The hated party of no, says no again, to no one’s surprise

Surprise, surprise!

The GOP – better known as the Party of No – is saying “no” yet again.

Despite failing to win the White House or the Senate, plus receiving fewer votes than Democrats across the country for the House, the Party of No is doing what they always do. Saying no.

You might think that after losing so badly, they might start to realize that Americans really don’t like them – one could say the American people said “no.”

Joe Klein of Time is calling them “drama queens” and he’s right. Saying “no” is all they have to offer (it’s all they ever had to offer). How pathetic.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said negotiations between the White House and Republicans are at a “stalemate” after a proposal by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and White House Director of Legislative Affairs Rob Nabors was soundly rejected by Republicans yesterday.

“There’s a stalemate, let’s not kid ourselves,” Boehner said Friday at a news conference following President Obama’s event in Pennsylvania.

Boehner contended that the White House’s proposal was “not a serious proposal,” and that he’s disappointed that three weeks after he gave a speech saying Republicans would be willing to budge on revenues – but not tax rates as the president has called for — that this is what was offered to them.

“When I come out the day after the election and make it clear that Republicans will put revenue on the table, I took a great risk,” Boehner claimed, adding of the White House plan, “It’s not a serious proposal and so right now we’re almost nowhere.”

We are nowhere, because Boehner and the GOP can’t come up with a single reasonable idea for America. They are as useless as they come.


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  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Job Creators? Libs? What utter, typically misinformed troll scratch Kat Box.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Agreed. Colonialism is a more accurate term.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Mitty trolls on the roll!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Right on CO.!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Mitty trolls are back.

  • nkd

    How about this: The Republicans come to the table with the cuts they believe are necessary. The TeaBaggers are the ones who scream “cut, cut, cut” but when asked WHAT (specifically) they want to cut? ….crickets…..

  • RepubAnon

    We’re saying the same thing – just because it’s silly doesn’t mean it isn’t a counteroffer. (The proper response is to reject it and say something like “either make a serious offer or stop wasting my time.”) My expectation is that a deal won’t be done until after the Bush tax cuts expire – at which point Republicans can vote for tax cuts for just the middle class without breaking their word to Grover. Some Republicans will baulk at not delivering goodies for the 0.1%, but enough of them will probably defect to get the cuts through. If not, 2014 is the year of “Republicans raised your taxes and sank the economy.”)

  • A reader in Colorado

    Oh? Well you accused me of smoking pot and engaging in contradictions without apparently knowing what you were talking about. You deserved an English lesson. If you don’t want the English lesson, don’t be rude and condescending in such a way as to deserve one, but instead, if you want to be insulting, at least work to be precise and on target with your insults, in English.

    Cutting government spending at all as a grand total is to destroy economic growth. Which is to destroy the very means by which to get out of debt.

    And Republicans know it.

    No reputable economists support the notion that austerity (which is what cutting overall government spending IS) works to improve economies. It is ALWAYS destructive to growth.

    That is why proposals to “cut overall spending” are knowingly and deliberately destructive, and the only time to think about doing it is during good times.

    Republicans know it. Obama knows it. They both lie like sailors about it. Both Obama and the Republicans continue to spread known nonsense that has no historical support. Cutting overall spending can do nothing but hurt people, cause mass unemployment, and shrink the economy during a time of economic hardship. And to shrink the economy is to explode the debt.

    SHIFTING spending from one bucket to another on the part of a government may be helpful. But killing grandma to buy the next war doesn’t to me seem economically helpful. At least grandma buys from the local meat market, from time to time. Militaries on bombing missions, not so much.

  • RepubAnon

    Again, the debt limit isn’t the answer, it’s just a cop-out (stop me, before I spend again): pay-as-you-go is the real answer – it just demands personal responsibility and integrity.

  • Dakotahgeo

    Kind of like as useless as screen doors in a submarine, eh? We KNEW that! ;-) The Repugs/TPods are looking to strive beneath the bottom of the barrel… AGAIN!

  • Deano

    Nobody is saying the Bush tax cuts only helped the rich. If thar were the case, Obama would be proposing to end all the Bush cuts. But he is proposing to extend the cuts for the lower and middle class. He is only proposing to end the cuts that disproportionately benefit the wealthy and the expense of the middle class.

  • Deano

    I think you have Obama confused with his predecessor.

  • http://twitter.com/TChes TopCat

    I agree that the best way out of a deficit is a growing economy. We may disagree as to how to achieve that. Thanks for the English lesson. I just moved to this country 9 years ago.

  • A reader in Colorado

    There is no contradiction, you just can’t read or don’t know what words mean, apparently.

