French religious right promises to spill blood over gay marriage push

The anti-gay French religious right, which has close ties to American “family values” groups, most notably the lead anti-gay-marriage group in the US, National Organization for Marriage (NOM), is promising to spill blood if the French government moves ahead with plans to expedite passage of a law legalizing gay marriage in the country.

French President François Hollande, who was sworn in last May, promised as part of his campaign to legalize same-sex marriage.  The French parliament is now in the process of finishing legislation doing just that.  The key portions of the legislation have passed, and final passage is now considered inevitable.

Rather than debate the bill for another four weeks or more, the majority party has put the bill on an expedited path towards a final vote, which has further enraged the already-violent anti-gay-marriage movement in France (which is also heavily infiltrated by the Catholic church).  Opposition leader, and comic, Frigide Barjot, promised on Friday that the family values groups will spill blood if the legislation is expedited:

“Hollande veut du sang, il en aura ! Tout le monde est furieux. Nous vivons dans une dictature.”

“Hollande wants blood, and he’s going to get it.  Everyone is furious. We live in a dictatorship.”

The blood is already spilling.  Wilfred de Bruijn and his boyfriend were brutally beaten in Paris a week ago by several men shouting homophobic epithets, he say.  The photos of his injuries, that he posted on Facebook, caused such a stir the French Interior Minister called Bruijn to express his personal shock.


Wilfred de Bruijn

The support for gay marriage in the parliament, including unexpected support from conservatives (though still not much), has incensed the French “family values” groups, who have teamed up with the conservative opposition – basically, the French Republican party, for lack of a better comparison – to try to use gay-bashing as a means to unite the entire right-wing in France, including violence-prone fascists and white supremacists.

Sadly, the extremism has included a call to use children as human shields, and a hate crime in the center of Paris that anti-gay-marriage activists had the gall to film and post on YouTube.

The problem for the French right is that 63% of French voters support gay marriage. So, they’ve taken a page from the American Tea Party, and more generally the extremist controlling the American Republican party, in trying to mobilize their violent supporters to scare the government into backing down.

This is similar to the way nascent Tea Partyers shut down congressional town hall meetings on health care reform in order to scare Democratic politicians into believing a majority of the country was against the provisions of Obamacare, when it was not.

The Republicans tried a similar move during the election recount in 2000, when they sent GOP Hill staffers, among others, incognito to “storm” the room in which Florida’s election staff were counting the infamous “hanging chads.”   Again, the point was to use the threat of the mob to intimidate the Democratic process.

Which probably explains why the government is interested in getting the vote over quickly.  Marriage equality supporters have already won the key votes that were needed to pass the legislation – it’s now a fait accompli.  But the right in France is desperate to do whatever it can to take down Hollande’s government – not only because of Hollande’s support for gay marriage, but gays always prove a useful foil for conservatives in any language, so if the French opposition, which includes the lead opposition party, the UMP, the “family values” groups and the Catholic church need to inspire a little (or lot of) gay-bashing to help knock the government off of its game, so be it.

Wilfred de Bruijn, the gay man who was brutally beaten in Paris last week, knows very well who to blame for his attack, the family-values right and the Catholic church:

“It was not Frigide Barjot who was hitting my head, or the bishop of Avignon lurking in that street to attack us,” he said. “But they are responsible.”

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  • Gaye

    Notice that the education is totally to push for homosexuality, there is no teaching of exactly
    the things that so many of them do like golden showers, fisting, sex with many men in a night passing on diseases to each other along with sperm, the stretching of the anus so eventually faeces leak out, or they have to have operations etc etc.. the anus muscle was not designed to have a penis pushed up it..

    If they want to do that then do it in their own homes, they get the same rights as defactos anyway,
    it is homosexuals who have made this into an issue in the first place.. .

    Our young adults should not hear all one side they should also look up disease amongst homosexuals and see why so many people including the so called religious people are perhaps pushing against it, and realise that their prodigious might be also because of the much higher rate of disease amongst homosexuals, that they in fact care about the health of people, especially as the disease is passed to heterosexuals via bi sexuals..

    Old diseases which had almost disappeared have now come back in epidemic proportions.. don’t just look at sights that are in favour, look at professional sites which tell of this as well.. I did.. then stop and think of how many old homosexuals are there ??? is it that they have died of diseases or is it that 30 years ago the rate of homosexuals was not that great, which proves that they are not born like it, eh..

