Noah’s Flood is proof that climate change isn’t man-made, says GOP

GOP Congressman Joe Barton of Texas (surprise!) weighs in on how climate change is obviously not man-made – just look at all the trouble Noah went through when God made him build that ark:

“I would point out that people like me who support hydrocarbon development don’t deny that climate is changing,” he added. “I think you can have an honest difference of opinion of what’s causing that change without automatically being either all in that’s all because of mankind or it’s all just natural. I think there’s a divergence of evidence.”

“I would point out that if you’re a believer in in the Bible, one would have to say the Great Flood is an example of climate change and that certainly wasn’t because mankind had overdeveloped hydrocarbon energy.”

Andrew Kaczynski at Buzzfeed has the video too.

Noah's Ark via Shutterstock

Noah’s Ark via Shutterstock

So maybe God is causing the ice caps to melt and the polar bears to drown?  I mean, I guess if you believe in divine creation, and destiny, God planned everything, so he’s responsible for everything.  Though that would tend to negate the whole Adam & Eve story, in which mankind has free will, which often gets it into trouble.  Like with climate change.

Sadly this is one more piece of the GOP war on science, or as we call it, “the legitimate rape of science.”

As Chris wrote the other day:

Creationism doesn’t pass the smell test of science so the Republican party will either destroy sciencedeny science, or simply redefine science by legislative fiat.

They don’t believe in science.  They don’t believe in education.  They don’t believe in facts.  And anything, and everything, that undercuts their lies – from the media to science – must be destroyed.

And they wonder why young people are leaving the GOP in droves.

 


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  • http://www.facebook.com/hope.forpeace.7 Hope Forpeace

    “When the bible of the Climate Alarmist religion is written in 200 years,
    the denialists will likely be referred to as ‘a great swarm of
    locusts’,”

    DO you realize how inane this is? I guess not.

  • klem

    I don’t really see what the problem is here.
    When the bible of the Climate Alarmist religion is written in 200 years, the denialists will likely be referred to as ‘a great swarm of locusts’, and stories will be written of how Saint Al Gore parted the ‘River of Denial’. Denial is that big river in Egypt.
    And centuries from now, young lefties like you will be mocking those religious stories just like you are doing here. And laughing at just how unscientific and preposterous they are.

  • klem

    A touch?
    Climate alarmism has its own god (mother earth Gaia), its own organization (UN IPCC), own bible (IPCC AR4 Report), preachers (climate scientists, Gore, etc.), an invisible devil (CO2), sinful behavior (carbon emissions), sinners (humanity), fear of Gaia’s retribution (climate apocalypse).
    It’s more than just a touch.

  • klem

    “So maybe God is causing the ice caps to melt and the polar bears to drown?”
    That’s as good an explanation as any. Unless you believe its all due to that mystical invisible trace gas CO2. That’s equally preposterous. Lol!

  • http://poodyheads.wordpress.com/ zorbear

    I think that may be the vision of the current Church…
    ;-)

  • http://fighttherightwingnuts.blogspot.com/ mike31c

    You could not get any more dumb then this can you?

  • Ninong

    Yes, I saw the one they did that dealt with the flag appearing to ripple. However, NASA did an exhaustive rebuttal of every single false claim in the Fox hoax program. And it cost a lot of money to do that.

    Fox is not alone in that category now. The History channel (aka Hysterical channel) and even the National Geographic channel are putting up absolute crap programs as a way of funding the good stuff. If you complain to Nat Geo, they tell you that those crap programs are popular with a certain segment of the public that they would not otherwise reach. No kidding!

  • silas1898

    Mythbusters did a great show years ago rebutting all the main points of the “hoaxers”.

    Everything really does happen for a reason. It’s called Physics.