    “Indefinitely” does not mean FOREVER. It means indefinitely, that is, for a period of time that is not defined.

    Governments GROW their way out of debt. That is the way they usually do it. And yes, you can run a DEFICIT and at the same way GROW in such a way as the DEBT becomes proportionally LESS. This decreases the relative size of the DEBT even while running a DEFICIT.

    And sometimes they run surpluses – that is, at the end of INDEFINITE (that is, long undefined) periods of adding to a proportionally shrinking debt.

    And by the way, do not confuse me for an Obama supporter, LOL. Unemployment sucks and I don’t think Obama’s been a good president.

  • http://twitter.com/TChes TopCat

    Are you smoking pot? You contradict yourself. “Do run on a deficit indefinitely”, “get out of debt.” Which one is it? The economy sure is fired up under Obama’s administration. Unemployment is down to about 5% isn’t it?

  • A reader in Colorado

    I’d rather charge it to the account of those who refused to pay for the wars they started, since they are responsible for trillions of dollars of it, in addition to the deception of keeping these wars off budget. And those persons would include every Congressperson who started the Iraq and Afghan wars and refused to pay for them. And George W. Bush.

    And learn how modern national economies work, please, before addressing me again.

  • http://twitter.com/TChes TopCat

    Since you obviously have no debt limit, please charge the deficit and debt to your account.

  • A reader in Colorado

    Oh, and yes, most modern governments do run on a deficit indefinitely. Oh, sometimes there are small surpluses, but the way countries get out of their debt is to outgrow them with the increasing size of their economies. Which is why killing employment is worse than the deficit, because it strangles — again deliberately — that main means of dealing with deficits.

  • A reader in Colorado

    I have a question for you: Do you think government is free?

    The Republicans are responsible for the deficit and most of the debt.

    Now they don’t want to pay for the wars they lied their way into (along with far too many Democratic fools going along with the lies).

    And, the Republicans don’t even believe their own nonsense. This isn’t about the deficit. This is about the Republicans attempting to destroy the U.S. government by not financing its operations, demanding nonsense functional cuts while supporting endless tax cuts while unconstitutionally threatening to default on bills the constitution insists must be paid as a way to accomplish the self-same destruction of the U.S. government and its dissolution into the private hands of people who are little different than feudal lords.

    Treason, in other words.

  • Bill_Perdue

    I agree with everything you said except for one thing. I don’t think they’re fascists. zionists are, in my opinion, colonialists who established a terrorist state using ethnic cleansing to steal the land and homes of Palestinians. Their military tactics are vicious and include the use of US supplied white phosphorous artillery shells and bombs in public areas, a tactic even worse than the US use of napalm in Vietnam.

    I can see why people victimized by IDF thugs might find the distinction between fascists and colonialists difficult to appreciate. After all, what is the difference between Dier Yassin and Lidice or Oradour-sur-Glane.

  • http://twitter.com/TChes TopCat

    Do you have a debt ceiling? We need a balanced budget amendment, not limitless debt. Do you think we can run on a deficit indefinitely? “Republicans are deliberately causing the spending cap to be exceeded.” Why doesn’t the president get out of campaign mode and start talking cuts. I would love to hear it.

  • Naja pallida

    That’s not a counter-offer, that will be a supply-sider’s delusion that pretends magic makes the economy work. We can predict now what will be in that “offer”… and it will be nothing what we actually need to make the economy work again.

  • A reader in Colorado

    Using the debt ceiling, Republicans have twice threatened to economically blow up the country unless they get their way. Threatening to destroy the U.S.’s obligation to pay its debts and to default is threatening to blow up the country.

    Republicans are deliberately causing the spending cap to be exceeded in the first place in order to use this threat, using the threat of the country defaulting to get their way by demanding budget destroying tax cuts.

    Putting it in Obama’s hands merely gets rid of a GOP tool for taking the entire damn country hostage to their demands, which they’ve done several times now.

  • http://twitter.com/TChes TopCat

    So… Your taxes go up. Those terrible job creator’s taxes go up. We still have a massive deficit. Now what? #LibsCantDoMath

  • http://twitter.com/TChes TopCat

    How will removing spending caps lower the deficit? Your thinking is bass ackwords.

  • http://twitter.com/TChes TopCat

    What do you mean “If you could read.” Obama’s position is nowhere in this article. Just some writer’s opinion. Obama is still in campaign mode. Why? He won. Why isn’t he in Washington trying to work this out?

