Louie Giglio, revoked benediction pastor, releases another statement

Pastor Louie Giglio, who was going to give the benediction at President Obama’s inaugural until ThinkProgress discovered that Giglio had said some nasty things about homosexuality, including that it’s a sin, that it can be cured, and that it’s a “malfunction.”

As you can imagine, Malfunction-Americans weren’t terribly thrilled about yet another anti-gay bigot appearing at yet another Obama inaugural.

In the ensuing uproar, Louie Giglio was suddenly no longer giving the benediction.

The Presidential Inaugural Committee released a statement implicitly criticizing Giglio, and Giglio released a statement slamming certain gays and their “agenda.”

Tonight, Giglio released another statement.

louie giglio kicking out the door

Kicked out via Shutterstock

I was suspicious enough when I saw the Inaugural Committee issuing a snippy statement about Giglio – it’s not the kind of thing you do when you part on good terms.  Rather, it’s the kind of thing you write when you try to get someone to make amends, they refuse to, so you fire them.

Now that I’ve read Giglio’s latest statement, I’m all the more convinced that Giglio didn’t pull out of the benediction voluntarily.  It’s increasingly sounding like he got a little help out the door.  Here’s the first sentence of his latest statement. It’s also the most telling, in my view:

Though I was invited by the President of the United States to pray at his upcoming inauguration, after conversations between our team and the White House I am no longer serving in that role.

He didn’t write that after the conversation with the White House they mutually agreed that it was best for him to drop out, or that after they talked he thought it best that he withdraw.  Rather, he gives us a rather mysterious “I talked to the the White House, and then I was no longer giving the benediction.”  To me, that reads: I was fired and I’m ticked.

Oh, and Giglio is upset that we’re intolerant of his intolerance:

The issue of homosexuality (which a particular message of mine some 20 years ago addressed) is one of the most difficult our nation will navigate. However, individuals’ rights of freedom, and the collective right to hold differing views on any subject is a critical balance we, as a people, must recover and preserve.

Louie Giglio is free think gays have a malfunction that he can cure.  And we’re free to tell him to take a hike.  Religious bigots have an awfully hard time dealing with the concept of mutual free speech.  They love the idea that they can say whatever hateful thing they want.  But then they get very upset and confused when someone gives them a piece of their mind in return.

I can’t prove that the White House told Louie Giglio to take a hike.  I’m simply reading tea leaves.  And the tea leaves I’m reading are making me more and more pleased about how the White House has handled this issue.

I wasn’t pleased that Giglio was selected in the first place.  It was a huge oversight, considering past history.  But they fixed things fast, and to our satisfaction.  And that ain’t nothing.


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  • Call Me Ishmael

    You sir, are a complete and total idiot.

  • infidel

    what’s wrong with “genetic malfunction”? what it has to do with dehumanizing?
    I’m afraid we are entrenched to much in the ” feel good” culture. I’m happy enough to admit that I have some “genetic malfunction”, whether it’s my diabetic tendencies, my insanity (one psychologist told me), my sexual preferences. It’s all about human nature, evolution, I’m not excusing myself, I know I’m not the best creation, but still I can accept that. It’s all about psychological maturity and stability because I have managed to overcome my inferiority complex. I even have come to terms with bigots as just another “genetic malfunction”. Nature is just a complex dynamical system, ever evolving with according to the intrinsic laws of nature …

  • DJ

    Boy, you guys have no idea what you’re talking about concerning evangelical Christianity and its beliefs about sexuality. Why don’t you try rationally talkng with someone who disagrees with you on the issue instead of just name-calling. There are so many people who are extremely hypocritical–calling people who disagree with them “bigots” while making bigoted comments about deeply held religious beliefs.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    LOL! Sorry, bigot, but I won’t be bullied into validating your anti-gay bigotry any more than I validate anti-Semitic bigotry. Go lick your wounds and pretend to love people by insulting and defaming our very existence.

  • Saddened

    Reading through all of these reactions, it is interesting to note from whom most of the hateful sentiment is spewing.

  • Don Chandler

    There is a view that when we left the jungle as animal, we became god’s children. One might say it was 6ooo years ago. All those pre-abrahamic faith peoples started collecting ideas as to what it meant to be god’s children. Homosexuality didn’t make sense to those ancients. Nor did eating shell fish. Women probably had their hands full bearing children and making a home. Men were hunting and defending the community. Not hard to see how men became leaders of the community. And how they would protect the position of leadership. They made books of morality and laws of life and designated roles. Eventually, it became known as a bible or torah or koran…and over time, like an android operating system, it fragmented. And one shard is held as the word of god by Evangelical Christians.

    Nowadays, it’s a much different world. We have so much more than those animals that came out of the woods–knowledge and material wealth. We can now see that homosexuals have played a significant role in human civilization. And that women can be leaders. And shell fish can be eatin’ with care. But these evangelicals don’t accept evolution or the existence of dinosaurs. We can’t expect them to change, just diminish. And they are dwindling. And they are scared. And they should be: they are living in the past. Even Pat Robertson recently told evangelicals that dinosaurs did exist and that the earth is not 6ooo years old and he also said he knew such a statement would be controversial. This is pretty funny to most of us. Because how could the issue of homosexuality be so difficult? It isn’t. It’s only difficult for those that have issues with fossils.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    When that bigot made false and defamatory assertions about how sexual orientation is a choice, he was speaking universally, not just to Christians, bigot.

