New Pope Francis is 76 y.o. Archbishop Bergoglio of Buenos Aires

Who is Pope Francis?  An Argentine human rights lawyer had accused Archbishop Bergoglio, aka Pope Francis, of working with the murderous Argentine military junta in abducting two priests in the 1970s.

A human rights lawyer has filed a criminal complaint against an Argentine cardinal mentioned as a possible contender to become pope, accusing him of involvement in the 1976 kidnappings of two priests.

Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s spokesman Saturday called the allegation “old slander.”

I worked in Argentina.  The 1970 abductions by the junta, called “the dirty war,” were a horrible business in which people were “disappeared” and murdered simply for disagreeing with the government.  It’s rather disgusting that they’d pick a Pope in any associated with a cloud surrounding that period.  Then again, Ratzinger was Hitler Youth and was implicated in the cover up fo the pedophilia scandal, and it didn’t stop him.

ThinkProgress has more on allegations of Bergoglio’s involvement with Argentina’s Dirty War:

However, Bergoglio has been criticized by the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) for his behavior during the 1976-1983 dictatorship in Argentina, with some journalists claiming that he prevented human rights groups from finding political prisoners by imprisoning them in his vacation home.

During the period of the dictatorship, the Catholic Church failed to confront the regime, even as it was kidnapping and killing thousands. The church eventually issued a blanket apology for its actions in October of 2012, though Bergoglio “invoked his right under Argentine law to refuse to appear in open court” to address two cases in which he was directly involved. When he did testify in 2010, his “answers were evasive,” human rights activists claim.

More from Wikipedia:

On April 15, 2005, a human rights lawyer filed a criminal complaint against Bergoglio, accusing him of conspiring with the junta in 1976 to kidnap two Jesuit priests, whom he, as superior of the Society of Jesus of Argentina in 1976, had asked to leave their pastoral work following conflict within the Society over how to respond to the new military dictatorship, with some priests advocating a violent overthrow. Bergoglio’s spokesman has flatly denied the allegations.

From the Irish Times last month:

The runner-up slot then was supposedly occupied by the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

Dirty war

At 76 he is still eligible. But his elevation to the papacy could lead to renewed scrutiny of the Argentinian church’s role in the country’s Dirty War, when it offered support to the military junta in its brutal campaign of murder of left-wing dissidents.

In 2005 Cardinal Bergoglio, who was the head Jesuit in the country during the dictatorship, was accused by a local human rights group of complicity in the death of two Jesuit priests murdered by the regime, a charge which he has vigorously denied.

And Pope Francis thinks gay marriage is a creation of Satan.  Nice.

Apparently he has issues with gay adoption too:

“The National Catholic reporter said Pope Francis called adoption by gay and lesbian people a form of discrimination against children. The real discrimination against children is the pedophilia that has run rampant in the Catholic Church with little more than collusion from the Vatican.” – Herndon Graddick, GLAAD President

NC Register:

Cardinal Bergoglio continued: “Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a ‘move’ of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

He’s a gay hater, now there’s a surprise:

 

 

Of course, the joke is on the Catholic church.  By wooing Latin America, they’ve wooed a region that’s far more liberal on gay rights, particularly gay marriage, than even the United States.

New Pope may be Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Buenos Aires (they think). Italian TV is saying he has picked the name Francis.

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But no one knows who he is yet.  Stay tuned. While we’re waiting, you can read some of our recent Pope news here. It’s sad, but in the old days I used to actually get a little excited, in a newsy way, about “new Popes.”  But now that I’m older and wiser, and know the damage that these man work, it’s a creepier experience full of far more foreboding than fun. I’m watching CNN and Anderson Cooper is talking to a lot of excited foreigners/Catholics.  It’d be interesting to see if he talks to anyone who admits that the church has done a lot of damage and needs a new direction. Here’s a bit of the talk on Twitter:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  • dcinsider

    Oh please do. As an atheist I live for such education.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    And bug fender chaps!

  • http://poodyheads.wordpress.com/ Papa Bear

    Is that when you force your car to dress in black leather?

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Actually nearly everything this ‘Maria’ troll posted would have been appropriate only on a fringe hate website.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Oh dang, that was so much fun!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Well, what she calls attacking kindness is really Maria channeling her inner Llse Koch. I’m not letting her anywhere near by tats.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “frothing at the mouth like an animal.” I did that once at the Mineshaft back in the 70′s. I think it was the poppers.

  • Ninong

    The Vatican insists that Papa Ratzi’s bespoke ruby red slippers are made by his personal Vatican shoemaker and not Prada. The sheets, however, are still made by Pratesi.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I bet you can see Chlamydia from your house!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    misandrists? Is that Latin for Bull Dike? I think you need a a new name: Cathloc.—a crossbreed between Morlocks, and Catholic trolls

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Not in the least bigotry——it’s a matter of connoisseurship.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I imagine her as Miss Havisham still wandering about in her wedding dress pretending its her first communion gown as a bride of Christ.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I bet you like your morons roasted on an open fire.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Marie thinks dolphins are fish and crosses herself every time she sees one on the bumper or back window of a SUV.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    You have her confused with Joan Rivers.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “you happily ran with them because you’re gutless. Gutless? Well no, we all had 6-packs then.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I always thought AD refereed to auto-dominance.

  • Ninong

    I think I’ll go with Romani ite domum, too. LOL

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “Still waiting for that shoe to drop.” and waste a perfectly good Prada?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    No, not to worry Nihong, Your Mr, C medal will have magical powers if you put it on a train track and it expands and flattens. More for the penny I say.

  • Ninong

    How about we all google Franklin Cover-Up Scandal instead? http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/Franklin/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm

  • Ninong

    Apparently they’re au courant with today’s curia, too. Still waiting for that shoe to drop.

  • Ninong

    “The Church is just fine. It’s the human beings that have problems.”

    You copied that from JPII. That was part of his non-apology apology, when he apologized for the actions of some of the people of the Church over the centuries.

  • Ninong

    The nuns always promised that Pius XII would reveal the third message in 1950, because that was a Holy Year. Instead, what did we get, we got an excathedra proclamation that the Assumption was now official Catholic dogma. No secret message! Sr. Mary Catherine told us that he probably wants to wait and surprise us in 1954 because that was going to be called a Marian Year.

  • Ninong

    Plus ça change.

  • Ninong

    Pacelli had something in common with the Nazis, they both despised those “dirty, vulgar, repulsive Jews” — that’s a quote from Cardinal Pacelli, in writing. During his 13 years in Munich and Berlin, he always sided with the Germans against the French. Then when he finally got control of the Vatican, he threatened automatic excommunication to anyone who voted for Italian political candidates that did not meet with his approval — explicit interference in the affairs of state of the sovereign nation of Italy.

    Something similar, just not as explicit, happened during the 2008 U.S. Presidential Election when Catholic priests told their congregations that it would be a sin to vote for a political candidate who supported abortion. Some U.S. bishops and archbishops personally forbade certain Catholic legislators from the Sacrament of Communion because they had voted for laws considered to be pro-choice. It’s amazing that Obama managed to carry the Catholic vote in spite of the pressure applied by the Church.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Besides which, nobody uses AD and BC anymore. Now it’s CE and BCE — CE = ‘common era.’