    Stop and think as to how many homosexuals come from messed up backgrounds, and of course that is not so with everyone so don’t jump down my neck over that,.. some have also come from good homes or been got at as kids etc, etc.
    I do believe that chemicals in todays diets is a factor, eg, soy milk or foods has a lot of oestrogen in it, and unbeknown to us it is in so much of our food including our chickens.
    One reason that menopausal women are told to have a lot of soy to help them with hot flushes etc because of the oestrogens in it… and they encourage feeding soy milk to babies when they are milk intolerant????

  • Gaye

    I hear so much talk on here about violence and the far right. It is not so long ago that the so called far right and religious right were counted as middle of the road. The push to the left by the militant left has been so great that now the right are called extremists..

    All I can say that yes I am very phobic about certain things, and it is time to look at why disease
    amongst homosexuals has reached epidemic proportions.. The said that the swine flu was epidemic but it only killed a tiny percentage of what disease amongst homosexuals kills.. so yes I am drugophobic, rapeophobic, murderophobic, alcoholophobic, islamophobic, warophobic, and homophobic, anything that kills I am ophobic about.. and that includes the violence from homosexuals who push their agenda which has violently been done for 30 years, or those who are violent against homosexuality.. and I am not religious, but I and our friends are sure against it. So if there is truly so many of the public in favour of this killer act then why do they not take it to a referendum instead of forcing it on the whole population.. Is the reason that they do not because they know that the real number against it is 79% .. it is just that the media and left wing politicians are in favour so they push it and make those against it look
    nasty for being against it..

  • revrocky210

    USA – from Puritans to Impure-itans

    Is there a connection between beautiful New England and entire American cities turned into smoking rubble? There is.

    Take same-sex marriage. I would have guessed that a “sin” city (San
    Francisco? Las Vegas?) would have been the first to legalize it.

    Oddly it’s been the place where America started that’s wanted to be the
    first place to help bring about the end of America and its values! It’s
    been a Nor’easter of Perversion (helping to fulfill the end time “days
    of Lot” predicted in Luke 17) that began in (you guessed it) Boston in
    New England has gone from the Mayflower Compact to the Gay
    Power Impact, from Providence to decadence, from Bible thumpers to God
    dumpers, from university to diversity to perversity, and from the land
    of the Great Awakening to God’s Future Shakening that will make the
    Boston bombings look like Walden Pond ripples by comparison!
    same Nor’easter has been spreading south and as far west as Washington
    State where, after swelling up with pride, Mt. Rainier may wish to
    celebrate shame-sex marriage by having a blast that Seaddlepated folks
    can share in lava-land!
    The same Luke 17 prediction is tied to
    the Book of Revelation which speaks of the cities that God will flatten
    because of same-sexism – including American cities – a scenario I’ll
    have to accept since I can’t create my own universe and decree rules for
    I’ve just been analyzing the world’s terminal “religion”
    that has its “god,” its accessories, its “rites,” and even a flag. It’s
    an obsession that the infected converts are willing to live for, fight
    for – and even die for!
    Want more facts? Google “God to
    Same-Sexers: Hurry Up,” “Government-Approved Illegals,” “FOR GAYS ONLY:
    Jesus predicted” and “The Background Obama Can’t Cover Up.”

    [The preceding composition appeared recently on the worldwide net.]

  • splashy79

    Shrinking the size of government = women being thrown back into being owned.

  • splashy79

    The word was “inane,” having a totally different meaning.

  • splashy79

    They are afraid that white women will stop reproducing as much, and they will be “overrun” with people of color, I guess.

  • Noctournis

    Um, yes, yes I have been listening. I’m liberal, I’m gay, and I’m not shy about being offended by something I don’t like, or criticizing a priest.

    I’ve been listening, and our priests generally give pretty PC, intelligent and insightful sermons about self-improvement. They seem to think there are enough things we could all improve in our lives that are not controversial, that it makes sense to start there instead of pissing people off.

    So, advocating ‘fag bashing’, is way, way outside anything I have ever heard in person even from the most reactionary clergy I have ever known.

    But of course, don’t let me stop you judging our clergy based on what you imagine they say, you know, in your own head.

  • caphillprof

    You haven’t been listening.

  • Noctournis when you were faced with the facts on what a cult is and why I don’t belong to one, that washed right over your cranium like water off a ducks back. No danger of any information getting in there, eh?

    I see you couldn’t be bothered refuting my points about the Big Bang, knowledge carried through the dark ages, openness to other world views (very unlike yourself), anything really.