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    “Creationism doesn’t pass the smell test of science”

    In other words, their argument doesn’t hold water?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Yep, on Mt Arat in Turkey, but many of those pieces were Falafel wrappers from an ancient fast food stand.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I think your vision may be that of the future Catholic Church.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I must admit that Noah’s Flood took out ancient beachfront condos, so Mr. god is after all an all inclusive wiper outter.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I must admit that Noah’s Flood took out ancient beachfront condos, so Mr. god is after all an all inclusive wiper outter.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    bingo!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    eggselent question.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    When moving at a snail’s pace, all is lost!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    The Spaghetti Monster is sauced and won’t notice. :-)

  • silas1898

    The fake ones in the studio :) Another chapter in the Wingnut Gospel.

  • http://heimaey.us/ jim morrissey

    I see what you are saying and I get it. But in the end it’s all a ciruclar argument because no one can ever prove the existence of god. So even the differentiation between the two versions of free will cancel each other out because how can you bring any sort of real logic to something that is completely illogical. That said, I applaud the Christians who put a little more effort into the original intent and meaning of the teachings of Christ as they were put down on paper some decades after his death – which is simply love one another and try to find the best, most peaceful way on this path.

  • klem

    I hear if you’re not on the big oil payroll, Cheney will shoot you in the face.

  • klem

    “the reason the Bible gives for for the Flood was as punishment for the humans’ sinful ways.”

    This is exactly why the deniers believe that climate alarmism is based on religious faith. That alarmists believe that climate change is punishment for our sinful carbon ways. Surely you see the religious connection there, its obvious.

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Don’t exaggerate, Var.

    Everybody knows that they just found 22 pieces of it at one time.

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    It’s not at all difficult to understand: ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge about a subject.

    On the other hand, stupidity is holding a contrary view of reality in the face of overwhelming evidence proving otherwise.

    In other words, stupidly is a choice.

    Stupid is as stupid does – Forrest Gump.

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Sure, if ya build a pile large enough and let it dry out before ya start climbing.

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Ain’t it possible the this miracle that God created was simply cloning ka-billions of Pegasui spewing infinite springs into aforementioned atmosphere with every clip-clop?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    I believe the shit hit the fan after we de-plantized Pluto; after all, why else would Mars have ice at its core other than God decided that maybe, with our religious intellect, we weren’t created exactly in His own image?

    And who’s fault is that?

    So much for science… eh?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    There ya go again… God punishes trailer trash with tornadoes, not necessarily hurricanes.

    And I’m sure that I can find a Bible quote to support this assertion.

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    As the great Yogi once said: “Don’t look back. Something might be gaining on you and it could be a salt shaker!”

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Was there ever a tribe of Eggs?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Ever wonder why someone named them Sodom and Gomorrah?

    Damn, what a bad connotation they carry today!

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Are ya referring to the kids or the priests?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    “Some might say we still haven’t gotten there.”

    And for proof, I offer ya one Smokey Joe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Var-Enyo/100001058251205 Var Enyo

    No no no. Geology is a science and doesn’t count. Besides, they’ve found Noah’s ark at least 22 times and counting. : )

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Var-Enyo/100001058251205 Var Enyo

    It’s got to be Cheney….he’s the common link if you look back at old photos of those times. He must be the root cause.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Var-Enyo/100001058251205 Var Enyo

    I’m surprised they haven’t been going back to the flat earth and the sun going around the earth. It was part of the religion for centuries after all and could get you in big trouble for disproving it.

  • http://poodyheads.wordpress.com/ zorbear

    It’s a meatball!
    RAmen

  • http://poodyheads.wordpress.com/ zorbear

    May the Pasta forgive you…
    RAmen…

  • http://poodyheads.wordpress.com/ zorbear

    That’ll make the GOP happy — naked, bald chicks that look like little boys!

  • 2patricius2

    Roman Catholics used to have what they called “spiritual bouquets.” People would do things like offering masses for someone, or going to communion for someone. They would put all these things on a card to let the person know what they were doing for them. One of the things they did was to say little religious sayings such as “Jesus, Mary and Joseph,” or “God have mercy.” They called the religious sayings “ejaculations.” You can imagine what one might think when a bunch of boys at a Catholic boys high school offered a spiritual bouquet to someone with 1500 ejaculations.

  • http://blogvader.tumblr.com/ Blogvader

    Reading is hard, Becca.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Thanks Z, Methuselah should be so lucky.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Wasn’t that Sadam and Gonorrhea?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    A methane high?