    And cut the sanctimonious condescension. It is not “difficult to hear” myself, my character, my two-decade relationship, and my very existence as a human being insulted and defamed by a raving bigot. It is infuriating and unacceptable.

    Your hero is off the inaugural dais. Get over it.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Maybe you could stop being too stupid to know the history of how the words “arsenokoitai” and “malakos” have been manipulated, now to target gays.

    You don’t pay more taxes than my two-income, highly compensated household. Given that I’ve had a partner for two-decades, it’s unclear why you imagine I will be dying alone, broken and disappointed.

    The 1950s called, and they want their ignorant assumptions about gays back.

  • MMag

    How can people say he’s anti-gay? In that same sermon, Louie talks about how homosexuals are greatly loved by God. Louie is a pastor who, in that sermon, was presumably speaking to Christians. I imagine that he does indeed think that homosexuality is a sin, but I also believe that he was preaching to Christians, not Americans in general. I understand that there are homosexual Christians out there, so that might be fairly difficult to hear. However, what a shame that something again has divided our nation. Way to go, America! Conservatives have overwhelmingly been criticizing Obama and liberals (isn’t the inaugural committee bi-partisan) while others, presumably liberals, are criticizing a pastor and falsely accusing him of hating gays at a moment in time when he has been instrumental in way more “good” than the average American (i.e. is work through Passion to abolish modern slavery). He’s NOT running for office but simply attempting to lead and love his congregation.

  • Max

    So we are okay as long as we read from 1 Cor 13, but we must not believe 1 Cor 6 (it’s a letter by the way, not a book of quotes). Maybe you guys could examine the papyrus, codices, and other texts that we’ve embraced over the centuries and tell us which passages hurt your licentious feelings. Perhaps a book burning? Take our children (I have 2)? Meanwhile, as you applaud from the bleachers at our departure, who is going to pick up the slack for all the widows, orphans, trafficked, and poor we care for? You? Maybe you’ll venture to Africa and Asia to quell the Orthodox explosions there. We pay more taxes, own more property, have more children, and don’t die alone with a trail of brokenness and disappointment in our wake. Good luck.

  • JN

    The invitation to Louis Giggliio to give the benediction at the second
    inaugural of Obama has been rescinded one day after it was announced due
    to a sermon he gave 15 years that is very anti-gay equality. This is
    old news by Internet standards, but nonetheless here is a link to
    MSNBC’s Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell who rips a new piehole for
    Gigllio for his ignorant use of the bible, and even Obama for swearing
    on a bible which contains many passages Obama hasn’t the least intention
    of believing. Even flat-earth x-tian churches don’t stone or burn
    so-called violators.

    Swearing on bibles is total theater meant to impress the gullible.

    The
    use of the bible as a lie detector or truth enforcer is ridiculous as
    we all know. Many people swear oaths on bibles but still perjure
    themselves, which should the lies be serious
    enough and provable, the liar is charged under civil law not
    theological law.

    If you don’t want to listen to all of the clip
    just start at the half-way point. O’Donnell winds up to a perfect
    conclusion about the falsity of bible “logic”.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755883/ns/msnbc-the_last_word/#50428897

  • Stev84

    Unfortunately, he is not alone in that fundamental misconception. The whole American media landscape is build on exactly that fake “balance” these days. And the entire society seems to think that all opinions are equally valid and deserve to be heard. It’s why there are so many crazy people in power and/or with lots of followers in America, while they are marginalized in other countries.

  • FunMe

    You need to go suck on something big. LOOOOOOOOOL
    How’s that “change” industry going for ya? haha!
    You are a laughing JOKE … and hey, thanks for the laughs!
    Yes, we are laughing AT you! LOL

  • FunMe

    “I’ll pray for you” … LOOOOOOOOOOL Tolerate your intolerance. Haha!
    You are mental!
    Now stop it before I pee in my pants laughing at you!

  • FunMe

    Oh another one. You gueens are like cockroaches. More come out, and more LOLs …. as we laugh AT you!

  • FunMe

    rick: LOOOOOOOOOOL Stop it, you’re killing me while I laugh AT you!

  • FunMe

    Tolerate your intolerance. LOL

    Move along. I can’t be laughing at you all day in this post. Haha!

  • FunMe

    Is_freedom_free?, you ignorant slut! go have sex with Rick. Your ‘opinions’ are so hateful that they will NOT be tolerated here. But hey … thanks for the laughs! We are laughing AT you!

  • FunMe

    Run along bigot, you’re no good for anything here other than LAUGHS.

    Yup, we’re laughing at you! LOL

  • Skeptical Cicada

    There is more than a “dodginess” to his statement. It is carefully written to avoid disavowing a single word that he uttered in that virulently bigoted sermon, so his whining about it having been 15 or 20 years ago is entirely irrelevant..

