Cops running out of bullets because gun nuts have bought them all

It seems that so many gun nuts are buying up ammunition, in the fear that President Obama will take away their precious guns, that there’s now an ammo shortage in our country that’s directly affecting police departments.

Things are so bad that even Walmart has been rationing ammo sales since January

Here’s AP on the nationwide spike in sales and the effect its had on nationwide stockpiles:

Now for some specifics.  Take the town of Jenks, Oklahoma.  The Jenks Police Department says they can’t get the guns or ammo they need because prices have skyrocketed and supplies have dwindled, in part thanks to gun-nut-landia buying everything in stock:

“Most police departments are having a very difficult time even getting the necessary ammunition for handguns, shotguns and especially rifles,” Arthur said. “With the delay in ammunition, some departments are limiting the number of rounds they carry in their handgun because of the shortage of ammunition. We get to the point where it is difficult to have enough ammo to train and also equip the officers.”

Or Greer, South Carolina.  They’re running out of bullets, and they don’t even have the ammunition they need to train officers:

Police departments in Michigan and Indiana are seeing similar shortages:

While the shortage is affecting business for local gun shops, Rupert says several police departments are getting desperate.
“Right now, we see a lot of smaller police departments that have resorted to paying retail prices for ammunition, because they cannot get it through their suppliers,” said Rupert.

In Bozeman, Montana, the cops are finding that there’s no one they can order ammo from, everyone is so out of stock.  And the manufacturers can’t even tell them when there will be more supplies.

Or Shelbyville, Tennessee, where they claim not to have an ammo shortage, but there are still massive delays in getting new shipments because of the nationwide gun-nut panic.


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Alex Seitz-Wald at Salon says the NRA is to blame, and he’s not far from the truth.  Alex notes two particular peaks in gun and ammo sales.  First, after Obama’s election in 2008 (there was also a run on bullets in 2009 as, for whatever reason, gun nuts again feared massive imminent gun control), and second, after the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre this past December.

The NRA is in the business of selling guns, figuratively and literally, to the American people.  They’ve got a vested interest in keeping their paranoid membership, well, paranoid.  Paranoia helps keep membership up, and helps fuel gun and ammo sales.  And what’s good for Big Gun is good for the NRA.

It’s why the NRA has been warning gun nuts of a coming Zombie Apocalypse for a while now.  Here’s NRA chief Wayne LaPierre in a recent op ed, explaining why private citizens need to stockpile guns and ammo:

Meanwhile, President Obama is leading this country to financial ruin, borrowing over a trillion dollars a year for phony “stimulus” spending and other payoffs for his political cronies. Nobody knows if or when the fiscal collapse will come, but if the country is broke, there likely won’t be enough money to pay for police protection. And the American people know it.

Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face—not just maybe. It’s not paranoia to buy a gun. It’s survival. It’s responsible behavior, and it’s time we encourage law-abiding Americans to do just that.

These people are crazy.

What’s the answer?  Jon Green wrote about it right after Sandy Hook – we ought to be taxing the hell out of bullets t0 make it prohibitively expensive for any American to have more than what is needed for self-defense.  Period.

CyberDisobedience on Substack | @aravosis | Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn. John Aravosis is the Executive Editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown; and has worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, the United Nations Development Programme, and as a stringer for the Economist. He is a frequent TV pundit, having appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, Hardball, World News Tonight, Nightline, AM Joy & Reliable Sources, among others. John lives in Washington, DC. .

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150 Responses to “Cops running out of bullets because gun nuts have bought them all”

  1. John Doe says:

    Thats funny your right about that Goon. all they can do is BITCH BITCH BITCH just like a bunch of chickens .

  2. toneacus says:

    Amen to that. Most people don’t understand how much danger they are in, not from criminals, but over zealous cops with not much grey matter between their ears. Cowards, I’ve only been struck by cops after the cuffs were on. That’s true. I have no record at all, The last time I was pulled over I told the cop to ” protect and serve” That really pissed him off. One thing led to another. He arrested me for abusive attitude and slammed my face on the top of the car after the cuffs were on. The cop said I tackled him with cuffs on and slipped and did the damage to my face.

  3. Dave says:

    Garbage that is obviously COMPLETELY biased! Departments are running out of ammo cause “gun nuts” are buying them all??? Maybe because you precious Obama’s departments are buying 1.2 billion ammos!?!?!? Get your facts straight! Not sure how ammo is on a shortage when I’ve bought plenty without any trouble! Liberal bias…..gotta love it…

  4. Jumping Jack Flash says:

    I hope you planted a garden for yourself. You sure got a lot of manure here…

  5. Angela Monger says:

    Wow, the nuts are out in full force.

  6. Wayne Rosenberg says:

    Good rather have ammo stockpiled in the homes of “gun nuts” than in the weapons of murderous cops

  7. Yuman says:

    I think this article is like so many – ‘written from a desk’ – NO LEG work put forth – I just completed a two month 8000 mile trip around the southwest, southeast, south, and mid-west Guns are plentiful and facilities which want to sell ammo have all calibers available – it wont come to you sitting behind a desk

  8. BurntLama says:

    Without any sources or references I’m just going to assume all of this is made up based on wild rumors. Which it probably is. Anyone who has any trouble finding ammo is either not looking or totally a moron. Seriously I bought 1000rds of 5.56 65 grain FMJ BC for $400 just last week. Granted its remanufactured but it proves that if you’re willing to take the time and look hard enough you can find all the ammo you want, at the price you want.

  9. phorty says:

    For those of us who have a hard time finding ammo in stock cause DHS or hoarders got it all, check out or gunbot. They scrape a ton of ammo resellers and list hourly whats in stock.

  10. Captain America says:

    When it comes to spreading propaganda the leftist commies will let any idiot publish whatever kind of nonsense their imagination can come up with. This idiocy is leftist commie bullshit disinformation attempting to spread filthy libtard stupidity throughout the population.

  11. kirkaloan says:

    One man’s opinion. And an ignorant man at that. Why is this garbage published?

  12. O-O says:

    I don’t even own a gun and I know more facts about the ammunition than the writer.

