The era of 2nd Amendment terrorism has begun

It was only a matter of time.  You can only tell people so many times that the socialist Muslim is plotting to take away their guns, and then enslave all of humanity (or simply slaughter everyone), before one of those people take it upon themselves to save humanity by taking out the bad guy.

Second Amendment supporters are suspected to have committed three terrorist acts this week on American soil – one against the group Mayors Against Gun Violence, another against Mayor Bloomberg, who is a staunch gun control advocate, and a third against President Obama.  All were sent similar suspicious letters, at least two contained powder, and at least one tested positive for the deadly poison Ricin.

The motivation for the attacks?  The Second Amendment:

CNN, citing a source with knowledge of the letters to Bloomberg and his gun-control group, said those letters include this:

“You will have to kill me and my family before you get my guns. Anyone wants to come to my house will get shot in the face. The right to bear arms is my constitutional God-given right and I will exercise that right till the day I die.”

NBC reports that the same gun-nut letter was sent to President Obama.

The text of the Obama letter was identical to the text in the other two letters, which warned that anyone who comes to the sender’s house will “get shot in the face” and vows to protect a constitutional and God-given right to bear arms.

The text also warned: “What’s in this letter is nothing compared to what I’ve got planned for you.”

Is anybody really surprised?  I’ve said for a while now that Second Amendment supporters have been making a great case for why they are the last people on earth who should be permitted to own a gun.  And these terrorist attacks prove it.

Think about it.  The NRA has been justifying their need to bear arms based on, what they seem to be suggesting, will be a coming zombie apocalypse.  Who wouldn’t be scared witless after reading this recent missive from NRA head Wayne LaPierre:

After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia. Looters ran wild in south Brooklyn. There was no food, water or electricity. And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all….

Meanwhile, President Obama is leading this country to financial ruin, borrowing over a trillion dollars a year for phony “stimulus” spending and other payoffs for his political cronies. Nobody knows if or when the fiscal collapse will come, but if the country is broke, there likely won’t be enough money to pay for police protection. And the American people know it.

Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face—not just maybe. It’s not paranoia to buy a gun. It’s survival. It’s responsible behavior, and it’s time we encourage law-abiding Americans to do just that.

According to the NRA, it’s quite literally the end of the world coming, and Barack Obama wants you and your family to die.  What do people do when someone tries to kill their family?  They try to stop that killer first.

Is it any wonder that people like James Yeager, the CEO of Tactical Response, a Tennessee company that specializes in weapons and tactical training, would post a video on Facebook and YouTube talking about how he’s going to start “killing people” if Obama acts on his fiendish anti-gun plans:

“I”m not f’g putting up with this… if it goes one inch further, I’m gonna start killing people.”


(H/t Crooks and Liars)

Of course, the dirty little secret is that Second Amendment advocates want their guns in order to fight the government, not the blacks and the immigrants. LaPierre’s zombie apocalypse is a recent swerve away from the more common gun-nut theme of how the evil gummint is coming to get you, and the only thing that will stop them is your gun. Clearly, the gun groups are getting a little worried that their “stop the government at all costs” message might just come back to haunt them. And haunting them it is, now that pro-gun supporters are launching terrorist attacks in the name of the Second Amendment.

But what are rural gun nuts supposed to think when they hear garbage like this on a daily basis from NRA board members like Todd Ratner?

Then there’s NRA board member Ted Nugent, another great profile in prozac.  There’s so much on Nugent, it’s easier just to send you to our archives, so you can peruse the extremism at your leisure.

Keep in mind, these are people whose motto talks about having to take their guns out of their “cold dead hands.”  Meaning, you’ll have to kill them in order to beat them politically.  Again, any surprise that people like that have turned violent?

We’re talking about guns.  Instruments of extreme violence.  And now we’re supposed to be surprised that people who have a fetish for violence are using violence.  Republicans, and their allies in the gun groups, the religious right, the Tea Party and all the rest, have consistently told Americans that the United States Government is the enemy. Just look at the way they demonize judges, and federal employees, and the IRS.

After you tell people that the government is quite literally the enemy, and repeat it for a few decades, and then arm your supporters against that enemy, is it any wonder that people eventually take up arms to stop that enemy?

And finally, think of the violence we’ve seen in our country over the past few decades.  How many have been liberal-themed and how many have been conservative-themed?  How much of the violence comes from gay people (perhaps one attack in 20 years), and how much from the anti-gays (hate crimes abound).  How many from anti-gun supporters (zero), and how many from gun nuts (there are shootings every week).  How much violent from pro-choicers (zero), and how much from pro-lifers (all the abortion doctor murders, for starters).

There is a reason that so much of the political violence in this country comes from people who embrace right-wing ideology.

Second Amendment advocates have no one to blame but themselves for the terrorist turn their movement has now taken.


Follow me on Twitter: @aravosis | @americablog | @americabloggay | Facebook | Instagram | Google+ | LinkedIn. John Aravosis is the Executive Editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown; and has worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, the United Nations Development Programme, and as a stringer for the Economist. He is a frequent TV pundit, having appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, Hardball, World News Tonight, Nightline, AM Joy & Reliable Sources, among others. John lives in Washington, DC. .

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527 Responses to “The era of 2nd Amendment terrorism has begun”

  1. Moderator3 says:

    Bye.

  2. DefiantDeity says:

    It would be a shorter list to tell you what MAIG members are not criminals. Why should I have to tell you anyway, shouldn’t you already know who these creeps are? Chances are you voted for one. Since you seem like a typical low info voter that can’t think yourself I will do some of your research for you. Look up Mayor Richard Corkery, Gary Becker of Racine, Wis, and Eddie Alberto Perez just to name a few. All are or were members of MAIG.

    BTW they are not lies, why not prove it wrong with facts instead of just claiming it’s lies? Oh, that’s right you don’t know what facts are. You also don’t believe anything unless MSNBC or some other rag told you to believe it. The Boston bomber was an Obama supporter, his tweets and FaceBook page was there for the world to see. James Holmes was part of the Occupy losers, which were left wing lunatics.

    BillFromDover is another loser who needs to work on reading comprehension. Only an idiot can read this pathetic article and believe the wanna be journalist isn’t claiming 2A supporters are violent and turning into terrorist. Or they should be the last people on Earth permitted to own guns. Funny considering the outcome of these ricin letter case. What are the chances this mentally ill lady is a liberal/progressive? She works in the arts and entertainment industry, which 99% of them are liberal nut jobs.

  3. DefiantDeity says:

    Awesome come back! Is that what all the kids told you on the playground as you sat alone drooling on yourself?

  4. DefiantDeity says:

    I know your wife is a b*tch but don’t call her a dog just because she lets me have my way with her. What’s wrong, are you finally tired of kissing her and tasting me?

  5. atomiktiger says:

    It sounds like all 3 letters were possibly from one guy’s wife. However, even if all 3 came from 3 separate bone fide “gun nuts”, how does *mailing letters* constitute “gun” violence, or “taking up arms” to quote this blog post?

    “Second Amendment advocates have no one to blame but themselves ”

    How would the action of 1 – or even 3 – people speak for ALL Second Amendment advocates? I’m a 2A advocate & I’ve never done violence on anyone. I write articles & try to educate. I contact my elected officials. How is that anything like what you’re trying to paint me & people like me? There are an estimated 310-350 million firearms in the U.S., owned by tens of millions of owners. One – or three – people acting unilaterally through possible (or staged) violence can’t possibly represent them.

  6. The Right Fight says:

    Sorry, Moderator3 …

    I didn’t mean to spam, but I thought (based on their posts) that those particular commenters would appreciate knowing the outcome of the case.

    I won’t add more, as my intent wasn’t to spam.

    My intent was to add to the discussion, and I thought those particular readers would have appreciated hearing the follow up report of the FBI arrest.

    Again, my apology if you found it offensive.

  7. Moderator3 says:

    You have made this post enough times. Please don’t post it again. That’s spamming.

  8. The Right Fight says:

    I guess “The Era of 2nd Amendment Terrorism” has actually begun with a wacky and vindictive wife who tried to frame her husband.

    The AP story didn’t reveal her political preferences, but her position on politics and the gun debates would certainly add an interesting twist to an already bizarre story.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_RICIN_LETTERS_TEXAS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-06-08-03-07-37

    Sorry to disappoint, but this doesn’t meet the legal definition of terrorism.

  9. Hal Romberg says:

    I’ve disagreed vehemently with right oriented people on right oriented sites before, mostly because I’m an atheist and a Libertarian. They have never threatened to do me harm. Not once, even when I’ve been flippant about things they care deeply about. I have had my life threatened though. Guess what side of the aisle the ones doing the threatening occupied. You got it. Lefties. My best guess is that it’s an artifact of people living primarily through their emotional reactions to events rather than through rational thought.

  10. ckg1 says:

    Dude, enter the room of FAIL.

    And would you please come out of the closet?

  11. BKBcraiglistkiller says:

    Keep being a sheep, get some education and buy a gun. It won’t matter though because you will die anyway when shit goes down and the government kicks in your door for having porn on your computer, then they shoot your dog, then they rape your tight little ass, then they kill you.
    Or you get robbed with a gun to your head with no means to defend yourself.

  12. Dominick Ahrens says:

    But I’m sure the comments posted by liberals calling for “death to all NRA members” are just people using the freedom of speech guaranteed by the 1st Amendment, right?

  13. Eric Nirschel says:

    I can’t imagine why gun owners would feel threatened. I mean, sure, the media and government is only labeling them all as insane and telling them they need to be locked up for being baby murdering lunatics all the time.

  14. youdeserveseverebutthurt says:

    For every rightwing nut job you identify I can find another left-wing nut job – don’t like guns – fine – post a sign outside your house that your place is a gun free zone and that there are no firearms currently on the proerty nor will they be allowed – see how long that lasts

  15. Al says:

    http://aravosis.wpengine.com/2013/06/b-list-actressed-shannon-richardson-arrest-for-ricin-mailings-to-obama-gun-control-advocates.html

    Any plans to issue an apology? Clearly an attempt to frame someone and a movement for the actress’ own gain..

  16. john says:

    That’s right. ALL gun enthusiasts and 2A supporters are crazy, violent, bloodthirsty whack jobs. Three poison letters obviously represent everyone who owns and enjoys firearms.

    Idiot…

  17. jpvoodoo says:

    Did you mean defamation? In arrears? We’ll how does one go about collecting from a fellow zombie? Threaten to kill them?

  18. jpvoodoo says:

    I do have a sense of humor and surely every zombie can’t be to blame.

  19. jpvoodoo says:

    Well my rational argument is that you don’t have a rational answer to a very tough question, because there isn’t one. Now if you can just admit that this author is the one making the irrational argument, by generalizing one group for the bad actions of one person, I’ll be done with you.

  20. yousoundbutthurt says:

    I don’t care how liberals “feel” about the 2nd Amendment. I choose to not be a victim and they chose to be sheep. That’s their right and it’s not my problem.

  21. yousoundbutthurt says:

    Wrong.

  22. yousoundbutthurt says:

    Liberals were the cause of all the recent gun violence.

  23. Strykewolf says:

    Actually, it would be all 3 of your examples.

    From the article on her arrest:


    Richardson, a mother of five who has played bit roles on television and in movies, was arrested earlier Friday for allegedly mailing the ricin-laced letters last month to the White House, Bloomberg and the mayor’s Washington gun-control group. The letters — which authorities determined were mailed from Richardson’s hometown of New Boston or nearby Texarkana and postmarked in Shreveport, La. — threatened violence against gun-control advocates, authorities said.”

  24. Strykewolf says:

    Is it too much to ask wanna-be reporters to actually back up their accusations with links? Some sort of documentation of these suspected terrorist acts? If you are referencing the ‘ricin’ letter that was sent to Obama, you might want to check the news. He was set up by his actress wife. She did the same to Bloomberg. That would be 2 out of 3 of your examples. Anyone feel like looking into her background?

    http://news.yahoo.com/texas-actress-charged-obama-ricin-threat-230606198.html

  25. THORGRIMM says:

    These attacks were staged by this guys wife, she was trying to frame him…. Failblog

  26. Naja pallida says:

    Crime and violence statistics. Not accidents and safety information. Which only makes sense, since accidents are not the purview of the Justice Department.

  27. Jon Shell says:

    Almost every single big name in gun control has already contradicted you on ‘there’s no confiscation’ with what they’ve said themselves about it. I can excuse you for forgetting, though – those same people set a good example of that.

    And good job, trying to make this a sexual issue. Way to go.

  28. ChuckFinley says:

    Because the Supreme Court of the United States said so in the case of Warren v.District of Columbia as the other poster noted.

    Google is your friend. Read about the events that led to the court case and read what the Supreme Court decided.

  29. JayRandal says:

    Any gun nuts who threaten to outright kill law enforcement officers coming to their houses to arrest them should be taken out by whatever means available. If they want to die in gun violence then grant them their wish before they gun down children at schools.

  30. That_Guy says:

    “They might rap you crackerjack.”
    Old school rap or newer stuff?
    I am ok with old school…the new stuff is just noise.

  31. That_Guy says:

    I have to agree with this post.
    Gun people are not going to hide behind a letter and send some almost ricin to try to intimidate Bloomberg. Bloomberg is going to implode himself by trying to legislate the types of condoms people can use, and whether they can fold or crumple their toilet paper when wiping their asses. Oh and he will probably try to legislate the number of sexual partners you can have and which positions you can use. He is so last year.

  32. That_Guy says:

    I haven’t, but you are wrong in stating that.

    http://www.gunblogblacklist.blogspot.com/
    Check out the veteran gunbloggers.
    These people get into facebook arguments and all of that hooey.

  33. That_Guy says:

    So straight people’s butts don’t hurt?

    That’s heterophobic. Nearly all of these blah blah blah.

    Butt hurt has nothing to do with homosexuality.

    Neither does ‘chaps my ass’ or ‘hardass’ or calling someone an asshole.

    Homosexuality has no monopoly on the buttocks and rectal area of a human.

  34. That_Guy says:

    Ahem.

    No.