  • Dave of the Jungle

    “Religion is awesome.”

  • Zorba

    You are only as old as you feel, K. And I hope that you don’t feel all that old, my brother.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Logic and facts and stuff amuse me.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    It’s OK to drive, just don’t drink—-the Cool-aide.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    We are headed for a world of Eloi and Morlocks.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Yep and an old one at that.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    LOL

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    and FREE!

  • emjayay

    Don’t forget John Woo. From the UC Berkeley law school. Korean, not Chinese.

  • emjayay

    Like that black pediactric surgeon guy.

  • emjayay

    They are both that science stuff, not God stuff.

  • Zorba

    K. is a “sir.” ;-)

  • emjayay

    Please, enough with the logic and facts and all that stuff. Blind faith is so much easier.

  • emjayay

    Of course there was a Flood. How do you think erratics (big rocks that don’t match the area rock) got to the top of mountains? Oh wait, we call them glacial erratics now. But we didn’t in 1800.

  • pappyvet

    Their willingness to deny what’s true is especially outrageous when it attempts through propaganda to spread like a disease over scientific topics like evolution or climate change. But the same thing happens with economics, with American history, and with any other factual matter where there’s a threat to the ideological control of the ignorant at stake.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    I’m not sure I should drive after reading this…

  • NCMan

    All the trouble Noah went through when God made him build that ark? Seriously????

    Well then, how about all the trouble Dorothy Gale went through when that twister hit Kansas and dragged her, her dog and her house over the rainbow. Surely this must say something about global warming if the “story” of Noah does.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    That’s the Catholic interpretation. There is no legitimate nihilism—its a false and sophist device to delegitimize the complexity of truth: Nothing is everything—-a fact that theoretical physics continuously proves with the ‘divine’ language of mathematics. an example: dark matter.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Unless those children make fun of a bald man’s lack of hair. Then they get mauled and eaten.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    And to contradict those ancient pig-ignorant nomadic goat herders is blasphemy worthy of being tortured to death.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    True enough, but in referring to ‘culture’ I meant the Cro-Magnon — dating as far back as roughly 40k years ago, but apparently there are indications of tool use as early as 75k years ago, and pretty solid evidence humans were fishing and using ochre paint back as far as 160k years ago. There was at least one undisputed find showing that we humans were burying our dead with ritual practices 100k years ago — and a disputed case where it was thought our Homo Heidelbergensis ancestral cousins were doing this as far back as 300k years (and who were also making flint tools).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Oh deer!

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    I suppose lots of orgasms would have been necessary as well, come (heh) to think of it.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I’ll testify to that. I met a few of them at bike rallies back in the day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Why thank you, sir. Or ma’am.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Duh. Just as logic is a hoax so that a God of unsurpassing love is capable of nuking two cities and ordering multiple genocides.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Indeed, the most perfect explanation of the supremacy of evil, comes from no other from Calvin, who postulated that all evil is predestined from God and those of the chosen may do as they wish and enter the kingdom of heaven.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    :-)

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Just imagine that loving god turning a perfectly empathetic woman into a salt lick for all eternity.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Who knew, —–Noah McCain!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    well done!

  • Dave of the Jungle

    The consensus of the global scientific community is a hoax while the creation myth of some bronze age goat herders is the truth. Obvious.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    WOW!!!!! You Go! couldn’t have said it better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    I read that first sentence as “huge variety of orgasms, often found only in very specific niches.”

    Nearly fell out of my chair laughing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Also: not enough water on, in, or above the earth to accommodate said flood. No need for all that geology, just check basic hydrology.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Yo, Nixon and Reagan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    You can get high on camel dung??!?

    **Scurries off to investigate the prices of camels in the interests of spiking next year’s RNC punch.**

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Real simple answer: There ain’t no god.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Or, if you’re a nihilist, Nothing is God.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    You forgot the part where the God of Love immolated two large cities in a “pillar of fire.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    We know the Romans to be wrong about dinosaurs. However, there might have actually been “giant” people. Giantism still expresses itself from time-to-time in various humans. As with any “different” group though, if there had been a larger number of them in the past, they would likely have been hunted down and slaughtered.

