“We got him”- Boston Mayor Tom Menino

If you’re new to this story – you missed one heck of an evening. A massive manhunt began overnight after a police officer was murdered at MIT, during an evening that included a 7-11 robbery, a carjacking, a massive gun battle in a Boston suburb, that included explosives being lobbed at police, and finally confirmation from the Boston Chief of Police that one Boston Marathon bombing suspect (the older one, Suspect 1) was apprehended and is now dead (due to his injuries), and the second (the younger one, Suspect 2) is still at-large and being pursued by the FBI, the National Guard, and the Boston Police in a massive door-to-door manhunt in five Boston suburbs. All that happened from 11pm ET until dawn.

sub1_500xThen they shut down all of Boston for the day.  Then. at the end of the day, the police announced they were lifting the siege, they couldn’t find the suspect – only to find him hiding in a boat, and the siege was back. Finally at around 8:43pm ET, they got him.

9:16pm Crowds are gathered in Watertown, Massachusetts, alongside the roads, cheering for cops, EMS, and other emergency responders as they drive by:



8:43pm “You’ve got the recovered with no injury. He’s alive. In custody, asking for a medic.” 8:36pm

8:31pm I think this one is actually real, from Fox – not a joke:

  BIQRfT_CUAAPfcF 8:29pm This is a joke, but it’s funny:

It’s based on this clip, from the movie Good Will Hunting, which was based in Boston: 8:23pm


8:17pm Suspect covered in blood, per NBC. 8:00pm Cops moving in, launched assault on the boat. 7:54pm Police suspect he’s injured and been hiding in the boat much of the day. 7:53pm Media hearing more shots. 7:41pm

7:38pm Boston Globe:

7:35pm Supposedly this is the boat on Franklin Street in Watertown, you can see its form in the backyard, basically it’s a rowboat. by-default-2013-04-19-at-7.34.45-PM 7:31PM CBS reporting man in boat is alive. 7:25pm There’s a report of a boat in a backyard with a body in it. But it’s not confirmed. 7:23PM And the police have locked down Watertown again. 7:21pm He’s reportedly trapped in a boat. 7:11pm CNN is reporting that the police have Suspect #2 cornered, are firing tear gas, they say they can see him. If this is true, then my suspicions were right – that press conference an hour ago was a ruse. They were planning an assault and wanted to put him at ease. We’ll see.

7:00pm Shots fired. Sounded like automatic fire. Cops cars racing by, and ambulance racing by. Something happened. 6:49pm Czech ambassador to the US reminds Americans that the Czech Republic is not the same thing as Chechnya.  Seriously. czech-ambassador 6:10pm This is odd. They just held a press conference announcing that he hasn’t been found, but that they’re lifting the shelter-in-place order (basically, telling people to stay home), and public transit will re-open.

This feels odd to me. This feels like a strategic move to me, not giving up. Oh, they also said that the suspects did not rob a 7-11.  They just happened to be at the 7-11 when it got robbed.  Again, that’s a bit odd. 3:49pm Suspect #2 takes apparent jab at Fred “God hates f*gs” Phelps in Twitter account that Buzzfeed has confirmed appears to belong to Suspect #2.  The tweet appears, to me at least, to refer to Phelps’ penchant for protesting funerals, and his slogan “God hates f*gs” tagline. Even weirder, the tweet is dated April 15 at 11pm – that’s Monday night, after the bombing, that he was taking a stand against hate. Wow:

Okay, that’s just weird.3:43pm Boston-NYC Amtrak service shut down. Someone raised an interesting question on Twitter: If they don’t catch Suspect #2 today, when will they be re-opening Boston? 3:39pm Glenn Beck wants to impeach Obama over Boston Marathon bombing because Glenn Beck has finally jumped the shark, again

Beck is claiming that Saudi national, who law enforcement already ruled out as a suspect is a suspect. He then blamed the media for covering this up, and called for the impeachment of President Obama. Beck said, “When I found out yesterday, who that guy is and what we have on him, and how our media was rooting for an American to be the killer. And how our president, this administration, the Department of Homeland Security, and everything else. How they have covered this up. How they have aided and abetted this guy is obscene, and it’s criminal. It’s out of control, and when America knows the full story on this, if she doesn’t stand up, and quite honestly, I think demand impeachment and the mass firing if not shutting down of agencies, we don’t stand a chance.”

3:25pm More live views form the windows of Watertown, Mass.

2:57pm America’s favorite officially-designated hate group, the GOP-allied Family Research Council, has weighed in: The Sandy Hook Massacre and the Boston Marathon Bombing were caused by gay marriage… or something.

In the aftermath of horrible tragedies like Newtown, the government desperately wants to do something–even if that something is the wrong thing. There seems to be this notion, at least among liberals, that more laws will protect us–but as we all witnessed in Boston, that isn’t necessarily the case. The government can’t make us safer until it recognizes that the problem isn’t the instruments of violence–but the environment of it. Stronger background checks wouldn’t have prevented the deaths of three people at the finish line on Monday, any more than it would have stopped Floyd Corkins from walking into our lobby and shooting Leo Johnson. If Congress wants to stop these tragedies, then it has to address the government’s own hostility to the institution of the family and organizations that can address the real problem: the human heart. As I’ve said before, America doesn’t need gun control, it needs self-control. And a Congress that actively discourages it–through abortion, family breakdown, sexual liberalism, or religious hostility–is only compounding the problem.

And you wonder why they call you a “hate group”? 2:39pm The Onion – “Breaking: We’re doing a bad job2:33pm Lead GOP-aligned “family values” group says ban all Muslim immigrants:

2:24pm Chechnya’s president thinks America turned the guys into terrorists. Uh huh. 2:21pm US Capital security given photos of Suspect #2

2:19pm Ditto.


