Glenn Greenwald vs. former CIA officer on whether US foreign policy fuels jihad

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22 Responses to “Glenn Greenwald vs. former CIA officer on whether US foreign policy fuels jihad”

  1. trueth warrior says:

    JUST REMEMBER THIS ..A MUSLIM IS NOT AFRAID TO DIE CANNOT SAY THE SAMETHING ABOUT YOU AND YOUR SCUM ZIONISTS FRIENDS WHO ARE THE REAL CULPRITS ..THAT ARMS THESELVES TO THE TEETH ..IN ORDER TO SHOW THEIR MIGHT TO A LITTLE HOLDING AND READY TO THROW A STONE AT YOUR MIGHTY MACHINES..YOU ZIONISTS PIG SHIT..

  2. trueth warrior says:

    YOU ARE A FUCKWIT CONDEW..JUST WATCH YOUR BACK MAN..

  3. trueth warrior says:

    HEY CONDEW HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE THING THAT SAYS .. IF YOU PLAY WITH FIRE YOU WILL GET BURNED ..WELL ISLAM IS A MIGHTY FORCE TO DABBLE WITH ..IF CAN THEY BRING DOWN AN EMPIRE ( ROMAN EMPIRE ) AND EVENTUALLY THE CRUSADRES .. THEY SURE WILL BRING DOWN YOUR SHITTY STARS AND STRIPES..YOUR FUCK ASS COUNTRY IS STILL A BABY IN CULTURE TO BRAG ABOUT SONNY BOY..300-400 YRS..WELL ISLAM 1450 YRS AND ARABS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR THOUSANDS OF YRS..IF YOU THINK YOU ARE SO SMART FUCKWIT I WILL CHALANGE YOU MAN TO MAN ANYTIME ANYWHERE AND SEE HOW MUCH OF A BIG MOUTH YOU ARE TO MATCH YOU MANHOOD TO DEATH ..IF YOU A JACKASSES AND YOUR SHIT GOVENRMMENT STOP INTERFERING IN OTHER COUNTRIES YOU WILL NOT BE IN THAT MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU SCUM SHIT..

  4. samizdat says:

    I forgot to mention: this happened in Pakistan.

  5. samizdat says:

    Don’t forget the CIA fronting as a polio vaccine effort…and got three actual vaccine workers killed. Well, murdered. And the CIA and its duplicity was the direct cause of their deaths.

  6. htfd says:

    Did anyone expect an x-CIA to say anything other than the companies line. To the CIA 9/11 was something completely out of the blue. The US never did one single thing to make it happen. Unfortunately that very same propaganda is what a large portion of the people in the US believe. You just know Muslims hate us for out freedoms.

  7. Swami_Binkinanda says:

    Everyone we are oppressing becomes a terrorist now because the Communists all sold out. Bangladeshi seamstresses will be the next terrorist group if they start demanding factories not fall on them and JCPenny and WalMart can’t get anymore polyester sansabelts in stock at less than 35 cents a pair.

  8. Swami_Binkinanda says:

    “Islam” didn’t do shit. Some religious nuts who had some authority did their little thing. Like Pat Robertson or the Pope or any other religious figure. This is just another opportunity to victimize brown people. Yippee skippee kill em all is not how civilized people act.

  9. Swami_Binkinanda says:

    Is this Islam or Southern Baptism you are against?
    whackadoo.

  10. Bill_Perdue says:

    The alternative is end the rule of the mad dog empire builders who rule this country as lap dogs of the rich and replace it with a government that works solely in the interests of Ameican workers.

  11. Bill_Perdue says:

    The war against the Arab and muslim world is an empire building war to control resources and acquire bases.

    Obama is the main enemy, at this point, of the US Constitution. He supports NDAA, FISA and the Paytriot act and not only claims the right to murder US citizens and people from other nations but does it on a regular basis.

    Islamophobia, including your version of it, is a form of racism.

    The origin of the violence against American citizens is the violence of the US government in supporting the zionist bunkerstadt, in their genocide in Iraq and in their policy of mass murder from Libya to Palestine.