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Romanes eunt domus! No wait, it’s Romani ite domum!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Your troll-baiting tactics are unparalleled. I doff my cowboy hat to you.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Last I checked, divorce was a sin, too. And one that that Jesus fellow specifically pointed out was to be avoided, unlike homosexuality about which he said nothing specific at all.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Thanks, sweetie.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Moreover, she (honestly though, I think she’s a guy with a trollish nom de plume) ignored the elephant in the room: The common thread throughout all of those things was the Church telling people it was their duty to kill unbelievers, non-believers, and witches.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    I suspect according to Maria, the Holocaust was just some people getting sent off to work camps.

  • FLL

    No one would blame you after reading the comment that you replied to:

    “Just goes to show not to trust them [gay men]. Keep them [gay men] away from your children…We’ll weed them [gay men] out. Then we’ll close the door.”

    I think that comment would have exhausted any moderator’s patience. The comment you replied to would only be at home on a fringe hate website.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Yay! Guess I can cancel my bulk order of Troll-B-Gone.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcrEqIpi6sg Moderator4

    Maria, we have been more than patient with you while you spouted your anti-gay bigotry. Our patience has run out. You are banned.

  • samizdat

    Luis, seek the aid of a mental health professional.

  • Steve_in_CNJ

    If I had the power to destroy God’s plan, I’d use some of it to give you a clue.

  • Luis D. Rey

    Herdon Graddick,
    You are a sicko homo who belongs in the Chicago Gay House Baths where Obama used to use as his second home, lol…

  • Luis D Rey

    Progressives are the evil seed of Satan and Mohammad !!
    Obama, the MIC (The Mudslum in Chief) is the Son of Perdition, Hilary Clinton is one of Satan’s daughters and Nancy the Creepy Boogie Woman is Satan’s older seed !!

  • Luis D Rey

    Susan Gardner,
    Did Obama (Yo mamma) get any vetting?
    Go back to sleep, will you?

  • lynchie

    It is only pseudo Christians who froth. As far as being nasty, manipulative and deceptive give me some proof of that. I have not seen the gay community push corruption into families. They simply want the same rights as you and to be left along to live their lives. Not to be judged by you who listen to the big head in the sky and every few years elevate someone to be the “new person who talks directly to God”. I find it fascinating that this new pope channels God. How do you know it’s God it could be a 2000 year old lizard.

  • lynchie

    What is your point. I missed the reference to 2,000 years. In addition I am not retarded I do know what BC and AD mean.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    When Maria’s posts became incoherent, yet unfailingly inflammatory, I knew we were dealing with a dedicated troll, and decided to treat the commenter accordingly.

  • http://www.ryanstake.net RyansTake

    I’m very curious to know what this guy’s role has been during the decades of pedophilia. I’m not sure if Argentina’s had its scandal damn-bursting yet, but if it hasn’t, it’s only a matter of time… since the problem of cover up was systemic to the entire church.

  • Ninong

    Plus ça change.

  • Ninong

    Was the Roman Inquisition political, too?

    If homosexuality is a sin, then why are so many members of the College of Cardinals homosexual? What about all those homosexual saints? How did they get canonized if they were homosexuals? What about all the homosexual popes?

    Homosexuality is not “an urge or desire,” it’s a natural variation of human sexuality that is 100% genetic. Denial of a person’s nature is a sin.

    Hey, here’s a mystery that maybe you can clear up for us? Why was Benedict in such a hurry to get Msgr Balestrero away from the Vatican Bank a couple of weeks ago that he promoted him to archbishop and shipped him off to Colombia as Apostolic Nuncio? Was it the same reason he shipped Archbishop Vigano to Washington, DC as nuncio?

    Why did Italy stop processing all credit card transactions for Vatican City a couple of weeks ago? Okay, I know why but I was just wondering if you did, since you claim to know everything. Don’t worry, it’s fixed now. They’re using a Swiss bank to process ATM transactions from inside Vatican City. The Swiss don’t care who they do business with and they don’t believe in reporting. They’re also not a member of the EU.

    Here’s another question for you. Why did the Holy See sign the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child if they had no intention to comply with its requirements? I’m not even sure they’re still listed as a signatory. I do know that they have completely ignored its requirements in spite of repeated requests from the UN.

  • Ninong

    Your Holiness the Dalai Lama, Your Holiness Pope Francis, Your Holiness Pope Benedict? Benedict said he will continue to be styled “Your Holiness,” so now there are two guys addressed as “Your Holiness” living inside Vatican City but only one of them will have Bel Giorgio as a roommate. Oops! Make that Archbishop Bel Giorgio, Prefect of the Papal Household.

    It will be literally a walk in the park (Vatican garden) for Bel Giorgio to get to the office in the morning. It sure is taking them a long time to fix up the new humble abode for Papa Ratzi and Bel Giorgio, along with 4 Memores domini that will be going with them to Mater Dei to cook, clean house, do laundry, etc. — and, best of all, they take a vow of silence.

  • Ninong

    How about fugare troglodytam? LOL

    Troll is from a Norse word so I looked up the English word troglodyte instead and used its Latin derivative.

  • RSF

    Talking to yourself again?

  • RSF

    Boy, you’re no longer even trying to pretend to be over 12 years old.

  • RSF

    I know you are a complete moron now. There’s no need for you to be envious of others. And as to gutless, the only reason you freely spew your nonsense and hate is because you don’t realize how stupid you sound. That’s not courage. It’s ignorance.

  • FLL

    Actually, Maria, when you say that they “attacked that kindness,” you’re talking about the majority of your fellow Americans. And what you think of as attacking kindness is actually called “winning elections.” The majority of your fellow Americans kicked your ass at the polls. And I believe that you’re stuck in this country, right? Where else are you going to go? Iran? Maybe one of those “Christian-identity” camps in northern Idaho? Good luck with that.

  • RSF

    “Well actually everyone talks everywhere about the infantile behavior of the weird gay people.”
    - You know what’s really infantile? Obsessing on other people’s sexuality.
    “We were kind; we were generous”
    - I must have blinked when you were kind and generous, because I completely missed that.
    “we tried to be understanding”
    - Before or after you burned gays at the stake? Or was it while you were calling gays infantile, immoral, etc.? Was that the kind and understanding part? Well, let me return the kindness. You are an infantile, ignorant, immoral nitwit. See? Wasn’t that kind and understanding?
    “and you attacked that kindness.”
    - Not so! I just returned the favor!
    “As a group, the gay activists are nasty, manipulative and deceptive.”
    - Yes, because they always make up these phony statistics to try to make their point. …Oh, no, wait a minute. That was you homophobes. Well, it’s always the gay activists who try to denigrate heterosexual relationships. …No, that was you again. Well, one thing is for sure, you are an expert in nastiness, manipulation and deception.
    “They attack religion, family, home, morals and decency.”
    - Yes, because wanting to get married and protect the people you love is the surest way to destroy home, family and decency.
    “They push corruption into family shows”
    - Have you been watching the Borgias? FYI: Rodrigo was a pope and the corruption there was wholly Catholic.
    “and I don’t know how your families reared you–but none of you has any manners”
    - Alright, I’ll treat you with the same manners you’ve shown. You are infantile and immoral. I tried to be kind and understanding with you, but you attack kindness, destroy the family, decency, goodness. You push your corruption on Americablog. You froth at the mouth like a rabid animal. There! Feel better? You’re welcome.
    “and I’ve yet to see any representative from the gay activists hold a civil discussion without frothing at the mouth like an animal.”
    - Put down the mirror, Maria. You’ll feel much better.