So according to American media, terror attacks bad for immigration reform, irrelevant for gun control. It is like the GOP won the election.

2:17pm Canadian aunt of suspects is not convinced of their guilt

She said she found the photos strange because the brothers were not walking next to each other. “Why wouldn’t they come together? Together as brothers. I’m suspicious this was staged, the picture was staged. By who? By whoever needs this, by whoever is looking for someone to blame.”

Um, cuz if they were about to blow up a thousand people perhaps they were playing it cool and avoiding each other?  Her larger point is fair – they did get it wrong going after the Atlanta Olympics bomber.   So as a family member, I could see her concern.  Still, this sounds a bit too much. 11:24am Suspects’ uncle asked what he thinks made them do this: “Being losers.”  He then adds, “we’re Muslims, we’re ethnic Chechens.”  Well, guess that debate is over.

Suspects’ dad in Russia is in denial

11:07am It’s his son, he’s far away, and he has Russian media to rely on – if you think ours has been bad of late…

Kittens that look like male models

11:01am Because sometime you simple need a break from the carnage.

Profile of the bomb suspects

10:50am Reportedly an excellent profile of the bomb suspect brothers. 10:47am UMass Dartmouth evacuating:


Boston is a ghost town




More from Business Insider.

AP backgrounder on Chechnya and terrorism – suspects are ethnic Chechens

10:23am AP has a detailed backgrounder on Chechnya and terrorism as Suspect 2’s connection with Chechnya might be part of what’s going on here.

Suspect 2’s uncle interviewed – he’s not pleased

10:14am Buzzfeed has video of CBS interviewing suspect 2’s uncle: ‘I’m associated with these bastards’

Photo of MIT Police Officer who died

10:01am Photo of the MIT police officer who died:


Yes, there is a Chechnya tie here

9:56am Wild photos from Watertown and surrounding communities – it’s a war zone. 9:43am While there are reports that the brothers are from Russia and not Chechnya, there is a Chechnya tie. His social media profile that I found points out at that he speaks “English, Russian and Chechen,” (it says the Chechen language IN CHECHEN, “Nohchiyn Mott”) and elsewhere on the page, under “groups,” it says “Chechens, All about Chechnya Chechen Republic.” The kid has ties to Chechnya. (Oh, and a friend of suspect 2 just said on CNN that “they’re from Chechnya.”) chechen 9:40am:


@BostonDotCom: MIT police officer killed in confrontation with terror suspects was Sean Collier, 26, of Somerville, per Middlesex DA


Suspect 1’s weird YouTube page

9:32am Dead Suspect #1’s creepy YouTube page:

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26 year-old brother of the second Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, had a YouTube page where he posted religious videos, including a video of Feiz Mohammad, a fundamentalist Australian Muslim preacher who rails against the evils of Harry Potter. Among those videos is one dedicated to the prophecy of the Black Banners of Khurasan which is embraced by Islamic extremists—particularly Al Qaeda. The videos posted on what appears to be Tsarnaev’s YouTube page may shed light on the motivations for the attack on the Boston Marathon. The prophecy states that an invincible army will come from the region of “Khurasan,” a large portion of territory in central Asia.

9:30am AP:  “Father of Boston bombing suspect says son is accomplished medical student and ‘a true angel’.” 9:26am WGRZ:

Police source: 2 Russian nationals pulled over in Niagara Falls; 4 suspicious backpacks in the car, robot & bomb techs on scene.


Boston has been shut down

9:05am Boston has been shut down.  Residents are all being asked to stay home.  And a no-fly zone has been put in place over the city.  The entire city is literally locked down. 8:47am More photos have been found of Suspect #1, who was killed overnight.  His name is Tsarnaev.  He came to the US in 2002 or 2003 from Russia, according to NBC.   The photos are copyrighted, so I won’t copy them, but check out some of the text – he’s a pretty devoute Muslim:

Tamerlan says he doesn’t usually take his shirt off so girls don’t get bad ideas: “I’m very religious.” Tamerlan says he doesn’t drink or smoke anymore: “God said no alcohol.” A muslim, he says: “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.” Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.” Tamerlan, 196 lbs, will represent New England in the heavyweight category at the National Golden Gloves competition in Salt Lake City, Utah. Tamerlan, who studies at Bunker Hill Community College in Boston and wants to become an engineer, took the semester off from school to train for the competition. Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee. If he wins enough fights there, Tamerlan says he could be selected for the US Olympic team and be naturalized American. Unless his native Chechnya becomes independent, Tamerlan says he would rather compete for the United States than for Russia.


More photos of Suspect 2

8:36pm FBI has just released another more recent photo of Suspect 2, Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev:


Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev

8:28pm I’ve found additional photos of what clearly seems to be Suspect 2 online, and one photo that is absolutely him (it had his name at the bottom): This first photo is him, his name was on it: suspect-2-2 These are two additional photos, associated with the photo above, and that clearly seem to show Suspect 2 as well: suspect-2-3 suspect-2-1 8:07pm Matt Ortega as found an arrest record for a woman, with the same last name as suspect 2, living at his same address, and who is around the age you’d expect his mother to be.  First, here’s the proof of Suspect 2’s address: tsarnev-437x585 Now here’s the arrest record of the woman at the same address:


Social media page of Suspect 2 provides insight

6:52am I found a social media page of the suspect – his worldview is “Islam” and he also lists an interest in Chechnya (I posted the google translation, it’s in Russian), also it’s the right birthday.  Okay this is even more interesting – this screen grab says he checked the site at 5:04am this morning via cell phone.  Then when I refreshed the page, it now says that he last checked it at 9:04pm last night. A friend figured it out – it’s a Russian site, it was initially showing the Russian time he checked in, 5:04am this morning in Moscow – which was 9:04pm last night in Boston.by-default-2013-04-19-at-6.51.37-AM 6:49am

BREAKING: AP: Surviving Boston bomb suspect identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass. -SS


SWAT teams go house to house in Watertown, Mass.