    Federal law mandates background checks for internet sales, dealer sales, interstate sales and gun vendor sales. Period. If you buy it from a someone selling it as a commercial enterprise, it involved a background check. Or both you and the seller get to go to jail for ten years and have all of your rights stripped away due to felony conviction.
    No gun show loophole no way.
    ONLY and specifically face to face sales of long guns by one private individual to another private individual are exempt from this nation wide.
    ONLY and specifically face to face sales of handguns *inside the borders of a single state* by one private individual to another private individual are exempt from this nationwide. (Both purchaser and seller must reside in the same state at the time of sale)

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

    http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf

    Check the laws in this publication from the ATF. Anyone who knowingly or otherwise ships a firearm to a person who is ineligible to own or possess that firearm earns ten years in jail.
    § 478.32 Prohibited shipment, trans-
    portation, possession,
    or receipt of
    firearms and ammunition by certain persons

  35. That_Guy says:

    And so you are either saying the Chipmunk was defective or is a “child care product?”
    The parents did not perform the task of parenting successfully.

    That is all.

  36. That_Guy says:

    Well the DOJ Bureau of Justice Statistics has a report up that catalogs a whole bunch of firearm and other related statistics.

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/guns.cfm
    Check it out and then argue with information instead of assumptions.

  37. That_Guy says:

    well……this is not proven at this time.

  38. That_Guy says:

    So he is a heavy lifting tool and you are a multi purpose tool. Good to know.

  39. That_Guy says:

    http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2013/05/ca-senate-approves-8-bills-to-regulate-guns.html
    look again. They confiscate all firearms that don’t meet their criteria and also confiscate firearms owned by people they have recently decided shouldn’t have them.

    Law on the books

  40. lynchie says:

    Take your head out of your dog’;s ass.

  41. That_Guy says:

    You have not read the NY SAFE act. It explicitly states the word confiscated in reference to the firearms owned by people in New York State. It sets a target date and any firearms listed in the law that are present in the State of New York after that date that are not owned by police, politicians or *reporters* will be confiscated and the owners/possessors subject to monetary fines and prosecution.

  42. bossmanham says:

    I don’t tool around. I give substantive arguments. You’re a typical lib. Your mom needs you to take out the trash, tool.

  43. karmanot says:

    Yep, like reading the toons.

  44. karmanot says:

    I would compare my toolitude to a Swiss Army knife and yours to a shovel.

  45. karmanot says:

    rotfl….sure is nice to have buds!

  46. karmanot says:

    I would but you left a pile there.

  47. karmanot says:

    You figured it out….Next!

  48. bossmanham says:

    As if western liberalism is any different here. Tool.

  49. SDN says:

    You’re right. We’re a bunch of traitors and terrorists.

    Of course, if we went back to 1776, I doubt King George III and his lackeys felt any differently about the Patriots of the day. I promise you George Washington was never referred to as “Father of his Country” in Lord Cornwallis’ officers mess.

    “Why doth treason never prosper? Because if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”

  50. BillFromDover says:

    unmotivated?

    Surely ya jest… how many other unmotivated protesters have ya met?

  51. BillFromDover says:

    “…but you are already telling everyone he must be an
    NRA member. Hypocrite!”

    For a start, show us where John claimed that this mental midget is a member of the NRA? Typical case of a loser building a straw man argument

    We’ll continue from there.

  52. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    I find it so weird when someone new to the blog calls a long time poster a troll. I guess he didn’t realize we can check all his past posts.

  53. ckg1 says:

    YOU’RE the troll, pal. 11 comments compared to Karma’s 11K plus?

    Take your concern troll nature….polish it up nice and good….turn that sumbitch sideways…and stick it straight up your candy ass!

  54. ckg1 says:

    There’s so much bullshit to wade through that to do so would burn down RS’ servers…and in any case, odds are you’d move the goalposts.

    Just as a starting point…how about he tell us WHICH members of Mayors Against Illegal Guns are criminals? And he repeats the LIES about Holmes, Lanza’s mom, etc. They’re not worth dignifying with a response, because they’re LIES.

  55. Justin Myrick says:

    Another non-argument. You’re a troll. Crawl back under he bridge troll.

  56. Justin Myrick says:

    Instead of just saying “wrong on so many levels” and moving on, why not try and prove your point with a counter argument or some information to support your position? This person made several factual arguments, and you don’t care about facts. You just want to say, “No you’re wrong and I’m right just because.”

  57. Justin Myrick says:

    You are so worthless. You just say “wrong”, which somehow implies you are right, even though you haven’t provided and arguments against, or information disproving, this person’s points. NEXT!

  58. ckg1 says:

    Bolierplate bullshit. And so wrong on so many levels…

  59. samizdat says:

    No worries, Mr. k. Your right, the crazy, delusional obsessiveness of the typical gun nut is fatiguing and frustrating.

    (Though I will admit to getting a good laugh out of the crazy…kind of a guilty pleasure)

  60. karmanot says:

    Seem like an expert on kicking. Bet you have a scattering of dog bites on your ass.

  61. karmanot says:

    False flag: “they just want their legal handguns, rifles, and shotguns left alone.” So so they shall.

  62. karmanot says:

    Only when you pull them out too fast.

  63. karmanot says:

    “You compare firearms to faulty child care products” Sorry troll, you apparently haven’t heard of the ‘Chipmonk’ rifle designed for children. You know the one where a five year old killed his two year old sister. Catch up.

  64. karmanot says:

    Even ourselves!

  65. karmanot says:

    That’s so hot. I love it when you talk pork.

  66. karmanot says:

    Ah, that explains those missing days in Obama’s school record!

  67. karmanot says:

    repeating a lie doesn’t make it true ham hock.

  68. karmanot says:

    There have been no confiscations in America. Concentrate on the subject of the thread. “What about all of these confiscations that then led to genocide?” you will have to ask an American native about that one Ramboett.

  69. karmanot says:

    You have a point alright, along with the Great Wall of China it can be seen from the moon.

  70. karmanot says:

    “Typical blame the NRA for everything liberals.” “California actually has a confiscation task force that has been confiscating
    guns from citizens.” No it doesn’t, now get off my lawn!

  71. karmanot says:

    Channeling your inner Jim Jones I see. Will you order your family to eat the ricin on the cake?

  72. karmanot says:

    The abominable position was last seen North of Tahoe.

  73. karmanot says:

    Make that fat head.

  74. karmanot says:

    Take your head out of the glue bag.

  75. karmanot says:

    Wrong on all accounts. Next!

  76. DefiantDeity says:

    Exactly!!! LIberal logic is so stupid.Mentally challenged 5 year olds can articulate a better argument than these liberal idiots.

  77. DefiantDeity says:

    First of all this was one person that supposedly sent ricin
    but that doesn’t stop you from claiming that all gun supporters are now
    launching attacks. Isn’t it your side that claims Islam is a religion of peace
    and when these terrorist constantly attack us you claim those are just lone
    people acting out. Don’t let the action of a few thousand attacks in the name
    of Islam reflect badly on Islam. BUT you have no information on who this person
    is that sent these letters but you are already telling everyone he must be an
    NRA member. Hypocrite!

    Also don’t blame the NRA for everything. I am not a member
    of the NRA but I am against all the gun control bills that have been proposed.
    You need to look at what your radical left wing loons are saying to understand
    why people believe the government wants to confiscate guns. Diane Feinstein has
    said she wants to ban ALL firearms – February 5, 1995. Andrew Cuomo’s NY Safe
    Act forces forfeiture of once lawfully owned property. California actually has
    a confiscation task force that has been confiscating guns from citizens. New
    Jersey lawmakers were caught on tape saying the end goal is “Confiscate,
    Confiscate, Confiscate”. Earlier this year bills were introduced in Missouri
    and Minnesota that involved confiscation. This is just the tip of the iceberg
    when it comes to liberals and their longing to abolish the second amendment.
    Quit trying to hide what you really want. It’s well known by now and you people
    only sound stupid when you say you support the 2nd, but…..

    Why don’t you take a look at all the criminal members of
    Mayors Against Illegal Guns? Rapist, pedophiles, thief’s, alcoholics etc….
    These idiots can’t lawfully own a gun, no wonder they want to take ours away.
    You are also wrong about where all the violence has been coming from. James
    Holmes registered democrat. Adam Lanza’s mother? Democrat! You see a theme
    here? What about the classics like Bill Ayers and his radical group, or all the
    violence and vandalism from environmentalist? What about all those that don’t
    make national headlines, like the prison population where the majority of them
    associate with or come from democratic households?

  78. DefiantDeity says:

    Typical blame the NRA for everything liberals. I am not a
    member of the NRA but I am against all the gun control bills that have been
    proposed. You need to look at what your radical left wing loons are saying to
    understand why people believe the government wants to confiscate guns. Diane
    Feinstein has said she wants to ban ALL firearms – February 5, 1995. Andrew
    Cuomo’s NY Safe Act forces forfeiture of once lawfully owned property.
    California actually has a confiscation task force that has been confiscating
    guns from citizens. New Jersey lawmakers were caught on tape saying the end
    goal is “Confiscate, Confiscate, Confiscate”. Earlier this year bills were
    introduced in Missouri and Minnesota that involved confiscation. This is just
    the tip of the iceberg when it comes to liberals and their longing to abolish
    the second amendment. Quit trying to hide what you really want. It’s well known
    by now and you people only sound stupid when you say you support the 2nd,
    but…..

  79. Biff Sarin says:

    -” I’ve said for a while now that Second Amendment supporters have been making a great case for why they are the last people on earth who should be permitted to own a gun. And these terrorist attacks prove it.”-

    Right so by your line of thinking. David Koresh considered himself a Christian so all Christians must be just like him. Osama Bin Ladin was a Muslim so all Muslims must be just like him. And last but not least, The Occupy protesters were liberals so you must be just as lazy, filthy and unmotivated as them.

  80. citizen_spot says:

    Every state has different laws.

  81. MrApple says:

    Very true.

  82. bossmanham says:

    He was a big lefty.

  83. bossmanham says:

    Newp

  84. bossmanham says:

    Click the link.

  85. MrApple says:

    I am not speaking for Cletus. I’m speaking of those 2nd Amendment supporters that I know and have contact with. THEY aren’t calling for a-bombs, tanks, or RPGs; they just want their legal handguns, rifles, and shotguns left alone. Maybe you should ask Cletus to define “all forms of arms” in order to give structure to the conversation?

  86. lynchie says:

    Yes we paint all gun owners as nuts;.

  87. lynchie says:

    Do we live in Australia or Europe? What genocide would that be?

  88. lynchie says:

    he can’t because you don’t listen

  89. lynchie says:

    i believe they should all go away. A little period maybe a year when we can rape and pillage would be neat as your gun nuts say

  90. lynchie says:

    yes I will

  91. ckg1 says:

    Look at Cletus OBannon’s post above…”it does in FACT cover all forms of arms)…

    Then argue the point again with a straight face.

  92. ckg1 says:

    And I didn’t either. I voted for Rocky Anderson, a guy who left the Democratic Party because they caved in one too many times on too many issues. AFAIC, Rocky is a TRUE Democrat.

  93. ckg1 says:

    Kyle: Dorner was a grade-A nut(maybe with cause)whose politics don’t even enter into the discussion. And his politics were all over the map.

  94. Whitewitch says:

    Wrong…not a lefty. Just someone who really needed to be on medication. Not a terrorist or a gun nut. Just a really really ill person. But then you knew that!

  95. Whitewitch says:

    Excellent point. It is like the “loss of free speech” in this country and yet they do babble on.

  96. Whitewitch says:

    There is no confiscation going on. Second amendment people remind me of the Christians and their war on Christmas. There is no war, never has been a war and the idea that the government is going to confiscate your gun, or any gun (except from a criminal who has been arrested) is INSANE. Perhaps they are all just rebels without a cause and are desperately hoping something happens so they can use up their unused Testosterone. Go find something real to protest, like stopping the wars, or closing down the Patriot Act. Anything besides an excuse to spread your fear and/or hatred of this President.

  97. ckg1 says:

    And you’re a concern troll.

    We’re even,

  98. ckg1 says:

    WRONG.

  99. ckg1 says:

    That, too, is a LIE.

  100. ckg1 says:

    Sometimes, a take is so STUPID that debating it is pointless.

    Hola’s falls in that category.

  101. bossmanham says:

    You’re just a useless troll. No substance.

  102. bossmanham says:

    Aurora was a big lefty.

  103. bossmanham says:

    Lulz. Except every act of terror in the last decade has been from a far left wacko.

  104. bossmanham says:

    So the confiscations in Australia and Europe didn’t happen?

    What about all of these confiscations that then led to genocide?

    http://jpfo.org/pdf02/genocide-chart.pdf

  105. bossmanham says:

    No, but the difference between other laws that set up a general line for society not to cross and gun laws is that gun laws are the only ones that actually DISARM good people, making them less safe and vulnerable to criminals. So while criminals will not follow those laws and continue to use powerful weapons against us, good people will be without arms to protect their family and property. This is an abominable position.

  106. ckg1 says:

    You’d want to squash everyone ELSE’s civil rights just to get yours.

    Also known as “I’ve got mine, so fuck everyone else!”

    And…oh, my…do we detect an eliminationist streak?

  107. bossmanham says:

    yup. That’s what gun laws do. That’s the only law that actually disables good people.

  108. bossmanham says:

    Wow. Great argument.

  109. bossmanham says:

    Typical lib. I will tell you right now, though, your attempts to squash my civil rights won’t end with your victory, one way or another.

  110. Joseph B Campbell says:

    Thought that possibility myself. But there has to be a follow through and soon to be effective.

  111. Jhomas Tefferson says:

    Bloomberg’s own people probably sent the letters to further his cause

  112. Jon Shell says:

    Show me a single person who honestly believes every single law should go away since outlaws are exactly that.

  113. lynchie says:

    My Mom is dead. Most of America wanted background checks to keep you paranoid, gun nuts from having them. We will get background checks then we will get your names and where you live and then we will go door to door and get your guns. Have some fruit loops and admire your pictures of real guns.

  114. citizen_spot says:

    Who kicked you? Who has caused you real harm? Has someone come and taken your shiny binky (guns)? Reacting on the fear of something happening in your imagination is not the same as reacting to an actual injustice. The weak succumb to fear alone.

  115. Not even the ones Ronald Reagan supported?

  116. Sigh. Do criminals follow restrictions or laws in general? Should there be no laws, since criminals won’t follow them?

  117. fatguy says:

    will criminals obey the gun restrictions?

  118. FuzzyRabbit says:

    Sorry young man, but if you actually read my post you will see that I did not call you any names. I don’t call people names. I was referring to the activity in this debate. I have been debating gun control (both sides of the issue if you’re interested) for 35 years and I am tired of it, so I don’t do it anymore.