    As I pointed out, religious people protect your right not to believe and, of course, you just proved you have no such respect for the first amendment. Making us more progressive than you. Congratulations.

    I’ll never deny you have a point that there was a large cover up of a scandal involving a very small percentage of priests, but of course, even there where you have a valid point, you’ve taken it and stretched the truth into such outrageous proportions you have propelled what is left into utter falsehood and slander.

    Just out of curiosity, was Benedict XVI ‘in bed’ with the ‘ultra right’ when he condemned the Iraq War? When he denounced “the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset which also finds expression in an unregulated capitalism, various forms of terrorism and criminality”. Yes, right out of the Tea Party that one, eh?

    If Catholics were allied with fascists, odd that there are many Catholic clergy honored by Yad Vashem as ‘Righteous Among the Nations’ and at least two Popes have been nominated (hint: the people doing the nominating are Jewish).

    It will take a while for the Church to come around on the gay issue. A 2000 year old institution doesn’t change on the turn of a dime, and I wouldn’t respect it if it did. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but 99% of heterosexual Catholics are using condoms and most of them don’t feel even a little guilty.

  • Bill_Perdue

    You have an odd outlook on the roman cult. It is an international conspiracy to aid and abet child rapists, it is in bed with fascists and the ultra right and it is, first and always, a fraud. Religion is the enemy,

    Most of us happy ex cultists (I gave up on it when I was 15 and the priest told me that me and my boyfriend were sinners) are glad to be part of the modern world and not the insanely dark world of madness that comes howling straight from the Dark Ages telling us that the Exorcist was a documentary.

    I never addressed or mentioned the question of atheism although I do think the cults and their priests, imams, rabbis, pastors and ministers are a threat to society and that the cults should be prosecuted whenever possible.

    I’d like to help you with your addiction to superstition but I lack medical credentials Get help. Best of luck. And remember, keep those boys and girls away from priests at all costs.

  • Noctournis

    I’ll call it what I like, I’ve been out for 23 years, and that’s a hell of a lot longer than a lot of the people over at HRC working on the issue.

    A cult has a very specific definition, and sorry, mainstream religions don’t fit the mold. No priest has ever told me not to talk to members of my family that aren’t Catholic, they have never told me not to explore different ideas – in fact, the Catholic high school I attended required me to memorize all sorts of information about every religion they could, including making me learn the 5 pillars of Islam.

    Of course, I’m sure you believe you are very logical and scientific, so when faced with evidence that you are incorrect, you’ll change your view, right?

    You might want to look up who originally proposed the Big Bang Theory while you’re whining about the Dark Ages, which would be the period when Roman and Greek philosophy and learning were propagated and passed on by… The Roman Catholic Church.

    Lastly, your attempt to dodge will not work. FACT: There are not enough atheists in the United States to pass jack squat. Marriage Equality is becoming a reality because people that believe in God (and/or gods, I’m more than happy to include pagans) believe that it is a good idea.

  • Bill_Perdue

    French voters who support marriage equality are likely the same voters who voted socialist, communist, for the revolutionary left or for the greens. And it’s not gay marriage, Monsignor, it’s just marriage.

    American voters from many cults now embrace marriage equality because they’re more swayed by democratic ideas than the rancid superstitions and insanity of the baby raper cult, the mormons and the evangelical protties. The Dark Ages are over – make no mistake about it.

  • Noctournis

    Um… here’s the problem with all that. Who do you think the 63% that support marriage in France are, exactly, brilliant one?

    Do you think they are all atheists?

    Have you noticed that the states that embraced marriage first in the US are the ones with the highest Catholic populations? Ever look at a poll of Catholic voters on the issue of gay marriage?

    You go and find me a single state where Gay Marriage can and will pass without the support of religious people. If we were everything you say we are we would change the constitution and outlaw atheism. We have the numbers to do it. The difference is, we, religious people in America, are more open minded than you will ever be. We invented the separation of church and state, we put it into law, and if we didn’t agree with it, it would not be law today.

    Make no mistake about it.

  • Noctournis

    I can tell you’ve never been inside a church. I’ve been Roman Catholic for 41 years and I have never heard a priest encourage or condone violence against anyone, ever.

  • You, sir, are an ignorant homophobic bigot, and I suspect no amount of accurate information or simple compassion will fill the gaping void in your soul.

    I pity you.

  • denis renaud

    The advocacy of pedophilia is part ot the history of the gay movement…and that is violence against children….you need to read more.