6:46am Pete Williams of NBC says the two suspects are brothers. 6:32am NBC: The suspects are thought to be legal permanent residents, been in the US for at least a year, possibly from Turkey, or Chechen refugees. 6:19am  Shawna England tweets the view from her house in Watertown – note the military-style SWAT teams: by-default-2013-04-19-at-6.18.58-AM 6:13am Harvard and MIT close classes out of security concerns, as massive manhunt is underway for second Boston Marathon bomber. 5:52am NBC summarizes: So, they tried to make a run for it after FBI showed their pics publicly. They rob a 7-11. Then kill a campus cop, shooting him in the head while he’s sitting in his hcar, then carjack an SUV, cops are chasing them to Watertown, during the chase the men are throwing explosives out the window.  They stop the car, Suspect 1 gets out wearing an IED strapped to his chest, he’s now dead. Suspect 2 takes off in the car. NBC’s Pete Williams says these two were already on a list of possible suspects, but the cops simply hadn’t gotten to them yet. 5:41am Boston’s transport authority has just shut down all service, at the request of the police. 5:36am New photo of suspect 2 taken last night: latest-pohoto-of-suspect-2 5:26am Igor Volsky reports that:

Suspect number 1 pronounced dead at 1:35 AM. Was in “traumatic arrest,” hospital spent 10-15 minutes trying to resuscitate.

5:01am The new theory is that the two Boston Marathon bombing suspects are both foreigners who came here to do this, and that the one still at large may not therefore be Sunil Tripathi, the missing Brown student (who is American, and thus the confusion over reports that both are foreigners).

“If it is who (authorities) strongly suspect it is they have both been here [in the US] for about a year”

4:57am Via Dylan Byers on Twitter:

NBC’s PETE WILLIAMS: “Authorities say these people came from overseas… had overseas military training… been here about a year.”


Boston PD confirms Suspect 1 is dead, Suspect 2 at large

4:16am It’s official. Boston’s Police commissioner Ed Davis has confirmed that Suspect 1 (black hat) is dead, Suspect 2 (younger guy, white hat, below) is at large. And that means, it’s official – this evening’s firefight at MIT was/is about the Boston Marathon bombing.

WANTED: Suspect2closeup




4:01am NBC saying police think they may have cornered suspect in a building, multiple motion sensors are going off. 3:58AM FOX is reporting that suspect 1 is dead. Again, this is all in flux. 3:42am ET The Boston Globe is saying that one suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing is captured, and a second is on the loose. But local ABC in Boston is saying that one is dead and one is on the loose.  So things are still clearly fluid. There is still a serious manhunt going on in the Boston area:

____ In a fascinating late-night development to a wild evening, the Boston Globe is reporting that one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects is in custody, and other media is reporting that the second is possible dead.

But they’re reporting, at 2am Friday morning, that one of the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing has been arrested.  Apparently, per the Globe, the firefight at MIT and Watertown, that we’ve been reporting on in detail, was in fact related to the Boston Marathon bombing. Wow. CBS is saying that the suspects may be MIT students. Again, after yesterday’s false reports of an arrest, take this with a grain of salt.  But the Globe is pretty definitive. Odd that at the same time the FBI issued two new photos of the suspect. Boston Marathon bombing suspect arrested

For earlier updates, look at our earlier post about the violence at MIT – this was the precursor to the manhunt for the Marathon bombing suspects, before we all realized that the violence at MIT and the Marathon bombing were related.


Follow me on Twitter: @aravosis | @americablog | @americabloggay | Facebook | Instagram | Google+ | LinkedIn. John Aravosis is the Executive Editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown; and has worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, the United Nations Development Programme, and as a stringer for the Economist. He is a frequent TV pundit, having appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, Hardball, World News Tonight, Nightline, AM Joy & Reliable Sources, among others. John lives in Washington, DC. .

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147 Responses to ““We got him”- Boston Mayor Tom Menino”

  1. annabilly says:

    I am really shocked at the Canadian Aunt of these two killers who denies that they did anything and asked to see proof. What shall we show her? The videos, the photos, the eyewitness reports, the maimed victims, the dead victims, the deceased policeman, the bombs they aimed at the police? Or should we take her to the hospital? One word, Idiot. How uncaring, how unfeeling, how shameful and how disgusting. Obviously, she left Russia for a better life, if she doesn’t like America or trust us, or think that a whole country is out to get two killers, she should leave and return to Russia.

  2. BeccaM says:

    I know what you mean. It’s dismaying to realize just how many Americans have given up entirely on the ideals of due process, rule of law, and the constitutional democratic-republic.

    We used to say these rights were inalienable and universal.

  3. ezpz says:

    That’s if he even gets a jury. He may end up before a military tribunal.
    The jury is out. Pardon the wordplay.

  4. FLL says:

    “Game of Thrones?” Dzhokhar’s favorite TV show is “Game of Thrones?!” That doesn’t sound very devoutly Muslim to me. Isn’t that the HBO series with the male-male love scenes between Loras and Renley? The older brother, Tamerlan, sounds like the only one who was devoutly religious.

  5. BeccaM says:

    If that’s all it was, perhaps. But that isn’t the case, is it? There is no doubt that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev knew what was in that backpack as he placed it right next to those people and their kids. No doubt that what he and his brother intended by designing their bombs the way they did was to inflict maximum bodily harm on dozens of people, if not hundreds. He had to know he was going to kill or permanently cripple all those people right there in front of him as he chose to put the bomb on the ground at their feet.