  12. Bill_Perdue says:

    The vast extent of anger at the US is not a result of Wahhabist agitation. That and other expressions of hatred against the US result from US support for zionist mass murder, apartheid and land theft in Palestine, genocide in Iraq and mass murder from Libya to Pakistan.

    Bush was continuing the policies of his father and of Bill Clinton, who used lies about WMD’s to justify his murder of half a million Iraqi children.

    Why do you mention Bush/Cheney terrorism and not the mad dog terrorism of the Clintons and Obama.

    If you want to fight terrorism you’ll have to fight for the creation of a workers state with a program like this:

    · Immediate, total and permanent withdrawal of all US troops, air and naval fleets, spy agencies and mercenaries to US home bases to be demobilized and until then used to improve infrastructure, protect strikers and people being foreclosed and to provide emergency quality housing, food and medical care for the homeless and unemployed.

    Cut all assistance to the zionist colony in Palestine, give the military assistance to the Palestinians and demand that the zionists accept Palestinian control of Palestine.

    Convene an International War Crimes Tribunal to investigate US involvement in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Korea, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Palestine, Pakistan and elsewhere.

    Convene an International Peace Conference based on a US constitutional renunciation of violence to solve international disputes.

    Pass a constitutional amendment renouncing aggression against other countries and making it a capital crime to lie and plot to begin wars of aggression.

  13. Snaggletooth says:

    If you really want a good example of how much we fuel jihad dig in to this story. It’s all about CIA backed terrorist operations in Chechnya that funded the Boston bombers. Shit goes all the way back to Iran-contra…

    http://beforeitsnews.com/scandals/2013/04/bombshell-fbi-whistleblower-reveals-cia-ran-the-boston-bombers-2431212.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=beforeitsnews

  14. TiberiusB says:

    You had a valid point or two in the previous post, but this “surrender” and “appeasement” stuff is way over the top.

    Imagine, for a moment, that this debate is going on in some bombed out building in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or Yemen, or any of a number of other places.

    Muslim 1: “If we resort to violence we just give the U.S. an excuse to escalate the bombing and bring more war to our already desperate country”

    Muslim 2: “To do nothing is to surrender to imperialism and the tyranny of Western capitalism. Stop? Never. They will not stop until they have bled us dry of every last shred of treasure. Even then we will see our nation torn apart if only to serve as a gateway to our neighbors and their bounty.”

    Muslim 1: “We cannot hope to match their military strength. We will only make matters worse.”

    Muslim 2: “How do you appease a beast whose greed knows no limits? We may lose, but I will go to the next life comforted by the knowledge that I did not simply sit idle while my nation, my people, and my faith were laid waste by the forces of greed. ”
    Muslim 1:”We are too few and too weak to cause even a fraction of the damage the West can rain down on us in response

  15. MonkeyMonkey22 says:

    Both are correct to varying extents. While there are certainly individuals and groups that are driven to violence as a reaction to recent US aggression the underlying movement is driven by motivations that cut across a great deal more time and space than the last two US president’s actions. Wahhabi Islam envisions a world that is in diametrical opposition to the world that the US represents from a perspective of liberalism in religion, women’s rights, free speech, sexual freedom and many other things that theoretically the US believes are inalienable human rights. The underlying movement would continue to target the US and its interests even if we were to stop everything we were doing in the Middle East and abandon Israel entirely.

    In Greenwald’s defense we do need to be more judicious in our use of force around the world since every time a drone strike kills a person it is someone’s child or sibling and we have made a lifelong enemy of anyone who loved that person.

  16. condew says:

    The alternative is surrender. We all become conservative Moslems who execute gays, beat wives who are insufficiently docile, exclude women from even an elementary education, and of course demand the murder of anybody who dares say a word against the prophet.

    You may call it “stop playing imperialist”, I call it appeasement. Appeasement doesn’t work.

  17. Bcre8ve says:

    John McCain seems to agree with Greenwald, in the case of Syria, at least. That totally makes it true, right?

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/28/john-mccain-if-we-dont-invade-syria-theyll-hate-us-for-not-invading-them-seriously-video/

  18. Bcre8ve says:

    Small quibble – Vincent Van Gogh had no children, therefore no descendants. Rather, Theo was descended from Vincent’s brother, also called Theo.