  • FLL

    The nature of the dolphin species doesn’t change either. Did you know, my sweet, that male and female dolphins only copulate during a very brief period of the year and form no lasting bond with each other, mating with a different opposite-sex partner during the next year? In contrast, male dolphins bond with each other in pairs, and there is almost always a sexual component to their bond that manifests itself throughout the year. The bond between two male dolphins lasts most of their lives. Zoologists theorize that the bonded pairs of male dolphins more effectively protect the group against common enemies, such as large sharks and killer whales. Just a little data from the animal kingdom for bedtime, my sweet.

    It’s often said that male dolphins are sexually monogamous… but not in the way you think.

  • Ninong

    The Marines?

  • FLL

    Yes. The new pope’s message is to your ex-husband. The new pope’s message is to find a Latin American country where the de facto age of consent for boys is very low. That is the new pope’s message to your ex-husband. Perhaps your ex-husband will ignore the new pope’s advice and replace you with another woman, although, Maria, I would like to think of you as utterly irreplaceable (for any number of unusual or dysfunctional reasons).

  • FLL

    But I want to help you solve your problem and replace that good-for-nothing ex-husband of yours. You’ve got to socialize more, and judging from this thread, you probably (?) have a shot at it.

  • FLL

    Your ex-husband lied! And Maria, you deserve better. Now I’m sure your ex-husband is feeling better (now that your surgeon friend has returned BeccaM’s bag of Troll Chow to her), so it’s time to move on with your life. Some men like the brainless, fluttery type, and you’re doing one hell of a job.

  • FLL

    But Rachel Maddow is so astute and her commentary is so incisive. Not that those things matter to me, Maria. They pale in comparison to your… um… your winsome charm. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Winsome charm.

  • RSF

    I know you didn’t learn logic. Trust me, the word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

  • Maria

    Hey–those guys lied. They told us they had a calling–they thought they had it made screwing each other. Just goes to show not to trust them. Keep them away from your children. They have no control over themselves because that’s the way they are.
    We’ll weed them all out. Then, we’ll close the door.

  • RSF

    Yes, everyone knows the current pope, the previous pope and vast swaths of the Catholic hierarchy are profoundly immoral. And hypocrites too.

  • Ninong

    Really? In other words, it’s still a sin to eat meat on Fridays? I thought they changed that “truth?”
    Is the Earth still fixed and unmoving? I thought JPII changed that when he finally forgave Galileo?
    Is it still necessary to burn Jews at the stake if they refuse to convert to Catholicism so that we can get their property, or at the very least expel them from Spain?
    What about the nature of Pope John XII? Wasn’t he a piece of work?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I don’t know about that, but Bel Giorgio is hung like a mule.

  • FLL

    Then, of course, there are the medical consequences of your ex-husband having had sex with you. But I think you pulled through like a champ. Personally, I think your ex-husband is a jerk. BeccaM was looking for her bag of Troll Chow, and he was hiding it all the time, even though now one could see it. What a cad! Now how about joining me for that cup of coffee at Starbuck’s. To hell with Maggie Gallagher’s boycott, I say!

  • Maria

    Rachel Maddow? What a loser.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Did I just hear a jackass?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    But she lives in a Nonpareil universe.

  • Maria

    YeeeeeeHaaaaaaa!

  • Maria

    And, maybe that’s exactly what your problem is.

  • FLL

    I’m wooing her with warm humor, but she’s still playing hard to get. I thought my quip about Jesus not eating M&Ms because they fall through the holes in his hands would brighten her day, but she only ignores me. Is it something I said?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Many things are real, like Catholicism are not necessarily true. One thing is true however, the nature of man is not born in original sin. You pathetic cracked-pot.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    On!

  • FLL

    Maria! Your into heavy metal bands! Recéde satanam is one of the very best heavy metal bands in Norway. I think that’s the band whose members were involved in burning those Christian churches to the ground in Norway during the late 90s. You love the same kind of music I do!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    The third message of Fatima: Invest n holy cards and short rosaries?

  • Maria

    Infection is a very good topic. Let’s talk about the CDC report about men who have sex with men. That report says HIV and AIDS infections are spread without anyone ever considering their friend’s health. As a matter of fact, they lie as a matter of course to satisfy themselves and to Hell with their friend. With friends like that, who needs you?
    Imagine, it even has statistics of infections delivered straight to young teenage boys from older men. How moral a community is that?
    It’s no wonder the Dutch Study reports such a high incidence of suicide in the homosexual community–when your friends treat you like you’re less than dirt, that’s how they make you feel. That’s love? No, it’s not love. It’s called totally morally corrupt. Only a coward does that to a friend.

  • FLL

    Is there a Latin phrase for “troll begone”?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “Recéde satanam” But I thought his band was fabulous and was having a revival.

  • Ninong

    Isn’t she a riot? Guess what? If you use Google Translate it actually translates that as “begone Satan.” Now that’s really funny! Who in the hell did Google use as their Latin scholar?

  • Naja pallida

    Mmm, bbq. Ribs, my place, Friday?

  • RSF

    I love how a pompous ass decides other people are elitist. Or how a clueless flake decides that other people don’t read. You are the indoctrinated one, but I don’t expect you to have the level of self-awareness to understand that. But do continue to smugly parade your total ignorance. It’s good for a laugh.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Maybe she’s channeling her inner BBQ

  • cole3244

    looks like i insulted another pedophilia supporter aka a catholic, so sorry one of the flock.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I would order a hot crossed bun with my latte!

  • Naja pallida

    Seems more likely she’s conflating somatoform disorders with ergotism. And doesn’t realize that there was really no such thing as secular society at the time of the witch trials.

  • Ninong

    “Recéde satanam” is not proper Latin, if that’s what you thought. Did you get that from Google Translate? Don’t use that crap, it will make you look like a fool.

    There is no acute accent in Latin. If you want to say “begone Satan,” it would be “fugare satanam.” The priest uses “fugare diabole” (begone devil) in the Latin rite of Catholic exorcism.

  • FLL

    Maria, my sweet! There you are. I suspect that if I give the new pope his due, I’ll win your affections. Since Bergoglio is from Argentina, you might know that in Spanish-speaking countries, male children were often named Jesús (although that’s much less popular today).

    So Mary and Joseph are in the manger where the Christ-child has just been born, and they’re trying to think of a name for the child. Joseph says, “How about Jesus?” and Mary says, (filing her nails and reading her copy of the National Enquirer) “I don’t like it. It sounds too Puerto Rican.”

    Now that I’ve won your fickle little heart, how about that cup of coffee at Starbuck’s. You did tell me that you’re finally over your ex-husband—you know, after your surgeon friend pulled BeccaM’s bag of Troll Chow out of him.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    You bet!

  • RSF

    Twelve years of catholic schooling tends to make you anti-catholic, as does listening to the tripe coming out of the mouths of these popes and cardinals.

  • Maria

    The Truth does not change. The nature of man does not change either.

  • FLL

    Ah, you really know how to charm men, don’t you?

  • RSF

    Are you high, drunk, or just hopelessly stupid?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “they were sent for psycho therapy with sex expert” Honey, you better get a better Ouji Board.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Make that an escalator!