    In any case, you will not change my mind (not that you actually know what I think, as I removed my post) and no one will change yours. Since I work and have a family and home to take care of I don’t have time to engage in pointless flame wars with youngsters.

  119. Papa Bear says:

    It’s no “accident” that guns do exactly what they’re designed to do…

  120. karmanot says:

    Free Shit Army? Where have you been since the sixties? In prison?

  121. karmanot says:

    You don’t have to apologize for living in Oakland.

  122. karmanot says:

    Yes, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran. You?

  123. karmanot says:

    What is your point.?I know of absolutely no gun owners including myself that want to ban guns. This appalling ignorance and hysteria which you are promoting is just nuts—-thus the term gun nut. First, there is no viable left in this country anymore and the only threat to Constitutional rights is from fascist right wing thugs.

  124. Jon Shell says:

    So it’s only a crime if a gun is involved?

    Shut up before you kill someone.

  125. Jon Shell says:

    First off, it’s been established on more than one board that the details of these ‘terror attacks’ are inconsistent with the sender being a Second Amendment supporter, or that the ricin was ricin to begin with.

    Second, even if the above was untrue, it’s not the Second which is prompting these things to happen – it’s the attack on the Second. The Left is forgetting, conveniently or otherwise, that all of the crimes being committed with guns are already crimes in and of themselves, and wail about how it’s “legal to hunt humans with” a 30 round magazine in an assault weapon – anyone remember that one? In their panic to prevent these crimes, they go after a completely disinterested third party – the gun – and we’re all discovering (or rediscovering) how a bad solution can be worse than no solution at all.

    Furthermore, all of them ignore the lives preserved by guns for favor of crying about those taken by guns, even when those facts are presented to them in study after study.

    We gun owners are being pushed closer and closer to the point where our only way to preserve our constitutional rights – not just the Second, but the ones that it ensures as well – will be to fully exercise the right of self-defense when the confiscation begins. We’ve seen what happens in humanity when only one side of the table has guns, and we will not submit to it.

  126. TheDaywalkersDad says:

    Your mom probably thinks that you’re special but no one else really cares about what you want. Guess what? If most of America wanted universal background checks then we’d have them.
    Worry more about your Free Shit Army brethren and OWS trash instead of the average gun owners.

  127. Kyle says:

    Yet Dorner’s anti-2A left wing extremist views are swept under the rug, and he was a multiple murderer. There are nuts of every flavor.

  128. TheDaywalkersDad says:

    You really can’t debate a point can you?

  129. TheDaywalkersDad says:

    You seem incapable of carrying on a debate. Perhaps it’s a lack of intelligence. I wonder if it’s due to nature or nurture.
    Come back when you’re willing to actually debate a point instead of mindless name calling. If there’s anything in my original post that you can refute then please do so. I suspect that you’re simply too uninformed to do anything other than make personal attacks.

  130. TheDaywalkersDad says:

    You might want to take at the FBI Crime Statistics and Tables 43 and 49. You obviously don’t know where the crime is in this country.
    Google is your friend.
    Take a peek at those two tables and then get back to me.

  131. karmanot says:

    We may have civil discussions as soon as I comprehend why police are not responsible for protecting citizens. In Oakland the police are the criminals and you Wonder why communities have such animus for cops.

  132. karmanot says:

    Liberty U does not have a credible law school. Online classes don’t count

  133. karmanot says:

    I don’t think buff is very manly.

  134. karmanot says:

    Poor o’Clitus is afraid of being debased and so is waiting in behind his front door ready to shoot someone in the face who looks metro. I think the term ‘gun nut’ applies.

  135. ComradeRutherford says:

    Oswald didn’t do it at all…

  136. karmanot says:

    You said, “so let’s just make laws that hurt otherwise good people.” thereby empowering criminals.

  137. karmanot says:

    The zombie Deformation League says your dues are in arrears.

  138. karmanot says:

    ROTFL “Profiling zombies” You Do have a sense of humor, or is that stereotyping?

  139. karmanot says:

    Repeating the bite is not the same as rational argument.

  140. karmanot says:

    Why? Because I haven’t silly rabbit.

  141. BeccaM says:

    The gov’t has already decided you do not have a right to an RPG. Nor to certain types of bullets. Nor to fully-automatic weaponry. Nor to tanks.

    I don’t have to define which ones you can’t have — other people, our lawfully elected representative government, have already done so. You want zero restrictions, I want more. You believe people have a legitimate need for a 100 round magazine and a gun capable of firing them as fast as a trigger can be pulled, I do not agree.

    Who am I to decide what you can and can’t have? A voting citizen of the United States of America. You’re free to vote your opinions and I’ll vote mine.

  142. karmanot says:

    You got nutt’n girl.

  143. karmanot says:

    Mr. ham has a mad.

  144. karmanot says:

    You inspire idiotic levels.

  145. karmanot says:

    “But you missed the point.” Honey, one can see your point from the moon.

  146. karmanot says:

    No, but thanks Drew. A troll rush is apparent.

  147. Svigor says:

    Maybe the Jews screwed up America?

  148. karmanot says:

    “You wonder why kids are killing themselves over being bullied.” It’s no wonder, because of murderous bigots like you. And, you complain about having a rough life. Oh, please. You are a Marine, Suck it up and stop whining.

  149. Svigor says:

    (1) there are some firearms that no civilian actually needs

    Who are you to determine what someone else does or does not need? How about I go through all of your stuff, and start deciding what you do and do not need? Maybe you have too many square feet on your house? What’s your carbon footprint? What’s the displacement on your car’s engine? What kind of gas mileage does it get? How many TV sets do you have in your home? Cable?

    I can think of lots and lots of stuff you probably have, that I don’t think you need.

    Who really NEEDS freedom of speech? Who really NEEDS freedom of religion? Who really NEEDS to be free in his person and property from unwarranted search?

    Who really NEEDS an abortion? Do homosexuals really NEED to get married?

    Heck, nobody really NEEDS any of the rights protected by the BoR, am I right?

  150. karmanot says:

    Boo, F’ing hoo.

  151. BeccaM says:

    I’m cool with that. I prefer civil than those sorts above in the thread who were calling us ‘libtards’, threatening violence, and insisting none of us has any familiarity with firearms or with the need to defend ourselves.

    My father was (until he passed away a few years ago) a licensed dealer who, until they became too expensive to maintain, once had a Class 3 permit. I know my way around gun regs and remember many a night cleaning our hunting rifles and shotguns and helping with the shell reloading rig. (I had a good hand with getting the grains just right in the measure.) I am a gun owner, and my take on gun laws is (1) there are some firearms that no civilian actually needs, not even for home defense, and (2) even if it is more inconvenient for law-abiding people to acquire a gun, I’d rather have that if it helps keep them out of the hands of criminals and crazies. Oh, and (3) I’d like to see ‘responsible gun ownership’ be made a requirement for continued ownership, and not just a voluntary thing. Someone who leaves a loaded gun where a kid can get at it and blow his own head off should be charged with reckless endangerment and manslaughter. My opinion anyway.

    Despite being as generally pro-gun as any man could be, I also saw my father turn away buyers because he thought they “didn’t seem right in the head.” Or because he suspected they might have criminal histories. At first, this was back in the day before instant background checks, and I can tell you — from a totally unscientific sample of just one — my father liked being able at any time to call up a reputable instant-check site run by law enforcement officers like yourself and find out right away if he could safely sell that gun or not.

    Yet the idea of universal background checks, once suggested by NRA’s LaPierre himself, are now anathema.

  152. Svigor says:

    Low numbers of proper rejections, and relatively high numbers of false-positive rejections, are exactly what one would expect from a functioning system, no? The citizen who knows he’ll be rejected is pretty unlikely to bother going through the motions, thus leaving false-positives to take up most of the space on the rejection rolls (because these citizens rightly think they should pass).

    I’m not really seeing the problem, here.

  153. karmanot says:

    –of which a determined rebel force is capable

  154. karmanot says:

    Ah, at last ,the fascist Libertarian retort.

  155. karmanot says:

    According to the Patriot Act they aren’t. If you go to that thap-site and watch child porn, your 1st Amendments rights will be curtailed.

  156. Svigor says:

    While you’re at it, will you please explain to these statists (AKA libs) why confiscation, even if it were to magically work somehow, would still be a horrible idea? How it would only empower bigger, stronger, more aggressive males against their smaller, weaker, less aggressive female, elderly, etc., victims?

    What do these people think went on before guns? Socialist utopia? The medieval period was about women’s rights and talking things through? Nope. The stronger dominated the weak. Thugs love it when everything’s muscle-powered.

  157. karmanot says:

    Bears don’t have arms.

  158. karmanot says:

    Guns don’t kill, bullets do.

  159. karmanot says:

    “I’m trying hard to understand how law abiding gun owners are constantly
    included with gang bangers, drug dealers, rapists, murderers, and other
    criminals.” They’re not. You know that. OMG! Roving bands of Negro youths! Be afraid be very afraid. They might rap you crackerjack.

  160. Svigor says:

    The difference being, many rightists are fine with the idea of a parting of the ways via secession. They welcome it. But lefties go psycho at the mere thought of anyone being allowed to escape their statist hegemony.

  161. Svigor says:

    Yes, let’s trample and deny the rights of 300 million Americans over 26 deaths. Hey, something like 100 people die every year from bee stings, what rights can we steal from 300 million Americans with that excuse?

  162. Tim says:

    Your analogy is a poor one. You compare firearms to faulty child care products, but fail to continue the analogy. When a childcare product is unsafe due to a flaw in its design, it is recalled. Guess what happens to a firearms with a flaw in its design that leads to unintentional injuries? They get recalled. This is all irrelevant anyways since you are comparing apples to oranges. I don’t understand how you can think a comparison between an object explicitly meant to inflict harm can even be compared in the same sentance to object meant for everyday use by children.

  163. karmanot says:

    The weak and fearful who are paranoid and carry guns.

  164. Svigor says:

    Well said. The Founders never could have foreseen broadcast television, radio, the internet, etc.

    Repeal the 1st Amendment!

  165. karmanot says:

    Aren’t you just so special.

  166. Svigor says:

    This is why nobody takes lefties seriously. “The era of Second Amendment terrorism”?

    What’s the body count for “the era of Second Amendment terrorism,” so far?

    *Walks away laughing to self about libs and their histrionics*

  167. karmanot says:

    Always a pleasure to rub your nose in it. Bad dog!

  168. karmanot says:

    Oh what a mean gurrrl you ‘r’

  169. karmanot says:

    Well don’t put me in Gitmo next to Gov.Perry. He is so……………

  170. karmanot says:

    neener, neener

  171. karmanot says:

    Ya think? Wizzo

  172. karmanot says:

    Yes.sorry for the snark TP. You picked the worst possible to day to post during the swarm of gun trolls.

  173. code3cover says:

    Being a full time police officer is past tense, although I still volunteer as a reserve police officer to serve my community.

    I have an MPH in epidemiology and a doctoral degree in a related field.

    True, while both PoliceOne and Moveon.org population are not generalizable to the general US population, they tend to represent their respective bases – police officers and liberals (OK, more precisely police officers and liberals who are internet junkies =) . So PoliceOne may have some insight into what police officers think.

    I do agree that self-select surveys are not the proper way to conduct surveys. There is no way to analyze non-responders and selection bias is hard to overcome. I brought it up as a generalized statement on police sentiments.
    At least we are starting to have a civil and real conversations =)

  174. karmanot says:

    Not even a nail gun?

  175. Monoceros Forth says:

    I don’t think Terry Nichols was a Democrat either.

  176. runfastandwin says:

    I guess my snarkometer needs calibration. You could’ve used an ellipses at the end though…

  177. Hola says:

    It’s always interesting that the liberals will call this an ‘act of terrorism’ and any act of violence committed by an islamic terrorist is just a crime.

  178. Steve Wilga says:

    sure was disgusting and the current watch did it!

  179. MrApple says:

    And you seem not to understand that this is a Republic.

  180. Steve Wilga says:

    mcveigh didn’t do it alone

  181. Steve Wilga says:

    group efforts, the gov had a hand in all of these dem and rep

  182. code3cover says:

    Actually being a full time police officer is past tense, although I still volunteer as a reserve police officer to serve my community.

    I have an MPH in epidemiology and an doctoral degree in a related field. Yes. I agree the PoliceOne population is a biased population… selection bias to name a few. At least we are starting to have an honest conversation =)

  183. Naja pallida says:

    Not sure how you’d know, since there were laws passed by the gun lobby many years ago that explicitely prevents the federal government from collecting statistics on gun safety. The most recent educated guesses about firearm accidents say there’s somewhere around 15,000, with about 600 of those being fatal, per year. Sure, statistically, that is pretty insignificant considering how many guns there are out there, but if this was any other consumer product, people would be crapping their pants. We recall cars, food, baby cribs, even if there is the slight chance of someone being harmeed. Sometimes, even if there isn’t a problem, but just the perception that there is one, it is enough for a company to spend millions trying to rectify their public image. But since guns are intended to harm, we just shrug and move on, accident after accident.

  184. ckg1 says:

    Boss: What we’ve seen of you in this thread is all we need to know about you.

    You must come from the “up is down, inside is outside, light is dark”, etc. school. The opposite of what you’ve said is the truth.

  185. jpvoodoo says:

    How so? The sender never actually confirmed his/her membership in the NRA. Therefore, you cannot possibly be certain it was an NRA “gun nut.” And even if you could, you still cannot blame the NRA or the members of the gun rights movement as a whole. I’m afraid you are stuck blaming the responsible person.

  186. bossmanham says:

    Wut? None of those strip people’s weapons off self defense thereby empowering criminals.

  187. bossmanham says:

    You don’t even know me, fool. The only people attacking civil rights are you libs.

  188. Dave of the Jungle says:

    You seem not to understand what a Democracy is.

  189. samizdat says:

    I wrote in “Pfc. Bradley Manning”.

    …Dog damn, I hope that pisses you off…’cos, it’s fun.

  190. Naja pallida says:

    Except that pesky problem that the Declaration of Independence isn’t a legal document. And I realize that it is tough to grasp, but “alter or abolish” a government also does not mean “Arm yourself and threaten violent revolt any time the majority of a elected government disagrees with you.”

  191. samizdat says:

    You, sir, are a degenerate, and a sociopath.

    “…use dead children as props…” Disgusting.

  192. code3cover says:

    Unlike you, I don’t resort to name calling and personal insults.
    Insulting a group of Americans willing to put on an uniform and put ourselves in harms way does not help your cause, whatever that is.