  13. beserker007 says:

    Why not ask the government to give back some of the insane amount of ammo they recently purchased. Too the a- wipe who keeps using the word (gun nuts) you sir are showing me that that you are either an ignorant fool or a protectopr of the status quo profiting by the fleecing of America. Well we could simple start to import more ammo from say (russia) or other places. To think that you now have to show an id to buy a box of ammo? There are those who realy think this is for the good? I am sure homeland security has a 20 year supply. Why is no one calling them the (nuts)

  14. Flyingguns says:

    The writer is so stupid that is that its embarrassing that he is even thought about writing this. What Wayne LaPierre said can happen. When Police Depts all over run out of money to pay their LEOs, those LEOs will quit and go back to their families.

  15. Ronald Peterson says:

    I guess the fact that the government has bought up 2.3 billion rounds and has placed orders for another 1.8 billion doesn’t enter into the equation ! and just for the record….that’s enough ammo to shoot every man , woman , and child in the U.S. over 25 times. and remember , this isn’t even going to the army !!!!

  16. Comet says:

    This article writer is into fiction? What BS, The govt bought up all the ammo.

  17. Bob Wyman says:

    No, the gun-nuts do not exist but free Americans who want to stay free do exist. Yes, we have the Right to defend ourselves. Name calling is the best you anti-Second Amendment twits can do. You cannot make one single valid argument to ban or limit firearms. Not a single one. Try me anytime you want to debate. ANY TIME YOU WANT.
    Exactly who is qualified to take the law into their own hands? When you are in trouble and afraid for your life who do you call? The police! Why? They have firearms is why. They may show up in time but the odds are they won’t and you will be injured or dead, or your kids will be hurt or dead. This will be because you are too afraid to defend their Right to live and protect them. Proud of yourself now?

  18. Bob Wyman says:

    Cops do not have to protect anyone. They only enforce laws. “Protect and Serve” was just a empty motto and you surely do not see it anymore. A .357 magnum bullet arrives in a split second to stop a perpetrator of crime. Cops arrive in 20 minutes. The choice is yours.

  19. Bob Wyman says:

    Walmart employees are liars. I have caught them in lie after lie time and time again. I see no lines or police escorts but I would venture a guess that undercover cops are working sporting goods counters. Contact me if you want some details on what I have seen and been subjected to…

  20. Bob Wyman says:

    The only nut is the writer of this piece of garbage article. This is a problem with the Internet: All these web sites can look legit but start to read them and it is obvious that it amateurs at their worse. No facts, no proof, no pictures just a rant by an anti-Second Amendment liberal who should be concerned that history does not repeat itself. Hunter Thompson hung out with the Hells Angels for a year to get a story. Many reporters go to war zones but this character, John Aravosis looks out his window or at the TV for his news.
    I have not yet seen but have looked for these long lines of hoarders I keep hearing about. They are not there and how could they be? There is nothing to buy so there is nothing to hoard. But look at and you will find ammo, lots of it, over-priced to be sure. Don’t buy it but bid on as much as you want until you are the winner. Just do not pay for it. You will be banned from the site after a while but it fouls up the greedy and I had hoped I would be sued so I could face the seller and find out who these people really are but, alas not to be. Private and pawn shop sellers are just as bad. A Remington Nylon 66 .22lr used for $400.00! Get real. They say “Its rare”. No, it is not. The only thing that is rare are honest, brave and proud Americans.
    Screw this author and I use “author” very loosely…

  21. libs are dicksuckers says:

    i’ve sat in on a phone call with a gun manufacturer at a local gun shop, because i was looking for .22lr, they offered to sell it to the owner for 2 cents a round, per case, 1 cent a round if he purchasedmore than 20 cases, but proceded to say he would be on backorder for 3 months due to high demand, they have it for their standard prices, something else it obviously happening

  22. kk says:

    Did you do any research? Ask the stores why they don’t have ammo to sell. Ask the manufacturers why they are back-logged. Ask DHS why they need an army when we already have police, FBI, CIA, and reservists on-call to support the police. Ask! Stop spreading false information!

  23. ram0n1 says:

    Gun nuts? You mean average Americans can’t buy bullets because Homeland Security has them all.

    —1.6 billion rounds of ammunition purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government’s second largest criminal investigative agency.

    ICE’s ammunition requests in the last year included:

    –450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition

    –40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds

    –176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract

    –25,000 blank rounds

    — Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets.

  24. Mike says:

    Can I call tthe writer of this a retard?May I call a handicapped person a gimp? How about calling a black person the N word?
    Then why is it us gun owners are called gun nuts? I do not kiss my pistol or shoot school children.Oh and heres one for you,I have monitored shipments of ammo and suppliers are getting no where near the usual order. IT is always shorted.
    Heres another one for you. Cops don,t want bullets. They want Cartridges! A cartridge is comprised of a casing,a primer,gun powder,and a bullet.The bullet being the part propelled out of the barrell.
    So Feinstein JR. you are full of it. It shows how much investigation goes into your articles.
    Oh and by the way,us gun nuts have been melting wheel weight down,casting and pressing cartridges for our police departments.Drink some more obama kool aid dip sheet.

  25. Guest says:

    Not true Vic. The police in my area are buying ammo in bulk. Walmart associates told me they come in groups and buy it because Walmart limited the ammo to 3 boxes per person. The interesting part is why are the police buying retail AND why is it they always seem to get there shortly after the trucks arrive while normal citizens have no idea when it comes in. Another interesting part, is this why the police have been escorting Walmart trucks recently? Several police, sheriff, and highway patrol have been seen escorting Walmart trucks to their stores in my state. Coincidence? I think not.

  26. Guest says:

    This is a lie. In my area the police are buying all the ammo that citizens can’t get the ammunition. The cops are getting to walmart shortly after they get it in on the truck and buy it all up. I know this because a couple of associates at walmart said the police come in and buy ammo in bulk. It is NOT the “gun nuts” buying all the ammo. The police are buying large quantities, not counting the federal government ordered a huge amount of ammo.

  27. Roger Marshar says:

    Civilians AND local Law enforcement with out ammo? Thats just what they want…….

  28. bob says:

    That’s a load of crap! The Department of Homeland Security is the reason guns and ammo are scarce. They are buying them all up, in anticipation of the upcoming civil unrest, caused by them buying all the damn ammo and guns. Talk about catch 22. For the record, guns don’t kill people, stupid people kill people. Removing guns wont’ remove violence. Wake up people!!!!! They wan’t you unarmed!

  29. Al says:

    Gun nuts buying up the ammo? You got that right. It’s the department of homeland security that’s buying up ammo faster than it can be made and they are the biggest gun nuts on the planet.