  • RSF

    No, the US is NOT the world leader in gay rights. We were not the first to do anything on gay rights. We’re followers on this front. European countries are most definitely the leaders.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Thank you I appreciate the complement. You have that impact on me too. Wanna date?

  • Maria

    You have a big smudge on your huge eyeball.
    The Church is just fine. It’s the human beings that have problems. The only problem the Church had was when homosexual priests failed to keep their oath, their honor, their faith, their ability to control their urges.
    Of course, they were sent for psycho therapy with sex expert, you know that voyeuristic lunatic with the doctorate in bug study? What’s his name? Alfred Kinsey–bug doctor. He’s the United States’ expert on the study of sex? Him and Masters and Johnson (Masters’ son Howie is a flasher–you think it’s because his dad brought home his voyeuristic films of his clients?) Give me a break.
    Those two morons and those they educated at elite sexology and Freudian psychology courses deemed these men cured. Where are those lawsuits against the inept medical community? You guys on this site should institute that lawsuit. You could explain why it didn’t work.

  • FLL

    Now we know where BeccaM’s bag of “Troll Chow” went. Maria claims that a surgeon friend of hers pulled it out of her ex-husband. Maria mentioned that upthread.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    BC means bull crap.

  • RSF

    Western Europe in general and Scandinavia are much better places to be gay than the US. Argentina has been passing a lot of pro-LGBT legislation. The British and Israelis got rid of their bans on gays in the military long before we did. The problem in the US is that politicians are way too complacent and servile with right-wingers. This has held us back in terms of social progress.

  • Ninong

    You don’t think their uniforms are sexy?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Not really honey, it’s just that nobody is in to you….not even your husband I dare say.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    You may address me then as Your Holiness.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “But then my gin and tonic would go warm” That’s OK Becca I’ll take up the slack and slay Ms. Church Lady Goliath with your left-over olives.

  • Maria

    Did she have her neck replaced? That Kathy Griffin?

  • Maria

    That’s what his mother Gloria Vanderbilt always told him.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Briquet’s syndrome? aka Satan? ROTFL you absolutely hysterical.

  • Maria

    Good for you. Bravo!

  • Maria

    Let’s hope so. It’s a great message. Should I tell you what it is?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Is that embroidered on your scapula?

  • Maria

    You forgot Australia. Another Nazi destination. They also came to the US–remember? We split the genius scientists with the Soviets?

  • RSF

    That came from the article, sweetie. And as a matter of fact, I lived extensively in Spain – a country where, unlike in the US, gay marriage is legal. Ricky Martin had to choose between becoming a Spanish or Argentinian citzen in order to get married because as a US citizen he cannot. I think you’re the one who needs to get out of your comfort zone a little.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Like burning at the stake? I like mine medium rare and non Catholic.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “Recéde satanam’”OMG You are a hoot!

  • FLL

    That schmuck was your ex-husband, I’m told.

  • Maria

    Oh, so you’re the voice of reason on this site? Interesting. Defender of all things snafu.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “another highly educated individual” Oh please, didn’t you use to call yourself Anastasia?

  • Maria

    Oh, please. Are you trying to say that a woman is equal to a man? Any fool knows that in order for a woman to be equal to any man, she would have to be dragged screaming backwards down twenty five steps of a ladder to be equal to a man.
    Pope Francis I–Congratulations. May God Bless your Papacy!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    LOL!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Give that girl a fan and some salts!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    You realize that faggots are sticks of wood and were used to burn women and gays at the stake.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I saw Karl Rove in an Austin bath house. But it was pretty steamy.

  • Maria

    It’s nice to see another highly educated individual posting on this intellectual site. I was getting worried there for a minute. The US Gay activists are the leaders in bigotry and intolerance.

  • FLL

    Maria, I search for you everywhere, but you flee from me! OK, maybe a more light-hearted tone will win your heart. Why doesn’t Jesus eat M&Ms? Because they fall through the holes in his hands. Better? Now how about joining me for a cup of coffee at Starbuck’s. Don’t worry, I won’t tell Maggie Gallagher that we’re ignoring her boycott. Starbuck’s has really good coffee.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Many are cracked but can be made hole.

  • Maria

    Latin Americans are liberal on gay rights? Have you ever traveled outside of your city, state, country?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Give it a rest. We heard you the first time

  • Maria

    Like France, for instance?

  • Maria

    That’s how you pick your friends too . . . as well as where you can post your idiotic comments.

  • FLL

    Maria! I’m searching for your delightful presence everywhere on this thread! What, I haven’t been gallant enough? I’ve left you directions to Home Depot and even a video of male lions in Kruger National Park in South Africa?

  • FLL

    Maria, Maria, where art thou?! OK, so you might have missed the directions to Home Depot that I gave you. Just do a search for “Home Depot” and you’ll find my directions downthread. But I have to give you some good humor while you’re looking, right? OK, here is a video of male lions in the wild at Kruger National Park in South Africa: Here’s the link. Now on your next vacation, I want you to go to Africa and let all those male lions know the evil of their non-biblical ways. Watch out, though. Historically, lions have scored rather high.

    Lions: 10
    Christians: 10

  • Maria

    That’s because you’re an idiot.

  • Maria

    So, what do you read for fun? I think you’re obsessing–as in hysteria.

  • Maria

    I think one of my surgeon friends pulled a bag of that out of some poor schmuck in the OR. Guess you were allowed to keep it.

  • Naja pallida

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  • Maria

    Well actually everyone talks everywhere about the infantile behavior of the weird gay people. We were kind; we were generous; we tried to be understanding–and you attacked that kindness. As a group, the gay activists are nasty, manipulative and deceptive. They attack religion, family, home, morals and decency. They push corruption into family shows and I don’t know how your families reared you–but none of you has any manners and I’ve yet to see any representative from the gay activists hold a civil discussion without frothing at the mouth like an animal.

  • jb1111

    The Prince of Lies!!

  • jb1111

    Obama and the Bath Houses of Chicago.

    Google it.

  • FLL

    “There is no science supporting your statements.”

    And there’s no intelligence supporting yours, but you’re “hate-is-moral” routine is good for a few laughs. I guess I should use that holy-holy type King James English when addressing you to make you feel all biblical and everything, right? OK, I’ll give it a shot:

    Get thee hence and go to Home Depot. Thou shalt buy some large nails and a couple of two-by-fours therein, and then shalt thou go crucify thyself. Thereby, shalt thou become like thy Lord.

    How’s that? I’m just trying to make you feel at home. What would you do without me?

  • jb1111

    Many are Called, but Few are Chosen.

  • Maria

    Do people often tell you that the effect you have on them is that their skin crawls?

  • Ninong

    What about the Swiss guards’ uniforms? Do you think they’re sexy? I don’t know why but I have always thought those uniforms were sexy.

  • jb1111

    The Prince of Lies!!

  • Maria

    Wow.

  • Maria

    Progressives are morons. You are a progressive, I can tell.

  • Maria

    2,000 years. Remember BC means Before Christ and AD means Ano Domini–In the Year of Our Lord.

  • Maria

    So, how long have you been such a drawoc? I’ll bet you were a complete moron in high school. Then you meet people who accepted you–the jerks and you happily ran with them because you’re gutless.