    Many Romans would naturally have heard of them through oral myth, and figured (like any other literalists) that the evidence had to fit the story, rather than the other way around.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Markus-Hayden-Sutherland/1634126207 Markus Hayden Sutherland

    In other news, the GOP announced today that Goldie Locks is living and irrefutable proof that wild bears are not a threat to children.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    I agree with everything that you’re saying, with one exception. Ignorant =/= stupid. Stupid is viewed typically as an insult and incurable, whereas ignorance, while not complimentary, is something people take less offense to and even can be comfortable applying to themselves.

    Examples: I am ignorant of many of the issues behind human trafficking and modern-day slavery. That does not make me stupid. My father has a degree that typically requires extra years of study to obtain, yet when I came out he and my equally intelligent mother thought I would die of AIDS. That is ignorant, not stupid. No one had educated them on sexuality, safe sex, and HIV; and they hadn’t seen any reason to correct that. (The result is that I grew up with a deficiency in those areas as well, but that does not reflect on them as much as on those they trusted deeply, who discouraged them from seeking or providing this information to their children.)

    I understand if this is difficult to comprehend, but if so, it may be because you are ignorant of the nature of fundamentalism. You are certainly not stupid. ;-)

  • perljammer

    Anatomically modern humans have been around for roughly 200,000 years, but the ability to use complex symbolic thought and express cultural creativity (both generally associated with the origin of language), is a lot more recent — about 50,000 years ago. And the first real civilizations, spawned by the development of agriculture at the start of the Neolithic Revolution (about 8500 BCE), didn’t rise until almost yesterday — about 3500 BCE in Mesopotamia. So, yeah, we’ve been around for a long, long time, but we weren’t really people in the common sense of the word until fairly recently. Some might say we still haven’t gotten there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Well, to be clear, free will is defined by some of these folks as the ability to choose to follow “God’s laws” or not. Some don’t really believe in free will at all, saying that everything is pre-ordained by God. And some create some sort of theological hybrid of free will and divine will where sometimes we’re allowed to make our own choices and other times it’s God leading us.

    This is all a hell of a lot easier if you’re a non-literalist Christian, like me. Free will? I exhibit it, therefore I possess it, therefore some mythical devil isn’t responsible for tempting me to do wrong. That belief is troublesome for those who prefer to abdicate responsibility for evil on the caricature of Satan rather than examine the potential for evil within ourselves with some level of honesty. Or rather than grapple with the difficult question of, “If God loves everyone, why do bad things happen?”

    It’s a very complex argument that only ends up being circular for some Christians, not all.

    But I do understand why you and John miss that. The most vocal among us tend to be the ones in love with the concept of a bi-polar deity who is bloodthirsty, genocidal, and vicious to the “evil” while simultaneously capable of unsurpassing love, forgiveness, and generosity to the “righteous” or “redeemed” or “good.”

    Those of us that believe in a slightly less interventionist concept of the divine tend to embrace teachings like letting our faith show via action, not public harangues. This is, perhaps, a mistake. There are, however, a growing number of us who publicly get behind and PUSH activism on climate change, fair housing and lending, a just economy, LGBT equality, racial equality, gun violence, and many other issues.

    Perhaps another reason that we are less well-heard in the public square is that we allow for diversity of ideas and thought, and place differing importance on these issues. The easier-to-hear voices of Christianity speak more often with a more united voice and have typically prioritized which “sins” of the world that they choose to publicly judge and condemn. The chorus is easier to hear than a jumble of individual voices singing solos, after all. Even if the chorus is singing out of pitch.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Actually, the Biblical Literalist (Barton) DID call it the Great Flood. John called it Noah’s Flood.

    And it’s often called Noah’s Flood because there are many Flood myths in the various religions and mythologies of the world.