    I’d like to have a civil conversation with real discussions on the issue.

    Yes, one of Australian and South African gun control’s unintended consequences has been that assault/ambush on police officers for their guns have sharply increased.

    And please actually read Warren v DC if you’d like to have a real discussion, rather than name-calling and personal insults. Short of having a full presidential protection detail for every individual citizen, there is no possible way for police to protect every citizen like body guards 24/7 and save you from an in-progress home invasion robbery. It takes a few seconds for a robber with a gun to kick in your door and kill you. Police will not get there in time. Short of having a full 24/7 police detail in your house (do you really want that?) watching your every move, there is no way for police to protect individual citizens. Police duty to protect is to the general public, not to individual citizens like 24/7 body guards. This is what the US Supreme Court recognized in the landmark case Warren v DC. This is why I advise my own parents and my in-laws to keep firearms in their houses and learn how to use them.

    Like I said, rather than name-calling and personal insults, why can’t we have civil discussions on the issues?

  193. BeccaM says:

    As a police officer, I wouldn’t expect you to have been exposed to the same coursework in surveys and statistical analysis I had while in college, as well as a work-study Research Assistant position with the Sociology department where my job was… wait for it… to conduct supervised scientific surveys using rigorous methodologies and to analyze the resulting data for publication.

    The PoliceOne online community is NOT a valid population from which to draw a representative sample, especially since the survey in question was entirely opt-in. It’s like saying “90% of MoveOn.org respondents completed a survey in which they said they were in favor of X.” Or to ask the DailyKos community how they plan to vote and then conclude (falsely) that 90% of the country must be Democratic party members. Not only is the sample population already skewed, there’s additional bias introduced when participants pick themselves. At that point, you will mostly get people who feel very emotional about an issue.

  194. samizdat says:

    I read about this, through Yahoo of all things. This is a shameful thing to happen to the people of Istanbul. Not only the police violence, but the fact that one of the last PUBLIC parks in Istanbul is being eliminated for a frickin’ shopping mall.

    Don’t be so dismissive of this person my fellow Americans. Do you really think that the oil and gas lobbies aren’t going to try to get chunks of state and National Parks, if they find ‘resources’ on them? Maybe not now, but judging by the direction of the country, please don’t rule it out. Oil and gas cos essentially have free reign on any BLM land they want. And there have been recent efforts to open up uranium mining–for the second time since the forties or fifties–in Grand Canyon National Park.

    Besides, the way I see it, as a human being, his struggle is my struggle.

  195. karmanot says:

    They’ll have to pry my torch gun out of my cold dead Creme Brule!

  196. Monoceros Forth says:

    It’s not homophobic.

  197. Monoceros Forth says:

    Eh, I’ve used it myself to be honest. The word implies a level of anger and overreaction completely disproportionate to the cause. It’s the sort of word you apply to people who scream and beat their breasts online because of something that George Lucas said.

  198. karmanot says:

    Says concern troll furiously fanning himself in outrage.

  199. Freedonian says:

    Did you realize that the Declaration Of Independence is not a governing document of the the United States of America?

  200. karmanot says:

    The Mormons have that one down, Mr. Jesus spent the lost years being a Mormon and ACTUALLY visited Utah.

  201. jpvoodoo says:

    Again, You still haven’t given an explanation for why it is acceptable to
    profile one large group of people, but to do so to another large groups is verboten.

  202. karmanot says:

    God forbid, you trolls have absolutely no sense of humor.

  203. karmanot says:

    Please translate into standard English I don’t know rap.

  204. jpvoodoo says:

    What does stereotyping have to do with ADHD? And how does being unfortunate enough to have ADHD equate to guilt for a terrorist act?. Now suffering from ADHD makes someone responsible? Are you insulting those with ADHD and claiming they are all terrorists? Wouldn’t the letters have been laced with Ritalin instead of Ricin?

  205. code3cover says:

    You are correct that NRA hijacked the survey to suit its purpose and did not honestly present the survey. This is why I didn’t say “most LEO’s did not believe in background checks.” However, if you read the actual survey, it is not done by NRA. It’s done by PoliceOne. Although it is not a true scientific survey done with true randomized sample, PoliceOne is one of the largest on-line community of law enforcement officers, and with 15,000 respondents to the survey, it should give you a glimpse into the minds of law enforcement.

    And like I said, misrepresentations occur on both sides. The administration (and the liberal media) keep using the “up to 40% gun sales do not go through background checks,” knowing full well that the statistics comes from a sample size of 251, before the current Brady law took effect, and did not ask or verify about background check status of respondents’ response (many individual FFL’s do not have brick and mortar stores, but still do background checks).

    You may be surprised to find that we may be more alike in our view than not. I am not a NRA member, just an LEO. What I want to see is an honest conversation of both sides with real solutions, not sensational articles like this, from either side.

    And on the topic of realistic universal background checks (of all bona fide private sales, not buddies loaning guns for a hunting trip or fathers passing gun down to sons), I am supportive of the idea. However, my concern is that logistically we currently do not have a functional database to work from. The Right has been complaining that current background denials are not being prosecuted — yeah, it’s because vast majority of current background check denials are “false hits.” Our current database is “garbage in, garbage out.” So rather than pouring another billion dollar into the current useless database, we need an honest effort to fix the current database first — and NOBODY from EITHER SIDE is talking about this!!! This is what doomed the Canadian database — billions of dollars spent on garbage data over years, to be eventually abandoned as useless. I don’t want to see us go down that road. It is very frustrating as an LEO that many of our “warrant hits” in NCIC are false hits/garbage data. NICS database draws largely from NCIC database…

  206. karmanot says:

    That’s so hot!

  207. karmanot says:

    Agreed. Like ‘austerity’, cutting Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, gutting the public school system and aid to hungry children.

  208. BeccaM says:

    It’s basically homophobic slang. Nearly all of these visiting gun-fetish trolls hate gay people. Some of ’em say they don’t, then throw around terms like ‘metro-sexual wimp’ and ‘butt-hurt’ and ‘bed-buddies.’ And I’m sure most of them, while growing up, had a huge fondness for screaming the f-word (f****t) at any kid they didn’t like.

  209. jpvoodoo says:

    Now it’s the zombies’ fault? Profiling zombies now?

  210. You apparently have a great imagination. Out there but active none the less.

  211. karmanot says:

    Thanks for biting tizzy one.

  212. Already did, but apparently you and your buddies are incapable of basic comprehension. So it’s on you.

  213. jpvoodoo says:

    Whether he scratches himself is his business and of no consequence to you. You ought to just be thankful he’s not touching your keyboard. You still haven’t given an explanation for why it is acceptable to
    profile one large group of people, but to do so to another large groups is verboten. His point still stands, scratch or no scratch. And if he wants to risk spilling beer into his keyboard, that’s his right too. After all, you didn’t pay for it.

  214. Awww, diddums get scarwed by da big mean man on the interwebs?!

  215. Nunya says:

    It does seem strange that a gun nut would use the phrase “before you get my guns”. I mean every gun control advocate in the country uses the phrase “take their guns” as a joke, would someone who was actually concerned about gun control laws use the same phrase ? I seriously doubt it. It sounds more like a caricature of a gun nut than an actual gun nut. I’m surprised that whoever wrote that didn’t throw in the word “ain’t” for good measure.

  216. Not a history buff are you…

    Straight from the Declaration of Independence…

    “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

  217. Didn’t read what I wrote in it’s entirety did you. Instead of passing yet another feel good law that will do nothing to solve the problem how about fixing whats out there as well as enforcing the ones we have.

  218. karmanot says:

    Ah, it was prison wasn’t it?

  219. code3cover says:

    No, didn’t read it on Wiki. Learned about it in my constitutional law class.
    Hope your hat is tasty =)

  220. karmanot says:

    It’s X rated, so better tell the kids to leave the room.

  221. I am a black man that has dealt with a lot of crap in my life. I am also a former Marine. The attacks are the draconian attempts to disarm the law abiding citizens and to undermine a fundamental right by the liberals.

  222. karmanot says:

    Can’t answer the question can you?

  223. The idiot would be you, look no further than Afghanistan to see what a determined rebel force is capable of.

  224. Fiction… it does in FACT cover all forms of arms, hence the verbiage… “… right to bear arms…”

  225. lynchie says:

    I call horseshit on you.

  226. karmanot says:

    It didn’t. Obozo is even further to the right than a cracked-pot like you.

  227. lynchie says:

    He got u confused. there is no conversation

  228. karmanot says:

    But, but that shaved head, combat drag and prison tattoos are supposed to make up for it.

  229. MrApple says:

    Up to this point, the majority of what you’ve written has been little more then mental masturbation.

  230. karmanot says:

    Actually, what it says is that gun purchases are at an all time high, but gun ownership is actually down. Stay sober Wizzer and don’t shoot yourself in the face.

  231. lynchie says:

    It doesn’t count because we used a gun.

  232. lynchie says:

    Bullshit. You never said a word when Bush took your rights away. It all about macho little dick guys with guns.

  233. MrApple says:

    Irritating you is all the payment that I require.

  234. karmanot says:

    How did you know.? But, I will share with you that my strokes are usually pleasurable.

  235. karmanot says:

    ppppfffftttt I hope you are getting paid for this.

  236. MrApple says:

    It would seem that the “useful idiots” of the American electorate don’t agree with you. That kind of sedition from you should be marked down for later investigation by the present administration.

  237. ckg1 says:

    You presume too much.

    A. I do NOT back drone attacks for a number of reasons…not the least of which is that will come back and bite us in the ASS sooner or later.

    B. No President, whether he’s a Democrat or Republican, deserves to have that much power.

  238. MrApple says:

    If you say so.

  239. MrApple says:

    And how did that work out for you.

  240. MrApple says:

    Maybe while you search Obama will have a few more Americans killed with drones, for OUR safety.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americans-in-drone-strikes.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  241. ckg1 says:

    And you suffer from diarrhea of the keyboard.

  242. MrApple says:

    From the content of your writing I must conclude that you have had a stroke. Seek medical assistance.

  243. karmanot says:

    I didn’t vote for Obama or the Mormon troll.

  244. karmanot says:

    But troll hunting is so fun and guarantied by both the 1st and 2nd Amendment.

  245. ckg1 says:

    No, you didn’t. All you did was go scan all the right-wing blogs, etc. and find the sleaziest amount of dirt you could and TRY to make a case out of it. Well, FAIL.

    Dorner, my friend, was ranting like crazy in that post you so love to quote. Never mind, of course, that he was a COP.

    That “pro-abortion” person you quote? Well, I’ll see that one, and raise you Eric Rudolph…Michael Griffin…Rev. Paul Hill…John Salvi…Scott Roeder…and James Kopp. Face it, pal, for every person you can dig up, I’ll find a LOT more. You’re not going to win the battle.

  246. karmanot says:

    “The author of this article stated how much “violence comes from gay people (perhaps one attack in 20 years),” Well, there was that one time a bunch of us laughed and called you the Donald because your rug didn’t match the drapes and that other time your gun was too small for combat. One man’s attack is another man’s dish. Advice: stay out of wide-stance public toilets.

  247. MrApple says:

    It wouldn’t seem that from the results of the 2012 election that you cared that much.

  248. karmanot says:

    Well, in your specific case, trite and condescending seem warranted.

  249. MrApple says:

    Look it up, I did. The author of this article stated how much “violence comes from gay people (perhaps one attack in 20 years),” “how many from anti-gun supporters (zero),” and “how much violent from pro-choicers (zero)”. I was just pointing put that these comments were false.

  250. karmanot says:

    We blame Obama too. Next BS statement….

  251. MrApple says:

    I love how Liberals blame Bush for the Patriot Act but conveniently forget that Obama signed the extension to the Patriot Act just a little over two years ago.

  252. runfastandwin says:

    Yeah I’m sure they’ll be real interested…

  253. ckg1 says:

    Too bad your post has NONE of it. Only boilerplate right-wing claptrap.

  254. MrApple says:

    Facts hurt.

  255. karmanot says:

    Bummer! maybe i should have used another word.

  256. karmanot says:

    Sending this threat on to the FBI.

  257. MrApple says:

    You better hope that they ALLOW you to keep those rights.

  258. karmanot says:

    Some of us pack dipshit. Don’t count on anyone of us being afraid.

  259. ckg1 says:

    You’d lose that bet.

    Every time.

  260. karmanot says:

    Half lemon aid, half orange pekoe with an infusion of lime and basil.

  261. ckg1 says:

    Far as I’m concerned, let them take themselves out with their precious guns.

    The less idiots I have to deal with on this planet, the better.

  262. karmanot says:

    I stay here just because I love the idea that you are paying taxes to fund my food stamps, make payments on my Cadi, pay for my kid’s education and keep my homeless ex vet cousin in booze while you thank him for his service and look down on him when you pass him on the sidewalk. These are just a few of the things that keep me here just to single you out.

  263. ckg1 says:

    No…you just think up ways to do it without even thinking about it.

    It’s as automatic as breathing.

  264. Freedonian says:

    Don’t forget about the tea bags stapled on the hat.

  265. karmanot says:

    It’s the zombies that live under the flat earth that concerns moi.

  266. ckg1 says:

    And the shoveling of lies continues….

  267. karmanot says:

    You are absolutely right. Just because he set down his Bud light on the keyboard to scratch himself is no reason to criticize his lack of acuity.

  268. Buford says:

    I’m guessing you’re too dense to have actually read the excerpt of the letter above… the one which clearly confirms that the author is a typical NRA gun nut?

  269. ckg1 says:

    And you’re shoveling so much bullshit Seabiscuit can’t keep up with the demand.

  270. karmanot says:

    No, actually facts are not the same as truth. They may lead to truth but not necessary. Now, squint real hard and try to concentrate. Facts are like beads on a string from which you may create one or all of the following: pearls, worry beads, a rosary or an abacus. Which of these is true. It’s OK to ask yo momma for help.

  271. ckg1 says:

    I think that’s Karmanot’s way of saying “Bullshit”.

  272. ckg1 says:

    Why the F is this here?

  273. karmanot says:

    No, actually I don’t read Confucius, but thanks for the complement Clitus.

  274. karmanot says:

    True, it is more difficult to do it standing up.

  275. karmanot says:

    Anonymous sources have revealed (sotto voce) that you are a douche bag, yes, can you imagine: A DOUCHE BAG! OMG

  276. karmanot says:

    :The girls who was found rolling in animal feces blamed others.” You mean the Bush girls at that kegger?