    Your also missing the entire dimension of the dysfunctional relationship between the gay community and Barack Obama. Among his very first acts as president-elect in 2008 was to take an anti-gay bigot who had just successfully crusaded to overturn marriage equality in California and to put that bigot on the inaugural dais. It was a massive “fuck you” to the gay community, many of whom had given him campaign funds beyond what we could afford and worked very hard to get his precious preening ass on that dais. And any objection from us was met by a tidal wave of “shut up” and “get under the bus, faggot” from other Democratic constituencies who weren’t being ask to endure their own debasement. That one incident set the tone for the hostile relationship between the gay community and Barack Obama for at least two years. And the very idea that he would turn around do exactly the same thing again in 2012 triggered a explosion of fury. And this bigot’s words were even more dehumanizing than the last one’s were.

    I did not follow your link, nor, I suspect, did many others. Having been condemned to hell by Christian bigots in the most vicious terms for our entire adult lives, some of us couldn’t care less about the self-absorbed “struggle” of heterosexual Christians to decide whether to deign to acknowledge us as human beings. Some of us stopped giving a damn what they and their church think years ago. We have no intention of continuing to debate the legitimacy of our own existence so heterosexual Christians can decide what they think about OTHER PEOPLE’S personal lives. The absence of any significant inveighing against premarital heterosexual fornication tells us all we need to know about the self-centered hypocrisy of the heterosexuals who are “struggling” with us. If they want to sniff disdainfully at my monogamous commitment of two decades while the majority of them screw like rabbits in heat before, outside, and after their “marriages,” they can have at it.

  • rovibo

    Why is there a need for religious wackos/hypocrites to be part of any inauguration IN THE FIRST PLACE?

  • arcadesproject

    I thought Atrios said it best when he said, and I paraphrase: But where do they even get these people in the first place?
    Yeah, it’s good he’s gone and that is not nothing. But where the hell do they get these people in the first place?

  • Stev84

    You don’t need even know what “love” means, so don’t use the word

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    Thanks. We’ll probably see them before we see your spam flag.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Right on! I have no intention of respecting anti-gay bigotry any more than anti-Semitism.

  • http://twitter.com/mattschaar m@

    Excellent response, thank you.

    I should have phrased my original question with a bit more detail: my curiosity around the backlash is not associated with the message he gave – I strongly, strongly disagree with all that he said. It’s more the fact that he stated those things 15 years ago, and I know all of us could shake our heads at our past selves from such a long time ago. I’m sure I do.

    Don, everything you said, I align with. 100 percent. And it seems like the core reason behind your frustration, and others that have responded, is that Giglio’s words from so long ago were never accounted for, or rescinded, by him. Even after re-reading his letter to his church, there’s a dodginess to it.

    Over at Christo-centric Prodigal Magazine, Sammy Adebiyi penned an article that has provoked a lengthy discussion regarding the church’s stance on homosexuality. It’s quite apparent that those sitting in the pulpit are conflicted, confused, and in many cases offended by the sheer bigotry that exists in the church today. Don, a lot of the commenters seem to touch on the very point you made: less focus on behavior, more focus on community, fergodsakes.

    http://www.prodigalmagazine.com/jesus-called-me-the-n-word/

  • http://blogvader.tumblr.com/ Blogvader

    I’m glad that Americans didn’t decide to simply defer to segregationists, slavers, misogynists, or other hatemongers simply because ‘it’s their opinion’. The long and short of it is, if we decide we’re going to allow these people to unaccountably spread their hatred, millions of Americans end up lesser citizens for it legally and socially. It’s unacceptable.

  • ronbo

    Since when did we change our Constitution to “the Agenda”? Are you praying for America also?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Let’s ask Matthew Shepard about knocking at Heaven’s Door.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Is bending a knee at a glory hole a sin? God bless

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Yep, and notice DM, that Mr. Jesus left your room a long time ago.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I try, but am not very successful. I’ve lived too long to play nice with bigots. But be aware that the Cicada has a mighty mighty bite at times and, to that I can relate

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Well said!

  • Don Chandler

    The notion that gays can be cured is wrongheaded. We are born gay. Giglio is at odds with science and our experience. To help you understand, how would you like it if a person said, your opposite sex attraction can be cured…. You would think, “Is this person crazy? Why would I want to cure my heterosexual outlook?” if you actually want to understand, try and find empathy. Use reversible arguments.

    I think the problem with some of these “religions” is that they are obsessed with homosexuality to the point that they forget the important aspects of their religion: like getting along with people and community.

    If you must see it as a culture war, in the end, if gays win, the fundy’s still exist. If the fundy’s win, gays perish.

    The world isn’t a perfect dichotomy of man and woman.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    No, you do not understand ‘our’ anger. And yes, you are answering your own rhetorical questions.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    spam flag

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    pppffffttt

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    I’m guessing he gets his science books exclusively from Regnery Press.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “Some of my family & good friends are homosexual, & I love them NO LESS: Except that you would deny them civil rights and condemn them to hell. That’s like a Nazi saying some of my relatives are Jews, but have to go into the camps because they are against the state and are criminals.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “Your job is to wrestle with your fleshly desire”. When I was younger I did exactly that—-about three times a day. But in these later years, about once a week. Living on Social Security I can’t afford that many socks.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Oh God please give me a Mercedes Benz.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Must be a Mormon—-feel baptized yet?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Or that hot swarthy, sweaty, bearded Jesus dude.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Plus, we get the added great joy of choosing by recognizing our true identity.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Bats eyes, has facile little smile and then asks, most humbly: “Where did I show hate or ignorance? Please explain.” OK, see this middle finger pointed in your direction? That’s the explanation.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    ROTFL