  • FLL

    In your comment above, you claimed that we all “know” that same-sex relations are immoral, and that acting out on them is evil. I’m sure you keep that information under your hat. You certainly wouldn’t feel free to share that opinion in the workplace, in a school (other than a “bible” school), in the armed forces or even in public venues, such as restaurants and theaters. So who is really in the closet? You may continue to use the “Internet Closet for Religious Basket Cases” because the moderators here are tolerant and have a sense of humor. As others here will verify, I appreciate humor too.

  • Maria

    Fire does purify.

  • Maria

    Recéde satanam

  • Maria

    Although these people are on the left, they don’t define the left. On the left are some very, very good, kind liberals.

    These people are not the same as our traditional, rational liberals. Rather, these people are extremely elitist, radical obstructionists and anarchists. They ignore scientific studies and call themselves “experts;” their men are misogynists, their women misandrists;

    their techniques are double innuendo, deception and flat out lies–if they’re caught in a lie–they engage in ad hominem attacks.

    They lack any moral compass and justify all their actions as a “right.” They read nothing. They are largely uneducated outside of a particular field and ideology and for all intents and purposes because they lacked any conviction or basic principles to live by, they fell prey to popular ideological indoctrination. Now they feed off of propaganda because they never took coursework hard enough to hone their mind’s ability to reason analytically, so they do not recognize it.

    They can no longer think coherently because they weakly allowed themselves to be forcibly indoctrinated and gave up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes to accept contrasting regimented ideas because they didn’t have the guts to stand their ground.

    I think they need their own name: we’ll refer to the people who fit this profile as the drawoc.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Wow. So much misinformation and ignorance, I could spend an entire evening wasting my time trying futilely to rectify your appalling lack of education on European and Middle Eastern history, as well as the scientific method. But then my gin and tonic would go warm and there are far more useful things to do with my time.

    If you believe being a gay or lesbian person — and living without shame as a gay or lesbian person, having relationships, raising a family — is inherently a sin worthy of eternal damnation, you do not belong on this blog. Trust me on this. If @Skeptical Cicada gets wind of your posts here, we’ll have to bring out the buckets and mops.

    Help yourself from the bag on your way out. We have plenty.

  • Maria

    There you go. Take the easy road. No struggle, no problems, no character, no integrity, no honor, no reward. No thanks.
    Freedom does not exist without responsibility.

  • Maria

    The Crusades is the name of a particular series of wars.

    The Spanish Inquisition was political.

    The witch hunts were caused by people with hysteria (also Briquet’s syndrome) and the innocent accused were executed by the secular society.

    There is no science supporting your statements. Anyone can have an urge or desire–following through knowing it’s immoral (based on logical reasoning—did you learn logic?) concretely is a massive failure in one’s ability to determine right from wrong. To further justify the action by blaming others for one’s own inability to exercise self control is evil. To indulge in an activity and knowingly bring harm to another and choose to do it, is also evil.

    Evil as I’m sure you’ve heard exists from your goddesa, is usually associated with the person of Lucifer aka Satan.

  • Ninong

    Yeah, they were in such a hurry to beat Fox that they got it wrong. So did Fox, but that’s par for the course with them.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Well, that’s CNN for ya. So eager to be first to say something, they don’t care whether it’s true or not. Remember when they said PPACA’s (aka ‘Obamacare’) health insurance mandate had been overturned by SCOTUS?

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    If everyone knows what is moral and immoral, why the Crusades and Inquisitions and witch-burnings?

    Sexual orientation is a quirk of biology and neurology, not choice. To insist it is immoral and satanic to be a gay or lesbian person is just plain ignorant.

    The God/Goddess I believe in loves everybody as they are, not as tyrannical men would have us all be.

  • FLL

    We’ll have to take Linda Blair’s classic line from this scene from the Exorcist and reword it for Pope Bergoglio: “Adolf Hitler and Francisco Franco are here with us, Bergoglio. Would you like to leave a message? I’ll see that they get it.” Bergoglio could use a little vomit to wake him up from his neo-Fascist stupor.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Sorry sister I only see the muscle hunks on the Sistine Chapel—-including Supreme Bear, Mr. god.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    The good news is that Pope Fascist only has one lung.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    What fun! Party!

  • Ninong

    He was never officially recognized by the Vatican.

    Hey, here’s an interesting tidbit: ever since that scientific study came out saying that the nails had to be through the wrists in order for the body to remain on the cross without the weight of the body tearing through the flesh, which is what would have happened if the nails had been through the palms, later claimants have presented themselves with wounds through their wrists. Hmmm…

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “If you don’t believe in God” Then you begin the rest of your life free.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    We learned our lessons well from Linda Blair but still need to practice on trolls.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Oh I don’t know, I’ll raise you a Catholic League and put up a Prop 8.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Hey Bishop, your purse is on fire!

  • FLL

    It’s sad that so many Catholic popes (Pius XII, Ratzinger, Bergoglio) have aligned themselves so closely with criminal, murderous Nazi and fascist former regimes in Germany, Italy, Spain and Argentina. The authorities in those countries, as well as in the United Nations, may very well be interested in those connections, so it might not be just “the Left.” It might just be people everywhere with any sense of decency.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    It takes a while for the Vatican to absorb mews.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    But, but Papa Pio had the stig too!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Fortunately he only one lung with which to blow smoke.

  • Maria

    It lives here in these postings. These people’s comments recreate the pictures in your mind of the demons in Michaelangelo’s The Last Judgment–painted on the wall in the Sistine Chapel.

  • dula

    First a Nazi Pope, now a Fascist Pope from South America. Charmed.

    “…a human rights lawyer filed a criminal complaint against Bergoglio, accusing him of conspiring with the junta in 1976 to kidnap two Jesuit priests…”

    Isn’t that sort of like a Kapo becoming the head of Judaism?

  • Maria

    There are three fonts (sources) of morality:
    1. intention
    2. moral object
    3. circumstances

    Everyone knows what is moral and immoral. Knowingly choosing immorality is a mortal sin. Justifying it as an act of love is a Satanic twist to make the choice more palpable to the individual tempted.
    If you don’t believe in God, you have a lot more to worry about than morality.

  • Ninong

    Rachel Maddow just showed a picture of Bel Giorgio and said that Pope Francis and Emeritus Pope Benedict will be sharing the same secretary. That’s not necessarily true because Francis will get to name a new secretary but he is stuck with Bel Giorgio as Prefect of the Papal Household, unless, of course, he ships him off somewhere else, which is highly unlikely as long as Benedict is still alive.

  • Ninong

    Hmmm… Not quite, you see Anderson himself was right there in St. Peter’s Square for the election of Benedict XVI, so he should have remembered that it was on the second day and earlier in the evening. For it to have been 7 or 8 ballots it would have taken longer than two days.

    Either Anderson’s memory is failing or he simply reads whatever they put in front of him.

  • txiconoclast

    Gay marriage a satanic plot? Hmmm….but no thoughts about that gay sauna the Vatican shares space with?