  • UncleBucky

    Yep, the Pope does not represent Jesus (maybe some kind of “Christ-god”, but not Jesus). Yep, it’s my affair. What’s YOUR affair?

  • There has never been a government that didn’t have the right to hand our privileges.What do you think corporate welfare constitutes?

  • I support whores in this case.

  • Not to mention the burning of women accused of being witches for healing the sick with herbs.

  • Bill_Perdue

    ‘Shall we say a pox on both their houses?” No. Lets just say that religion and all the cults are the enemy and leave it at that.

  • pappyvet

    Hatred,stupidity and prejudice, have no border. This world of humans is quickly moving towards a tipping point on so many levels,homophobia,greed, racism, and religious intolerance{two words that one would think have no natural affection towards one another.] I fear greatly that George Orwell may have been not just an inspired writer,but a prophet . Those of us who treasure”We the People”,ALL the People,are in for a struggle that is also without borders . I believe that we will triumph but counting the cost,will we then be able to at last put down the monster and live with ourselves and our planet instead of the endless cycle of barbarity that has marked us for thousands of years. Once humanity tasted freedom,the march began, and cannot be stopped without violence. Physical violence,political violence,monetary violence and the ability to gather disciples by any means. And the clock is ticking

  • EdA

    “Oh right, one time, one lone guy with mental health issues who wounded a guy with a handgun.” … And who was immediately denounced.

    As contrasted with the Randall Terry’s who actively praise and the religious psychopaths who condone the bombing of abortion clinics and the murder of health care workers.

    And we have sickos such as Frothy and Eddie Munster who claim that they show disapproval of speech intended to inspire hate by not joining in the cheers. And now leaders of religious groups who claim that their religious liberties are being infringed on because they are inhibited from forcing their theology onto the world at large, or particular parts of the world.

  • Gotcha. Not gender-bending drag, but simple parody drag.

  • EdA

    A more than fair description of the GOP and its leading psychopaths.

  • Ted Hayes

    Religion is supposed to provide one with access to God. Who needs this type of hypocrisy?

  • Jankowitts

    Lol I’m not trolling. I’m just advocating that the state move out of the way so we can end this debate over who gets what. I’m not trying to argue here I’m just trying to talk.

  • Go away troll. you are out of your tiny league here.

  • We pity you. holding a conversation with an ideologue with you is a waste of time.

  • Simple: every time you open your mouth it’s inane.

  • “how’s that sound?” It sounds like your are a right wing troll and pissing on the wrong site.

  • but it’s ALWAYS necessary…

  • Nope, although, there’s that whole “Whore of Babylon” business…

  • Jankowitts

    Pity you because I know your options on things like this are so absurd that they arnt worth expressing.

  • PeteWa

    I pity your inability to understand how to reply to the correct comment.

  • Jankowitts

    I pity you for your inability to hold a conversation with me.

  • Ah yes, Christians… And the idiots who call themselves “christians” wonder why decent people around the world compare you fools to the Taliban…

  • PeteWa

    poor thing, you’re not even smart enough to understand the difference between inane and insane?
    I pity you.
    *protip: it’s *you’re* – a conjunction of you and are.

  • cole3244

    religion is the evil that keeps giving the bigots of the world the cover to continue their attack on those not members of the mainstream, as the mainstream stands by in silence and lets the zealots carry out their criminal activities on another minority group.

  • Jankowitts

    Your right I forgot freedom is insanity.

  • PeteWa

    I really wish you could understand how it’s inane without an explanation.
    sadly, as you are unable to do so, the explanation itself will fall on deaf ears.

  • Actually, staunchly conservative Islamic communities get called on their D- grades 4 human rights, too. Ur comment resembles the Ra-ra War-in-Iraq tactic that was used.

  • Jankowitts

    I really wish you would explain how it’s insane.

  • PeteWa

    your “entire point” is inane.

  • U give 1 of the most accurate descriptions of regressive mentality in the U.S. I have ever read – Perfect description of the ‘Boys Club.’

  • George Melby

    Yes, I would, but this is just the tip of the dirty iceberg for the social conservative mongoloids. They may need to be quarantined for their own safety.

  • George Melby

    What a disgrace for chicken-shit assholes to be compared to the French anti-humanity dolts! Thank God the great majority of the French people are intelligent and have common sense going for them!