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “You can choose to believe the bible or not”—-NOT. discussion ended.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “a valid viewpoint”—-that’s where you went wrong.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    This isn’t a political correctness issue. This is the old same old: “Love the sinner and hate the sin,” or I must hurt you for your own good.” Bigot Christianists think battering syndrome is a a form of
    proselytizing.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Well done!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Yes, your bad. Go stand in the corner.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    ‘Like someone threw a wet blanket on a flame.’ If you had used the word ‘flamer’ I’d give you the snark award of the year.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “who we don’t agree with on a number of issues.” I imagine the Jews considered such pap in the aftermath of the Warsaw Ghetto.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Remembering that Voltaire lost his head.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    A one whine troll.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Give it a rest Bigotina.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    ‘Wow, I crack myself up.’ Ah, that explains it, I thought so.

  • ronbo

    We covered this in medical school back in 1983. Perhaps your “biology” book should be more than the homeskool notebook your Mom gave you.

    True, “Hate” is perhaps too strong a word. Let’s go with ignorance. For example: “The problem is that most “scientists” are really just religious folks with a bias towards atheism.”

    Pray to find God’s love in your heart, NOT to change others to meet your ignorant demands.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    The only point you have is the one on the top of your head.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “The goal is not respectful dialogue in the midst of disagreement?” When it comes to anti GLTBQ hate speech—-NO—-you got it sweet pea.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Bullshit. I don’t have to ‘respect’ an opinion that threatens my identity or person. To hell with that. It is YOU that have totally missed it.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “the POTUS is dignifying his hate in any way.’ Clinton gave this two-face activity a national face. Obama and his crew are either indifferent or incompetent.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “What the hell is there to navigate?” Let’s start by showing bigot Christianists the last lane to the Rapture-hell and enjoy the exodus from the bleachers. I’ll bring popcorn.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    LOL!!!! The idea that sexual orientation is chosen isn’t even a matter of contention among scientists. The debates devolve around genes and prenatal hormones.

    It absolutely is science versus your religion. Your religion stupidly teaches that gay sexual orientation is a volitional choice. Science gives that idiocy no counsel.

    I’m amused at your careful wording too. Funny how you didn’t claim that there are “many homosexuals” who have turned themselves straight. There aren’t.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    I’m laughing at your pathetic resort to childish rhetorical tactics.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    LOL!!! Do you find that smug condescension helps convince people in other contexts to tolerate your defamatory personal attacks on their character, morals, relationships, and very existence as a human beings? Poor, bigots. They so crave having their bigotry validated by their victims.

  • rick

    From reading my posts? Where in any of my posts did I write that my “entire purpose for posting here is to demand approval of [my] bigotry”? And again, with the name calling. Wait, are you projecting again?! Shouldn’t you be in school right now?

  • Is_freedom_free?

    great quote, Rick. I’ve had great discussions on these issues in college classrooms. But in some forums, in some places, there will always be those who can’t see they are disproving their own points with their intolerance of others having their own beliefs. It is sad. Thank you for sharing that Voltaire quote. It says it all in a concise statement!

  • Skeptical Cicada

    It’s called reading your posts, moron.

  • rick

    You are an amazingly gifted person who can read the intentions and motives of a person’s heart, especially one you’ve never met. Amazing. BTW, are you projecting again?

  • Skeptical Cicada

    You are perfectly free to spiritually rape anyone you want, just as Mormons are free to involuntarily convert anyone they want.

  • Is_freedom_free?

    Inviting others to wrestle with scripture means to encourage others to read & contemplate the Bible. We are free to pray for anyone we choose, just as anyone is free to love or hate another.

  • Brian2234

    Men are not so weak as you think. They can always
    leave anybody or any place without a pang – if they find another person
    or another place they like better. If they feel pricks and scruples it
    is merely because they cannot make up their mind that the chan

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Your entire purpose for posting here is to demand approval of your bigotry. You’re not getting it.

  • rick

    Your assumption that I crave your approval is as laughable as my assuming that you crave my approval. Unless you’re projecting. Wait, is that why you keep posting? Be honest, are you implicitly admitting that you crave my approval? Wow, I crack myself up. But, at least I can keep my humor about me. Now, show us all how you can’t possibly do that…

  • Skeptical Cicada

    I could not care less whether you spit fire or ooze patronizing condescension when you defame my character, my morals, my relationship, my sexual orientation, and my very existence as a human being. I will not tolerate it, will correctly label it as bigoted and defamatory, and will maximize the social consequences you suffer for it.

  • Is_freedom_free?

    Awesome reply, Adam. I couldn’t have said it better. True Christians should always be loving towards anyone committing what the Bible deems is a sin. Yet that doesn’t mean these same Christians have to openly accept those sins as acceptable behaviors or parts of life, as their faith says otherwise. I am a Christian, & while I believe homosexuality is a sin, I also accept the fact that I too sin every day in other ways. Some of my family & good friends are homosexual, & I love them NO LESS because of it. Some of them are better Christians than I am! It’s too bad so many people jump at the idea of true beliefs. Let each have his own, & be glad we are free to have them.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    To repeat my point once again for the daft bigot, I refuse to tolerate bigoted and defamatory personal attacks on my character, my morals, my relationship, my sexual orientation, and my very existence as a human being.