    The reason for this plethora of tales of epic deluges is because between 18,000 and 8,000 years ago, the sea level rose 120m. This might have had just a bit to do with the end of the last ice age. It happens to coincide with the beginnings of many early agricultural civilizations, and it is likely that these tales reflect the rapid flooding of large valleys or basins that later became seas, like the Persian Gulf, which averages only 40m deep, or the Black Sea, whose water level sank gradually after being cut off from the Aegean, and around 5600 BC rapidly refilled with the rising waters of the Mediterranean broke through once more.

    These experiences would have been sudden, traumatic, and left few survivors, save the farmers who had managed to get themselves onto a raft or piece of debris or had a river or lake boat handy. As anyone who has seen a flood in a rural, agricultural area would know (or watched The Life of Pi, for that matter), most animals have a very strong survival instinct and would naturally swim to any floating object in order to attempt to survive.

    Oral histories can evolve rapidly. Superman, who is not an oral history, but nonetheless provides a good example, has changed drastically in the last several decades of his history alone. When he was created, he wasn’t recharged by the sun, like a solar battery. He is now. Think about why that is and what message(s) it’s intended to inspire. Then you’ll understand why the story of a family of refugees and their farm animals surviving a natural disaster got turned into (over many, many years) a tale of God’s wrath, Noah’s faithfulness, and the salvation of the human race from destruction at the hands of an angry god.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Here’s one of my favorite Robot Chicken bits, on the animals that didn’t make it to the ark in time:

    http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/late-unicorns.html

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Clever and ignorant can co-exist in the same brain, I’ve learned. All that’s needed is active rejection of any objective evidence that contradicts one’s preferred beliefs.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    I have zero – ZERO – respect for anyone who believes the King James Bible is a literal account of historical record, and that everything in it happened exactly as described. It is a denial of science, critical thinking, logic and, most of all, objective, verifiable facts.

    We have plenty of evidence the Earth, the sun, and the solar system are billions of years old, and that humans in the current form — including having culture — have been around for at least a few hundred thousand, if not longer. We have ZERO evidence the Earth, the sun, and the entire universe were created in seven days a mere 6000 years ago.

    The Earth is clearly not the center of the universe. Their Bible implies it is, and that it is the only planet in existence, anywhere. They also thought it was flat (a circle, not a sphere). Funny how telescopes, mathematics, geometry, and logic disproved that stupid belief.

    The Bible says that physical and mental illnesses are caused by demons and can be driven out by incantations, exorcisms and blood sacrifices. Leviticus even helpfully includes a cure for leprosy that involves washing clothes, along with incantations and blood from a sacrificed bird. Sadly, none of these actually work, further reinforcing the evidence these were primitive, myth-believing peoples who simply didn’t know any better, so they made up shit to try to explain what at the time was inexplicable. What’s worse is these things are perfectly explainable now using science and logic — and yet there are those like Barton who reject it anyway.

    As Ninong points out, there literally is not enough water in the world to cover it all up in a flood, that much water coming down that fast would’ve sunk and drown any boat, much less one made out of ordinary wood, and no way a single man and his family could construct a boat large enough to hold two of every kind of non-aquatic creature — never mind the fact we now know there’s this quality known as “minimum genetic diversity for viability.” Once you only have two of any given species, a single male and female breeding pair, you can pretty much kiss it goodbye.

    Speaking of which: Also no way a viable human race, with all of its genetic variations, could have resulted from brothers inbreeding with the only available human females on the planet, their own sisters.

    Finally, thermometers don’t lie. Neither do the photographs showing the retreat of glaciers. Nor the measurements showing the oceans are rising. Nor the measurements of CO2 levels in the atmosphere dating back well beyond a mere 6000 years, through the use of drilling cores and radioactive dating techniques.

    Anyway, Joe Barton is an ignoramus. A moron. A poltroon. As dumb as a bag of hammers. Tree-stump stupid. He should be ashamed to be so ignorant, and more so to be letting people in on how little sense and knowledge he carries between his ears.