    No amount of idolization excuses the lack of simple human decency and morality that even a 19 year old should have, at least enough not to have participated in the massacre as an active perpetrator.

    I don’t care how much someone loves or idolizes another. Even if it was your own child and you knew they were going to explode a bomb, what would be your reaction or the reaction of any other decent human being? Every one of us would call the police. Sadly and feeling awful, but we’d do it. What almost none of us would do is strap on a backpack and, by all photographic evidence, appear to be happy and eager to lend assistance to the mayhem. (That one photo Nicho reposted is especially telling.)

    If the evidence is there to convict — and it certainly looks that way — then this ‘kid’ deserves to spend the rest of his natural life in prison, because he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is unfit to walk free among us.

  6. BeccaM says:

    Finding an impartial jury is certainly not going to be easy.

  7. BeccaM says:

    And torture. Let’s not forget that except for a few ignorant grunts, nobody responsible for the systematic torture that became S.O.P. after 9/11 has been prosecuted, much less convicted and imprisoned — as our laws are perfectly clear as saying should be the case.

    To take just one example (out of many possible): Waterboarding is torture. There is no debate about this. It just is. It’s cruel, intended to create atavistic terror in the prisoner, and like all torture methods, does not actually produce useful or accurate information. It is evil and wrong, under all circumstances. Allied forces executed Japanese officers who ordered American POWs to be tortured using this method. We considered it a very serious war crime. Yet the men and women responsible for American waterboarding torture after 9/11 walk free. All of them.

    And because we never did deal with it, we have a monster in custody whom other monsters — such as GOP leaders and hate-media pundits — are insisting be tortured. In case he has information, they say, but in reality it’s just so they can drink more karmic poison to slake their blackened souls’ thirst for blood. We’re not even talking vengeance in place of justice at this point, but pure distilled evil. They don’t even pretend to enlightened ideals anymore, just brutish hate.

    Or to put this all another way, if there’s a Mr. Spock in our distant future, ours is the one with the beard.

  8. pappyvet says:

    Exactly, Our justice system was just fine to handle people like Capone,Charles Manson,and Charles Metesky the “Mad Bomber” who terrorized New York for about 15 years from the ’40’s through the 50’s. We managed to convict Albert Fish who admitted to molesting over 400 children and tortured and killed several others. But now the wingers are more and more like a mob with torches. They have been given so much hate and frightening lies and propaganda that they fear their own country. And if you are not “one with the body of Landru” and agree with them,their own comments border the violent if not completely embrace it.

  9. MyrddinWilt says:

    I know the fact that Fort Knox is filled with more than enough gold to cover any imaginable short position the Fed might open in the yellow metal?

    I did not work for Orin Hatch. I do have a doctorate from Oxford. So hat puts me up 2:0 to Roberts since working for Hatch in any capacity counts negative when it comes to the chance he might be telling the truth.

    Seriously, you gold bugs should take a look at the charts back 40 years, inflation adjusted and then decide if you think gold is a good investment.

    Everyone who is following the news knows that Cyprus just dumped its entire national holdings of gold at the insistence of the Germans to get the bailout. That is why gold is slumping. Not because of some crazy Fed conspiracy theory.

    Cyprus isn’t short gold either, it is dumping actual gold onto the market far in excess of demand.

  10. MyrddinWilt says:

    That is precisely the frame I was thinking of. The Murdoch press will do its usual racist rant about Islamic terror but these guys don’t seem to have been politically involved. They just wanted the thrill of killing some people.

  11. karmanot says:

    Looking a bit farther into the future we can see the enormous power that could be brought against any citizen or citizens challenging the power of our rulers. Just think of the gun nuts, little militias and other teaparty morons who are due for a rude awakening.

  12. karmanot says:

    The Greeks of all people knew that tragedy was not noble. The little bastard killed a child, and ruined the lives of innocent people.

  13. karmanot says:

    “throwing out the whole US legal system and trying to create a new one has been an abject failure.” It’s finally happening: the Gitmo world of American justice unraveling 200+ years of jurisprudence. We let the suspension of Habeaus Corpus causally become normal and now all citizens may be subjected to the whim of tyranny.

  14. MyrddinWilt says:

    At spy school they teach what is known as ‘tradecraft’. How to blend into a crowd, How to avoid attracting suspicion. How to avoid being recognized. How to wear a disguise.

    They could have made matters so much harder for the police with some pretty rudimentary precautions. Like wearing the baseball cap forward rather than back, wearing sunglasses. Not being seen together.

  15. MyrddinWilt says:

    Looks to me like the guy could well end up walking out of jail. And the man responsible will be Lindsay Graham.

    Given the available evidence I see absolutely no reason to believe that a normal civilian trial cannot deal with the matter effectively and expeditiously.

    Instead we have already seen a departure into the alternative GOP/Fox News legal system. The one that has never actually delivered a result to date and will always be at risk of being found to be illegitimate and invalid at some point in the future.

    Take the stupid argument over reading the suspect his Miranda rights. Telling the suspect their rights really should not be controversial because there is really no advantage to not telling the suspect their rights and the disadvantage is that whoever becomes his defense lawyer is going to use the fact that he was not read his rights to throw out all witness statements made up to that point.

    The track record of George W. Bush’s fuckwit justice system is terrible. Zero cases are final ten years later and nobody expects things to be any different in ten years time. There might be a case to be made that terrorist cases should not be heard by jury trials due to the high risk of juror intimidation. But throwing out the whole US legal system and trying to create a new one has been an abject failure.

  16. ezpz says:

    I know. That picture was impactful. It evoked such intense anger and heart wrenching sadness. The emotions I felt were just overwhelming. I could never be a juror on that one.

  17. nicho says:

    It’s already a tragedy and I don’t give a sweet shit about “this kid.”

  18. Dave of the Jungle says:

    I was thinking here about what is most likely coming for the suspect; not about what my preference would be.