  30. lee says:

    Maybe the police dept should ask the DHS for some of there 1.6 billion rounds of ammo or the dept of social security or the dept of education. Why do of the wall federal dept have ammo and guns. If you don’t like it move to Obama’s birth place, Africa. MMMM

  31. Bob says:

    If you don’t like our country and its rights including the second amendment, feel free to leave. Noone is keeping you in the “gun nut” country. Passports are still available and plane tickets, I’ll buy one for you.

  32. Bob says:

    Go fuck yourself

  33. dtruck says:

    “The average police response time to a 911 call in….”
    Near me, in Detroit, it is over 2 hours.

  34. actually, police departments are struggling thanks to Obama and the department of homeland security.

  35. if department of homeland security hadn’t bought more than they needed there wouldn’t be a problem………….thank the president

  36. Jake Dunn says:

    Aravosis, you nitwit, do you even know what a bullet is?

    And who are the nuts – people who buy boxes of 50 or the DHS that buys tens of millions for no obvious reason?

    The government is obviously engaged in subversion of public enterprise and security. The people perpetrating this should be charged under the waste, fraud, and abuse clause.

  37. WASP says:

    feds can’t take our guns, so they buy up all the ammo. this is my america, i demand, as a legal gun owner, law abiding citizen, ammo for my familys’ protection. I guess for you obama supporters it’s spelled A.M.E.R.I.K.A.

  38. Who Cares? says:

    Aren’t we in a fiscal crisis?Where did the money come from for DHS to buy all the ammo?Probably would have paid for one or two (or 5k) air traffic controllers.

  39. Dumb Ass Gun Nut says:

    No, not gun nuts, DHS our own dept of homeland security has bought up 1.6 billion rounds enough to sustain a 20 year full fledged war

  40. When the police organizations go to the manufacturers to order ammo, and get turned away, how is that due to “gun nuts” buying up the ammo? SOMEONE has ammo, but it is not the dealers I am used to buying from. I don’t know anyone that is stockpiling because they can’t even find it to stockpile. And those that do somehow have it and are charging triple the normal price, I will remember….

  41. Ron Morris says:

    Who is doing the raffel, I want to enter…….

  42. Zarf says:

    Cops aren’t limiting the amount they carry, that’s just ignorant… they still have the same amount of ammo on them and in their magazines, cut backs will come in the way of training ammunition and ammo used in civilian programs for the departments that have them, not in the ammo carried for them to actually do their job.

  43. Matthew says:

    Thank you for that :)

  44. Matthew says:

    Bullets are just as important to the citizen as they are to the police. Police have superior weapon training (when compared to civilian training) so they need less rounds to finish a criminal. Citizens are the ones at the scene of the crime at that moment. Cops get there once the carnage is over. So bullets are important for all civilians to have just as they are to the police.

    In other news, Leftist media continues to undermine the ideals of gun-owning law-abiding citizens and continue to push for eradication of weapons, all while kissing Obama’s ass.

  45. Vic Gregg says:

    Um…. I’m reasonably certain that police and sheriff departments don’t buy their ammunition retail. Your story is relevant how? And your source, it’s the same AP that outlawed the work ILLEGAL as in illegal alien? Riggghhhhttttt.

  46. Breethwithme says:

    I’ve been robed at gun point before I can say this never again. You can’t rely on cops to protect you they show up after the crime has taken place. Like the saying goes when seconds count the cops are just minutes away. Guns are not the problem they are the solution. Without guns there is knives and the list will go down to where people are gonna use cars to kill people.

  47. plugger says:

    It’s always the “gun nuts” that couse the problems huh? What about the Social Security Admin buying hundreds of thousands of .40 cal hollow points? That’s one of the main cartridges police forces use. Or maybe the Dept of Homeland Security buying….1.4 million…or was it billion rounds of 5.56? And another purchase order for “various” ammunition by the DHS including .357 magnum? The last time .357 mag was an issued weapon to a public servant was probably back in the late 80’s to Barney just before he retired. Do some more homework before you shoot your opinion at everyone. It sure is comforting that the Social Sec. Admin. is well enough armed to fend off grandma and grandpa.

  48. Goon says:

    The guy who wrote this article is a brainwashed gun control mouth foamer. He probaly got mugged once and now he wants everyone else to be a victim too. Misery loves company. What a mindless fnatic.

  49. I cant believe there are really people like this. I have listened to CNN and thought those fools were few and far between. But after accidentally finding this little blog I realize the mental disease of liberalism is much more widespread than feared.

  50. TuxedoCartman says:

    Touche, good sir… touche. Of course, I feel like that’s saying we need the Crips to protect us from the Bloods, or the Mafia to protect us from the Yakuza. Actually, I’d hate to see a Venn diagram showing overlap between “law enforcement” and “white supremacist gun nut assholes”; might have difficulty sleeping if I knew what kind of overlap there was.

  51. John Lindsay says:

    Heh heh heh…I, too, was thinking the same.
    However, we need the cops to protect us from these extremist gun nuts, White supremacist groups, and other azzholes.

  52. American says:

    “we ought to be taxing the hell out of bullets t0 make it prohibitively expensive for any American to have more than what is needed for self-defense. Period.”

    I’m a hunter and enjoy shooting at multiple gun ranges. Tax me out of my hobbys? No, but I will add another 10,000 rounds as I can buy them. Have a problem with that??? Tough! I have the legal right to do it and the cash too!

  53. blarz says:

    govt – DHS – buying billions of rounds…while trying to take away your guns and ammo…no story here…go back to your obamavision…soak in some more liberal indoctrination rays…

  54. Maybe they can buy some from the DHS!

  55. hollywoodstein says:

    I guess you ;had to be there.

  56. Jakob Stagg says:

    Yes, there are ammo shortages. Yes, LEO shops are having to cut back in training. Over a decade of wars has burned up most surplus ammo. Mr. Obama was re-elected. It was clear King Pinocchio was going to break EVERY promise he made. Demand increase immediately. Sandy Hook occurred. King Pinocchio turned 180 degrees from his promises. He took Rahm Emanuel’s advice and used the event to exploit what he saw as an opportunity to advance his anti gun agenda. Armed with zero facts he launched the greatest attack on the Second Amendment ever seen. He’s been hoping nobody notices that the law abiding did nothing wrong. Yet all actions proposed are against them. Violent crime is committed by criminals. Act against them, not against the law abiding.