    The saddest thing of all is there are voters in his Texas district who think there’s no problem with this, and probably plenty who as just as willfully ignorant as he is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Rubber Ducky, you’re the one!
    You made the Great Flood lots of fun!
    Rubber Ducky, I’m awfully fond of you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Not stupid. Some of them, like my parents, are highly intelligent. They were just trained to think with a very strong filter that reflexively rejects any evidence that contradicts the “historical record” of the Bible. There are some very smart, VERY biased people on that side of the fence. Ideological idolatry (or blinders, but I prefer the other term) is the problem, not stupidity. Still, very difficult to cure either condition.

  • codyJ

    hes right,hes right,and DINOSAURS came over in it,too,,less known is that the ark was powered by 3 coal fired triple-expansion steam engines..and,as usual, GAY people were in the stokehold, doing all the dirty work, and NOT allowed to come on deck..lol.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Not only is there no geologic evidence, the hydrologic evidence directly contradicts the tale. The entire water inventory of Earth, from core to stratosphere, isn’t even close to the amount required to flood the planet even to half-way up the Alps, let alone the Biblical “peaks of the tallest mountains.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770335407 Johan David Baumeister

    Is this loon related to David Barton, the nutcase “historian” who Michele Bachmann, during her rampage here in the Minnesota legislature, “enlisted… [to] help in drafting a bill requiring public schools to include alternative explanations for the origin of life…”according to MoJo? If so, the crab apples certainly haven’t fallen far from that family shrub.

  • Indigo

    I suspected as much. You have confirmed my worst fears.

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    I wonder if anyone’s ever attempted to work out how long it would have taken Noah to repopulate the Earth with its huge variety of organisms, often found only in very specific niches. Hell, dealing with Madagascar alone must have taken him many weeks at the least.

    Yeah, yeah, I know, miracles. But then if so many miracles are necessary to explain how the whole fantastical tale could have happened, then why couldn’t God have simply whipped up another special creation in order to restore Earth’s wildlife?

    Or, as Bill Cosby put it (back before he turned into a bitter old man), when God asked Noah to go out and get another hippo because he’d accidentally collected two males:

    “I ain’t bringin’ nothin’ in! You change one of them!!”

  • jomicur

    And not Obama’s?

  • Ninong

    Funny how the only fossils the bible-thumpers like are the aquatic ones found high up on mountainsides because they think that’s proof of Noah’s flood. Those people are so stupid it hurts.

  • http://heimaey.us/ jim morrissey

    Free will is convenient when it’s convenient. When it’s not then it’s what god said…it’s a continuous circular argument that will always have an answer so why bother…ugh.

  • Ninong

    What moon landings? LOL

    Fox ran a so-called documentary “proving” the moon landings were a hoax. They ran it at least five or six times. It got so bad NASA had to spend a bunch of taxpayers’ money on a formal item-by-item rebuttal.

  • shays01

    or rubber duckies on mountain peaks …

  • silas1898

    That “miracle” clause really comes in handy for them. Sad how far science has fallen in this country since the moon landings.

  • Ninong

    He’s still in the cabinet waiting for his replacement, MIT physics professor Dr. Ernest Moniz, to be confirmed. Moniz testified before the Senate yesterday and should be easily confirmed soon.

    There was another brilliant Chinese-American mind from Berkeley in the legal area who would have been nominated to the Supreme Court had it not been for a promised filibuster by the GOP. I can’t remember his name but he was great. I think Obama finally got him onto the federal bench last year but I’m not sure?

    P.S. — Remember when “W” was stacking the Justice Department with graduates from the so-called law schools founded by Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson?

  • John

    He was Chairloony of our Education Committee and proved to be too much for even Perry

  • melbach007

    If it wasn’t man made why name it after Noah? Why not God’s flood?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Dr. Chu, now there is a brilliant mind, absolutely breathtaking. Is he at Cal Berkeley now?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I am thinking: The earth as a Hostess cupcake or Twinkie.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Right! Geologists have yet to discover ring-around the Alps!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    The problem lies in ‘Facts’ being only building blocks to create a ‘Real’ or ‘True’ perspective or both—-the latter being rational thought and the scientific method; the former being various degrees of false equivalencies. Read Guy Debord’s “Society of the Spectacle.