  277. karmanot says:

    You forgot ACORN and Whitewater.

  278. runfastandwin says:

    Send me your address, and I’ll send you a letter, and see how you like it.

  279. karmanot says:

    “and historical evidence of action.” You mean dead fish float downstream?

  280. karmanot says:

    True, all gas and no burn.

  281. karmanot says:

    rothfl Oh dude I can just see your tri-corn hat popping with patriotic indignation because someone stole your wig and powder no doubt.

  282. karmanot says:

    I’m trying to visualize ‘mealy.’

  283. karmanot says:

    “Metrosexual” Jeez, where have you been for the past decade Rip Van Not cool. Not prison is it?

  284. Dave of the Jungle says:

    “…just like every other recent act of terrorism of mass violence in this country’s recent history.”

    So, EVERY recent act of terrorism or mass violence was done by a registered Democrat. You’d be willing to bet. Well, isn’t that special? How about the Oklahoma City bombing?

    How about 9/11?

    Think much?

  285. karmanot says:

    Fact: the 2nd Amendment does not covers all forms of arms.

  286. karmanot says:

    Not to mention, pearls before swine.

  287. karmanot says:

    Poor, Crabby Appleton

  288. karmanot says:

    I don’t imagine a single one of them has been in Iraq or Afghanistan.

  289. karmanot says:

    They probably think ‘arrogate’ is another word for douche.

  290. karmanot says:

    Marx my words Bang Stick!

  291. karmanot says:

    What does butt hurt mean?

  292. karmanot says:

    “I love how you guys paint gun rights supporters as nuts.’ What guys? You do realize that many of us responsible gun owners?

  293. karmanot says:

    “That’s why Obama had to use dead children as props since the facts weren’t on his side.” Oh, dear, that’s just terrible! Did he also BBQ them and eat them in a secret satanic Muslim ritual?

  294. Justin Myrick says:

    You gonna contribute to the conversation, or just be trite and condescending? “Yawn” that’s a real cogent argument you make there…

  295. karmanot says:

    That sounds perfectly falafel!

  296. Justin Myrick says:

    The SCOTUS has already made that decision in Heller vs. DC, stating that the 2A is an individual right to own and carry firearms in COMMON use for self defense. AR-15’s and AK-47 variants are commonly owned therefore protected by the 2A.

  297. karmanot says:

    “do you paint 300 million people with the same brush” Actually, I would use 300 million individual clean brushes for hygiene’s sake.

  298. karmanot says:

    It’s even worse, Democrats killed Jesus.

  299. Dave of the Jungle says:

    The point is that people decide such matters in an ongoing process.

  300. Monoceros Forth says:

    Man, Tim McVeigh would probably be pissed if he heard you accuse him of being a Democrat.

  301. Sean Malahy says:

    I’d be willing to bet any ricin laced letters sent to politicians were sent by a registered democrat, just like every other recent act of terrorism of mass violence in this country’s recent history.

  302. pappyvet says:

    Pure mythology meant to excuse the hatred. Those experienced in Internet-based discourse are well aware that nastiness abounds on all sides, particularly in the political realm. But the quantity of this nastiness can also be telling. What’s striking about sites like Free Republic and Little Green Footballs, for instance, is not just the ugliness of the rhetoric, but the sheer overbearing mass of it.Rewriting history by omission, of course is a republican staple as well as rending their garments with fake indignation when a progressive defends themselves with like rhetoric. We are going to defend ourselves from objectives like;

    Rush Limbaugh: “I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus” and

    Melanie Morgan: “I would have no problem with [New York Times editor Bill Keller] being sent to the gas chamber.” and

    Lee Rogers: “The day will come when unpleasant things are going to happen to a bunch of liberals and it’s going to be very amusing to watch.”

    and

    Ann Coulter:”My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.”

    and

    “We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too.” also Ann Coulter
    If now we have finally decided to stand up and defend ourselves from the completely unAmerican and paranoid half truths and religious like mythology created by the right,you will just have to get used to it.

  303. MrApple says:

    Does that “period” designation also count for the 1st Amendment? I guess smart phones, cell phones, TVs, radios, computers of all types, eBooks, the internet, etc. shouldn’t be covered by the Bill of Rights as well.

  304. Bill McNutty says:

    The author is jumping to a lot of assumptions since we do not know who actually sent these letters. And if a “gun nut” actually did send them, do you paint 300 million people with the same brush based on the actions of one nut? This is a foolish article and deserves to be laughed at. LOL.

  305. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Wrong. Someone must DECIDE if the Amendment pertains only to period weapons or generalizes to any technology available. Hopefully, the people who make such decisions are smarter than the you.

  306. Turkish People needs your help says:

    Attention! Turkish democracy needs you!

    After a series of peaceful demonstrations for preserving a recreational area in Istanbul city center which is planned to demolished for the construction of a shopping mall, Turkish police attacked the protesters violently with tear gas and water cannon, directly targeting their faces and bodies. Dozens of protesters are hospitalized and access to the park is blocked without any legal basis. Turkish media, directly controlled by the government or have business and political ties with it, refuse to cover the incidents. Press agencies also blocked the information flow.

    Please share this message for the world to become aware of the police state created by AKP of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, which is often considered to be a model for other Middle Eastern countries. Turkish democracy expects your help. Thank you!

    International Human Rights Organizations and Dear Friends, Comrades, Press Members from all over the world;

    This is an urgent call from human rights defenders, activists, NGOs, professional chambers, grassroots, neighbourhood associations and Istanbulites.

    Since the 27th of May,Istanbulites from all social and political backgrounds and ages and from all over the city had been continuing a peaceful resistance in Gezi Park, the city’s largest public park, soon to be demolished due to a renewal project. According to the project, decades old trees in the park will be cut down and a big mall in the replica of the once Ottoman Artillery Barracks (Topçu Kışlası)will be erected:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgBRGl341ZA

    http://www.bianet.org/english/english/147016-demonstrators-plant-trees-against-destruction-in-taksim-gezi-park

    The police intervened in the park 3 times, each more violent than the other:

    The first intervention was in the morning of May 28th, a crowd of about 50 protestors were tear gased

    directly on their faces:

    http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201305302148-0022796

    To give solidarity to the protestors, hundreds arrived in the evening and the occupation movement got larger. Right afterwards, the second intervention came early in the morning of May 30th at 5 am, the riot police set fire to the tents and tear gas and pepper sprays were used incessantly, causing serious injuries:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suEVcTIpzxA&list=UUNwGZGYteEB64ywTGCn0w2g&index=2

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/protester-to-undergo-surgery-after-morning-police-intervention-at-taksim-park–.aspx?pageID=238&nID=47878&NewsCatID=341

    Against this inhumanity and extreme violence , the reaction was the occupation of the park, this time by thousands.

    And this morning proved to be the culmination of violence and barbarism that no words can describe, with an unproportional use of force. The exit of the park was blocked, the group was thus locked in the park and was taken under the crossfire of tear gas and pepper bombs, choked to death.The only way was by breaking the walls and many were wounded:

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/protester-to-undergo-surgery-after-morning-police-intervention-at-taksim-park–.aspx?pageID=238&nID=47878&NewsCatID=341.

    At the moment brutal interventions against protestors continue, after the press call, while the group was leaving, it was pepper sprayed and tear gased once more!

    At the moment, some of the group is in Divan Hotel at Elmadag.

    Literally, almost all parts of Taksim (where Gezi Park is) is tear gassed and pepper gas sprayed especially the streets around Taksim are under clouds of gas

    Dear friends, we need nothing else to add, the scenes talk themselves.

    The resistance for democracy and human rights will not be terminated; we are determined to continue our struggle against a government determined to crush each and every oppositon, a government that can not tolerate even a peaceful opposition for saving trees. The Turkish government, has violated all international human rights conventions and mechanisms it is a party to.

    Your valuable support and solidarity will indeed fortify our determination and resistance. Please share it, name it and shame it and blame it so that this insanity and brutality practiced against human rights defenders can be terminated through intrnational pressure.

    CALL TO THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITEE

    This is also a call to the IOC to take Turkey out of its list of 2020.

    If Olympics means friendship, if Olympic Games mean peace and companionship, these videos are enough proof of how the government violates the ideals of Olympics. Having Istanbul on the list will be tantamount to pepper gasing these ideals.

    In the name of solidarity and friendship

    Urban Movements Istanbul / Habitat International Coalition

    To all my dear friends all around the world. We Turkish people are losing our basic human rights under conservative democracy.

    Pls check out share the following link.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/01/world/europe/police-attack-protesters-in-istanbuls-taksim-square.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  307. Dave of the Jungle says:

    QUOTE OF THE WEEK

    “…if someone can afford a Blackhawk, they should be able to buy one.”

    Here, on AmericaBlog

  308. BeccaM says:

    Actually, from your comments above re: ‘metro-sexual wimps’, I’d say I was right on the mark.

  309. Monoceros Forth says:

    Touche, touché.

  310. Monoceros Forth says:

    Heh. I think that’s what’s really funny, in a macabre way, about this whole business. These self-proclaimed patriots who are the true defenders of our freedom, so they say, are absolutely fucking nowhere when freedom needs defending! If any of these wannabe commandos manages to do anything more than maybe murder a census-taker (or a schoolyard full of defenceless eight-year-olds) I’d be really goddamned surprised.

  311. Hmm says:

    Thank goodness Obama came along and stopped that.

  312. samizdat says:

    Your downvote is probably someone who doesn’t understand what ‘arrogate’ means. Plus…he/she is a gun nut, so there’s that.

  313. Wizz says:

    There are currently 120 million gun owners, most new buyers are first time buyers and minorities.

  314. Monoceros Forth says:

    “Metrosexual”? Phew! What’s next, complaining about long-haired hippies? Your bravery in moaning about nonexistent problems just astounds me with your manliness, sweetheart. Take me, I’m yours!

  315. Wizz says:

    Latest State Department report says that gun ownership is at all time highs while accidents are at all time lows, so shooting each other won’t happen according to facts. Most new buyers are first time buyers and minorities.

  316. FLL says:

    Letters with ricin poison don’t sound very chest-beating macho. Sending letters with ricin poison is more like what the mean girls in middle school would do, especially if they didn’t make the cheerleading squad like they wanted. Am I being overly critical? Come on. You guys remember middle school, don’t you?

  317. Wizz says:

    AK47s are not sold or legal here…AK47s are full auto. And background checks already exist for ALL retail store, gun show vendor, and internet sales. All internet orders go to a dealer who performs a background check before the weapon is sold, it will NEVER come to your house. And gang-bangers don’t pay full retail and subject themselves to a mandatory background check, learn the laws before you speak.

  318. Wizz says:

    WRONG. The latest State Department report says gun ownership is at all time highs while accidents are at all time lows…DOJ and FBI stats back this up as well. That’s why Obama had to use dead children as props since the facts weren’t on his side. And background checks already exist for ALL retail, gun show vendor, and internet sales…ALL of them. And dealers do not skirt these laws since the small profit margin in firearms isn’t worth 10 years in prison. Get educated on facts.

  319. Hal Romberg says:

    Might want to rethink the “murderers are gun nuts” and gun nuts are murderers” assertion there buddy. I think you’ll be surprised if you look up the background of the bad guys who do most of the bad things. You’ll find that they’re overwhelmingly………..Democrats. I mean, let’s face it. A libertarian or moderate conservative really just wants to live and let live. It pretty much takes a Liberal to decide it’s a good idea to go off a bunch of people that never hurt him. Don’t worry though. Extremist liberals and extremist conservatives look and act pretty much alike. They both think it’s OK to initiate force against others who aren’t harming anyone.

    Unfortunately with your advocating sending gunmen to stop peaceful people from pursuing happiness, their own way, it sounds like you’re one of them.

  320. Justin Myrick says:

    cite your sources. I called shennanigans.

  321. texcynical says:

    40 million Democratic gun owners are joining the NRA?

  322. texcynical says:

    Who doesn’t want you to have guns? I don’t want you to have an AK-47 or its kind. But otherwise, knock yourself out (after a background check, of course).

  323. K3HY says:

    More right wing nut jobs end up shooting themselves with their own guns anyway than criminals shoot anyone, so by all means buy all the guns you can.

  324. Justin Myrick says:

    What mounting evidence? That DOJ report released recently that stated that over the last 20 years ALL violent crime rates have dropped by half, including gun crimes? Even while concealed carry laws have been adopted by most states and gun ownership has actually increased? That mounting evidence? I think you are misinformed.

  325. lynchie says:

    Because you are all guilty of ADHD

  326. Joe B. says:

    So if you all don’t want me to have guns, how exactly should I defend myself against criminals who don’t follow gun laws? I love how you guys paint gun rights supporters as nuts. In Seattle a politician filed a bill that would have a Sheriff come into the home of a gun owner and inspect their guns. With no warrants and no probable. Luckily, there are some people who look out for these things and the backlash built up fast, in liberal Seattle mind you. Then this same politicians tries to say this was a mistake of the starrer who drafted the bill. A day later it was reviewed that the same language, word for word had been included in proposed legislation in 2008 and 2010. How are gun rights supporters even supposed to trust policitians if they repeatedly lie about their intended actions?

  327. Justin Myrick says:

    And Obama renewed the Patriot Act. And I know plenty of 2A supporters that are none too happy about the Patriot Act or the NDAA. Supporting the 2A isn’t just about guns, it’s about protecting ALL our rights.

  328. lynchie says:

    You can;’t even deal with your Mommy. Put your PJ’s on a suck your thumb

  329. Monoceros Forth says:

    I prefer Orson Welles’s formulation: “Never touch shit, even with gloves. The gloves get shitty but the shit doesn’t get any glovier.”

  330. Wizz says:

    What’s funny is that there are over 40 million ticked off Democrat gun owners who are joining the NRA in droves due to Obama’s and Bloomberg’s gun control efforts that only help criminals. This is not a party issue it’s an American issue. My brother joined the NRA and he doesn’t even own a gun. Clinton lost both the House and Senate in one day due to his gun control attempts, and gun ownership is twice as popular today compared to Clinton’s Presidency. What is even funnier is how butt-hurt some people were when the Tsarnaev bomber brothers turned out to be Muslim based terrorists instead of white kids. Democrats are jumping ship in droves right now, most current gun buyers being minorities and first time buyers. Can’t say Clinton didn’t warn them a couple months ago!

  331. Bang Stick says:

    P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A

    Your communist handlers must be so proud.