    Your craving for my approval of your anti-gay bigotry is your problem.

  • AdmNaismith

    Why do we need a prayer on Inauguration Day? and if we are going to waste the time and energy praying, why not ask Zeus to grant us some favor that day? Zeus has a MUCH better track record of granting wished that the extremely withoding and generally dickish (and allowing of evil) Yahweh.

  • ronbo

    Ouch! Are you are saying they didn’t listen to their base or learn anything last time?

    Instead of leading by saying “I will no longer listen to or highlight this bigotry…you are uninvited”, Obama hid from THE moral decision. Measure a man by what he DOES, not his words.

  • rick

    So, your point is that we are both bigots? At least I’m not a hypocrite. Are you frustrated that you can’t get me riled up? Sorry, I try to stick to adult dialogue, not jr. high tactics. But, you can keep trying. It just keeps making my point.

  • ronbo

    My hope is for the whitehouse to use this opportunity to highlight (and give a national spotlight) to the best and brightest our nation has to offer. Selection of individuals who put misguided religion above Science – denying Science, equality and humanity is turning the clock back. How far will you go? If 1955 (anti-gay) is good, how about 1861 (slavery)? Shall we return to the inquisiton?

  • Adam

    Where did I show hate or ignorance? Please explain.

    I’ve cracked plenty of biology books friend and there is nothing in there that “scientifically” proves that homosexuality is a born trait and not a choice. Science is just observing what God created, it is not a god in and of itself. The problem is that most “scientists” are really just religious folks with a bias towards atheism. The battle is not science vs. religion, it’s religion vs. religion. You just put your faith in yourself and your own “power” and I put mine in the God who created both of us. Don’t forget to explain where I expressed any form of hatred, if you’re concerned with the issue of hatred I suggest you reply to the many homosexuals on this site expressing extreme hatred towards Christianity. It’s a sad thing that you are so blind as to not see your own hypocrisy and bigotry. I’ll pray for you as well. Don’t forget there are many homosexuals who have repented of their sin and will now be saved to an eternity in heaven with Jesus Christ. You can have that too, He’s knocking, you just have to open the door.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    “Agenda” is the code speak of professional anti-gay bigots.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    LOL! Nice tactic of smugly infantilizing people you can’t challenge intellectually. Good luck with your crusade of lecturing, judging, and spiritually raping other people.

  • TD

    It’s beyond ridiculous to say that his initial statement was “slamming” some gays and their agenda. That’s about as close to outright dishonesty as spin can come, Mr Aravosis.

  • Adam

    When did I say Louid Giglio was my hero? Also, when did I lecture or judge? It’s clear to me and everyone else reading your posts that you are full of anger and hatred. Scripture is clear that homosexuality is a sin. Your job is to wrestle with your fleshly desires as do I. My desires are different than yours obviously, but most fleshly desires are sinful, whether you are a homosexual or heterosexual. Those are funny terms, spiritual rapist and failure. You are a clever little guy, you must be no more than 15 or 16 years old looking at what you have written here. It’s a shame such a young man is so lost and filled with anger. I will continue to pray for you young man.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    He can’t stop his dick from getting hard when he sees hot guys either.

  • ronbo

    It’s better to focus your prayers on healing your internal hate and ignorance. Better yet, crack a biology book that explains the development of embryo’s in relation to the mother’s hormones that trigger sexual development.
    It’s science. You can bark like a dog; doesn’t make you a dog.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Did I stutter, bigot? I refuse to tolerate bigoted and defamatory personal attacks on my character, my morals, my relationship, my sexual orientation, and my very existence as a human being. I don’t engage in “dialogue” with other people about the legitimacy of my own existence, nor am I some lab rat for your personal study. You’re now getting judged back, just as you have judged. Deal with it.

  • ronbo

    I consistently like your comments and will work to emulate your gentle, yet pointed remarks (it’s my new-year’s resolution).
    May 2013 present and opportunity for you to write professionally.

  • Rick

    So, judgement and bigotry is okay? Even hilarious? The goal is not respectful dialogue in the midst of disagreement?

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Oh, and, hon, you don’t even understand your own hero’s message. Try reading Giglio’s blog. You are called “to invite” others “to wrestle with scripture” themselves, not lecture and judge. You’re not only a spiritual rapist but a spiritual failure as well.

  • NCMan

    you don’t understand the backlash? have you read what he has said about the LGBT community in the past? Do you understand that he has not retracted those statements nor apologized for them? Suffice it to say that Rick Warren made the same kind of comments about the LGBT community as well and he put his support behind the Prop 8 proposal in CA during the 2008 election as well.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Right.

  • ronbo

    Let’s hold off on the celebration. Obama is 2 for 2 selecting anti-gay bigots for the ceremony.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    I can understand your patronizing condescension. Go listen to his hour of virulent anti-gay raving, which he has neither retracted nor apologized for.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    We heard you the first time, obsessive bigot.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Presuming to pray for me without my consent renders you nothing short of a spiritual rapist. Go seek therapy for your smug condescension, bigot.