    Sandy Hook was the result of action by a violent criminal and a government that does not value our nation’s children. If they did value those sweet children, they would have provided for protection and defense of them. The government assured there was none. “Gun Free Zones” were again a government mandated death trap.

    Since King Pinocchio had already begun snatching rights, concerned citizens have responded. DHS has accumulated enough arms and ammunition to shoot every American and illegal alien 5 times. The King’s announcement he has the right to kill any American he chooses, any place, at anytime, without due process; has created a distrust of what he will do to us next. Actually, citizen response seems very rational considering the growing threat of tyranny.

    The situation is not due to the NRA. It is due to the efforts of government to destroy our rights. The NRA is responding to the threat to us all.

  57. BlackDog says:

    Let’s not mention the 2nd. Ammendment for a moment. Forget about which party you back and what your political views are. Let’s talk hypothetical situation for a moment. You’re in your home, wherever it is, and you hear a noise. It’s me. I’m all messed up on crank and I’ve got a stolen handgun in my waistband, and I’m lookin’ for some easy money or items I can convert to money at the pawn shop. I don’t care about you, your wife, your kids — just your stuff. You call 911 as you hear me coming up the stairs to your bedroom. Now let’s talk FACTS. The average police response time to a 911 call in Denver in 2012 was 11 minutes. In Kansas City, Missouri and Oklahoma City the average police response time to a 911 call was under 10 minutes. They won’t nail it down any more than that. The point is, what do you suppose I can do to you and your family in 10 minutes? Are you going to beg me not to hurt you? Really? Do you think I’ll respond positively to that? And how are you going to explain to your wife, later on, after I’ve taken her with me and raped her a few times, that there was just nothing you could do to protect your family? Oh, I know, that will never happen where you live, right?

  58. former_yooper says:

    This situation is illustrative of the dangers of “just in time” inventory and herd mentality. What if the next panic caused by our elected officials and their media puppets causes runs on toilet paper, cash, gasoline, food, medicine etc.? Will you be ready to take care of your family until things calm down?

  59. hollywoodstein says:

    She goes off at the 530 mark, but I digress.

  60. hollywoodstein says:

    Taken by the wind
    Taken by the sky
    Dreams unwind
    Love’s a state of mind

  61. hollywoodstein says:

    All your life you’ve never seen a woman
    Taken by the wind
    Would you stay if she promised you Heaven?
    Would you even try?

  62. hollywoodstein says:

    She rings like a bell through the night

    And wouldn’t you love to love her?

    She was alive like a bird in flight

    And who will be her lover?

  63. hollywoodstein says:

    She is like a cat in the dark

    And then she is the darkness

    She rules her life like a fine skylark

    And when the sky is starless

  64. hollywoodstein says:

    The new rumor for the rubes is the O admin is requiring bullets be secretly made with gunpowder that expires after six months, so you hafta keep buying more to make sure yours are fresh. Hmmm, now I wonder who benefits from spreading such rumours?

  65. hollywoodstein says:

    Five years ago:

  66. minidriver says:

    This is exactly what the gun-nuts want. Many of them speak of law enforcement officers as “part of the problem” (aka the “evil gubmint”). So, these nut-jobs think they should be able to take the law into their own hands.

  67. Butch1 says:

    I can produce the opposite information from the same Veteran’s magazines as well user1243.

  68. Butch1 says:

    So, you give me two negative choices and expect me to make a “wise” choice from this? Of course, you are being rhetorical and using this method to use ad hominem. Perhaps, if YOU knew anything about firing weapons YOU would know that you wouldn’t waste expensive hollow-point rounds on “training-exercises” when regular and less expensive rounds would not affect the training one bit. You do NOT know of what you speak when you say that it affects their training. Sorry, if these fools are going to have a hissy fit because they cannot train without hollow-point rounds then they shouldn’t be in the business of “defending the homeland.”

  69. talonts says:

    Are you clueless, or just trying to spread lies? While it is cheaper to train with FMJ over JHP, anyone with a brain knows it is BEST to train with the ammo you will carry on a daily basis. So if you’re going to carry JHP, you should train with JHP. Especially when you’re not paying for it.

  70. TuxedoCartman says:

    Just one quick question: how’d firearms ownership benefit you during the first 9-11?

  71. shawn_von_socialist says:

    secret secret the bullet manufacturers have cut production for massive profits
    same as gun producers there is no shortage really
    rightwingers would buy dirt at gold prices if they thought democrats were going to ban it

  72. JamesR says:

    LOL Buy marine gas if you can get it as it lasts longer without the Ethanol. (I’m sure you know that already)

  73. JamesR says:

    Odd I could have posted that about you. One Hornady link and one to the GSO? I posted two to Jonathan Turley’s site, that both have extensive comments below (though none yet that link to a real analysis of the ammo market.) They involve discussion about the rise of the internal police state and to the use of hollow point ammo. They are good reads. I posted questions, and you have kinda posted the same ones yet with no specific answers, or evidence for your proposed half-answers or hypotheses. I am not the enemy. Sorry (rhetorically) that I piss you off but there it is.

    When a BILLION rounds of ammo is just a number, the new normal, or just an upper limit that is meaningless, that’s a moment when some of us go OMG and others go Ho Hum. You and I seem to be one of each. But even if the number is half a BILLION rounds, even over five years, that’s a fuck of a lot of shooting. That is a Police State. It is Amerika. And some of us don’t like it. Get used to that. And look for valuable info as links not going after me I am done with you at least for now.

  74. Pine-Walker says:

    @aravosis We gun-nuts ( a family of 4) are reaching out to you from Nut-Landia (everyday Suburbia) …..What would you do if someone told you the gas they sold to make your car run might be outlawed tomorrow? Would you go out and buy all you could get your hands on before it was gone? Just like our $4,000 generator we bought a couple years ago, our firearms sit in a safe in case they are needed and we hope we will never need the use of either, ever. We’ve invested a good amunt of money on having firearms that we feel we would need in case of a national emergency (second 911 or similar), a regional emergency (a hurricane) or a family emergency like a break in. There is legislation called for that involves some of the ammunition that our firearms use that it may be outlawed and yes we are buying anything we can find for ammunition that fits our firearms, and it hasn’t been much since President Obama was re-elected. But we accept that it’s the nature of supply and demand. Maybe Homeland Security can share some the millions they purchased, to local PD’s.

  75. user1243 says:


    Wow – that’s a winner Butch

  76. user1243 says:

    What exactly have you brought to the conversation that is based on anything in reality? Your claims are without merit. You are just scared by a big number and can’t defend your position with any actual facts.