  332. lynchie says:

    what heritage do you have asshole. and no one is attacking i just would like to know what paranoid nutjobs have guns. Guns don’t kill people do makes sense to me.

  333. MrApple says:

    Yea, it seems all a little too convenient that a “pro-gun nut-job” sends letters laced with Ricin and the media instantly has something else to focus on other than the Benghazi Scandal, the IRS Scandal, and the AP records scandal.

  334. jomicur says:

    If you really have been kicked, I imagine it was in the head.

  335. lynchie says:

    And they are prepared to take on an F-16. idiot

  336. lynchie says:

    80 million gun owners 400 million guns seems about right. By the way I agree guns don’t kill people do that is why I want back ground checks on all you nut job, deranged, ADHD, paranoid skitzoids.

  337. lynchie says:

    Then what did you say as Bush took away your rights with the Patriot Act and unwarrented wire tappings. Not a fucking peep. Keep your guns hopefully you will shoot each other.

  338. Monoceros Forth says:

    Man, it’s absolutely mind-boggling how vehemently the gun nuts react to stuff like this. Gonna get round to freeing us from tyranny any time, boys? You weren’t anywhere in sight when Bush Junior was busy arrogating unlimited powers to himself in the name of the war on terrorism.

  339. MrApple says:

    Liberal smugness looks good on you.

  340. MrApple says:

    I would be pissed too if someone called me a Democrat.

  341. MrApple says:

    Where is this mounting evidence?

  342. MrApple says:

    Typical attempt at taking the argument to an absurd extreme. The 2nd Amendment crowd wants to keep their “evil assault rifles” and handguns so they must, by Liberal deduction, want A-bombs, tanks, and RPGs as well.

  343. MrApple says:

    There really is a compost pile of bullshit in this article but I will only touch on two quick points.

    “How much of the violence comes from gay people (perhaps one attack in 20 years), and how much from the anti-gays (hate crimes abound). How many from anti-gun supporters (zero), and how many from gun nuts (there are shootings every week). How much violent from pro-choicers (zero), and how much from pro-lifers (all the abortion doctor murders, for starters).”

    How about Obama supporter and anti-gun for the common folks guy? Chris Dorner.

    How about the gay rights supporter who had recently volunteered at an LGBT community center in the D.C and then went on a short shooting spree while carrying Chick-fil-A sandwiches at an office for the Family Research Council in Washington, D.C.? Floyd Lee Corkins.

    How about a pro-abortion supporter that was sentenced last year to 41 months in prison for sending death threats to a number of Pro-life leaders? Theodore Shulman. (He may not count to the author since he didn’t have the chance to actually do any shooting or killing.)

    The author of this “article” seems to have a selective memory but this is par from the course with those suffering from the mental disorder known as Liberalism.

  344. Naja pallida says:

    One writer’s opionion on the matter does not change the actual word of law as written in the Constitution. Armed insurrection, and inciting armed insurrection, is illegal by any definition of our law, and by legal precedent.

  345. Naja pallida says:

    The existing system has holes so big in it, it might as well not exist at all. Which, really, you make my arguemnt. They weren’t even trying to pass a new system. They were just trying to fix what already exists, and even that was too difficult for Congress to handle.

  346. TravelTruth says:

    The 2nd amendment covers any type of weapon, much like the 1st amendment covers Television and Internet. Yes, if someone can afford a Blackhawk, they should be able to buy one.

  347. jomicur says:

    You’re absolutely right. How could anyone think a threat to shoot someone is terroristic? Silly me. Gee, I sure wish I was as smart as a gun nut. LOL!

  348. FuzzyRabbit says:

    “Torture, rape, murder, imprisonment, and threats are used daily to keep people from rising up. What is the one thing that these nations have in common? They disarm the populace.”

    Wrong. Neither the Soviets nor the Nazis disarmed the populace. Neither do Islamic governments. What totalitarian nations have in common is that unions and opposing political parties are outlawed and their leadership imprisoned.

    PS – No one wants to confiscate your guns. In fact, the Obama administration has relaxed gun laws.

  349. bossmanham says:

    I don’t lie to deprive people of their civil rights.

  350. Dave of the Jungle says:

    “mealy wimp liberals”

    Deep.

  351. bossmanham says:

    Sure, so let’s just make laws that hurt otherwise good people. That’s the answer!

  352. Terroristic threat? Only a Liberal would come up with that idiocy. Thanks to you morons we have become a nation of metro-sexual wimps. You wonder why kids are killing themselves over being bullied… it’s because of mealy wimp liberals making everything scary and threatening.

  353. Number Six says:

    ” (Or are you suggesting citizens should be allowed to have fully automatic firearms, mines, RPGs, tanks, and helicopter gunships?)”
    Stop giving them ideas!
    :)

  354. TheDaywalkersDad says:

    Why don’t you tell us your plan for dealing with guns then? Make sure that you explain how we’re going to stop criminals from acting like criminals, and how we’re going to deal with 300 million guns currently in this country. Take a few minutes to talk about how a war gun (owners) would be more successful than the war on drugs.
    I look forward to be enlightened by your vast wisdom.

  355. And they were owned by whom…. private citizens of the colonies. Currently we have people that own an array of military aircraft out there. There are numerous military style aircraft possessed by citizens. Granted they have to meet disarmament requirements (which I believe to be un-Constitutional) but I am sure it wouldn’t take much to arm them…

  356. Number Six says:

    Maybe they’re like the Puritans: confused. Puritans had rules that said a husband HAD to regularly have sex with his wife, but if they held hands in public they’d be put in the stocks. (And you wonder why Americans society is so screwed up?)

  357. jomicur says:

    Thank you very much for demonstrating just how sane, sensible and responsible gun owners are. I mean, what could be more sane, sensible and responsible than terroristic threats? God bless Amerika!

  358. TheDaywalkersDad says:

    `Of course, the dirty little secret is that Second Amendment advocates want their guns in order to fight the government, not the blacks and the immigrants. ‘

    Actually the secret (not really to those that are not lefty ‘Journalists’) is that 2nd Amendment advocates want their guns for defense, sporting purposes, and recreation. The vast majority of gun rights supporters are not preparing to fight the government. That’s not necessary today.
    I understand that it doesn’t take a knowledge of history, current events, or even logical thinking, to write an anti gun article. The standards for journalists have been weakened over the last few decades. It’s enough that you support a certain candidate or political philosophy. Actual skills and ability seems to be irrelevant.
    I would like to make a point or two for those that think it’s paranoia to fear government oppression.
    There are brutal and oppressive governments all over the globe. Torture, rape, murder, imprisonment, and threats are used daily to keep people from rising up. What is the one thing that these nations have in common? They disarm the populace.
    America is not one of these countries… today. Can you say that we won’t be in 20 years? How about 50 years? Is there some reason why this nation can never follow Cuba, Venezuela, or China? Perhaps there’s something in the water that prevents tyranny?
    I seriously doubt that anyone really is preparing to fight the government at this time, but a lot of us wonder what kind of country our grandchildren or great grandchildren will be living in. Consider that it wasn’t that long ago that the (Democrat Administration) government locked up Japanese Americans in internment camps. Jim Crow laws lasted from the 1880’s to the 1960’s with government support. We experimented on our own troops in the both the 1st and 2nd world wars. Forced sterilizations were done for at least decades during the 20th century. This list can go and on.
    It would take a very stupid person (or a Lefty ‘Journalist’) to believe that Americans will always enjoy the freedoms that they have today just because we’re America. No one in recorded history has had the rights that we currently enjoy. Shortsighted individuals should realize that giving up rights that they don’t use is not the way to keep the ones that they do cherish.

  359. Number Six says:

    so…….you mean when you’re in civilization?

  360. Number Six says:

    Nor the Dems, apparently

  361. Why is it that those who use guns to kill movie goers and children in schools are progressive Democrats?

    Columbine School shootings – April 20, 1999 – thirteen premeditated murders by NAME REMOVED and NAME REMOVED, too young to vote but both from families who were progressive liberals and registered Democrats.

    VA Tech shootings– April 16, 2004 – thirty-two premeditated murders by NAME REMOVED, a registered Democrat who had written hate mail to President George W. Bush.

    Fort Hood shootings – November 5, 2009 – thirteen premeditated murders by Major NAME REMOVED, a Muslim and a registered Democrat.

    Aurora, CO. Century Theater shootings – July 20, 2012 – twelve premeditated murders by NAME REMOVED, a registered Democrat, Occupy Wall Street participant, and a progressive liberal who had been a staff worker on the Obama election campaign.

    Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings – December 14, 2012 – twenty-seven premeditated murders by NAME REMOVED, a registered Democrat whose facebook rants showed he despised Christians.

    NAME REMOVED. REMOVED pleaded guilty to 19 charges of murder and attempted murder, in connection with the shooting in Tucson, Arizona, on January 8, 2011, in which he shot and severely injured U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords. High school friend Zach Osler said, “He did not watch TV; he disliked the news; he didn’t listen to political radio; he didn’t take sides; he wasn’t on the Left; he wasn’t on the Right. But a former classmate, Caitie Parker, who attended high school and college with REMOVED, described his political views prior to 2007 as “left wing, quite liberal,”radical.”

    101 murders (mostly women and children) and ALL of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats – – none were NRA members – – none were members of a Tea Party – – none were conservative Republicans. Interesting, isn’t it?

    NAMES REMOVED TO STOP MEMORIALIZING THE CRIMINALS.

  362. Freedonian says:

    Privateers were licensed by Congress through ‘Letters of Marque and Reprisal’ under the War Powers Clause of Art 1, Sec. 8 of the Constitution and none have been issued for at least a century.

  363. This isn’t a high school popularity contest it’s about our fundamental rights and how they are being assaulted. Maybe you don’t mind being kicked but some of us do. I think my analogy fits and it fits within the context of the birth of our nation. The colonists were kicked by King George one too many times and you know what set off the revolution? The red coats came for the colonists guns and powder.

  364. Monoceros Forth says:

    Hard to miss something that never existed in the first place, blinky.

  365. jerimia says:

    Very good, an intellectual. is it possible? But you missed the point.

  366. Blogvader says:

    There is none. Generally when hunting, your prey gives you one shot before they take off into the forest, so really, 29-99 extra bullets don’t do much to help you out in that regard.

  367. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Your inability to handle matters of substance has been duly noted.

  368. nmesub says:

    So one guy that sent three letters is an era of terrorism? Your article only on instills fear in the already weak and fearful.

  369. Yes it is you refuse to accept it as it violates how you feel.

  370. Freedonian says:

    Comments like yours embarrass reasonable gun rights supporters.

    Do you remember GHW Bush resigning his lifetime NRA membership when LaPierre called ATF agents ‘jack booted thugs’? Keep up the violent rhetoric, but do not be surprised when you lose in the court of public opinion.

  371. It already exists and it has been documented extensively that it works the problem is that when someone that isn’t supposed to have access to firearms attempts to make the purchase and is flagged in the check process they are not prosecuted let alone investigated. So the system breaks down.

    The other problem is the mental health aspect of the existing system has not been updated so that renders that aspect null and void. BUT the real issue is the continuous infringement on the RIGHTS of the people to bear arms. Criminals will get them but denying good people their rights only emboldens the criminals to use them.

  372. Jector The Jumanists says:

    What an irresponsible distortion of reality. No more or less shameful than the other side, though.

  373. Dave of the Jungle says:

    And you exemplify a thoughtless propagandist.

  374. jpvoodoo says:

    Well what do you have to say about holding every member of a very large group to be responsible in one instance but not in another. I thought profiling was a no no. That flat earth accusation works both ways doesn’t it? Either an entire group is responsible or it isn’t. You can’t have it both ways. Stereotyping is stereotyping.

  375. TheDaywalkersDad says:

    There are about 80 million gun owners in the US. You’re going to blame an entire group of people because MAYBE… a couple of gun owning nuts sent out 3 poisoned letters? I don’t think that those sending the letters represent the entire group of gun owning Americans, or even the NRA.

    Do you blame the NAACP when black teens riot (again and again) in Chicago? Do you blame AAA when people drive drunk? How about all car owners?

    It’s a shame that the author of this article is so uninformed and lacking in logic. Maybe this will get through to him. Should he be included with the “Journalists” that are doing bigfoot and UFO stories, or is there a difference?

    BTW, 80 million gun owners behaved themselves with their firearms today. I’m trying hard to understand how law abiding gun owners are constantly included with gang bangers, drug dealers, rapists, murderers, and other criminals. Gun rights advocates seem to be the only group that this standard applies to.

  376. I think you are quite confused.

  377. Naja pallida says:

    This legislative session all I was hoping for was a sensible background check system that actually had the capacity to prevent some people, who should not have them, from getting guns. But that’s a step too far for Mr. LaPierre, and his nutjob turds that cling to his crack. He isn’t for realistic laws. You may be, but he isn’t. You may be, but the Republican party in Congress isn’t.

  378. Uh, yes they are. And you exemplify the insanity of the left.

  379. cole3244 says:

    chicken hawks make me sick, maybe if they had to deal with incoming as the gun control advocates do rather than outgoing they might not be so ready to lock & load, return fire would show then to be the bullies and cowards they really are.

  380. Monoceros Forth says:

    You couldn’t bite your way through a spoonful of yoghurt, I bet. Christ, these Internet tough guys…

  381. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Not an answer to the question.

  382. Based on experience in dealing with liberal democrats and historical evidence of action.

  383. Dave of the Jungle says:

    And yours is?

  384. Strawman but yes, you do realize that the initial American Navy was comprised of privateers armed by private citizens. And that in the beginning of the war much of our artillery was donated or requested from the private citizens.

  385. Naja pallida says:

    Which is radical corporatist legislation?

  386. Your implication based not in factual premise.

  387. Drew2u says:

    (Sorry, this is the funniest comment I’ve read in a very long time; that, presumably, Cletus with a shotgun is preventing the Koch Bros and FOX from silencing the media or stopping the Patriot Act, is way too precious. Bless your heart, ma’am.)

  388. BeccaM says:

    Homophobic much?

  389. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch3I.html

    As is sufficiently illustrated by the documents assembled in chapters 2 and 17, propositions about rights form some of the basic premises of the Constitution. It is to secure these rights that governments are instituted among men. Just as an individual may take whatever actions he deems necessary to ward off his destruction or the perceived threat of
    his destruction, so too may a people act in their self-defense against a magistrate’s lawlessness or viciousness: “Whatever is lawful against a thief, who submits to no law, is lawful against him” (Sidney, no. 1).