  • jm2

    “French family values” has to be one of the most oxymoronic things i’ve ever heard! France is also identified as a very catholic country. what a joke. about 10% actually attend mass. and it is the most secular country not just in Europe but probably the world. more tyranny of the ‘minority’. Madame DeFarge is frantacally knitting with her arthritic fingers & screaming, “Coupez-leur la tête!”

  • mark_in_toronto

    So, just what is it that NOM and these other Nazi organizations are so afraid of? What is so important that ‘spilling blood’ is the only alternative? What do they fear?
    The really gross part of all of this is . . . not even THEY know what they are actually afraid of. They are just . . . chicken-shit assholes.

  • lynchie

    I am saying it because when the Church (all religions) gets a sense that it has lost control of one of its core messages they will unleash the hounds. And yes the attack on the right to have an abortion if the woman so chooses. Roe vs Wade was won decades ago yet it is still the rallying cry for the Right. The simple fact is the right wants to dictate what you can and cannot do whether you are in the majority or not. Like our government. The right lost and lost big time (though I am not a fan of O’s) and yet that majority rule is prevented from governing and doing the will of the people and yes in part because our Congress and WH don’t truly give a shit what we want. We are not a democracy where the two sides debate an issue and proceed. We are governed by the 1% and if they don’t want women to have abortions then Roe vs Wade will go by the wayside. Same with marriage equality and they are supported by the various religious factions.

  • Jankowitts

    Of course the government only job is to protect your PROPERTY thys including your person. Whether if we have a government or not the market would call for any assault on property to be punished. The government has no authority to hand out the priveldges it does. Where in the constitution does it say it has the authority for any of this. I don’t know what your advocating I wish you would explain yourself.

  • EdA

    You are calling explicitly for the law to protect property rights. Your initial posts, written in the explicit context of assaults with intent to commit grievous bodily harm, indicate that you do not think that government should protect the personal rights of individuals. “The entire point is that those privileges [of marriage] shouldn’t exist in the first place.”

  • EdA

    Are you saying this partly because the American religious crazies have been practicing, not just advocating, murder of people who help women exercising their constitutional right of choice?

  • Jankowitts

    Shrinking the size of government would make life much more easy for people. The bigger the government the more expensive. And how am I a idiot for calling for freedom? Why can’t we end the states involvement in marriage? A place it doesn’t belong….get the state out of things like marriage and we won’t have such problems.

  • Stev84

    You’re an idiot. You are going at this for all the wrong reasons. It’s true that marriage is used far too often as a default metric to allocate benefits and rights. There should be more thought about whether it’s really necessary to restrict some things to married couples. In many cases, it’s not.

    However, as usual it’s going from one extreme to the next. Getting rid of state-sanctioned marriage entirely is simply impossible. And it serves its purpose in general. It just needs to be reformed and other kinds of relationships and arrangements should be acknowledged too.

    And of course the reason for any kind of reform isn’t your infantile “to shrink the size of the government” (which conservatives are deathly opposed to despite any rhetoric to the contrary), but to make life for people easier.

  • Jankowitts

    Your talk is nonsense

  • EdA

    So you ARE calling for the expansion of the law of the jungle, in which people are free to murder others for no particular reason, as long as they don’t take their wallets.

  • Jankowitts

    No I’m actually calling for property rights. Where everyone is sovereign and the law is there to protect property rights. how’s that sound? Or do we need the state to tax us on our income eda?

  • EdA

    So, essentially you are calling for expansion of the law of the jungle, in which Tony Soprano, John Cornyn, and Vladimir Putin get to make the rules and take what they want.

  • lynchie

    If true marriage equality passes here don’t think for a minute the right won’t turn violent. Up to now there have been incidents but with the passing of a law I predict, sadly, that all hell will break loose. the RC, and all the Family Crap groups like Bauers, etc will be pushing the go button and I am worried the police won’t side with the Gay Community. Just my opinion just like I am constantly upset that the molesting priests are never charged and put where they belong, in prison. Upon their release they must be registered sex offenders and made pariahs of the community.

  • OMG, you mean the Pope ISN’T the anti Christ?

  • Jankowitts

    I will, what kind of tea are you drinking?

  • Drink your tea O’Libertarian one.

  • like!

  • True, the majority of violence committed in American demonstrations is done by the police, who do not embrace the Constitutional right to protest, but the corporate right to violent suppression even if not necessary.

  • Well done!

  • Jankowitts

    Well I don’t think we could ever get every hetrosexual couple to give up their martial privileges from the state. This just shows how big of a hole we have dug ourselves in. I don’t think it’s right that there’s such discrimnation by the state against gay couples but I think the fight should ultimately be to shrink the size of government.