  • Ninong

    There’s an excellent video clip online about Sen. Inhoff questioning President Obama’s nominee to be head of the Dept. of Energy. Inhoff is asking what he thinks is a gotcha question about oil in the Arctic if it was created the way the silly evolutionists claim. Nobel-Prize winning physicist, Dr. Steven Chu, calmly and politely attempts to explain plate tectonics to dumb-as-dirt Inhoff, who cut him off mid-sentence with, “So you’re saying it just drifted up there?”

    Dr. Chu replied, “yes, that’s about it.” Or words to that effect. At which point Inhoff bursts out laughing loudly and mockingly. The audience members in the chamber then joined in the laughing. Inhoff continued laughing, thinking that the audience was laughing with him at Dr. Chu but it’s very clear from the video that they were laughing at Inhoff.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Can we include magic underwear, or they always pure and streak free?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    An ancient clam bake. Look for the brewster cans. lol

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “They just use religion to deflect the criticism for their hatred of
    anything that makes them feel less than the smartest person in the room.” Even the most abysmally ignorant are created in God’s image, according to them. And, what could be more perfectly and divinely realized than stupidity or mediocrity?

  • shays01

    A flood, even of biblical proportions, is a weather phenomena … especially if there weren’t a series of floods before and after the event in question (for which, as others have pointed out, there is no geologic evidence).

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “Every fine, fine Christian knows that is what hurricanes are for.” Yes, and it always seems to be Republican trailer camps that get wiped out. But nobody talks about it.

  • http://poodyheads.wordpress.com/ zorbear

    why, there MUST have been a flood — how else could seashells have got up on top of the mountains in only 6,000 years?
    /snark

  • RepubAnon

    It seems obvious: God is punishing us for 8 years of Bush-Cheney pro-Big-Oil policies.

  • Ninong

    There are a lot of people who are just that stupid and they’re the ones who vote for people like themselves. They really believe that it had never rained on the Earth before the “great flood.” They don’t stop to think about how many inches of rain per minute would have had to fall round the clock during those 40 days and 40 nights to cover the Earth to the top of Mt. Everest. Math was not their favorite subject in school.

    People who actually think are possessed by the devil. Suspend reason and accept what is written in the Bible as fact or you’re going straight to hell, along with all those evil evolutionists. That’s why the US has the highest percentage of population that does not believe in evolution of any civilized country on the planet, assuming we don’t count the ones dominated by Islam.

    P.S. — For the benefit of any dumbass bible-thumpers reading this, Everest is approximately 29,000 ft tall. Divide that by 40 and it means rainfall would have had to be 725 feet (8,700 inches) per day, or 362.5″ per hour day and night for 40 days straight. When was the last time you saw 8,700″ of rain in a 24-hr period?

    Osmotic shock would have killed off virtually all life in the ocean. Rainwater covering the planet would have killed off virtually all life, including plant life, on Earth, with the exception of freshwater aquatic life. The last time I pointed this out to a bible-thumper, he told me that it was a miracle. God allowed the life in the ocean to survive and the ocean returned to its previous salinity after the flood waters subsided to whereever (another miracle). But all the animals drowned except those on the ark.

    If you tell them that life on Earth could not be sustained by “mists,” they tell you that was another miracle. Yes, they really believe it had never rained on Earth before Noah’s flood.

  • Naja pallida

    I don’t see it either. We can confront them with reality and facts until we’re blue in the face. The only option is for people to wake the hell up and pass these ignorant Luddites by, but what are the chances of that happening? We take two steps forward, while they claw us three steps back on almost every issue… but there has to be a breaking point somewhere. Where the majority simply get fed up, and the dam breaks, the ignorant obstruction fails to sway enough support to hold up. We’re finally starting to see it with gay rights. We see it in the public opinion polling on gun control, even if legislatively Congress is still rolling around in their own feces, but eventually, something has to give.

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    The whole core of Mars is ice!

    I suppose there must be pseudo-rational explanations for many of these things that are devised at institutes for “creation studies” but for sanity’s sake I don’t delve into them, although I do have a morbid curiosity in such things.