    You see any actual facts provided as a coverup. You are a true conspiracy nut.

  77. JamesR says:

    Yeah, I’m gonna go through the entire GSO contracts page right now! ROFLWPMP.

    And I’m sure that will contain all the other contracts in budgets we will never see…

    The GSO contracts, compared with the figures or estimated figures of production from munitions factories, affecting what would reach the consumer market, to make sure they included everything, yeah. Gonna do that right now. MyBad not going over all that raw data.

    “Most likely will not aquire one billion rounds” is reasonable and you call my billion figure a “lie?” – I do not see that much of a difference. I do not find any value in that difference. A BILLION rounds IS as hair raising as it is. Regardless of all those malefactors who need to be shot so badly.

    Nor do I see what I asked for, for which it might be quicker to find somebody who has done this work already who can prove his work, an analysis of the market and the forces that really caused this shortage. I find belief in the minimal impact of the DHS and other Federal agency orders based on contracts as fanciful as blaming the “Gun Nuts” for this shortage without what’s known as MATH and professional analysis.

    Be nice if you found some of that instead of bloviating against me. I will post what I find anyway. Good Luck.

  78. user1243 says:

    Furthermore, federal agents, including those under DHS, generally use the same ammunition for duty and practice. Currently, it’s a .40 S&W jacketed hollow point made by Federal, commonly known as the HST. Most of DHS’s evil, banned-for-war, elderly-and-baby-killing hollow points end up going through paper targets and into dirt berms. Each CBP (Customs and Border Protection) agent is currently given 250 rounds per quarter, or 1000 rounds per year. While things may differ from agency to agency, that lines up fairly nicely with the above math for the 450 million round contract.

  79. user1243 says:

    Annual ammo production in the US is around 10 Billion rounds of small arms ammo. Even if the government was actually purchasing 1 billion rounds in one year (which they are not) that would not cause the shortage.

    You are desperately trying to construct a narrative that is directly contradicted by reality. You clearly do not have any FACTS.

    I’ve provided you at least a few sources and told you were to find the rest of the information about the contracts you clearly have not read.

    All you have done is repeated the same lies.

  80. JamesR says:

    “Nya nya nya.” Did that sum up your comment? Did I miss something??

    What I said was what I said. Even Snopes for crissakes agrees, within the exact scope of what I said. “Purchase” vs “purchase order” does split hairs and has been addressed. The real extent of which that has influenced the market has not. I said we will find out together. As together as can be, as we live separately and will find different information, perhaps shared here. I guess that’s as together as we will get. Nya nya. Happy? Don’t care.

    Care about FACTS. Bring them.

  81. Zed says:

    do the math: our of approximately 60 million US gun owners, assume
    maybe 10% are stockpiling thousands of rounds in case of a ban — let’s
    say 10K rounds each. That’s 6 million people each buying 10K rounds = 6
    Billion — which has to be constantly
    replenished because people do a lot of target practice (I can easily go
    through 50 rounds on a Saturday at the range — until the shortage hit,
    or 100 shells when shooting clays). Add to this the other 50million
    going through maybe 100 rounds a year is another 5 Billion = 11Billion
    in civilian demand, Per year.
    to this the fact that police departments are increasing their training
    requirements, meaning more range time for officers, and we’re talking a
    lot of lead headed downrange. No wonder there’s a shortage.

  82. user1243 says:

    Why don’t you go search the DHS site for arrest (and quit making stuff up).

    Just the first page or results shows that you have to lie to make a point (or that you are just plain ignorant). Which is it?

    Are you soft on crime Butch?

  83. user1243 says:

    You can read the contracts. If you haven’t, maybe you should stop making stuff up about them based on your ignorance. They have not ‘purchased’ the rounds. The contracts set a price and establish minimum and maximum quantities over the course of the contract. This is how government contracting works and is no different than it has been in the past. They are not and most likely will not aquire one billion rounds.

    Again, that is only if they acquire every single round on every single contract for every single agence for every year of the contract.

    Why don’t you use the minimum quantities on the contracts for your claims? It makes as much sense as using the maximum?

    Clearly you are trying to paint a picture that is based on not disclosing all the information. Not much of an investigation if you don’t know the minimum quantities.

    Why don’t you go read the contracts.

  84. user1243 says:

    Maybe if you quit lying about the BILLION it would be a good start. Maybe stop repeating the lies you know are lies.

  85. Butch1 says:

    When was the last time that you read about them “busting identity thieves, smugglers, poachers, kidnappers, bank robbers and drug dealers” by using hollow-nose rounds, especially “identity thieves?”

    So far all of the cases that HLC have made public are the ones that they used entrapment of some idiots to get them to try something. It was hardly any huge bust against the security of our country. Sorry, not too impressed.

  86. JamesR says:

    Even one billion rounds divided by five, per year, is a fuck of a lot. For domestic use. Even with the amount of wild drug dealers, smugglers, poachers, bank robbers. kidnappers, and identity thieves at large that must not be mocked.

    The Devil is indeed within the details. An analysis of which is necessary before the scapegoating and lie calling begins. “Purchase” does not always mean “delivery” for sure. Yet in what way does a contracted purchase affect the rest of sales? I didn’t say I knew how but that is is a coincident fact. If you can answer how, with references, please do. Otherwise we will search together.

    Without the “quit spreading lies” and “bullshit” bullshit preferably.

  87. JamesR says:

    Thanks for that one link. It’ s a start. A start to investigating facts the way journalists should before writing anything about this story.

    I will also post what I find, if / when I find any properly sourced articles about the total volume of supply and demand this year as opposed to last. It will take time.

    “Conservative” news and newz have also reported the DHS is being evasive when queried about this. “Liberal” / “Progressive” press seems to be ignoring this, or is dismissive. No REAL press going after just the facts it would seem. This is WRONG, regardless the facts of this exact event. The entire current gun control “debate” is full of similar non-information.

    My point that there are forces at work be they simple sloth, disinterest, or general unprofessionalism, or deliberate acquiescence to others who would wish propaganda or ignorance take the place of fact – either way the result is the same, and WE have to dig and find out what IS. Or at least what we can prove.

  88. user1243 says:

    Here are some of rumors we’ve heard, and questions we’ve received:

    Have you stopped production, or has the government forced you to stop?

    Not at all.

    Did you stop selling bullets so you could only make loaded ammunition?