  • Rick

    Ah, the intolerance of tolerance. I believe it is your side
    who wants to silence a valid viewpoint. The Obama administration said: “As
    we now work to select someone to deliver the benediction, we will ensure their
    beliefs reflect this administration’s vision of inclusion and acceptance for
    all Americans.” …except those Americans who disagree with us – of course
    we won’t include and accept them. Translation: We will tolerate you so long as
    you agree with everything we believe. Is that tolerance? Giglio has a
    viewpoint. I believe he treats people with differing viewpoints with kindness
    and respect. He doesn’t silence them. It seems as though you are of the camp
    that will call Giglio all kinds of names for having a differing viewpoint, and
    you want him silenced. So, who is the intolerant bigot? Voltaire said “I
    disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say
    it.” That, my friends, is tolerance. Not agreement, but mutual respect during a
    disagreement. Not silencing differing viewpoints, but allowing them. Under the
    banner of “tolerance,” you have totally missed it.

  • Adam

    I’ll pray for your soul, you have so much hate in you, you poor thing
    I was never calling the shots, God does and as the bible says, “one day every knee will bow”….including yours. That’s why I’ll be praying for you. So your knee will bow now and not when it’s too late. God Bless

  • http://twitter.com/mattschaar m@

    I can understand your anger, but I can also assure you that I wouldn’t be commenting on this article unless I was really, honestly curious to learn more and understand your perspective so I can further grow myself.

    It’s impossible for me to fully understand the reaction of a community of which I’m no part, yes? It would be like expecting me to understand the black community’s reaction to the Civil Rights Act; yes, I can embrace and celebrate with them, but….I’m white and haven’t experienced said discrimination, so it would be cheapening their celebration. The same goes for this situation: I only have a limited viewpoint based on my experiences, and I want to understand as much as I possibly can.

    I apologize for using words that conveyed an image of hostility. If anything, I’m naive and want to understand more. My position is one that sees Giglio in the light I conveyed, so I want to observe this from another perspective.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    LOL! It’s hilarious to see anti-gay bigots ask for tolerance. Sorry, hypocrites. No. You’re now getting judged back. Get used to it.

  • Rick

    Voltaire said “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” That, my friends, is tolerance. Not agreement, but mutual respect during a disagreement. Not silencing differing viewpoints, but allowing them. Under the banner of “tolerance,” you have totally missed it.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Not blind at all. I have every intention of doing everything with my power to silence your bigoted and defamatory personal attacks on my character, my relationship, and my very existence as a human being. You’re no longer the only one doing the judging, bigot. Get used to it.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Sorry, but this gay man no longer tolerates your bigoted and defamatory personal attacks on my character, my morals, my relationship, and my very existence as a human being. You’re just going to have to get used to the fact that your ignorance, bigotry, defamation, and hatred now have personal consequences for you. You’re not calling the shots anymore, bigot.

  • Rick

    Ah, the intolerance of tolerance. You’re blind if you can’t see that it is your side who wants to silence a valid viewpoint. The Obama administration said: “As we now work to select someone to deliver the benediction, we will ensure their beliefs reflect this administration’s vision of inclusion and acceptance for all Americans.” …except those Americans who disagree with us – we won’t include and accept them. Translation: We will tolerate you so long as you agree with everything we believe. Is that tolerance? Giglio has a viewpoint. I know he treats people with differing viewpoints with kindness and respect. He doesn’t silence them. It seems as though you are of the camp that will call Giglio all kinds of names for having a differing viewpoint, and you want him silenced. So, who is the intolerant bigot?

  • dcinsider

    The problem with your perspective is you operate on a false premise. The false premise is that there are two legitimate and equal sides to the rights of gay and lesbian Americans to be protected by the Constitution. There is no “other side” to this question. Just as there is no “other side” to equality for woman, blacks, Jews, etc. So your complaint that bigots get called bigots when they say or do something bigoted is a bit hollow. The fact that you can’t grasp that concept is the problem with the discourse on the issue. If you think your bigotry is justified then you cannot see how wrong you are, and cannot grasp why so many think you a fool. History will show that you were wrong, and one day your “viewpoint” will be treated with the disrespect it deserves, along with all other of history’s bigots.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    That you cannot understand the reaction of the gay community tells us far more about you than anything else. I could not care less whether you patronizingly “empathize” with us or not. When the man is prepared to retract his virulent bigotry, he has the media platform in which to do so. He has not done so, has he?

    This faggot will no longer tolerate bigoted and defamatory personal attacks on my character, my morals, my two-decade relationship, and my very existence as a human being. Get a fucking clue.

  • Adam

    The bible is clear that homosexuality is a sin. You can choose to believe the bible or not, that’s your choice, but if you claim to believe in the God of the bible and that it is His word, then you also have to accept that a homosexual lifestyle is a sin. I think it’s funny that you use the word “bigot” to describe Louie Giglio and other evangelicals who believe a certain thing. You are actually just as bigoted by having your opposite view and criticizing him. So by definition, we are all bigots. A true evangelical christian should continue to love those who are in sin (including homosexuals), however, if they truly believe God’s word, they will not let that sin go overlooked, just like they wouldn’t let fornication go overlooked between a heterosexual couple. Unfortunately the lines are blurred when certain people and even entire churches preach a message of hatred against homosexuals instead of a message of repentance followed by grace, mercy, and love.