  19. TheOriginalLiz says:

    It would be such a tragedy if it turns out this kid ruined his life because he idolized his big brother.

  20. Indigo says:

    Just in time for a Friday evening at home with the television machine, nicely timed to coincide with supper and all tied up together before bedtime. Kinda makes me wonder who choreographed this unusual piece of made-in-America-for-television event.

  21. we’d need a lot of salt.

  22. AdmNaismith says:

    We didn’t even have to carpet bomb Watertown or send in drone aircraft and kill a lot of civilians (’cause the civilians in the houses around that boat were all in cahoots with this guy /sarcasm).

    I’m still not sure about turning an entire metro area into a ghost town, but no one else ended up dead trying to get the perpetrator.
    This is what a little good police work gets you.

  23. karmanot says:

    I found it! and repudiate my former Ludite allegiance.

  24. karmanot says:


  25. PeteWa says:

    perhaps he’ll have some half baked reason, it all seems unreal to me at this point.

  26. BeccaM says:

    I’m surprised myself. I’m extremely glad they took him alive. Now maybe we’ll get some answers.

  27. Naja pallida says:

    The tiny little arrow isn’t exactly screaming “Click me!” I was looking in the ‘Edit Settings’ area on the right. :)

  28. BeccaM says:

    I’d rather he spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison. Give him a half century or so to think about what he’s done, and to know every minute of every day that he is entirely responsible for putting himself there.

    I want him to spend each day remembering the faces of his victims, whom he’d be sure to see at his trial. To have to endure the sight next year — and in the years to come — of the Boston Marathon being held once again, despite his and his brother’s cowardly and monstrous crime.

    Moreover, 90% of the world manages to get by without the death penalty. The list of those nations that do have it, which includes the United States, are among the most backward and barbaric.


    The death penalty is vengeance. Not justice.

  29. pappyvet says:

    I was completely wrong,I was sure he was dead.

  30. Wow.

  31. Yeah seriously, I’m very interested in hearing what they find – wonder if we’ll find out before the trial

  32. Thank you :)

  33. karmanot says:

    M, check out this excellent article on the subject: http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/04/19/our-missing-left-opposition/

  34. karmanot says:

    We need to pour salt on him, maybe he’ll fade away.

  35. Carl Gorney says:


    Shove the son of a bitch into a jail cell for the rest of his natural life if and when this case goes to trial.

  36. karmanot says:

    Thank you!

  37. Absolutely fantastic coverage, John. Thanks.

  38. Naja pallida says:

    Thanks. :)

  39. Naja pallida says:

    Heh… thanks… didn’t even notice that.

  40. PeteWa says:

    switch disqus at the top to display newest.

  41. BeccaM says:

    I sort by Newest using the Disqus command bar at the top of the comment stream.

  42. PeteWa says:

    great coverage throughout, John.
    glad that he was captured alive, very curious as to what he might have to say.

  43. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Two Words: DEATH PENALTY

  44. Naja pallida says:

    Kinda wish that if they’re going to do constantly updating-timeline-style posts that they’d change the commenting system to go by time, instead of popularity. So newly relevant posts don’t vanish amid the clutter.

  45. BeccaM says:

    Eventually, perhaps. For now, MSNBC is reporting — and reliably it seems — that he’s in now in custody.

  46. BeccaM says:

    Seriously need a new post here… Takes forever to load at this point.

  47. nicho says:

    NH has roadside stands that sell guns, almost like sweet corn.

  48. Guest says:

    possibly New Hampshire–a lot of the guns on the black market in the Boston area are originally from NH

  49. impeached? Impounded. The man incites hatred. He’s a hazard.

  50. pappyvet says:

    Believe me, he’s dead

  51. nicho says:

    Which makes you wonder where and how they got the guns — since the older brother was well known to the FBI. They could drive 45 minutes to NH and buy them almost anywhere.

  52. Naja pallida says:

    Don’t need any “tradecraft” to know how to make a bomb. Especially one that the FBI has described. All you need is access to Google, and money for a trip to Wal-Mart for materials.

  53. Probably because that photo of him walking away would have shown him freaked out had he not expected bomb

  54. I saw this, but I don’t know if it’s real – would like to see some provenance on it

  55. MyrddinWilt says:

    We do have background checks in MA.

  56. MyrddinWilt says:

    Did he even know what was going on?

    I bet he did, but my be harder to prove.

  57. nicho says:

    Roberts is a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology and holds a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia. He was a post-graduate at the University of California, Berkeley and at Merton College, Oxford University.[3] His first scholarly article (Classica et Mediaevalia) was a reformulation of “The Pirenne Thesis.”

    In Alienation and the Soviet Economy (1971), Roberts explained the Soviet
    economy as the outcome of a struggle between inordinate aspirations and
    a refractory reality. He argued that the Soviet economy was not
    centrally planned, but that its institutions, such as material supply,
    reflected the original Marxist aspirations to establish a non-market mode of production. In Marx’s Theory of Exchange (1973), Roberts argued that Marx was an organizational theorist whose materialist conception of history ruled out good will as an effective force for change.

    From 1975 to 1978, Roberts served on the congressional staff. As economic counsel to Congressman Jack Kemp,[4] he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill (which became the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981). He played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy.[3] Due to his influential 1978 article on tax burden for Harper’s,[5] while economic counsel to Senator Orrin Hatch,[6] the Wall Street Journal editor Robert L. Bartley offered him an editorial slot. He wrote for the WSJ until 1980.[7] He was a senior fellow in political economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, then part of Georgetown University.[4]

    From early 1981 to January 1982, Roberts served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy. President Ronald Reagan and Treasury Secretary Donald Regan credited him with a major role in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981,
    and he was awarded the Treasury Department’s Meritorious Service Award
    for “outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States
    economic policy.”[3]

    Roberts resigned in January 1982 to become the first occupant of the William E. Simon Chair for Economic Policy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, then part of Georgetown University.[8] He held this position until 1993. He went on to write The Supply-Side Revolution (1984), in which he explained the reformulation of macroeconomic theory and policy which he had helped to develop.

