV, a black woman was given a role where she wasn’t a servant or menial, but an officer in the crew.

    Equal.

  • http://americablog.com magster

    with all the eye-liner, silicone and spray tan of some suburban Stepford wives, is sleeping with an alien really all that different?

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    I don’t doubt it — since many of the objections they raise against gay and lesbian relationships could be lifted directly from the speeches and comments they made during the 50s and 60s to oppose interracial marriage. Up to and including “it’s bad for the children.”

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    I’ll admit, I still appreciate it when the bigots are honest about how they really feel, rather than BS pretending to any degree of human compassion or understanding.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Just added it to the end of the story, along with her MLK story

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Yeah I was considering adding that one, but was unsure of the snarky comment to put with it.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Yeah I noticed that part too

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Oh yeah

  • voltronforce

    Gotta admit the new Capt Kirk is a hottie.

  • Monoceros Forth

    No actually, I’m not sure that the bestiality and the homosexuality are really all that different.
    FFFFF–

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    Yeah, but I doubt her hair would stand on end if you spun her really fast.

    There is so much more to Star Trek sex that could rile up the fundies, that it’s really limiting to only stick to Kirk’s antics. :)

  • AdmNaismith

    A little late to the party on this one, considering just how much inter-species sex has gone on in the 47 yrs of Star Trek.

    Consider this: The network was OK with the sexing for the most oart, so long as there was no open-mouth kissing. No open-mouth aliens.

    Priorities, people.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    I’m surprised these degenerates aren’t bringing up the interracial kiss between Kirk and Uhura. After all, the NBC executives wanted to cut the whole scene and were rather freaked out about it. Even though the response afterwards was entirely positive.

  • paaat

    I’m sure they still have this picture stuck in the back of their minds too….

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    I was trying to keep it to Kirk. And doesn’t that last woman with the green hair look like those troll dolls we grew up with? Totally made me think of it, thus the pic.

  • silas1898

    Captain James T. Kirk has been banging aliens for 45 years, and suddenly the fundies notice. Reeks of desperation.

  • http://www.americablog.com/ Naja pallida

    What’s with the naked troll doll porn, John? You didn’t warn us that this post wasn’t safe for work!

    You didn’t even touch on TNG, where Riker has sex with an androgynous species, or multiple instances of Klingon foreplay, on Enterprise a male crew member got pregnant via accidental alien sex… and don’t even get me started on Ferengi oo-mox!

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