    What others called the right of resistance or the right of revolution is at bottom the natural right of preservation. The supporting case was developed with bold thought and cautious speech by John Locke, whose Second Treatise (no. 2) rightly was regarded by many of the Founders as a fit
    and necessary text for a self-governing people. An executive’s use of force without right left a suffering people with no choice: “cry up their Gouvernours, as much as you will for Sons of Jupiter . . .; give them out for whom or what
    you please, the same will happen. The People generally ill treated, and contrary to right, will be ready upon any occasion to ease themselves of a burden that sits heavy upon them.” Far from instigating “Civil Wars, or Intestine Broils,” his doctrine (Locke insisted) would have an opposite effect. The mischiefs concocted by “a busie head, or turbulent spirit” would not succeed in the absence of a general sense of being wronged. In fact the people were, if anything, too slow to resent transgressions. Moreover, a people well instructed in their rights would reduce the likelihood of civil commotions by disabusing would-be tyrants of their wicked fancies.

  390. karmanot says:

    neo-cons are adept at using facts to prove falsehoods—-it’s call propaganda. Facts are not the same as truth.

  391. Drew2u says:

    Can you call them trolls if they sincerely believe what they are saying? I thought the definition of trolling was saying anything instigating irrelevant to that person’s actual belief and understanding.

    It’s like the, “A woman’s body has a way of shutting that whole thing down” comment. I’m sure that guy actually believed what he was saying, but does that make him a troll, or just a luddite to reality?

  392. karmanot says:

    I’m not a Democrat and I insinuation that resent.

  393. There is no such thing as “sensible” gun control laws. That’s a fallacy perpetuated by the liberals.

  394. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Does the 2nd Amendment cover the right to own a fully configured Black Hawk helicopter?

  395. Naja pallida says:

    That has always been my miff about the whole argument. The Constitution at no point allows for the people to stockpile weapons and rise up against the government in violent revolt. In fact, it has clauses that specifically restrict such acts, calling it treason. Incitement and promotion of such an act is called sedition.

  396. jerimia says:

    We know, just keeping your 1st Amendment rights available. You’re welcome.

  397. karmanot says:

    Well, clearly to reach your level we must, in fact, stoop quite low.

  398. karmanot says:

    Sorry Bubba your ‘hefty’ bag is full of roadkill.

  399. Dave of the Jungle says:

    The Michigan Militia was very impressive.

  400. Man! The liberals are foaming at the mouth today! Facts they are stubborn things. Fact is the 2nd Amendment covers all forms of arms. But you libs love to over look historical precedence and fact.

  401. karmanot says:

    Through in a cup of Mormon, a dash of abortion and a pinch of ‘gay’ marriage and you have troll stew.

  402. No, that would be one of your democrat bed buddies looking to pick yet another fight.

  403. karmanot says:

    That’s what I’m thinking!

  404. Drew2u says:

    “No Samesies!”

  405. karmanot says:

    “We can bite you from a long ways away.” Sent any ricin lately?

  406. Drew2u says:

    You don’t need a strong education to be part of the subservient class.

  407. When you use historical facts and logic you get down voted. Liberals cannot handle or accept truth… it debases their emotional foundations.

  408. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Failure to repeal the Abolition of Slavery…

  409. TheOriginalLiz says:

    In that case, nothing to worry about.

  410. Drew2u says:

    Read the Federalist Papers, but ignore, what was it – the Magna Carta, about Separation of Church and State because it wasn’t “part of the constitution”?
    Glad to see their principles are as strong as usual!

  411. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Having a clue presupposes a certain level of cognitive function.

  412. BeccaM says:

    But hey, at least the troll-swarms are driving up the ad-views, so it helps John keep the blog up and running. I’m sure they’d crap themselves if they had any clue they were supporting a progressive-liberal website.

  413. Monoceros Forth says:

    It’s not an argument against him at all. I don’t argue with flat-earthers, sweetheart.

  414. You kick a dog long enough and no matter how sweet and gentle that dog is… he’s going to turn and bite your dumb ass. It’s pretty much the same with us gun owners, you keep attacking us… people that have done nothing wrong, you demean us and our heritage and then you expect us to just keep taking it? We are the dog you idiots keep kicking… the difference? We can bite you from a long ways away.

  415. GoBlue says:

    Just like Ronald Reagan and Timothy McVeigh. You can say “Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem” only so many times before a disturbed individual decides that someone needs to strike a blow against government, and it might as well be him. I consider St. Ronnie as complicit as McVeigh and Terry Nichols in the Murrah Building terrorist attack.

  416. NukeWaste says:

    Its not just properly equipped. You have to practice regularly with it. You have to have it close by at all times, even in church.
    Sorry Eyeball. Most of the work that actually got the British so fed up with us that they left were guerrilla hits.. 1 or 2 people doing the 1700s version of a drive- by. Just because you want to be able to defend yourself against all enemies both foreign and domestic doesn’t make you a nut. It means that you are being realistic.

  417. jomicur says:

    The Second Amendment fundamentalists keep telling us that guns make us safer and that gun owners are all sane, sensible, responsible citizens. But the evidence keeps mounting–and mounting and mounting–that the exact reverse of those assertions is 100% correct.

  418. BeccaM says:

    You don’t know me, what I know, or what I have experienced in my lifetime. Don’t even pretend to have the slightest fucking clue that you do.

  419. jomicur says:

    Gore Vidal once commented that the real genius of the people who own this country is the way they keep us all fighting with one another instead of banding together to fight them. Each passing year shows that to be more true.

  420. Dave of the Jungle says:

    They think Junior High School playground taunting is an argument.

  421. jpvoodoo says:

    This is your best argument against him-that he chooses to use the caps lock for emphasis. He does point out the hypocrisy of pigeon-holing gun owners for the actions of one terrorist while finding it unacceptable to tar a religious group in the same fashion.

  422. TheOriginalLiz says:

    There are alot of foaming at the mouth gun nuts here today, but no cogent reasoning from any of them.

  423. NukeWaste says:

    This is the usual lie. We want realistic laws. Not emotional crap that looks good on paper. Its interesting. You worry about felons having firearms but demand that they be given back a much more powerful weapon, their vote.

  424. NukeWaste says:

    Sorry. Read the Federalist papers. As usual you who have never been mugged, robbed, nor shot at want to tell the rest of us how we should not protect ourselves because you are afraid to.

  425. Monoceros Forth says:

    I wouldn’t go there if I were you, sparky. If you’re more familiar with the Federalist Papers beyond their name and a quick glance through the Wikipedia entry I’ll eat my hat.

  426. code3cover says:

    There are absolutist on the left just like there are absolutist on the right. On this very message board, there are those calling for melting of every single gun in the U.S. NY Governor Cuomo brought up the idea of confistcation (of private property, no less). California Senate just passed a law requiring “biometric technology” on all guns — a technology that does not currently exist in any usable form — as a back door way to ban all gun sales. So if we want to discuss absolutists, there are on both sides, to be fair.

    As for background checks – although not opposing the idea in general, expanding it in our current form is a bad idea because our current database is choke full of errors. Until we can fix our current data base, expanding it will only needlessly cost billions of dollars to maintain an unusable database. Heck, you should see how many times warrant checks we run on people come back mis-identifying folks.

    As for 30-round magazines – you are right, not needed for hunting. However, the 2A is not about hunting. And from a purely tactics standpoint – banning 30 round magazines will not change much for the would-be mass shooters who are killing unarmed victims (funny how all the mass shootings happened in gun-free zones). However, having a large magazine makes all the world of difference when you are defending against an armed adversary. Case and point – during the post Rodney King LA riot, LAPD more or less abandoned Koreatown. Residents of Koreatown were left to fend for themsevles. AR15’s with 30 round magazines no doubt made a difference for many of these residents defending against armed mobs.

  427. BeccaM says:

    Any post here in favor of gun control laws is like a great big bucket of troll pheromones.

    The one positive is they invariably make our points for us by being such loathsome bloody-minded specimens.

  428. NukeWaste says:

    The majority of the 5% who were asked. I don’t know where you live. But nobody here will honor any more restrictions. The police are getting pissed. The only good result here is that it is turning the brighter kids in the inner city conservative. Remember, there is a lot of capitalism going on there. From Speakeasies to shoes, watches, bozo phones, and EBT cards sold on the street. As long as you can fit in its good business territory. Violence is bad for business.

  429. Monoceros Forth says:

    Yeah, why do we have laws anyway? Criminals just break them. I’ll remember that argument the next time illegal immigration comes up for discussion with some right-wing xenophobe.

  430. jerimia says:

    Liberals tend to become hysterical when confronted with facts.

  431. Al Ross says:

    hows that kool aid today?

  432. Monoceros Forth says:

    Hahaha! Oh, brother, the “if you don’t like it here then just leave” argument. Fuck, the way things are in this country, I couldn’t even move to another county without bankrupting myself! Sorry, pal, you’re stuck with me here. You don’t like it, tough.

  433. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Uh huh.

  434. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Frankly, you have no credibility.

  435. BeccaM says:

    You mean the self-selected unscientific Internet poll conducted solely among one right-wing website’s members that has been misrepresented by the NRA as rigorous, scientific and definitive?

    http://factcheck.org/2013/04/nra-misrepresents-police-survey-legislation/

  436. Metalius Shaperium says:

    NukeWaste hit the nail on the head here. This could very well be a false flag exercise.

  437. karmanot says:

    “stricter gun controls will result in more ambushes of police officers for our guns” Oh swell, a paranoid cop with gun issues. But, you are correct in one thing: ” we (the police) has no duty to protect individual citizens” An attitude like that just convinces me too many Blues are terrorists with badges. You are a disgrace.

  438. BeccaM says:

    I know, dear.

  439. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Seems to be a coordinated attack, here.

  440. NukeWaste says:

    Go back. If its so great, go. Don’t let us stop you.

  441. NukeWaste says:

    Hold on! Every time this crap happens we find out that the libtards committed the act(s) in question themselves. The girls who was found rolling in animal feces blamed others. She did it herself. The manikin lynched on a college campus? Another libtard ploy. Yes, they did it themselves. How about the libtard on some libtard campus accused some phantoms of WRITING on her own face. This is getting old. How many Tea party gatherings have violence. Every time its attempted it is quickly stopped. Every time its been a libtard causing the disturbance. Where is violence rampant? At libtard gatherings. The Fleabaggers OW. Nuff said.

  442. Matt Hefty says:

    Check your facts. Every mass shooting that has hit the mainstream media was committed by a left wing, Obama supporting, anti gun, liberal. Conservatives are not to blame.

  443. Monoceros Forth says:

    I’m just a little curious. What do you think leaning on the caps lock button is actually accomplishing, other than making you look like an idiot? Just curious.

  444. karmanot says:

    Once they climb out of those bib overalls and take that once a year bath you might be able to discern smoke’un or not. I agree with you—-probably not.

  445. bossmanham says:

    Thing is, we have. They’re 4x as likely to be victims of violent crime.

  446. Eyeball_Kid says:

    You make it sound so… harmless. If it was ricin, then it’s not “castor bean powder.” It’s ricin.

    Castor bean powder reportedly is also deadly if ingested.

    And, indeed, it is terrorism to be sending deadly substances, or substances represented as deadly to others for the purposes of doing harm, when it is done in an arguably planned, yet random fashion to make a political statement. For a more exact definition of terrorism, look up an exact definition.

    If you tried your argument in a Court of Law, you’d be laughed into oblivion.

  447. bossmanham says:

    Haha. Because the criminals really follow them there laws, eh?

  448. code3cover says:

    Problem is, the second amendment has two parts. The first part talks about the necessity of a militia. The second part, separated by a punctuation, specifically states the right of PEOPLE (not right of MILITIA) to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

  449. bossmanham says:

    Bahahahaaa! Boy you libs will stoop to all sorts of idiotic levels, won’t you?

  450. nicho says:

    That would involve reading and reading comprehension — don’t hold your breath.

  451. nicho says:

    Whenever I am in a country where citizens aren’t allowed to be armed, I feel a lot safer than I do in the US. I can walk the streets at 3 a.m. and not be jumping at every shadow. Oh, and they’re all a lot more democratic countries than the US — and they have universal health care too.

  452. nicho says:

    I had to fill out a form and provide a photo ID so they could run an
    instant background check on me. Less than fifteen minutes later, I
    walked out of that shop, rifle in hand.

    Which is proof that background checks don’t work. Had they known what you were really like, no one would have given you a gun. (Sorry, couldn’t resist. Love ya. Mean it.)

  453. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Look into Australia with respect to gun laws, some time.

  454. nicho says:

    I don’t know, those Israelites were a randy bunch. If not, why all the rules against sex?

  455. code3cover says:

    Speaking as a police officer, I have a few questions –
    How do you propose we melt every gun in the U.S.?
    How do you get all the guns from all the gang bangers who got them illegally to begin with? Do you really think they will turn their guns in to be melted? Gun possession is punishable by the death penalty in China — guess what, plenty of bad guys have guns. Meth is illegal in the U.S. Are you saying there is no meth in the U.S.? Look at how well the Prohibition worked last century – just ask Al Capone. Point is, there is no way to “melt all the guns,” you will only increase the proportion of guns in bad guys hands because only law abiding citizens will turn in their guns, not the bad guys.
    You really think that calling 911 will save you when gang bangers are beating down your door trying to home-invade you? Read up on SCOTUS Warren v DC, we (the police) has no duty to protect individual citizens (and impossible to do anyways… even a few minutes of response time is plenty for the bad guys to kill you and your family).
    Search for the survey that was recently conducted on law enforcement officers nationwide this past month or two – overwhelming majority of law enforcement officers oppose the current calls for stricter gun control. And we are the ones on the front line dealing with violence day-in and day-out. That should tell you something.
    Lastly, stricter gun controls will result in more ambushes of police officers for our guns, as experienced in Australia. Heck, the Boston marathon bombers killed a police officer to get his guns.

  456. nicho says:

    many actually believe that Jesus wrote the Constitution.

    Apparently when he was hanging out in Branson, MO after the resurrection.

  457. jerimia says:

    Best piece of “propaganda” that I have ever read. ( Register Journalists not guns). This piece actually does what it claims supporters of Second Amendment of doing. Fear mongering. Is this all you’ve got?