    And your credentials, please.

  58. nicho says:

    Here’s a photo I haven’t seen before. Tsarnaev at the site of the blast — his backpack already on the ground — and located right behind the 8-year-old boy (standing on the fence) who was one of those murdered.


  59. BeccaM says:

    Ya done a good job, Hoss.

  60. This was definitely a busy week

  61. Does seem odd. Also looking at the photos of them, older bro was the trendy one, the pretty one – younger was more down home. Older was more devout, if you look at his quotes, younger believed in Islam, but didn’t seem as devout as older bro, judging by his profile I found, I agree it’s odd.

  62. MyrddinWilt says:

    The Fed making a ‘naked short’ on gold?

    The man is an ignorant baboon, sorry. All that gold in Fort Knox mostly belongs to the Federal reserve in one form or another. And the New York Fed has an even larger vault, most of which it owns.

    Anyone bleating on about the Fed shorting gold is just plain wrong. There is not enough liquidity in the gold market to buy up all the Fed gold reserves. It is about two years worth of production.

    And take a look at the ‘sources’ the guy uses – gold bug COIN dealers! Might as well ask Glenn Beck for an unbiased view.

  63. nicho says:

    Anheuser-Busch family heir renounces membership in NRA


    A Budweiser beer family heir has abruptly quit the NRA, providing a copy of his original, two-page letter to president David Keene to KSDK in St. Louis to explain his reasons. “I am simply unable to comprehend how assault weapons and large capacity magazines have a role in your vision,” wrote the 48-year-old Adolphus Busch IV, asking the organization to remove his name from membership rolls. Turns out that Busch, whose family no longer owns Budweiser, joined the NRA when he was a kid. “The NRA appears to have evolved into the lobby for gun and ammunition manufacturers rather than gun owners,” he wrote in the letter, which was delivered to the organization yesterday.

  64. FLL says:

    Comparing the tweets from the 19-year-old brother (the one still alive) with the jihadi stuff on the YouTube page belonging to the 26-year-old brother (the dead one) is getting very strange. The tweets from the younger brother include the anti-Phelps one and the one where he told people to “stay safe.” Was the younger brother just along for the ride? Could he have looked up to his older brother that much?

  65. MyrddinWilt says:

    It really makes no sense at all. The two guys seem to have had no clue about tradecraft beyond how to make a bomb. There is no connection between the target of the attack and the purported motive.

    I did suggest a serial killer as a possible motive simply because the attack didn’t fit the pattern of any majort terrorist group. Starting to look that way. Serial killers are almost always loners but there is one exception – relatives/lovers.

    Of course the reason that major terrorist groups don’t act this way is that if they did they would only last one attack.

  66. Mark_in_MN says:

    So this lockdown of a major U.S. city and quite a number of it’s suburbs while they conduct a manhunt that looks a heck of a lot like a urban military operation than police activity (complete with armored vehicles, fatigues, military weaponry, etc.), why shouldn’t I conclude that they police are now desperate and have no idea where to look for this suspect?

    I can’t find the lock down of an entire city and the shutdown of public transit, etc. an appropriate and acceptable tactic. And it also seems ironic that one of the biggest factors in the start of the American revolution was military occupation of Boston, and now….

  67. karmanot says:

    It is stomach turning and creepy to even regard Jabba the Hut’s spawn grub.

  68. karmanot says:

    It’s characteristic of historical cycles speculating in gold/ silver related to sovereign nation’s currency.

  69. dula says:

    She’s comical though. When asked if her niece would like to speak, she dismissively said, “Her English isn’t very good? What could she say?”

  70. karmanot says:

    Mad cow disease

  71. karmanot says:

    So it would appear. Tony Perkin’s preternatural youth is beginning to crack and wither. Maybe he’s lost his source of innocent infant blood.

  72. karmanot says:

    Oh, M, you’ve got your self in a bunch over this. But, I sympathize about the Dr. terms. For example some of us are actual doctors, having earner those degrees with years of intense graduate school, while others like, say Marcus Bachmann, buy their fly-by-night doctorates on line with virtually no effort what so ever and worse are allowed to ‘practice.’ I think Nicho’s comment is entirely valid.

  73. nicho says:

    It’s one thing to be in denial. It’s another thing to be an aggressive douchebag about it.

  74. karmanot says:

    To quote one commenter: “An empty barrel makes the loudest noise.”

  75. karmanot says:

    Roger that!!

  76. perljammer says:

    A ploy, you say? Nope, just the government of Cyprus mucking up the market.

    “… the Cyprus gold sale proposal opened the floodgates to the biggest drop
    in gold prices internationally in 30 years, and most experts failed to
    see the collapse coming.”


  77. Rob says:

    Re your 3:39 pm entry: Glenn Beck needs to be impeached, pronto. Very sad today.

  78. BeccaM says:

    Indeed, seriously good. I’m hoping you’ll draw enough page views to keep this here establishment of yours up and running.

  79. cole3244 says:

    if these two rhodes scholars can shut down a city like boston what happens if a real experienced cell of terrorists decides to attempt an attack.

  80. BeccaM says:

    Thanks dear. And I suppose it could be.

    More and more I’m thinking these two will end up being a variant of Klebold and Harris (Littleton CO, Columbine HS). A little older, of course, but committing the massacre merely for a sick thrill and media fame. I still think the lack of any kind of posted manifesto or message called in to some TV station suggests that there really wasn’t any ideology at work here, but just a couple of sociopathic monsters.