  • Yep, she’s a straight drag queen.

  • I got that over at J.M.G here: you’ll have to scroll down a bit to find it—has a picture of Frigide in pink. These folks appear to be very sick. Frigide does a drag parody of Brigit Bardo, whom she hates.

  • clarknt67

    “those privileges shouldn’t exist in the first place”

    Great. But the only way to make them stop existing is, as BeccaM point out, getting straight people to give them up. So, I’d like to hear your plan for getting married people to give up their 1,100 federal right and privileges?

  • pat

    actually i think there is a big difference between the US and France. In France things can get very confrontational in demonstrations, with fringe groups getting violent. I am always very impressed to see how civil the demonstrations in the US are. Opposite groups are often facing each other in the streets and yelling, they are offensive and rude, but it seems there is lots of respect and not much risk for violent outbursts. Very impressive.

  • No, we criticize (extreme) Islam when Islamic extremists blow things up, and we criticize Islam when conservative Arab states arrest and hang gay man, etc, and use their religion as an excuse. But in this case, we’re dealing with western countries where the Catholics, and in the case of the US, the Catholics, the Baptists and the Mormons hold the reins when it comes to hate. So if the hood fits…

  • Jankowitts

    The entire point is that those privileges shouldn’t exist in the first place. That’s really what the article is saying. The states causing this ruckus by involving itself in something it has nothing to do with.

  • RainbowGurl

    I’m starting to wonder if this Catholic pride that I’ve been noticing is really idolatry. I’m very worried that deceived Christians, even very well-intentioned ones, have been worshipping this idol so fiercely that they’ve failed to notice that their god has essentially become a terrorist organization.

  • Libertarian, huh? Well, you convince the heterosexuals to give up their 1100+ Federal rights and privileges first, and then maybe we lesbians and gays will consider whether a totally non-civil marriage equality right has been reduced to ‘silly.’

  • Violence is a core value in right-wing heterosexual families…apparently.

  • jankowitts
  • I’ve told this story before, about a childhood “friend” who when us kids got together and played games, was like Jekyll and Hyde. Only his Jekyll was a smug asshole… and his Hyde, well, he’d become violent.

    His trigger was whether or not he was winning. If he was winning, he was smug asshole Jekyll. If he was losing — either personally, or his team — it was like a toggle switch. He’d demand mulligans. Rule changes. That we overlook blatant cheating on his part. Argue that he’d hit the wiffle-ball or kicked the kick-ball well within the base lines even though it was obvious to everybody else he’d fouled. As soon as we got tired of giving him his way and letting him win, he’d go nuts. If we were lucky, he’d storm off and go pout in his room. If not… well, we soon learned that wiffle-ball games couldn’t continue if Mr. Hyde had broken our plastic bats. Eventually we gravitated toward games of tag and such, where there was no equipment he could break.

    Anyway, most of the ones you talk about — whom I’ve termed radical regressives — wouldn’t know a ‘liberal progressive dictatorship’ if one bit them on the ass. In large part because there is no such thing. Regressive politics and social policy gravitates naturally towards authoritarian rule, and the belief in so-called democracy only as long as they get their way 100% of the time. Progressive politics and social policy seeks to protect the rights of ALL the people, including minorities — and no, not to allow any one minority or majority to impose its will on others. Allowing for equality in gay rights and freedom from discrimination isn’t anything like the bigots would claim, either, when the ‘freedom’ they want is the right to oppress others of whom they disapprove.

    Or to put it another way, our practice is to try to win elections fairly and to operate through the rule of democratically elected government — including the judiciary. Theirs is to win by any means necessary, even if it comes to spilling blood.

  • FLL

    From what I see on the Internet, people think that it’s her stage name that is reminiscent of a drag queen. I think she’s a straight female, although nothing would surprise me.

  • Yep.

  • FLL

    The recent hate campaign in France has been substantially sponsored by the Catholic hierarchy. In the U.S., both the Catholic hierarchy and evangelical Protestants sponsor similar campaigns. Please don’t pretend that pro-equality people in France and the U.S. are dealing with a largely Muslim enemy in their struggle because they’re not. Yes, I understand that fundamentalist Islam is the major force standing in the way of freedom… in Muslim countries. Stop giving Christianist bigots a pass when you know as well as everyone else does that in Western countries, like the U.S. and France, they are the single biggest obstacle standing in the way of equality.