  • NotOutOfContext

    Giglio took to his church blog Thursday to further explain his position to his congregants at Passion City Church in Atlanta.

    “The issue of homosexuality (which a particular message of mine some
    20 years ago addressed) is one of the most difficult our nation will
    navigate. However, individuals’ rights of freedom, and the collective
    right to hold differing views on any subject is a critical balance we,
    as a people, must recover and preserve,” he wrote.

    He asserted that his main goal as a pastor was to love people.

    “I’m confident that anyone who knows me or has listened to the
    multitude of messages I have given in the last decade would most likely
    conclude that I am not easily characterized as being opposed to people –
    any people. Rather, I am constantly seeking to understand where all
    people are coming from and how to best serve them as I point them to
    Jesus.”

    Chad Griffin, president of the Human Rights Campaign, said Giglio’s decision to withdraw was the right one.

    “Participants in the inaugural festivities should unite rather than
    divide. Choosing an affirming and fair-minded voice as his replacement
    would be in keeping with the tone the president wants to set for his
    inaugural,” Griffin said in a statement.

    Giglio represents a new type of evangelical leader who “doesn’t like
    to get involved in the culture war because it blurs the larger points he
    wants to make,” said Michael Cromartie, the vice president of the
    Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington.

    “What I want to remind his critics is he’s not being named to a
    Cabinet position,” Cromartie said. “He was being asked to deliver a
    prayer. All sorts of people deliver prayers who we don’t agree with on a
    number of issues.”

    “It’s unfortunate that this kind of political correctness doesn’t
    allow people who are doing great work to pray at inauguration,” he
    added.

    CNN’s Athena Jones contributed to this report

  • http://twitter.com/mattschaar m@

    I’m sorry, but can someone explain the “issues” you mention? From all accounts, Warren’s prayer was ecumenical and universal in nature.

    On another note, I don’t really quite understand the severe backlash Giglio is receiving, especially given his high degree of recent advocacy for issues orthogonal to gay rights. I listen to his sermons on occasion, and over the past several years not once have I perceived an air of bigotry or hatred. Perhaps it’s an apology the gay community is looking for, in which case I completely can empathize with the frustration..

  • Jonathan

    What baffles me most, is WHY the President would ask a religious man to come pray to their God on his behalf so long as they leave what they believe about that god at home? What’s the point of a benediction prayed to an almighty god, whom the people say is not entitled to his own opinion? It’s all silliness.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    No, it’s bigotry when you call us a “malfunction,” spew nonsense about us having chosen to be gay and becoming straight, and defame our very existence as human beings.

    If you don’t like being called a bigot, stop being one, bigot.

  • NCMan

    Bishop Robinson spoke at the last inaugural 4 years ago. You can be forgiven for forgetting that he was there since they “conveniently” scheduled his speech to end just prior to the beginning of the television coverage of the event.

  • NCMan

    if they were trying to steer clear of the Rick Warren incident of 4 years ago, they would have checked this guy’s background before inviting him to speak and would never have invited him in the first place.

    What you said, should have been how things went this time. The very first instruction the person(s) doing the search for the benediction speaker should have been given was…. at all costs make sure to avoid the same issues we had last time with Rick Warren.

  • http://twitter.com/BrendaTNYC Brenda Tobias

    I know that many will try to educate me. I simply don’t get why in 2013 we are still blurring the lines between church and state. It seems so ridiculously old-fashioned to me.

    http://heresheisboys.com/2013/01/11/one-nation/

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    We’re speaking out against the “other side of the fence”? I won’t do that. I like straight people. My parents were straight. Straight is the opposite of gay. Oh, that’s not what you mean. We’re yelling bigotry, because he said something that was insulting about a group of people due to an attribute of theirs. We’re speaking out because one person said something. We’re not speaking out about an attribute of his, unless it’s bigotry. What possible attributes of his might we be speaking of? He’s a white, Protestand male. So am I. Well I am half Latino, but I was close. This has nothing to do with a group he belongs to. Now follow this: bigotry is saying or doing something about a group of people or any member of that group because of an attribute they all have.

  • S1AMER

    The main lesson from all this: Have all political staffers in the world, now and forever, come to understand the value of Googling first, announcing later?

  • http://www.facebook.com/randyariddle Randy Riddle

    The idea of the acceptance of same sex couples upsets everything about certain strands of evangelical Christianity – it’s all about preserving the role of the male as the head of the household, church and, by extension, every aspect of life, while keeping women secondary. And it’s the realization that political power in this country isn’t going to be the exclusive domain of men and Christians in the future.

  • rmthunter

    Actually, when the gay community speaks their mind, they are an “evil cabal bent on destroying Christian values.” When we criticize an anti-gay bigot, we are “bullies,” “the gay gestapo,” “fascists.” And when we call someone’s bigoted remarks bigoted, we are the real bigots.

    And why should we tolerate people who make their livings doing harm to us and ours?