  81. BeccaM says:

    Re: Glenn Beck — Yeah, because the best way to ensure the perpetrators are caught and jailed would be to fire all the men and women who’d actually do it.

    Yeesh, what a tin-foil hatted maroon.

  82. Thanks, guys!

  83. :) I got some blowback for that too. It’s in the next post, the one about the photo, but seemed weird trumpeting it, but thanks :)

  84. Thank you ;)

  85. BeccaM says:

    Wait a second. I just realized the two hate groups just contradicted each other. The FRC blames “hostility” toward religion, among their several reasons for Sandy Hook and the Boston bombings, whereas AFA’s Bryan Fischer is calling for a ban on all Muslim immigrants.

    (And actually, given a much stronger background check system, the man cited in the FRC shooting, Floyd Corkins, might very well have failed to pass it. Reason: Under treatment and taking medication for severe depression.)

    In any case, it’s hilarious, their thinking that all we need to stop terrorism and gun violence is to outlaw homosexuality and force women to stay pregnant no matter what, even if the pregnancy will kill us. And I guess something to force people to be religious. (2nd Amendment = sacred. 1st Amendment = not so much.)

    I know — the FRC really means only CERTAIN religions. I can’t imagine they’d be in favor of gov’t tolerance for practitioners of Wicca…

  86. karmanot says:

    Maybe he was ashamed of his man boobs.

  87. PeteWa says:

    plus they were ID’d by one of the victims.

  88. Randy Riddle says:

    In all fairness to Glenn Beck, he hasn’t been able to see the latest news on Boston and the actual suspect at large due to the glare of the gold bars sitting around his office.

    And the Family Research Council hasn’t had their anti-delusionary medications refilled in a couple of decades.

  89. karmanot says:

    If ya make em outta copper foil ya get more vibs.

  90. karmanot says:

    I don’t trust anyone under 65 anymore except for you and a few others here. “what in their history radicalized them to this extent?” It is extremely unsetting, but not implausible to understand that America herself radicalized them

  91. BeccaM says:

    Pretty clear she’s in major denial.

  92. karmanot says:

    ‘Society of the Spectacle’ — Guy Debord

  93. karmanot says:

    Or ordained in a Nevada single wide trailer theological seminary of the five wounds risen Christ.

  94. karmanot says:

    Read Paul Craig Roberts on a regular basis. His long term analysis is sobering.

  95. What a fatuous statement! Anyone can call himself a doctor for that matter as a “cover”–plenty have–yet that does not invalidate the concept of being a doctor.

    What it takes to call oneself a Muslim is actually rather simply and clearly defined, requiring only the affirmation of a short oath in the presence of witnesses. In a way it’s far more clear a definition than what it required to (say) call oneself a conservative. What I think you’re doing, without meaning to I hope, is use “Muslim” (or “Christian”) in that vaguer sense of referring to a particular temperament or mode of behavior that is supposed to come along with the core beliefs. It’s a bit like implying that being a doctor means caring for patients and healing the sick when in fact, strictly defined, being a doctor means merely having completed a number of years of education and training. Hate all your patients and never heal a soul? Still a doctor (until you’re excommunicated, so to speak.)

  96. karmanot says:

    It won’t work. It’s just a ploy. The dollar is going to tank after the big boys liquidate the short rally.

  97. karmanot says:

    Excellent journalism John!

  98. nicho says:

    BTW — the Canadian aunt is a douche. Show me the proof. Well, they walked into the bomb scene with backpacks, stayed around for the blast, and calmly walked out without the backpacks. They shot a cop in the head in cold blood, threw grenades at the police who were pursuing them (after all, who doesn’t keep a few grenades in the glove box), and the one who was killed was wearing an explosive vest. And his brother ran over his body to get away. Apparently, just a couple of good kids out for a night on the town, Auntie Douchebag.

  99. pappyvet says:

    So sexual liberalism caused it all eh. Seems that I recall that the older brother was so repressed that he wouldn’t take his shirt off in front of girls.This and other statements he made would lead one to believe that the opposite is true.

  100. nicho says:

    I’m sure they’re already learning a lot from his house, computer, emails, cell phone records etc. Probably a lot more than they’ll get from questioning him.

  101. pappyvet says:

    Yep,the repugnantkins are going to be slapping their bellies all over this

  102. yeah great job, i’ve been coming here as a one-stop shop for solid info.

  103. HolyMoly says:

    It might mean that they aren’t part of any sort of pro-Chechen organization, since like you stated there really is nothing to be gained by it.

    I speculated last night that they might be part of a domestic group of some sort, but I was definitely wrong about that! In a sense I guess they were “domestic,” since they both had citizenship, but that wasn’t the kind of domestic I was thinking about.

    I hope they capture this guy alive so we can get some answers.

  104. nicho says:

    We had a guy in our neighborhood who said he was a Christian preacher. Wandered around wearing clerical garb and presenting himself as a Reverend. He said he had been baptized and ordained by a rodeo clown (seriously).

  105. nicho says:

    There’s a guy out on the street pushing a shopping cart and yelling at clouds. I’ll ask him what he thinks. Just about as reliable as old Ron.

  106. j.p.melle says:

    Or call themselves a Christian or a Muslim and use that to convince other people what they want them to do…

  107. Naja pallida says:

    According to Ron Paul, it’s just “market fluctuations, nothing to see here. Move along.”

  108. BeccaM says:

    I began following this story late last night, staying up long past my already ridiculously late bedtime…and I still can’t get over the fact it’s a couple of Chechen kids. (Sorry, from the perspective of my age of 50, anybody under the age of 25 is still a ‘kid’.)

    I guess the next big questions will be “why?” And what in their history radicalized them to this extent?