    Absolutely not.

    Since we can’t find your product you must be selling it all to the government.

    Nope, less than 5% of our sales are to government entities.

  89. user1243 says:

    Can we agree that the government has not acquired ‘billions’ of rounds? You do understand that the way the contracts are structured that is simply false, right?

    If I provide statements from manufacturers about the low level of government purchases compared to the citizens sales, will you accept these in combination with the fact that the government has not acquired ‘billions’ of rounds as a demonstration that they are not causing the shortage?

    You do realize you can read the contracts yourself and it is clear you have not.

  90. JamesR says:

    Numbers and sources please, via hyperlink. Or, as you say, it’s “bullshit.”

  91. JamesR says:

    I am asking for the truth and that ‘blame’ not be misdirected.

    “Crazy” would be accepting half-truths.

    I don’t care how I “look,” especially as the content of my post stands uncorrected and my question(s) remain unanswered. “Not causing shortage” is not good enough. Confirmable numbers, verifiable statements form munitions factories, please. Without these, calling my general statements, of facts, incorrect nor even “lies” is wrong.

    And no matter what the exact facts of this particular shortage are, the issues of people not investigating, not caring, easily accepting deflected blame, and use of divisive language that sets up upon ourselves rather than in opposition to a National Security State that would give Stalin the best orgasm he could possibly have even now pickled in a glass coffin – THESE are the issues. And yes THEY are crazy.

  92. TelltheTruth! says:

    The parties are a distraction. They’re both slaves to special
    interests and can both see the shitstorm on the horizon. Take a look

    – Most secretive “transparent” administration
    - 100mi internal border with “justified” suspicionless stops
    – DHS buying billions of hollow-points, Assault rifles, Tanks.
    – Aggressive anti-gun efforts dovetailing off conveniently timed massacres
    – Domestic UAVs, Data Centers, NDAA, Patriot Act, ect
    -China, Russia, Brazil, India on verge of ditching the dollar. Look up BRIC. Their preparing for the dollar to crash.
    It’s no coincidence the state is militarizing as fast as the economy is crumbling.

    Ignorance is bliss until it’s too late and if you think it’s a conspiracy then you deserve what’s coming…

  93. TelltheTruth! says:

    People are buying ammunition because DHS is buying 2.4 billion bullets, 360 million this past month to be exact. GTFO with that loony conspiracy argument. It’s not a conspiracy bitch, it’s happening. The only thing to fear is fear itself, which is why our government induces fear. You have no idea what’s going on do you?

  94. user1243 says:

    The FLETC has specifically said they train and certify federal, state, and local law enforcement with field ammo (hollow points). Officers train and certify with what they use in the field. Training and certification is not target practice. If find it interesting that you would mock those that protect your from federal criminals like identity thieves, smugglers, poachers, kidnappers, bank robbers, and drug dealers.

  95. user1243 says:

    What is the annual sales of ammo in the US for citizens? If you would bother to look, I think you will find out that it is more than you imagine. The government only represents about 5% of manufacturers purchases. Manufacturers have gone on record stating this very thing. Quit making stuff up and spreading bullshit.

  96. user1243 says:

    The BILLION rounds based on a series of 5 year contracts that have both minimum and maximum quantities. Why don’t you use the minimum quantities in ALL CAPS? They have not been acquired yet and it would only reach the highest amount if every single agency covered purchased every single available round over the course of every year of the contracts. Those contracts are not causing the current shortage.

    Local law enforcement, state law enforcement and federal law enforcement use hollow points. Why is it a surprise that they purchase hollow points? The DHS provides training for local law enforcement and state law enforcement and they train with the ammo they use in the field.

    Quit making stuff up and spreading lies. Your need to do so makes you look crazy.

  97. Butch1 says:


  98. JamesR says:

    Simple lie detector: open mouth / official statement. Unless and until whatever they say can be independently verified.

    Unless of course, it can’t pass the WTF test. Hollow points, like the Kanamit recipe book, are for man.

  99. NotHardly says: OK, how about from a left leaning??? Feel better?

  100. Swami_Binkinanda says:

    Living in a purported market economy wouldn’t one expect manufacturing capacity to increase sufficient to fill the demand?

    Maybe it’s time to load up the old atlatl of our forebears, maybe an English Longbow, and appropriate outfits a la the antiquarian cosplay of the Tea Party. Green tights or leather stringed gourd phallocarp?

  101. SkippyFlipjack says:

    The idea that they’re buying up “all the ammo” is of course ludicrous. The idea that they’re buying a lot of ammo, though, is probably due to the military’s necessity to the security of a free State..

  102. Butch1 says:

    People do NOT train with “hollow-nose” rounds, period. Those are used strictly for war and real-time action, not practice and play-time rehearsal. If they are saying they purchased it for practice firing then they are lying.

  103. JamesR says:

    It’s still more ammo than citizens could possibly ever buy, yet “Gun
    Nuts” get the blame. There is plenty of bullshit here alright.

  104. Butch1 says:

    Perhaps, or perhaps they anticipate that there will be a stock market crash or no jobs available for the masses and anticipate huge scale rioting and are preparing for it. At this rate, they ave enough ammunition to kill people three times over in this country. I think they are over reacting if this is true. It would be just like them to be this paranoid and it does fit the pattern they have been following of spying on us and slowly taking away our rights.

  105. Butch1 says:

    No, I read it correctly; it just depends upon whether the facts are correct or not. Why are you going after me instead of what I said? Who do you work for?

  106. JamesR says:

    The point is there’s really nothing clear about what they’re doing or why.

  107. Carl Gorney says:

    IBD? One of the most right-wing publications out there, and you’re asking US to trust them as a source? And an editorial, no less? REALLY?

  108. Carl Gorney says:

    Well, apparently your reading skills ain’t what they used to be.

  109. If bullets were expensive beyond the cost of the actual goods due to taxes, the cost to properly train to safely use a firearm would also be prohibitively expensive. This seems like it would negatively impact public safety.

    If police have less bullets than infinity, they can use their nightsticks, tazers, chemical and biological weaponry, and other less-lethal weapons they have. I’d be fine if police did not carry firearms at all times but only wore them to situations they knew would be life-threatening. It is hard to argue that citizens ought not open carry when one group of citizens, who manages to be above the law when they engage in violence, carries them everywhere and uses them to kill more often than I hear about civilian murders.