    From the Daily Mail: Vatican in a sweat (again): Catholic Church left red-faced as it emerges priests share apartment block with Europe’s largest GAY SAUNA

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2292016/Vatican-sweat-emerges-priests-share-21m-apartment-block-Europes-biggest-GAY-SAUNA.html#ixzz2NTRRtAzE

  • FLL

    This papal election continues the very deep ties between that the Vatican has with the former fascist government in Spain and its offspring in Argentina. Ratzinger supported the canonization of Josemaria Escriva, the founder of Opus Dei, “an open fascist who served in the government of Spain’s dictator Franco, and who publicly praised Hitler.” (Quote from Rabbi Michael Lerner.) Bill Perdue posted further information downthread with a link documenting the connection between the Vatican and fleeing Nazi war criminals en route to Argentina via the Vatican network. The documentation is well worth looking at.

  • UncleBucky

    Yep, a friend said to me that they, with one guy, satisfied the Italians, the “Americans” (incl. both North and South America), the conservatives (Communion and Liberation conservative lay movement), non-European, anti-abortion people, anti-gay, anti-birth-control, and anti-anti-anti people. A beautiful negotiation. And then the guy names himself after St. Francis of Assisi. Oy Vey.

  • UncleBucky

    Cheap interns. That’s what this is all about. Interns that are payed little or nothing who don’t know how to do research except in google… Sigh.

  • UncleBucky

    Well, so far it seems that he allegedly took it after Frank of Assisi. To me, what I know so far of this fellow does not seem to be at all like Il Poverello or like Jesus at all.

    No, he’s just another creation of JP2 and Ratzie.

    Please consider this. He’s a friend of this movement:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comunione_e_Liberazione#Controversy_and_Politics

    So… Whoop Dee Doo.

  • UncleBucky

    Who’s leaving the RCC? Get in line to process your papers, I think.

    Apostasia Colectiva – STARTED in Argentina…!
    http://www.apostasiacolectiva.org/

    I think that Argentinians will get into line first. That is all those Argentinians who didn’t persecute the Dirty War and related things that Bergoglio ignored.

    Uh oh.

  • Ninong

    You need to see a doctor about that nasty stigmata before it gets infected.

  • billylost

    yep, pope schmope – who cares?

  • lynchie

    Just like the Republicans. Keep doing the same shit that lost them two elections. The catholics keep that good old religion except it is steeped in 800 AD

  • Butch1

    I’m with you there. I just don’t think Mr Ogden’s intentions are for the same critical purpose as the rest of us who come here when he mentions “left-leaning blog.” I too, do not believe in “invisible sky faeries” and have no patience in little old men running around in robes pretending they are important and duping millions of people out of their money, lands and in many instances, countries for over the centuries.

  • Ninong

    Don’t forget the incense, it goes with the drag.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=734862248 Dan Hydar

    It’s sad that so many on the Left spend so much time spewing hate.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    What in the world is bigoted about pointing out the absurdity of a religion, whose main tenant is suffering for an imaginary sky god and evoking the transubstantiation of cannibalism at every mass. Virgin birth and so on. The fabulousity of the Catholic fraud is really quite interesting and the drag second to none.

  • Naja pallida

    It would certainly make for a more interesting Papacy.

  • nicho

    Pius XII was BFFs with the Nazis and Mussolini, not to mention Batista in Cuba.

  • nicho

    He’s alive in spirit. A lot of closet Francoists in Spain.

  • nicho

    Ratzi took the wardrobe — part of his severance.

  • nicho

    You’re right. Thanks.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Pope goes another weasel—no offense to weasels.

  • eahopp

    My Lords! The new pope is a sexist as well? Where is my fainting couch?

  • eahopp

    By the way, how many stories do you hear of Protestant, Lutheran, or other Christian pastors sexually abusing children for decades?

  • eahopp

    It is not anti-Catholic bigotry that you see here. Instead, it is a disgust at the top leadership in the Catholic Church, stuck in a 12th century mindset while the rest of the world has gone into the 21st century. It is a disgust against the hatred that the Church leadership has displayed against gays, women, children, and any sense of progressive reform which the church needs. It is finally a disgust at how the Church leaders have repeatedly protected their pedophile clergy from accusations of sexual abuse to children that have continued for decades–and still continues today. The Vatican leadership is rotten to the core, with a corrupt leadership that will never change.

  • Ninong

    It’s definitely not a new thing under Rajoy, but I could be wrong about it requiring approval of the legislature. Here is something I found from 2005 that talks about this:

    Madrid may cut state payments to the Church
    (“Expatica,” May 30, 2005)

    Madrid, Spain — Spain’s Socialist government may trim public financing of the Catholic Church when it renegotiates a current deal with the Vatican.

    http://wwrn.org/articles/17046/?&place=spain-portugal&section=church-state

  • eahopp

    Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Ain’t that the truth—faggots to the fire.

  • nicho

    I was under the impression that the payment was a new thing under Rajoy. And the PP has an absolute majority in Spain. They can ram through anything they want. There is no meaningful opposition — which is why people are in the streets every two weeks.

  • Ninong

    Obviously the Spanish government has no power to reduce that payment to the church. That would have to be done by both houses of the Spanish legislature. Good luck with that!

    I’m surprised it’s only €13,000,000 a month. In Germany it’s more than €750,000,000 a month (to all churches combined). Except in Bavaria, there are more Lutherans than Catholics in Germany but in Spain the Catholic church is still the largest denomination by far.

    P.S. — Do you remember when Ratzi was greeted by that “gay kiss-in” in Spain?

  • SkippyFlipjack

    thanks! not coincidentally I struggle with ‘president’ too :)

  • Ninong

    I think it follows the same rules as capitalization of the word president. In other words, everybody has a different opinion on it. LOL

    Obviously it’s capitalized whenever it refers to a specific person, like Pope Pius XII or Pope Francis, etc., but not necessarily capitalized when used to simply refer to the title. I can never figure out whether to capitalize president either. It’s capitalized, for example, when you write President Obama but after that I’m not sure. Some people never capitalize it and other people capitalize it almost all the time.

    Here’s what I think. If you’re writing about a specific person that you have already identified, e.g. Pope Francis, then the word pope should be capitalized whenever you write “the Pope” did such and such or the Pope said such and such. But if you’re writing “another pope in his 70′s,” then I think it doesn’t have to be capitalized.

    Does that make sense?

  • MyrddinWilt

    I think there is no question the US is the world leader in gay rights.

    The US is the people, not the politicians who rule in their name.

    With the exception of a few European countries like the Netherlands, there really aren’t many countries that are notably more pro gay rights. And when you look to the activists looking to move the ball forward it is the US in the lead again.

    The US is also a world leader in bigotry. But that is another issue and those sick bastards are dying out faster than they are being replaced.

  • monopole
  • Steve_in_CNJ

    Destroying God’s plan? It’s enough to make you feel drunk with power.

  • nicho

    Gay saunas were all the rage in the Middle Ages.

  • Butch1

    Exactly, and until this can be fixed the church can expect the same tired results. ( no changes on the horizon )

  • cole3244

    you gotta love the catholics, they elect another neanderthal to lead the pathetic followers who will more than likely turn their male children over to the abusers in the hope of being granted entry into heaven, ignorance is bliss in religion land.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    It was his third choice; his first two were vetoed, “Saffron” and “Mello Yello”.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    Great point! Progress, thy name is Francis!

  • SkippyFlipjack

    When you want a person to head an organization that bans women from any position of power, that’s the kind of guy you get.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    What’s with the choice of another Pope in his 70′s? They’re going to have to do this again in a few years; they must really like the food at the conclave.