  • Are you sure about that? My French is a little rusty, but her Wiki entry doesn’t seem to indicate this. It even describes her as married with two kids. Original name was Virginia Merle, Frigide Barjot is her stage name.

  • caphillprof

    Sunday’s sermon precipitates next Saturday’s fag bashing. Thus is the history of Western “civilization.”

  • You need a bigger violin.

  • FLL

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all.

  • unreligious

    Well said FLL.

  • Did you know that Frigide Barjotis is a drag queen performer? These are a particularly rancid of ‘queer’/skin head type homosexuals and hangers0on, who are recent converts to a radical fascist ‘cult’ within the Church.

  • “Look, over there! Someone else who hates gay people — criticize them! Pay no attention to OUR hatred of gay people! Or the fact it’s Christian religious fundamentalists who are dictating anti-gay policy and legislation in America — and now attempting to do the same thing in France.”

    It’s hilarious you thinking that criticizing the violent rhetoric of radical fundamentalist Christians equals “lauding” of equally abhorrent radical fundamentalist Islam. Don’t you get it? We liberals and secularists will criticize anybody who tries to use ancient myth-based anti-science corrupt and intolerant religions as a cudgel to oppress people.

    Take your ad hominem attacks, scapegoating, conflation and intellectually dishonest debating techniques elsewhere. We actually value critical thinking here.

  • Anti-Christ, no. However, all the BP above and more. The Vatican is a criminal enterprise, enabler of serial child abuse, and even worse crimes. I’d like to see the Vatican in a pile of rubble and its nation status revoked.

  • emjayay

    Serious question: Why do right wingers in France apparently do the same thing as right wingers in the United States? In both cases, leaders and representatives are chosen in democratic elections. The government does things according to the rule of law (not so much under Nixon and Reagan and Bush II, but that’s another story and they didn’t complain then). The government, supported by an increasing majority of the people, decides to extend equal rights of some sort (health care, marriage) to all citizens. And suddenly it’s “Dicatator Obama” (or Obammy and Mooshelle, but that’s another story also) and “Everyone is furious. We live in a dictatorship.”

    Can anyone explain?

  • Bill_Perdue

    That’s not true at all.

    There’s plenty of criticism of the role of islamist homophobes from Iran and Iraq, where it is occurring and solely the fault of the US invasion and occupation and in other Arab and muslim societies The Arab Spring at first included the muslim Brotherhood and other but now it’s leadership is secular and leftist. The same trend is occurring in Iran where the demonstrations are explicitly secular and anti-cutl.

    It’s not possible to bash the roman cult, it’s baby raping clergy and it’s deep interpenetration with fascist ideology.It’s far and away the most powerful homophobic and misogynistic group on the planet and it’s an international conspiracy to aid and abet the rape of children. It has no redeeming features. Children get raped in their ‘charitable’ venues too. Roman cult orphanages have always been scenes of unrelenting torture and rape by priests, monks and nuns.

  • emjayay

    If you want people to actually read your comments you might want to find the shift keys on your keyboard.

  • emjayay

    Evengelical Protestants are of course guilty of a whole lot more than the KKK.

  • douglas

    the story regarding mr. bruijn has been repeated over and over, with the same scant details.he was attacked in the 19th arroindisment, a district with a large number of muslims and jews, including a growing number of orthodox jews,where there has been several well-documented brutal attacks on jews over the past several years and we know attacks on jew is increasing in france. liberals, hollywood and the media continue to stiir up hatred toward catholics but never criticis islam. they criticize the lack of gay rights in uganda which is overwhelming christian but ignore the gay rights situation in gambia, where the country’s leader has voted to kill any gay person in his country. people haven’t felt so free to be anti-catholic in the u.s.a. since the days of the KKK, another vehemently anti-catholic group. continue to bash catholics and christians and laud islam… and the ranks of the far right will only continue to swell.

  • There is one upside to this: The rest of France is getting to witness the hatred and violence of their radical-regressives.

    Until now, they’ve presented themselves as merely a “go slow” conservatism alternative. Now the mask is off: They’re actually radical fascists who’ll do anything, including resorting to violence, to advance their agenda.

  • And when is the last time LGBTs engaged in violence to secure our rights? Oh right, one time, one lone guy with mental health issues who wounded a guy with a handgun.