  • dula

    There are still folks of the mind that African Americans are inferior beings. If they are vocal about it from their side of the fence, they don’t get to speak at the inaugural. That would just be tacky, and most Americans don’t want tacky on such an important day, even if you do. Sorry you feel so left out from decent society.

  • Mighty

    Just a thought but could this be happening because the WH let Rick Warren in the first time and they got backlash from it so they are trying to steer clear of it this time?

  • DM

    It is amusing to see that when the gay community speaks their mind it is “civil rights”, but when someone else does on the other side of the fence it’s bigotry. Hmm, there is something wrong here… And those being shot down because the speak their mind are labeled intolerant. Isn’t that intolerance? Oh excuse me, i’m sorry, my bad, it’s “civil rights”.

  • Badgerite

    Is there a reason why Barack Obama can not have a good old fashioned, ‘can I get an Amen’, ‘am I right about it’, black preacher to give the prayer. I know what he was doing when he choose Rich Warren, but the man was such a downer. Like someone threw a wet blanket on a flame.

  • OtterQueen

    I don’t understand how the “issue of homosexuality” could be “one of the most difficult our nation will navigate.” Gay people have been around for as long as people have been around. Why is it an issue? What the hell is there to navigate?

  • EdA

    “Though I was invited by the President of the United States to pray at his upcoming inauguration,”

    Presumably President Obama considered this guy as being a Southern Baptist who actually actively opposes slavery, but I hope that before an invitation — totally superfluous for a civil ceremony — is extended to someone else, that person’s background is reviewed as not also being actively opposed to accepting the range of diversity in America. I am not suggesting that Bishop Robinson be invited as an alternative, though that would be nice, but one would have thought, particularly since the first inauguration, that active bigots would not be considered.
    Welton Gaddy and Barry Lynn would be great alternatives, but I’m sure that there are other people who claim to be Christian and who also agree with Jesus’ teachings to be found, although, again, why having religious leaders preach at a civil ceremony doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Since President Obama seems to have his heart set on appeasing people who won’t take “yes” for an answer, he could even consider asking Senator John Danforth, who IS an episcopal minister and who, despite being a Republican, does have a sense of decency.

  • Hue-Man

    Towleroad looks at recent polling results, noting “…only 37% of their survey participants believe that homosexuality is a sin. That is down seven points from their last report, released only a few months ago, in September. ” http://www.towleroad.com/2013/01/christian-poll-shows-less-americans-think-being-gay-is-a-sin.html

    Giglio is on the wrong side of this issue because, IMHO, evangelical followers have listened to the avalance of hate, read the ambiguous handful of bible verses rather than blindly following their preachers as they had done in the past, and realized that the foundation for all that hate is weak and, at worst, non-existent. By blaming tornados and earthquakes and the end of the world on the gays, Giglio & Co. have lost control of the narrative much like their hate-filled brethern in the vatican. (I personally doubt that media depicitions of gays and lesbians has much to do with the change in attitude; evangelicals watching The New Normal or Glee – without changing channels at the first whiff of homosexuality – is as likely as me tuning in to watch 100 Huntley Street!)

    BTW, Giglio’s statements are equivalent to the non-apology apologies that we’ve become accustomed to; without a disavowal of his anti-gay statements, I can only assume that he has not changed his opinions about “malfuction”, the giveaway being the use of the word “agenda”.

  • Mike_in_the_Tundra

    I really don’t care what he preaches or what he says in church related meetings. He also may tell his friends and relatives that I’m icky and that my late husband and I were only playing house. If he wants to write a book saying I and people of my ilk are degenerates, so be it. If he wants to go on Fox News and spout his evil, I can handle that. I just don’t want to see him speak in a national forum. I also don’t want it to seem like the POTUS is dignifying his hate in any way.

  • usagi

    Speak for yourself on being satisfied. His replacement hasn’t been announced yet. There’s plenty of time to fuck this up again and worse.

  • http://twitter.com/nilbud Sean O’Nilbud

    This article is a sad indictment of the average reading age in the US.

  • FunMe

    The tide is definitely turning. It is no longer acceptable to be able to spill out hate speech and not expect the people you attack to defend themselves.

    So glad that bigot fake Christian pastor was kicked out of the curb. Let me him continue to put out statements. We’ll just laugh at him even more.

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    And about that door… be careful of the steps as they lead a long, long way down; especially for hypocrites!

  • Steve_in_CNJ

    The blogosphere is full of good suggestions for substitutes. I don’t think the WH reaction to the blowback is inconsistent with a lack of vetting. If they’ve learned their lesson, they will see the suggestions.

  • Don Chandler

    Yeah, this makes more sense than the lack of vetting. Hopefully they will find someone more inclusive with a tolerant past…unitarian or a high priestess or a karma[n]ot.

  • Steve_in_CNJ

    Big difference between Hagel’s “team”, which decided to express contrition (maybe even shame some day) and Giglio’s “team”, which decided to double down. It’s clear they were both asked to walk back their original comments. Things have changed since Rick Warren.

  • Skeptical Cicada

    Cheers for calling out the bigot’s whine for tolerance of their bigotry.

    No, I refuse to tolerate bigoted and defamatory attacks on my very existence as a human being.

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