Man allegedly shoots couple to death over dog poop

In all fairness, dog pee was involved too.

And actually, while I mock this, I’ve found some dog owners to be incredibly obnoxious (as a dog owner myself now, I interact with them more).  These are same people who are rude drivers, rude walkers, and rude on the phone to you when you call them up for customer service.  Well, then they go home, get a dog, and they’re rude with their dog too.  Such as in this case, where they allegedly let the dog pee on their balcony, and the pee would run through onto the balcony (and presumably head) of the man below.  That’s a bit gross.

Not that I’d pick up a gun and kill them, which is what the elderly man in this story allegedly did.  But I know the frustration of having incredibly rude neighbors. I think my favorite rude neighbor was the architect who was in the apartment next to mine and would get up at 4am for work and blast her stereo to help her wake up.  Even after asking her to stop, she wouldn’t.  I killed her in mind more times than I can count.  Such are the times when you really don’t want people to be armed.

Man with gun via Shutterstock

For far too many Americans, guns and violence are a fetish. Via Shutterstock

And thus the flaw overall in the NRA’s “we arm the world” argument.  People don’t become more sane when they have a gun. If anything, they become more belligerent and more self-assured.  And if they have a gun, they’re tempted to use the gun if the right (or wrong) circumstance arises.

As a country, and a people, we have a violent streak.  A self-assured, selfish, me me me – dare I say, a-hole – streak to us.  Men probably have it more than women, but it’s there in a lot of us.  Republicans, like the folks on Fox News who blamed Mr. Rogers for creating a generation of “takers,” as Paul Ryan calls them, fail to understand that a lot of the “I want it all, I deserve it all” crowd are Republicans.

Before, they had the threat of a lawsuit every time their hot coffee was actually hot.  Now they have their guns.

Think about it.  Do you find the gun nuts any more amenable, friendlier, sane, cool-headed than the public at large?  Hardly.  A lot of them are quite the opposite.  There’s a bravado there that, if anything, suggests these are the last people who should be armed.  Yet, they’re the first.


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  • Butch1

    Ha! Makes sense to me.

  • Zorba

    Way back when we were young, we had some neighbors in our apartment building (they were sub-letting for the summer) who played loud rock music at all hours, especially very late at night. Meanwhile, Mr. Zorba and I had to get up early to go to work and graduate school. We asked and asked, politely at first, and then not so politely. The loud music would stop for a day or two, and then it resumed.
    Finally, Mr. Z. got sick of it. Every morning while we were getting ready for work and school (and the college-age neighbors were apparently asleep), he would take our record player (yes, this was back in the Pleistocene when there were actually “records”), shove it against the wall, and blast his record of Scottish bagpipe music until we left. (A relative had given it to him, because they are of Scottish ancestry. We never thought it would come in so handy!)
    After a few days of this, we never heard their loud music again.

    I highly recommend Scottish bagpipe music. ;-)

  • Butch1

    Has anyone ever heard of the invention of earphones? . . .sigh . . .
    Because her normal working day happens to be turned around didn’t give her the right to impinge her life on others and force them to adapt to her schedule. Perhaps, in her own cocoon she thought the sound didn’t travel outside of her walls. Some people are unbelievably dense in apartment buildings and condos. They do know the rules before they move in about when the music is to be turned down and then “off.” The earphones would have taken care of the situation had she been thinking.

  • Butch1

    Thanks. Many people are just plain inconsiderate of others and really do not care. The fact that they pound back and create more noise shows one that. Road rage is another example of when a person feels secure in their vehicle ( or in their apartment or behind the safety of a computer ) they will pull stunts they would think twice about doing if the person was standing in front of them and could respond by punching them back in the nose.

  • Steve_in_CNJ

    Had a downstairs neighbor in Boston who played loud organ music in the wee hours. Organ music! WTF!? So I bought one of those indoor trampolines and “exercised” a little when I couldn’t sleep. Found out later that she was videotaping soap operas and playing them back after her late shift.

  • Naja pallida

    Whatever Fox Noise dictates is analogous to dog poop, so it’s really just more of the same.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-Johns/560646789 Brandon Johns

    Nevermind Mrs. BeccaM here, she doesn’t even know her internet history apparently.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Not saying it’s the only cause, not by a long-shot. Seriously, there’s something deeply soul-sick with the American culture.

    But I do think overcrowding contributes. We hominids aren’t genetically predisposed to live in hives.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    My wife and I are neither of those things. We just like our privacy and our space — and most of all, the quiet — and have long since come to recognize we get along best with our neighbors when there’s a little distance.

    I recall an old Robert Frost poem about good fences making for good neighbors…

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Too true.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Just went to that site, it doesn’t say anything substantive about the case. Watched the trailer too. I’ll have to google around.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    Exactly. They’re their worst argument.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    First was nice. Then banged on her door, on the wall, complained to management, and she finally moved. Had another neighbor who was similar. People are jerks. They very often don’t respond to anything. So it’s a wonder some of them get shot. I don’t condone what the man did, but if I were on his jury I might acquit, depending on the facts.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    That’s quite interesting, actually. I’d never thought of that. Too many people in too close a space. Hmm…

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    You should see her house. If that’s anti-social isolation and nutcase survivalism, I’ll take it :)

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    They’d have shot her today.