    Where are the roaming gangs of gays beating up anybody they perceive to be straight? Where are the threats to “spill blood” if we’re not allowed to marry or to be free from discrimination? Where are the gays and lesbians engaging in systematic campaigns of ‘conversion rape’ of straight adults, to turn them gay? Or the gay clergy saying that straight people should be rounded up and put into concentration camps?

    Wilfred de Bruijn is exactly right: It may not have been those hate-mongers who brutally beat him, but they’re the ones who keep telling their followers it’s their duty to hate gay people. And hate inevitably leads to violence. They say it’s “moral” to disapprove of homosexuality. Well, there’s nothing moral in resorting to or encouraging violence to express that disapproval.

    They are responsible. When they call for blood to be spilled, they are responsible.

  • Thomas Mc

    Sounds like Right Wing TERRORISM to me.

  • clarknt67
  • FLL

    The vast majority of the population in both France and Mexico are of Catholic family background, even though most may not be practicing Catholics. I think the winning strategy in countries which are historically Catholic is to publicly support secularism as the ideal of government, which would win broad support throughout the population in countries such as France and Mexico.

    The problem with the phrase “Roman cult” is not so much that it might be insulting to former Catholics and lapsed Catholics as that you might be misunderstood by using that phrase. The phrase “Roman cult” is indeed used by evangelical Protestants to imply that fundamentalist Protestant religion is the only “true” form of Christianity. There is a long history in the U.S. of evangelical Christians bashing immigrants from Catholic regions such as Ireland, southern Europe and Latin America, whether or not those immigrants are practicing Catholics at all. In order to avoid misunderstanding, it might be best to acknowledge the damage done by all forms of Christianity. Yes, the Catholic Church was in league with the fascist governments of Spain and Italy during the 1930s. Equally damning is the long association of evangelical Protestants with the Ku Klux Klan in the U.S. Shall we say a pox on both their houses?

  • You think it’s fine to use the same kind of language comfortably adopted by American right-wing Christians who think the Pope is literally the anti-Christ? I suppose that’s your affair.

  • UncleBucky

    Excellent. I had been writing “RCC” but I like your “Roman cult” meme. I will use it.

    Religion is the enemy, or the supersitions that are always associated with a repressive religion are always the perennial problems.

  • Bill_Perdue

    The roman cult has deep interconnections with fascists in Europe and elsewhere.

    Their anti-Semitism and anti-communism were major factors in the early victories of the Nazis and like Mussolini, Hitler awarded with a Concordant. After the defeat of the fascists the roman cult helped innumerable war criminals to escape to Spain and Latin American. ODESSA, Organisation der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen, meaning “Organization of Former SS Members had the help of the Vatican on many occasions. “Ratlines were a system of escape routes for Nazis and other fascists fleeing Europe at the end of World War II. These escape routes mainly led toward havens in South America, particularly Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, and Bolivia. Other destinations included the United States, Great Britain, Canada and the Middle East. There were two primary routes: the first went from Germany to Spain, then Argentina; the second from Germany to Rome to Genoa, then South America; the two routes “developed independently” but eventually came together to collaborate.”(2)

    In every Latin American country where they have influence the roman cult has backed ultraright and fascist groups to repress unions, radical and revolutionary students and our own communities.(1)

    The Catholic church and Pope Francis have been accused of a complicit silence and worse during the “dirty war” of murders and abductions carried out by the junta that ruled Argentina from 1976 to 1983.” (2)

    Religion is the enemy. Religion is humankind’s greatest tragedy.

    Religion always breeds right wing politics and often promotes fascism.

    It’s time to create laws and regulations that tax the cults, forbids them to have any affiliation with the rightwing and forbids them to interfere in civil and political under any circumstances.

    As for the roman cult it’s time to arrest both popes, the college of cardinals, bishops and archbishops as accessories to rape, child molestation and the murder of workers, students and radical youth.

    It’s time to appoint a Special Prosecutor attached to the World Court to arrest and prosecute them.

    It’s time to confiscate all the wealth of the roman cult to compensate their victims.

    It’s time to secularize their schools, colleges, medical and ‘charitable’ venues to
    prevent rape.

    It’s time to get real and get man.



  • FLL

    Frigide Barjot needn’t be so eager to threaten Hollande with spilled blood. She would do well to remember that in the French Revolution, the Mexican Revolution of 1910-1920 and the Mexican “Cristero War” of 1926-1929, the Catholic Church and its supporters were the losers, and their loss is enshrined in the modern French and Mexican constitutions. The Christianists in France and Mexico lost, and violently so, and they remain today distinctly in the minority in both countries. A word to the wise.

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