  458. 1proudkafir says:

    Maybe you should go live in a country where citizens are not allowed to be ARMED….FOR ALL YOU KNOW..the letters sent to Bloomberg were sent by a LIBERAL trying to put heat on gun owners..AGAIN you are going to condemn all the good gun owners who will one day PROBABLY have to save your ass in a conflict because ONE IDIOT sent letters? Sure you are..WHY IS IT LIBERALS SAY NOT ALL MOSLEMS ARE BAD WHEN SEVERAL BLOW SHIT UP AND KILL PEOPLE but but but ALL 2cnd Amendment advocates are BAD because SOMEONE SUPPOSEDLY sent tainted letters…You people are ridiculous…You had best be THANKFUL TO GOD we have guns…other wise we would see BOSTON type Bombing behavior everywhere…

  459. Eyeball_Kid says:

    How? Second Amendment warriors are a selfish lot. That’s how. Nothing matters to them except their guns. The rest of the Constitution can be trashed, if only the Second Amendment survives. Second Amendment warriors have no use for civic involvement, no use for the commonwealth, no use for laws, no use for a quality education. Living in a lawless, chaotic, barbaric society is just fine for them as long as they have firearms to pack.

  460. Naja pallida says:

    Except there are no “radical liberals” in Congress. There has been no “radical liberal” legislation proposed, much less been actually voted on. Unless you’re counting the stuff you’ve made up in your head. The only thing that did come up for a vote was something that the majority of people of all political spectrums agree with, and Congress still voted against it.

  461. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Indeed.

  462. Eyeball_Kid says:

    For a few decades after the signing of the Constitution, militias actually were well-regulated. They received training on the use of weapons, training in tactical maneuvers, and were part of a publicly sanctioned chain of command.

    Uncle Bucky is all wet. A well regulated militia meant, and still means, a concerted and organized group effort to defend territory, citizens, and property, sanctioned by the very government that defends the Constitution. It was not meant to describe an aggregate of individual, isolated people, each with a rifle. Anyone with a lick of sense knows that, without organization, the defense of property, citizens, or territory would be suicidal.

  463. Randy Riddle says:

    John, you forgot about this. Adam Kokesh’s “million gun owners march” on DC has now morphed into a gun owners march on the state capitals to call for the “peaceful dissolution of the Federal government”.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/29/adam-kokesh-calls-off-armed-march-on-dc-in-favo/194259

    I’m damn tired of these crazy nuts on the extreme right. Their family members need to get them confined to a rubber room before they hurt themselves or someone else.

  464. BeccaM says:

    You mean #46, where Madison argues not for private firearm ownership for its own sake, but for the creation of a standing army and well-organized militias (complete with officers) for the sake national defense? A paper written because it was sounding like the British were going to try to launch an invasion to overthrow the new government in their former colonies?

    In any case, the ‘founding fathers’ were no gods. They codified slavery into our nation’s prime governing document.

  465. BeccaM says:

    Which is yet another sad commentary on the state of our public education system, especially with respect to civics classes.

  466. code3cover says:

    Please read the Federalist paper if you truly wish to discuss legislative intent of our Founding Fathers.

  467. BeccaM says:

    We have a standing army now that can and does respond to threats in a timely fashion, and with weaponry far beyond that which citizens can legally own. (Or are you suggesting citizens should be allowed to have fully automatic firearms, mines, RPGs, tanks, and helicopter gunships?)

    ‘Well regulated’ isn’t even in the same neighborhood as ‘well equipped.’ Here’s the definition, which has not changed much in over 200 years:

    regulated past participle, past tense of reg·u·late (Verb)
    (1) Control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.
    (2) Control or supervise (something, esp. a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

  468. Dave of the Jungle says:

    In spite of the fact that George Washington and Thomas Paine were Free Masons, Benjamin Franklin was a practicing occultist and Thomas Jefferson DESPISED Baptists (the Christian fundamentalists of his time) many actually believe that Jesus wrote the Constitution.

  469. Frank Graham says:

    I wish the anti-second amendment radicals would stop hammering on this wedge issue. Violence in America has been going down for 20 years now. There is no valid reason to attack the constitution and what it really does is give republicans more power. If democrats would stop attacking gun owners there would be more traction for things like gay marriage and abortion rights.
    There was no issue until radical liberals created one. I am one of the people the radical liberals have driven over to the republican party with this exact wedge issue. The radicals have shot the democratic party in the foot.

  470. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Fair point.

  471. Naja pallida says:

    Except the NRA’s stance is that even trying to keep guns out of the hands of minors, felons, and the insane is not a worthy goal, and should not be pursued. Their current stance, which differs signifcantly from their stance of even just six years ago, is that no regulation on firearms is acceptable. And while the majority of the membership disagrees with the organization’s leadership, this is still what the organization is actively lobbying for.

  472. BeccaM says:

    That’s why we have in our system of laws a crime known as “making terroristic threats.” It’s generally not considered as serious as actually carrying out such threats — but it’s still a crime that will result in major jail time.

  473. Monoceros Forth says:

    “Well-regulated” really meant “well-equipped”? I’m calling bullshit on that right now. I’m not some idiot you can snow with talk like that. I’m no expert but I’ve had a bit of classical language so I know where a word like “regulate” comes from, and it’s got nothing to do with equipment. The radical meaning of “regulate” derived from, in the end, the word “rex”. The very word implies rulership, leadership. In other words it implies authority–a regulating authority, hm?

  474. BeccaM says:

    We don’t hate you. We just hate your absolutist attitudes with respect to opposing all gun control laws, no matter how sensible and no matter how many of your fellow citizens support them. Opposition that resorts all too often to threats of violence and sedition, and directly results in firearms capable of inflicting great harm on large numbers of people ending up in the hands of people manifestly unfit to own them.

    That’s what we hate.

    About two weeks ago, I bought a varmint rifle at a gun shop. (We have a local prairie dog infestation and it’s legal to shoot them here.) I had to fill out a form and provide a photo ID so they could run an instant background check on me. Less than fifteen minutes later, I walked out of that shop, rifle in hand. Why is it unreasonable that such a background check be made universal, to close the gun show and private sales loopholes? And why is it even suggested there’s a legitimate game hunting purpose for magazines that hold 30 or 100 or more rounds, especially when the go-to counter from you folks seems to be that you want to overthrow our democratically-elected government — which again is sedition and treasonous?

    Oh, and then there’s the fact most of you have no clue what ‘socialism’ actually is. We hate that, too, because it’s clear evidence of how far this country has fallen and how badly our educational system is failing its kids.

  475. UncleBucky says:

    Somehow, I can’t think that someone who really believes in the stuff in Leviticus or Numbers would be a “smokin” sexy dude or babe.

  476. UncleBucky says:

    Heck, even talcum powder in an envelope the intent is the same, to scare people as a threat of something really violent to come next, kind of, “we know where you live”.

  477. UncleBucky says:

    Or he looks like a pitchman for Dr. Huzakow’s Wonder Drug that cures everything from hangnail to cancer.

  478. ThanksForAllTheFish says:

    The same way Thomas Jefferson and James Madison did: “Well regulated” in the parlance of the age means: well equipped.

    The militia at the time of the amendment’s inception meant all military age males capable of bearing arms. In other words, the general population and not just those actively engaged in military service. The people were expected to keep arms, know their use and be ready to defend themselves. The right actually has its roots in English common law and the English bill of rights from 1689. (The forefathers were of English heritage and culture.)

    There was not the capability to mount a centrally coordinated military response to aggression in a timely fashion. The militia, meaning the general armed populace, was expected to delay an enemy long enough until such a response could be mounted.

    There was also utterly no concept of law enforcement and 911 as we know it today. You and your neighbors were your own 911. Now some might argue that this is still the case as the supreme court has repeatedly ruled that police and cities cannot be sued for failure to protect a person from harm. The police have a duty to society in general but not to protect any individual person.

    Ask a police officer if you do not believe me. Every officer that I know would love (love!) to be able to stop crimes before they happen and to keep you from harm, but they can’t. Street level policing is mostly a reactive business. People call 911 when something bad is already happening. Something bad enough that they need guys with guns to show up to make it stop. Sometimes they can’t get there fast enough. I would rather you were armed than all you had was a cell phone and hope.

    In recent times the supreme court has ruled that the right to keep and bear is an individual right. Government has the ability to place some restrictions on that such as prohibiting minors, felons and such from possession, and can enact restrictions on certain types of arms, and even off limits places, but it cannot unreasonably restrict a non-criminal citizen from owning and bearing arms that are common.

    From there, take whatever political stance people would like and argue until heart’s content, but the above is the gist of it.

    Obviously you can surmise that I am pro 2A but I am open to listening to what anyone has to say and their concerns as long as we don’t devolve into name calling or hysterics.

    And yes, James Yeager is one big WTF? moment. Even “gun guys” were saying “WTF? is wrong with that guy?”

  479. UncleBucky says:

    Just in:

    The Terrorist Organization Al NRA has stated that they will achieve their goals of The South Rising Again. News at 11.

  480. Hue-Man says:

    Irrational thinking is being exported (together with American-manufactured guns and ammo). Here’s a Canadian wing-nut responding to the province-wide (4.4 million people) gun amnesty which starts tomorrow and runs for the month of June: “Jim Bennett of the Historical Arms Collectors Society of B.C. says gun owners “are a simple, easy target for police.”

    “In no way shape or form is this amnesty going to make the streets of Vancouver, B.C, or Canada any safer because they have taken a gun off the street,” he said.”

    And the logical response to this stupidity? “But law enforcers say the program is effective because guns owned by responsible owners sometimes make their way into the hands of criminals
    through no fault of their own.” http://bc.ctvnews.ca/advocates-say-gun-amnesty-program-way-off-target-1.1305347

    BTW, “The last gun amnesty program in B.C. was in 2006, when more than 3,200 guns were turned in and 96,000 rounds of ammunition. An M-16 assault rifle and rocket launcher were also surrendered.”

    Finally, Canadians are really naive; they think that nothing could go wrong if you show up at a cop shop with your gun stockpile. “Police do not want people walking in to their detachments with weapons, and will come pick them up from you.”

  481. BeccaM says:

    I noted that detail as well, the illogical conflation of religion with a documented framework for a secular system of government.

  482. BeccaM says:

    I’m not disagreeing with you on this point.

  483. nicho says:

    Yeah because “spewing hatred on the Internet” is in the same league with butchering 20 or so 5- and 6-year-old kids. Pffft.

    And for the record, the state of “journalism” back in the days when the constitution was written was exactly the same as what we see with the Internet. What the Founders didn’t anticipate was corporate-controlled journalism. In other words — you’re full of shit.

  484. nicho says:

    It’s just not that impressive.

    From the perspective of getting the masses to shit their collective pants, you’re right. However, it sends a clear message to the addressees — “We’ve got you in our sights.”

    It’s like when those unauthorized people were let into the White House reception line early in 2009. That wasn’t dramatic, but it was a clear message to Obama — “We can let anyone we want get within inches of you and your wife — at any time we want. So don’t get any ideas.”

  485. Monoceros Forth says:

    It’s a fair point. I suppose that, by such a measure, you could send someone an envelope full of corn starch and the intent would be the same: the threat of mindless violence, even if the actual threat is utterly powerless. It’s just that the chemist (and the pedant) in me always gets a little bothered when some news story talks about “ricin” because no story ever says just what the source of the positive ricin test really was.

  486. B_nonymoose says:

    I agree…just like the people who spew hatred on the internet. We should take every last computer, ipad, and cell phone and melt them all down. After all our founding fathers had no idea what technology would bring when they wrote the 1st Amendment

  487. nicho says:

    How do the hard-core gun-nut “protectors of the constitution” explain away that they sat around — alternately stroking themselves and their guns — over the last 12 years as two consecutive administrations shredded the constitution. Believe me, it the Powers That Be thought the gun nuts’ popguns were of any concern, they would have been confiscated long ago. Now, RPGs and IEDs — those they’re afraid of, which is why you can’t have them.

  488. nicho says:

    To further a political and social agenda through threats of violence and death.

    So, like the American Shock and Awe campaign against Iraq. No-fly zones over Syria. Pre-emptive strikes against Iran’s nuclear plants. Sounds like the biggest purveyor of terrorism in the corporatocracy with headquarters on Pennsylvania Ave., with a branch office in Tel Aviv.

  489. Monoceros Forth says:

    It’s just not that impressive. Now it’s possible that when a news story says something like, “An envelope tested positive for ricin,” that it really had ricin in it or at least some sort of isolate or concentrate rich in ricin. Considering the effort needed to produce such a thing, however, I doubt that’s ever the case. A bit of pulverized castor bean would explain a positive test and also be about as deadly as accidentally getting some Sevin on your hands. The news stories never say, however, just what was in the envelope.

  490. BeccaM says:

    Incompetently done or not, the intent is the same: To further a political and social agenda through threats of violence and death. To achieve these goals not through peaceful participation in a democratically elected government, but through fear and intimidation.

  491. nicho says:

    It’s not terrorism until someone opens it.

  492. Monoceros Forth says:

    To be fair, I find it hard to call putting a bit of castor bean powder in an envelope “terrorism”.

  493. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Few people know this but the book of Numbers is actually a set of secret codes for how to have smoke’n sex orgies.

  494. Monoceros Forth says:

    Just how do hard-core “constitutional conservative” types explain away the “well-regulated” militia clause, anyway?
    Apropos of nothing, every time I see a picture of Wayne Pierre I think he looks like a crazy preacher. He’s just got that desiccated, sour-faced look to him.

  495. Bomer says:

    That second to the last tweet…someone needs to have that guy look up the definition of socialism, because whatever we’ve had these last four years certainly hasn’t been socialist.

    Also, can you call it terrorism if it wasn’t committed by a brown person? /sarcasm

  496. nicho says:

    The right to bear arms is my constitutional God-given right

    Hey, it’s in the Bible, right after the part where Leviticus committed Deuteronomy.

  497. Dave of the Jungle says:

    I hope they’ll get their guns and garrison on the Washington Mall. Then I’ll be impressed.

  498. condew says:

    Nowhere is the government more of a threat than in board rooms and hedge funds throughout the world. But the 1% are few in number, they need an army of gun nuts to keep us threatened and distracted. While the gun nuts fight with the anti-gun nuts, the 1% sits in their gated communities and Park Avenue apartments and laugh. Firepower without smarts and smarts without firepower.

  499. A_nonymoose says:

    I’ve said it before, and pardon me for saying it again. There is no compromising with these lunatics. It’s time to repeal the 2nd amendment and melt them all down. Every. Single. Gun. Think I’m nuts? Tell that to the anti-abortion folks.

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