  • Phil

    My dear late grandmother had the right idea. Rather than kill anyone, she took a shovel, scooped up the poop and carried over to the responsible neighbor’s house. Grandma rang the doorbell and when the offender opened the door, grandma took the shovelful and smeared the fresh poop into the woman’s carpet with the shovel and walked away while the woman stood there and cried. And no one was killed or injured. You just don’t see creativity like that anymore.

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Dog shit… mentally ill… right-wing talk radio… Rush, Sean, Glenn… the coming Apocalypse… Rapture me up, my Lord when the coal is depleted?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Dog poop today… whatever Fox News dictates tomorrow?

    Even though it ain’t Halloween, bring em’ on!

  • http://musephotos.wordpress.com/ GarySFBCN

    Oh, for the love of all things good in the world, anti-social isolation and acting like a nutcase survivalist isn’t the solution. And there are hundreds of millions of people in the world who live in close proximity and they don’t shoot each other. Our American culture is the problem. And guns. Make them illegal.

  • http://blogvader.tumblr.com/ Blogvader

    I used to walk past the neatest garage in KC (the KC Public Library Garage built to look like giant books on a bookshelf.) and it had a nice green lawn around it that the local homeowners destroyed. That really frustrated me, but wow, I have to say I might be angered to the point of violence at the repetition of behavior like that which you describe here.

  • Guest

    I still want Ted Nugent to be first in line.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Hey John, remember that email conversation we had a few weeks ago about our new place in the New Mexico countryside? Having enough land around the place to keep what neighbors there are around here well beyond arms-length was one of the top reasons we chose the place we did.

    This tragic shooting, and all the stories people have about awful neighbors reminds me of the old experiment where too many rats are put into too small a space. Even if there’s enough food and everything else, eventually they go nuts and start attacking each other.

    I strongly suspect we humans aren’t meant to be too crowded in for too long, not in general, and our overpopulation is truly not a good long-term survival strategy. Or to put it another way, the more of us there are, the crazier we hominids seem to be becoming.

    The crucial element is lack of control over our personal space and environment. The less of it there is, the more people turn to things that give them the illusion of control — and one of them is guns.

  • nicho

    Yes, please stop adding fuel to the right-wing propaganda fire. The McDonald’s case is not what Fox News wants you to think it is.

  • MyrddinWilt

    Hang on a second, I can think of a way that sequestering the mentally ill would greatly reduce gun violence.

    Just need to send the men in white coats plus a wagon load of straightjackets down to NRA headquarters because it is abundantly clear that everyone of them is dangerously mentally ill.

  • Butch1

    Now, I am curious. How did you get your neighbor to stop playing the music at 4:00a in the morning, John? ( We used to have a very loud speaking neighbor who talked constantly on the phone for hours in the middle of the night when we lived on Lake Michigan in Chicago years ago. I would finally take a broom and pound the handle on the ceiling for her to stop and she would just stomp on the floor and continue talking all the louder. We complained to the manager and she was silent for awhile, then it started all over again. When she was finally pointed out to us on the elevator once, she turned out to be this tiny little old lady. Ha! I envisioned her to be this huge, massive woman. ) What did you do to silence your abusive neighbor?

  • Guest

    Yup. And, the ultimate irony is that, if these guys got the kind of police state needed to keep all the “mental defectives” out of circulation, they wouldn’t have their guns either.

  • 2patricius2

    “There’s a bravado there that, if anything, suggests these are the last people who should be armed. ” I think that is the nub of the matter. When I hear the people who get upset whenever anyone says they shouldn’t have assault weapons, when they parade around with weapons slung across their shoulders, when they threaten to kill anyone they think will come to take their guns away, I think those are the people who are not responsible enough or stable enough to be trusted with such weapons. Their very manhood and sense of self worth seems to be encapsulated in their guns.

  • OtterQueen

    Are you referring to the McDonald’s hot coffee case? Please watch this before you refer to it again: http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “the solution to violence is to identify and sequester the mentally ill.” The Rockefeller Foundation sponsored extensive research on the subject—called Eugenics. The Nazi’s adopted the research to identify, sequester murder nearly 8 million people as a result.

  • Steve_in_CNJ

    I think you’re on to something here. The people who are too dangerous to have weapons of mass murder are exactly the people who want them.

  • Guest

    I don’t know whether that was intended to be ironic or not, but, considering the source, I suspect it wasn’t. And, if it wasn’t, it perfectly illustrates the reality-challenged universe gun fanatics live in. Without a gun, it’s unlikely the “grumpy old man” would have been able to kill anyone. So, the gun is hardly irrelevant. It’s Exhibit A. And yeah, gun fanatics have suddently become infatuated with the idea that the solution to violence is to identify and sequester the mentally ill. Would that psychiatry had such predictive abilities so as to be able to identify in advance who among the mentally unbalanced would commit a violent act and who would not. If you believe that it does, you’re delusional. So what are you going to do? Lock up every grumpy old man (in which case, I would suggest that Ted Nugent should be the first to go)? No, sorry. The reasonable measure we can take is to keep guns away from grumpy old men.

  • beemer

    The hell it’s irrelevant. Grumpy old men become much more dangerous when able to fire eight shots.

  • guest1

    The gun is irrelevant, a man killed someone over dog poop, talk about a grumpy old man

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