    I wonder if they worry that a younger Pope (is that capitalized?) would be too progressive so keep picking the oldest ones they can find.

  • nicho

    He’s basically an Italian, once removed.

  • nicho

    They still do love Franco. Ratzi visited Spain twice in two months to suck up to the closet Francoists and get the right-wingers voted into office. The new government, which can’t afford health care or to pay workers, has found the means to give the Catholic Church €13,000,000 a month.

  • samiinh

    Evil lives.

  • jomicur

    Unanswered questions: Did he choose the name Francis to honor the Talking Mule? Did they make the white smoke by burning records of kiddie-rape cases, or just old bingo cards?

  • Hue-Man

    Chances are that any of the cardinals chosen would have criminal connections given that almost all have been appointed by the Polish and German Directors of Criminal Cover-ups and many participated in the cover-ups themselves. “Silk purse sow’s ear” comes to mind.

  • Ninong

    The system is rigged! Every cardinal under the age of 80 who was eligible to vote in this conclave was named by either JPII or Benedict. Neither one of them named anyone who did not share their views.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    First a Pope who was cozy with the Soviet Communists. Then a Pope who was, as a youth, cozy with the Nazis. Now one who was cozy with the Argentinian dictatorship regime.

    Anybody seeing a pattern here?

    Anyhow, it looks like he has the same species of bug up his ass about homosexuality, if not an even larger one than Pope Ratzie’s. Expect no change in any progressive direction from this guy or his increasingly irrelevant and anachronistic religious hierarchy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    Only too true. The guy might have been a murderous military dictator but he stood for traditional values!

  • Ninong

    The US is not yet a world leader on gay rights, but there’s hope in the wind, especially if the Democrats manage to take back the House in 2014.

    However, this new pope is very strongly against the new gay rights laws in South America. Very, very strongly against. Unlike the African cardinals, he doesn’t believe gays must be kept in the closet, but he doesn’t think they should be allowed to marry or to adopt children. He called that child abuse.

    You’re right that they made a move to recognize a part of the world where they are actually growing in membership but I’m sure that they had no intention to recognize gay rights.

  • Ninong

    The Church really, really like Franco, didn’t they? In spite of the tens of thousands of people he had executed after won his unjust war. Or did the Vatican call that a just war?
    Franco’s government made both divorce and abortion illegal under the laws of Spain!

  • Butch1

    What’s surprising is that you come here at all. to comment.

  • RSF

    I’m not questioning that. I’m just questioning the wording in the article that made it sound like the US is a world leader on gay rights. It would be nice if we were, but that’s far from the truth.

  • Butch1

    Don’t expect him to be a light for women or for gays any time soon. He will carry on the same old sexist tradition this tired old church has been known to carry on and they will continue to protect the pedophiles and their enablers like they have before. Changing the pope for this one did nothing but fill the empty suit with another one that brings into the position his sins along with him. Is there one man that can fill this position that doesn’t have a bag full of sins he cannot get rid of? Let’s see just how long this fool can last.

  • judybrowni

    Pope Pinochet.

  • Ninong

    Yes, but Pope Francis is strongly against gay-marriage. And adoption by gays.

  • RSF

    “By wooing Latin America, they’ve wooed a region that’s far more liberal on gay rights, particularly gay marriage, than even the United States.”

    What’s with the “even” in that sentence? The US is behind the curve internationally on gay rights. There are many, many countries that are far more liberal on gay rights than the US.

  • http://twitter.com/OGrady_Texas Mary O’Grady
  • Ninong

    Probably after St. Francis Xavier.

  • http://twitter.com/DanielReasor Daniel Reasor

    @Paul K. Ogden: I’m on the side of Catholic children and their families. Whose side are you on?

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    Maybe he’s more like Francisco Franco.

  • eahopp

    So now we have a gay-hating pope who is happy to conspire with the Argentine military to kidnap Jesuit priests who opposed the military junta? And he replaced the previous pope, who was a Hitler Youth member? Am I detecting a pattern here, as these popes and cardinals have fascist, authoritarian beliefs, and a complete disregard for human life or human suffering? This is even worst than the same s#$&, different pope.

  • FLL

    During the Argentine junta’s dirty war in the 1970s, the junta military would dump the bodies of their victims far out to sea, over the Atlantic Ocean. This pope is human refuse–the scum of the earth. How fitting that, although the U.S., France and Germany don’t yet have nationwide marriage equality, Argentina has had nationwide marriage equality since July, 2010. This pope is most likely held in contempt by most of his fellow Argentinians. The last in a long line of papal douchebags. Will someone please prosecute him for collaborating with the 1970s junta? An Argentine court? The United Nations? Anyone at all? Thank you, in advance.

  • MyrddinWilt

    Don’t confuse anti-Catholic Church from anti-Catholic.

    None of us have anything against members of the church. What we object to is the bigoted statements of their church officials and their attempts to intervene in politics.

  • Bill_Perdue

    Wherever you look the roman cult has deep interconnections with Italian and Spanish fascism and Nazism. That continued after the war. “Gerald Steinacher, a research fellow at Harvard University… (compared) lists of wanted war criminals to travel documents… The documents – which are discussed in Steinacher’s book Nazis on the Run: How Hitler’s henchmen fled justice – offer a significant insight into Vatican thinking, particularly, because its own archives beyond 1939 are still closed. The Vatican has consistently refused to comment. Steinacher believes the Vatican’s help was based on a hoped-for revival of European Christianity and dread of the Soviet Union. But through the Vatican Refugee Commission, war criminals were knowingly provided with false identities.” Guardian UK 04 25 2011

    Argentina was one of the favorite destinations for SS and other criminals after the Red Army, with a little help from the US and it’s satellite states destroyed the German Reich. “Ratlines were a system of escape routes for Nazis and other fascists fleeing Europe at the end of World War II. These escape routes mainly led toward havens in South America, particularly Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, and Bolivia. Other destinations included the United States, Great Britain, Canada and the Middle East. There were two primary routes: the first went from Germany to Spain, then Argentina; the second from Germany to Rome to Genoa, then South America; the two routes “developed independently” but eventually came together to collaborate.” Wiki

    In Transatlantic Fascism: Ideology, Violence, and the Sacred in Argentina and Italy, 1919-1945 by Federico Finchelstein he that Argentine nacionalismo was not the wholesale imitation of Italian fascism that Mussolini wished it to be. Argentine nacionalistas conflated Catholicism and fascism, making the bold claim that their movement had a central place in God’s designs for their country. Finchelstein explores the fraught efforts of nationalistas to develop a “sacred” ideological doctrine and political program, and he scrutinizes their debates about Nazism, the Spanish Civil War,
    imperialism, anti-Semitism, and anticommunism.

    Watch the video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcO2OSHyWM

  • MyrddinWilt

    Would it be too much to hope that he would follow grandfather Alexander VI?

  • Ninong

    Anderson Cooper is now claiming that no pope in recent history has been elected in only 5 ballots. He said it usually takes a minimum of 7 or 8 ballots and no one has been elected in 5 ballots or less in a very long time.

    Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI (Cardinal Ratzinger) was elected on the 4th ballot!
    Wrong again, Anderson.

  • dcinsider

    What a crock. New Pope, same message.