  19. caphillprof says:

    By denying responsibility for our own actions, we simply fuel the crazies. Denial is in the interest of the CIA and the American war machine.

  20. Sweetie says:

    So, the solution to Rove’s endless war is endless war?

    The “judicious” use of drones is what, exactly? Is it to kill 16 year old Americans?

    If we want to stop fueling “terrorism”, then we should stop playing imperialist in the Middle East. We should also stop automatically siding with Israel even when its actions are clearly wrong, as with the flotilla murder.

    I am certainly no fan of Islam, but I also am not a fan of using it as a pretext for killing civilians, installing/supporting brutal dictators, and the like. Behavior that perpetuates terrorism is itself terrorism.

  21. Badgerite says:

    I’d have to say, I’m with the CIA guy on this one. Let us consider the case of Salman Rushdie. What did Salman Rushdie do to inflame the jihadists? He wrote a book. It was a book critical of Islam but in the west we would call that free speech. Being a Constitutional Lawyer, I’m sure Glen Greenwald has heard of this concept. Free speech. For this act of free speech, Islam sentenced him to death. As Christopher Hitchens puts it, very well, I think.

    “To restate the premise of the argument again: the theocratic head of a foreign despotism offers money in his own name in order to suborn the murder of a civilian citizen of another country, for the offense of writing a work of fiction. No more root-and-branch challenge to the values of the Enlightenment or the First Amendment of the Constitution, could be imagined.”

    Salman Rushdie survived and somehow managed to even flourish but attempts were made on the people around him and a man working for him as a language interpreter was killed. As was Theo Van Gogh, the Belgian descendant of Vincent Van Gogh who had made a movie critical of Islam with respect to women’s rights. He was killed for it. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Muslim woman also involved in the production of the movie ‘Submission’ is alway at risk of death for it.

    The jihadis have attacked all over the world. In India. In Spain. In the Philippines. In Indonesia. They have attacked and continue to attack those within the Muslin world who do not agree with them or just those who are from an opposing sect of the same religion such as the sufis or the horrendous Sunni/Shiite split. They were behind attacks in Somalia during the Clinton presidency and what we were doing at the time was trying to help avert famine and chaos. This, of course, predated the most recent Iraq war. The one that is supposed to have ‘radicalized’ everyone. I would really like Glen Greenwald to explain to me how it is okay for an American citizen to consider his objection to a war to be a good reason to blow up an airliner or advocate the killing of any American citizen. Well, they were ‘radicalized’, so that makes it okay. How, exactly, is that any different than the man (Eric Rudolph I think his name was) who set off a bomb at the Atlanta Olympics? He was ‘radicalized’ too. How is it different from the Ayrian Brotherhood. They are also, ‘radicalized’. Just using the term does not absolve the person of the crime. Does it?

    It is true that they have not attacked Brazil. Nor has the United States attacked Brazil. Good for Brazil. So Glen Greenwald’s advice to those who believe in the values of the United States Constitution vs ‘Submission’ would be to find some corner of the world to hide out in irrelevance with respect to this world wide assault on the values of the Enlightenment that underlie all Western thought. How about, NOOOOO!

  22. condew says:

    First, thanks to our “ally” Saudi Arabia, for sending Wahhabi Islam throughout the world, and really helping to ferment the anger that lead to 9-11.

    Second, thanks George W. Bush for using 9-11 as an excuse to invade Iraq and commit the inevitable atrocities of war on a people who hold a grudge for a thousand years.

    So I agree with the CIA man, if we stopped doing anything in the world for decades, the militant Islam our “friends” spread, and war stories, will fuel violence against us for generations. Greenwald is an idiot.

    So thanks to Bush/Cheney terrorism will continue if we are aggressive, and it will continue if never do anything again. This makes terrorism irrelevant to our foreign policy except that it is a threat that must be managed, too. Because nothing we do or don’t do will make it go away.

    We must fight terrorism like we fight organized crime, with good police work and good intelligence supported whenever possible with good diplomacy and alliances, and, whenever necessary, and when the intelligence is very good, small-scale military action and very judicious use of drones.

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