  110. Mark J Reed says:

    Looks like they should go buy some reloading equipment.
    It’s an easy fix.

  111. Mark J Reed says:

    No one is blaming them because it is bullshit.
    The purchase is for multiple organizations and is spread over five years.

  112. shthar says:

    Sounds good to me.

  113. JamesR says:

    Just because Alex Jones says the sky is blue doesn’t mean it isn’t. Though it might be cloudy. Jones can be more correct than a twice-a day clock, sometimes. It’s just harder to know when. Links to verification please. Not just anti-Jones ones preferably, if you have, thanks.

  114. JamesR says:


  115. JamesR says:

    “Troll” is correct.

  116. JamesR says:

    The real source of the ammo shortage is a combination of a run on ammo by citizens, but also a purchase of over a BILLION rounds, not as the video says “hundreds of thousands” but Billion. Plus. But our Fatherland Homeland Security. including hollow point ammo, that’s illegal under the Hague conventions regarding war… But it’s all OK of it goes to an internal police force.

    Certainly there is a panic buying factor in the shortage, as are predictable seasonal shortages and military buys again predictable, but it’s been months – there are other players involved in this. And I would posit they would rather someone else be blamed. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

    IF anyone looks, shotgun ammo is plentiful, and handgun ammo in common calibers is also obtainable. These are what police would mostly be in need of – right? The shortages are in .223 / 5.56 ammo, as in “assault rifles” – like what SWAT teams use (how many SWAT raids are using up the ammo??) and, oddly .22LR. Huge shortage of .22 ammo. Fatherland Homeland Security using .22 ammo?? There needs to be an investigation – a real one – the statistics of who is buying what is a real news story. Rumors don’t help. (Though they can spark people to really investigate.) An interesting post here, from Jonathan Turley is a better start: and:

    That Salon report was anecdotally true but not very investigative, yet led to the definitive “These people are crazy” at the end of this post. Not helpful.

  117. karmanot says:

    Careful dude she’ll drone your survival bunker.

  118. karmanot says:

    Sponge Bob isn’t gay. If you want head go to GI Joe Mr. Closet.

  119. karmanot says:

    That is an up side. Here in California they kill first and interview later.

  120. Troll says:

    I love how they blame gun owners, but DHS just bought 1.6 billion rounds of ammo. Why is no one blaming them?

  121. Troll says:

    Air force? Yup, you’re a pussy alright….

  122. says:

    Oh no, heaven forbid police departments be required to compete in a free market to buy bullets they’ll use to kill citizens.

  123. SkippyFlipjack says:

    Clearly they’re stockpiling it so they can steal everyone’s guns and enslave the country.

  124. Ginger_FL says:

    Oh how funny you are. When devoid of an intelligent response, name calling ensues. Typical.
    I’m a USAF Veteran you idiot…and I know how to handle a weapon… Unlike your ilk, I’m not afraid of the boogyman like you and your types clearly are.

  125. Butch1 says:

    From my understanding it has been the HLS who has been buying up all of the ammunition and stockpiling it. They have used the excuse that they needed it for “training exercises” but you do not buy up hollow-point rounds and use them for “training exercises.” One uses a different round for that. This is what I have read in Veteran Magazines. How reliable this is should be researched further.

  126. The Son of Perdition says:

    I bet this is what you look like, you liberal cocksucker.

  127. texasshiva says:

    Interestingly, the gun nuts are blaming the government for the shortage.

  128. Yopeace says:

    NH Chiefs of Police have created a raffle to give away a gun a day for
    31 days in May. The first day’s prize is a semi automatic assault
    weapon. Please join the community in asking the Chiefs: “Give up the gun
    giveaway and accept the offer of a buyback of all of the raffle

  129. Ford Prefect says:

    Between hysterical fetishists, metals prices (it’s not trivial, so blame commodity speculators like Goldman Sachs as well) and DHS buying a market-distorting 1.6 billion rounds, this isn’t very surprising.

    Perhaps the silver lining in this is fewer innocent people will get shot by the police. After all, Americans are eight times more likely to be killed by a cop than a “terrorist.” If you think I’m being hyperbolic, read this essay from the highly decorated SWAT officer:

    Why cops should be dangerous

    Are you a highly-trained killer? Are your hands and feet weapons? Are you dangerous?

    If you read the essay, you’ll see aggression, hyper-vigilance and a “dangerous” image justified using right-wing authoritarian strawmen. If this is a typical mind-set, anyone being “Othered” by these people is in real danger. Some cops like to be viewed as threats. This one sure does.

  130. Oh…Oh, Dear…

    Debunked: The DHS Ordered 21.6 Million Rounds Of Ammo

    Posted by Mason I. Bilderberg (MIB) on February 18, 2013

    Posted in: Alex Jones, Conspiracy, Disinformation, Fraud, Government, Moron, Scams.
    Tagged: Alex Jones, Ammunition, Artesia New Mexico, Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, Hollow-point bullet, Homeland Security Department, United States, United States Department of Homeland Security.

    A little over a week ago our favorite moron, Alex Jones, posted an
    article at (Dis)InfoWars claiming the DHS was purchasing 21.6 rounds of
    ammo (archived here at iLLumiNuTTi – PDF).

    From (Dis)InfoWars, 2/7/13:

    «The Department of Homeland Security
    is set to purchase a further 21.6 million rounds of ammunition to add
    to the 1.6 billion bullets it has already obtained over the course of
    the last 10 months alone, figures which have stoked concerns that the
    federal agency is preparing for civil unrest.


    «The [order] asks for 10 million pistol cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point
    bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds) and 10 million 9mm 115 grain
    jacketed hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds).

    «The document also lists a requirement for 1.6 million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets (40 quantities of 40,000 rounds).»

    FedBid is the site providing a copy of the bid. I have located FedBid’s copy of the bid and archived a copy here at iLLumiNuTTi (PDF).

    The FedBid copy is a general overview of the bid. But to get at the
    meat of this order and see what is really going on, we’ll need to
    examine the original SF (Standard Form) 1449,
    by the Department of Homeland Security archived here at iLLumiNuTTi (PDF).

    Let’s take a look at the pertinent portions of the original DHS bid. Here in Box 20 of the order form it says the following:

    As you can see, the highlighted text says, “Ammo should be packaged
    in 50 round boxes in a case of 1000 or 500 rounds.” Please make special
    note of the “cases of 1000 or 500 rounds” portion, it’s important for what follows.