  • melbach007

    What I always wondered about was if the earth was covered with water higher than the mountains where did it drain to when the rain stopped? Was there really an inner earth then that filled up?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    This might be news if it was not Texas!

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    “smartest person in the room?”

    Way, way too much credit for comparisons.

    How about the cleanest pair of shit-stained underwear in the laundry bag?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Oh, c’mon. Every fine, fine Christian knows that is what hurricanes are for.

    This guy is talkin’ climate change of Biblical proportions!

    BTW, where did all that water come from?

  • SkippyFlipjack

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Drew2u

    So how do we, as a country, go forward into a new golden age of enlightenment when we have, at the very heart of everything, a fight between those that accept facts and those who live in their own irrational fantasy worlds (everything from creationism, gun control, militia groups, and conspiracy theorists, “gubmint git ur hands off mah medicayre!”)?
    Until this is addressed, I don’t see how much, notable, progress can be made.

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    “For what is God punishing us this time?”

    Gay marriage, duh!

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    A touch, a touch, I do confess!

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Yo Joe,

    For what is God punishing us this time?

    “I think there’s a divergence of evidence.”

    The divergence in not on the evidence (at least by those that study the science of climate for a living), but on your so-called intelligence for disregarding modern scientific evidence and continually falling back on a two-thousand year-old book/fairy tale that ya can’t even tell us who wrote!

    And just for shits and grins, where is any scientific evidence for this geologically recent flood that rose to the tippy-tippy tops of all the the mountains in creation?

  • RepubAnon

    Last I heard, the reason the Bible gives for for the Flood was as punishment for the humans’ sinful ways. Doesn’t that mean that, according to the Bible, the Flood was the direct result of human actions?

  • Naja pallida

    I await the scientific evidence of an actual global flood, besides a story book. But really, what in the Bible precludes a divine hand in science? This really isn’t a case of religion trying to trump science, it’s a case of ignorance and noncuriosity trying to trump reality. They just use religion to deflect the criticism for their hatred of anything that makes them feel less than the smartest person in the room.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    That’s it!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Oh yeah! And Inhoff is not the only single cell congress critter. Virginia Fox and Louis Gohmert are a close second.

  • BlueIdaho

    I was raised in Texas and remember as a child taught in church that the earth was less than 4,000 years old. Of course, my teachers, were religious zealots who were mainly high school dropouts.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Considering the state of X-tian homeschooling it might go something like this: Noah built a holy boat because the flood that Moses caused offended god, because Eve ate an apple and slept with her bad son and caused the tribe of Ham to be excluded from Jesus’s founding of the lost tribe of Mormons. Now it’s time for the pan cake breakfast. Amen.

  • Zorba

    No, no, no! The bones are there because the dinosaurs didn’t make it onto the Ark, so they all died! Or something like that.
    I’ve heard both “explanations,” though. I think that yours is the more “mainstream” one in Evangelical circles. ;-)

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    The Romans thought they were giant bones.

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    For crying out loud–even if you accept the premise that the Flood happened (it didn’t but work with me here) his argument is still illogical. You can’t get logically from the assertion that a particular instance of climate change wasn’t due to a human cause to the assertion that another instance of climate change must not be due to a human cause. *bangs his head against a wall*

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    God is nothing—-so easy to go there.

  • S1AMER

    Remind me of a statement from Inhofe a few years ago: Paraphrasing, he said something along the lines of “We don’t have to worry about things like rising sea levels, ’cause God promised Noah after the Flood that he wouldn’t repeat that sort of disaster.”

    (Had the GOP taken the Senate last year, Inhofe would currently be chairing the Senate committee with oversight of climate science and similar matters. Kinda makes you want to work harder to see the Democrat’s still in control after next year’s election, huh?)

  • http://www.facebook.com/Delonjo1 Delonjo Barber

    They believe in God. Nothing else.

  • Dave of the Jungle

    Satan put dinosaur bones in the ground to fool mankind into believing in evolution, too.

  • Indigo

    An old drunk who had hallucinations? That fits the Republican profile all right.

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