  • ofvoid

    You think you’d notice that during an open house prior to lodging an offer. Loved how they played the, “Ooooooh, so that’s what *that* is down there!” card.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    You’ll notice that there’s not any hatred towards practicing Catholics; it’s the bigotry of the leadership that people have a problem with. I suppose you’ll just see what you want, though.

  • Sweetie

    The wise thing to do would be to abolish the papacy.

  • Ninong

    What new direction? Every cardinal in the conclave was named by either JPII or Ratzi. It will be more of the same.

  • Sweetie

    It is safe to assume that, from the point of view of CNN’s execs, questioning Christian mythology isn’t good for business.

  • Betty McG

    That did make me laugh. His parents emigrated from Italy. Maybe the Bishops feel he can bring in more money and less complaints.

  • Ninong

    CNN continues to insist that Bergoglio is the first non-European, except that they now say “except for Peter, the first pope.” Peter, of course, was from Galilee. But CNN continues to ignore the 6 popes from Syria and the 3 popes from Africa. Nobody at CNN knows how to google.

  • Sweetie

    progressing us right back to the Middle Ages… with the exception of the gay sauna downstairs

  • Sweetie

    The church reaps what it sows.

    — former Catholic (me)

  • Badgerite

    I was raised Catholic and the first time I ever experienced genuine anti-Catholic bigotry ( as in ‘they are worshiping him” -sneer- because the cardinals kissed the ring of Pope Benedict ) was from a protestant, Nugent-loving, gun-toting right winger who agreed with everything the Church would say about gays. You don’t really know what you are talking about when you say something like this.

  • Sweetie

    “I’m watching CNN and Anderson Cooper is talking to a lot of excited foreigners/Catholics. It’d be interesting to see if he talks to anyone who admits that the church has done a lot of damage and needs a new direction.”

    unlikely

  • Indigo

    That’s a fact and a half!

  • Zorba

    When the Catholic Church stops displaying its own bigotry (not to mention breathtaking hypocrisy) and starts moving into the 21st Century, then maybe there will be less ant-Catholicism. Before you criticize the mote in our eyes, by the way, remove the beam in your own eye. It’s in the Bible. You could look it up.

  • Indigo

    The Pope is Italian (and hiding out in Argentina)!

  • Ninong

    I’m a little surprised that CNN hasn’t corrected their claim that Bergoglio is the first non-European pope yet. You would think that they would have fact checkers who know how to use The Google. Both Wolf Blitzer and Anderson Cooper have made that claim more than once and they have yet to correct themselves. Oh, well…

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    It’s rather a clever move, actually, picking as his papal name the name of just about the only Catholic saint everyone still respects. Cue the Donovan music!

  • lynchie

    Remember we are not all catholic. the breakdown is worldwide: the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the
    distribution of religions as Christian 33.39% (of which Roman Catholic
    16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim
    22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha’i
    0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01% (2010
    est.).[1]

  • MyrddinWilt

    Hitler murdered approx 10 million people and started a war that led to the death of another 20 million. The Junta was responsible for approx 30,000 deaths.

    So don’t say that the Catholic church is not improving, they have reduced the number of murders committed by the Pope’s political allies by three orders of magnitude!

  • Betty McG

    Vatican City is tiny and unlike Monaco and other small countries Vatican City has Embassies all over the world. Those of us who live in North America and Europe usually see them as Churches. But each of those churches claim to be sanctuaries that are not ruled by the countries they are located in but answer only to the Vatican. And I have found it unsettling that most Catholics will claim their allegiance is first to the Vatican and second to Country. Not that the US is worth…oh…never mind that, but it is unsettling to me that people would blindly follow the pope over common sense or common law. And I never thought to try and fact check but way more money that most countries although if anyone knows the actual financial status of the Vatican they aren’t going public with it.

  • lynchie

    They could not find a pair of red Prada shoes that fit

  • Naja pallida

    So, do you suppose he chose the name Francis after St. Francis of Assisi, and will decide to live his life in poverty, or did he choose it after St. Francis Borgia, and act more like a Borgia?

  • ofvoid

    So anti- gay, contraception, and abortion. This guy’s progressive as fuck!

  • http://twitter.com/OGrady_Texas Mary O’Grady

    I was wondering whether they were having trouble talking him into putting on the pope suit. Maybe white is not his best color.

  • Ninong

    There have been 217 popes from Italy, 17 from France, 13 from Greece, 8 from Germany, 6 from Syria, 3 from Africa, 2 from Portugal, 2 from Spain, and one each from Galilee (Palestine) (Saint Peter), England (Pope Adrian IV), the Netherlands (Adrian VI) Poland (John Paul II), and most recently, Argentina (Pope Francis).

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    Half of us probably are Catholic, or used to be, so we get to hurl as much vitriol as we like.

  • Naja pallida

    Seems to me that being a zealot is sort of a requirement to become a cardinal. Considering it’s not a position of merit, but a position granted to those who are best at toadying to the Pope.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremy-Gordon/1423005919 Jeremy Gordon

    New face, same tired and archaic ideas.

  • judybrowni

    But Monaco doesn’t influence the United States Congress, and you can bet your bippy, the new Pop will try his damndest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.k.ogden.5 Paul K. Ogden

    It’s interesting to see all the anti-Catholic bigotry on here. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by that from a left-wing blog.

  • judybrowni

    Good luck with that.

  • theophrastvs

    “Francis”?… sounds kinda gay, doesn’t it? [wink]

  • SkippyFlipjack

    Also matters because the people he’s in charge of work very hard to influence our presidential election.. ‘No Communion For You!’

  • SkippyFlipjack

    That’s not all that convincing — Vatican CIty is tiny, and I don’t pay attention to who’s elected to run Monaco or Turks and Caicos.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    Then I hope they pick a nice one :)

  • Ninong

    CNN is claiming that the new pope is the first non-European pope. That’s not true. Syria is not part of Europe.

  • Carl Gorney

    I thought as much. As Homer Simpson would say….”D’OH!”

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Yeah but he’s a nut. We wrote about him the other day. Thinks pedophilia is a white thing.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    She was kidding :)

  • Carl Gorney

    Memo to Lisa: Hypocrite much? Are you REALLY telling us you don’t want the right to vote? That you want to take yourself back to the 19th century? (Or are you just pulling our legs, mine included?)

  • eahopp

    Maybe the delay is due to the cardinals forgetting to fully vet their new pope?

  • http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/ Kelvin Mace

    If it is Scola, “Corleone” would be more appropriate.

  • http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/ Kelvin Mace

    My bet is “Pope of color”, so they can claim to be moderate, but he will be a zealot.

  • Betty McG

    As a non-religious, it matters as the pope will be head of state of the Vatican.

  • Drew2u

    As they avoid paying taxes and enables pedophiles, it matters to society at large what a room of old men blowing smoke do.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Probably. But you’d still think the controversy would be interesting.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Oh, it does matter, because they’ll still be influencing national and local politics in a desire to screw with your life.

  • Drew2u

    A $2-bill says Anderson Cooper’s all fluffer.

  • Ninong

    Probably Angelo Cardinal Scola, Archbishop of Milan, who might take the name Leo XIV. We’ll see. Stay tuned.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    Does this matter to us non-Catholics?

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    I hope, but don’t expect

  • A_nonymoose

    My wife is Catholic, and this is a big deal to her; I hope they chose wisely.

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