    I’ll use the .40 caliber ammunition order as the first of three examples to demonstrate the genius of Alex Jones:

    This is a standard looking government form. I’d like you to look
    along the top at columns 21 and 22. Column 21 lists the Quantity as
    “100″ and column 22 lists the Unit (Unit of Issue) as “MX.” If we
    multiply columns 21 (100) and 22 (MX) we can determine the total number
    of .40 caliber rounds the DHS has ordered.

    The question is, what does “MX” mean?

    As with all government forms, there are well understood instructions
    for filling them out. Let’s see what the designator “MX” means in column

    Well looky here. “MX” is the designator for 1,000!

    Now we can go back to the order request for the .40 caliber
    ammunition and we can multiply columns 21 (100) and 22 (1,000) to get
    the total number of .40 caliber rounds:

    So the Department of Homeland Security ordered 100,000 .40 caliber
    rounds. Wait. But the brilliant, omniscient Alex Jones said DHS ordered
    10 MILLION .40 caliber rounds! How can this be? Do you feel what i
    feel? A disturbance in the force, Luke. Well, here’s more disturbances
    in the force . . .

    Now that we know “MX” means 1,000, how many 9mm 115 grain rounds did DHS actually order?

    Multiplying columns 21 and 22 (100 x 1,000) we can see DHS ordered 100,000 9mm 115 grain rounds, not the 10 MILLION rounds claimed by conspiracists.

    Last, but not least, the mighty propagandist Jones claims DHS ordered
    “1.6 million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets.” Here is the truth:

    Columns 21 and 22 show DHS order 40,000 9mm ball rounds, not the 1.6 MILLION claimed by conspiracists.

    How did Alex Jones screw up all these calculations? Using the 9mm
    ball rounds directly above as an example, apparently Jones multiplied
    the “40,000 ROUNDS” in column 20 against the number 40 in column 21
    (40,000 x 40 = 1,600,000).

    How could he get it so wrong? Or should i say WHY would he get it so wrong? The words “40,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS”
    simply means “A total of 40,000 rounds, priced by the case (of 1,000
    rounds).” This is akin to saying, “I want 240 beers, priced per case (24

    I honestly don’t know how people like Jones can make such an error.
    How did his whole staff miss this error? It looks so egregious as to
    seem intentional.

    To wrap things up, instead of the ridiculous claim of “21.6 MILLION rounds of ammunition” being ordered by the Department of Homeland Security, the actual total is 240 THOUSAND rounds (100k + 100k + 40k).

    What can i say? Time and again, clowns like Alex Jones are proven
    wrong with just a cursory examination of the facts. Why do so many
    people buy his bull-shtick hook, line and sinker?

  131. Green Eagle says:

    You didn’t mention that numerous Republicans and right wing blogs are blaming all of this shortage on Obama and Federal government ammunition purchases.

  132. DM says:

    HA HA! Yeah, as stated below, I think DHS is buying a few more rounds than private citizens. Now THAT is something to worry about. Oh, illegal to Geneva convention BTW. Wake up sheeple!

  133. America, Fuck Yeah! says:

    Maybe if Obama did order the DHS to order 1.6 billion rounds of ammo, for future use on American citizens…

  134. TuxedoCartman says:

    Speaking as someone who hasn’t met a cop yet that’s not a trumped-up authoritarian bully… I’m okay with them not having enough ammunition. Maybe now they’ll be forced to find other solutions to problems, rather than going straight for the gun. (Yeah, right…)

  135. pappyvet says:

    This does not bode well for our country or what it stands for.
    Since 1995, there have been approximately 100 domestic terrorist plots from the radical right .

    Since the Preident was first sworn in, there has been an80% inrease in the number of rightwing hate groups.
    “If slavery were so God-awful, why didn’t Jesus or Paul condemn it” Loy Mauch,Republican member of the Arkansas House of Representatives
    This is the kind of base that the NRA loves. If someone just wants to look at the economics of it all,they’re just making money by pandering to the fears of their racist, white supremacist core audience. Okay. But DON’T DARE to say they give a shit about this nation or anyone in it.
    And then we have frothers like Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh who continue to engage in overblown rhetoric meant to stir the pot of hatred . And the American media talking heads HAVE THE NERVE to claim “both sides” engage in this same level of race-baiting, fear-mongering rhetoric. Not hardly.
    Where is this same dramatic upsurge in “liberal” hate groups? Where is the same dramatic upsurge in threats to Republicans from Liberals? It does not exist.

    Loy Mauch has compared Abraham Lincoln to Karl Marx [a favorite republican tactic] and called him a “fake neurotic Northern war criminal” This is the kind of lies and hatred that the NRA counts on. And having a black President is just chocolate frosting on their pure white cake. Actually, its a buffet table loaded with all the goodies these people love to hate. Gay marriage, Womens rights to their own bodies, climate change,et all. And the people gaining power and fortune off of it are nothing more than dope peddlers in Brooks Brothers suits.

  136. Randy Riddle says:

    They should be stocking up on Big Gulps instead. The gov’ment’s confiscating those any day now.

  137. Hue-Man says:

    Nothing to worry about. The problem has already been solved. HuffPo headline:Sandy Hook Shooting Inspires Bulletproof Kids Clothing

  138. Grue says:

    More likely cos one of their higher ups is nice and cosy with arms manufacturers.

  139. Grue says:



  140. Ginger_FL says:

    I am sick and tired of the CRAZY scardycats in this country. I mean really….man up…there is nothing to fear but fear itself for cryin out loud. I have always been for bullets costing hundreds of dollars each, that way these insane fearful people would have to think twce before buying thousands of rounds cause their daddy figure NRA told them to.
    Good grief….we have become a nation of thumb suckers who wet their pants in fear because a BLACK man is in the white house. How pathetic.

  141. nolaramie says:

    Though it was underreported at the time, an ammunition shortage hit this country right after Obama’s election and lasted for about six months. It was a common topic of discussion out here in flyover country.

  142. NotHardly says:

    Seriously, you all haven’t been reading much about DHS have you?? Try to keep up AB…

  143. perljammer says:

    At the peak of the war in Iraq, American troops were firing 5.5 million rounds of ammunition per month. 1.6 billion rounds is enough to sustain that rate for 24 years.

    Sorta makes one wonder what the Department of Homeland Security is getting ready for?

  144. Anonymous says:

    Maybe they can get some of the 1.6 BILLION bullets that DHS has requested.

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