  109. FLL says:

    Fascinating article. Good catch on your part.

  110. Indigo says:

    We resist labels. I’m not sure what the socio-linguisitics of that tendency might be but we resist labels. Partly, it’s because we’re smarter than labels and partly because things in general seem to shift around more than they did a decade or so in the past. Or so it seems.

    Labeling is not what we do these days, for example: Visiting with a friend at the gym recently, I excused myself to go swim my designated laps. He commented that he didn’t know I was a swimmer. I laughed and said I wouldn’t put that fine a point on it, I just swim sometimes. For the past 60 years. So, yes, in other times, I would have said I’m a swimmer but nowadaze . . . we’re all in a daze. Words are not as firmly defined as Webster would have it. :-)

  111. nicho says:

    At least with Mormons, you have to go to the temple and get the magic underpants. Anyone can call themselves a Christian or a Muslim and use that as cover for anything they want to do.

  112. nicho says:

    Paul Craig Roberts seems to think it has.


    The Fed’s Assault On Gold: “Short Selling” and the Rigging of the Gold Market

  113. nicho says:

    Well, he’s got something to tell his friends. “I was naked on CNN.” And thanks to CNN for pixellating him out. We were in the middle of cop killing, urban shootouts, bomb throwing, entire cities locked down, helicopter gunships, etc. God forbid we see a shot of a naked bum.

  114. FLL says:

    Wouldn’t surprise me.

  115. FLL says:

    [À la Homer Simpson] D’oh! You’ll drive up the price of aluminum foil if you keep saying that, with all the tin foil hats people will be making.

  116. Dave of the Jungle says:

    Dude, they’re Romulans.

  117. ezpz says:

    Thanks. Again, they look like different people.

  118. ezpz says:

    Am I the only one who thinks the “mugshot” they keep showing of the younger brother looks nothing like the pictures of “suspect number 2” that were released yesterday?

  119. ezpz says:

    I heard he was released, but who knows anything for sure?

  120. Kimo says:

    Johnny, I have to throw you some roses… You are really an amazing journalist and your insight and level of analysis is remarkable. If I want to know what is going on, I come to ABlog. I find your humility to be commendable, but I wish you would repost your analysis of the photos that were posted by the FBI yesterday… when you said you didn’t think that that the suspects looked American… spot freaking on. Any other journalist would be screaming to the mountain tops about that prediction. I do not post here anymore, but I still love to come by and see what you and GP have to say. Thank you for your contribution to mankind.

  121. Crazy. It’s not clear to me how bombing the Boston Marathon is supposed to have advanced the cause of Chechen independence or any other cause, and who’s to say there was ever any “cause” in the first place? A couple of college kids planting a couple of crude bombs in an instantly detectable manner, following it up with robbing a convenience store (just in case everyone didn’t yet recognize your face), stealing a car–this isn’t terrorism, this is a shabby, murderous little spree. Might as well look for the deeper motivations of Charles Starkweather.

  122. pappyvet says:

    I dont believe that it will be too long before they catch this young fool. Personally,I hope they take him alive. There are a thousand questions i would like answered

  123. nicho says:

    And all along, I thought it was the Raelians who created it. Go figure.

  124. No more so than other ideological labels. What does “conservative” even mean any more, or “liberal” for that matter? All such terms have become nebulous and connote different things to different audiences.

  125. nicho says:

    What happened to the naked guy they arrested last night? He didn’t look to be hurt and definitely not at death’s door.

  126. nicho says:

    Or the US govt deliberately depressing the price of gold to make the dollar more attractive.

  127. Alexander The Great says:

    You are aware the CIA created “Al Qaeda” right ? They don’t exist.

  128. Indigo says:

    Obviously. But the search for what is “true” Islam is at least as illusive as the task of recognizing “true” Christianity. All in all, religion-labels are misleading at best. A mere will o the wisp.

  129. Drew2u says:

    not necessarily. It sounds like it the bubble starting to burst, or at least a run on gold with a bunch of people selling. That does not preclude the dollar going up as both gold prices and the dollar can be lowering at the same time.

  130. j.p.melle says:

    To be clear, this is not Islam you are seeing.

  131. J.P. Melle says:

    You’re doing a hell of a job with this coverage John, I’ve been and will keep coming here first. Thank you.

  132. So now we have to confirm that these are definitely the guys which should be easy to do…but then why? and are they part of a larger operation…

  133. FLL says:

    If gold prices go down, is that equivalent to the U.S. dollar going up?

  134. Drew2u says:

    Meanwhile CISPA passed the house and Gold prices PLUMMETED.

  135. FLL says:

    These two may be lone wolves or not. In any case, there have been reports that one reason al Qaeda has concentrated on recruiting Chechens of late is because they are lighter skinned, and, therefore, al Qaeda believes that Chechens can blend more easily into the American population. But these two may not be part of any group at all. The original Hindu-sounding names were obviously inaccurate or aliases. “Dzhokhar Tsarnaev” is much more typical of Chechnya.

  136. jennrubenstein says:

    time inconsistency maybe due to time zone adjustment?

  137. Indigo says:

    Oh foolish youth! Whatever they thought they were accomplishing, it wasn’t worth the trouble they brought on themselves.

  138. Indigo says:

    The more I see of Islam, the less I think I have any idea what that world view is.

  139. flowerchld says:

    “Career & money” doesn’t exactly sound like an “Islam” world view.

  140. nicho says:

    Holy crap. Boston PD identifying one of the suspects as Sunil Tripathi. A Brown Univ. student by that name went missing in March, leading to a huge search.

  141. MyrddinWilt says:

    I have been to the Stata building many times, I used to work in its predecessor.

    I don’t doubt that there is a link between the shooting and the bombs. If the perpetrators were MIT students then they would be ID’d very quickly.

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