  • RepubAnon

    Oh, the Republicans will at some point make a counter-offer… it’ll be written by Grover Norquist and stamped “non-negotiable”. Until then, they’ll posture and see how many up-front concessions they can extract.

  • RepubAnon

    Inaccurate – President Obama has asked to remove the spending cap. This prevents Congress from passing big spending bills and then refusing to fund the programs that Congress itself authorized.

    If the House of Representatives wants to cut spending, let them do so honestly by cutting programs themselves. Republicans pass massive tax cuts, then use the spending cap to force Democrats to agree to cutting programs – and then the Republicans campaign against the Democrats based on the funding cuts that they shoved down the Democrats’ throats. If the Republicans really valued personal responsibility, they’d start taking personal responsibility for their own actions.

  • Moderator3

    Could you provide a link to the info you are citing?

  • A reader in Colorado

    “We asked the Republicans to extend the tax cuts for the middle class, the Republicans said no. Ask the Republicans why they are holding the entire country hostage for pampered rich folks, because we don’t know.”

    Craaaaazy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dave.kraut Dave Kraut

    I read very well, and know what Obama wants. Total control, with no strings. He even wants to be able to spend money without the approval of Congress. Suggest you actually read what he really wants.

  • caphillprof

    Yes, the best negotiating position would be after the wrongly-named “fiscal cliff.” Republicans will be very, very, serious on January 2, 2013.

  • caphillprof

    If you could read you would know that this is not the Obama position.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “zionist bunkerstadt” and “ethnic cleansing” I couldn’t agree more Bill. It is a sickening turn of fate that Israel is neck deep in a fascist international crime and few call it for what it is—genocide. Gaza is one of the world’s largest concentration camps. And, the Obama administration is fully on board with it. People seem to think Israel is some romantic movie called the ‘Exodus.’

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I agree! Bill’s succinct analysis is excellent.

  • A reader in Colorado

    That’s my take on it. We’ll get some version of what Republicans want after much drama and show of resisting the demands of a minority.

  • Mighty

    All I have to say is whatever we do we have to quit letting Republicans hold the country hostage. If they want us to go off the fiscal cliff then so be it. If they won’t raise the debt ceiling then so be it. No more hostage negotiating.

  • A reader in Colorado

    I am, frankly, skeptical of the seriousness of Obama and of the Democrats in general. Whether they actually want to beat Republicans at all.

    We may see whether they are serious at all during the battle, if one occurs at all, to fix the filibuster. If there is some lame half assed nothingness that goes nowhere because of some Democrats joining the Republicans, or some ill forseen event, we will know this is a total setup. Or not (prove me wrong? LOL)

    The Democrats benefit politically from the illusion that the nasty Republicans are tying their hands, at least this is the current modus operandi of the Democratic Party in general.

    They would help the poor and the middle class, you see, and the women and the gays and the immigrants and everyone else, but they just can’t, see? You must be pragmatic and not ask for anything but some lesser version of whatever Republicans want.

    But, hey, they’re trying right? Oh, and getting boatloads of campaign cash and lucrative post elective office jobs and whatnot.

    Perhaps they don’t plan to do anything except extend the Bush tax cuts and cut Social Security and Medicare and are looking for a way out.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Is anybody surprised? Wait until the greatest lesser evil, ever, once again compromises away our
    safety net after a much theatrical appearance of soldiering on.

  • A reader in Colorado

    By the way, this is one problem with Democrats, their insipid and limp member salesmanship.

    Just saying “we want to raise taxes on the wealthy,” or following it up with a wonkish policy explanation about the budget deficit, or merely mocking Republicans for being the guttersnipes they are, literally allows the Republicans to portray themselves as a tragically persecuted minority heroically fighting the good fight for Mr. Small Business.

    If the Democrats actually wanted to win (and I wonder about that, whether they care at all and whether this is just a little dance for the public, as happens so often), the way to be more forceful in a way that would genuinely hammer Republicans is crystal clear.

    You have to play the patriotism or lack thereof card. You have to play it on Republicans, Small Business™, and the wealthy, all three. Say America did them right and now they just want to walk away from America without supporting her in her hour of need.

  • A reader in Colorado

    So?

    Here’s what you do as the Democrats and Democrats, respectively:

    A: For the Senate, fix the damn filibuster. For the main reason that to continue to whine about GOP obstruction without doing one damn thing to fix it when the opportunity presents.

    B: Take a page out of the Republican playbook. Present the same offer, with tiny changes, week after week. Make a show of presenting such an offer, include tiny changes so you can’t be accused of making the same offer. Reject all counter offers due to the Republicans refusing to raise taxes. Insist on raising of taxes as a precondition of any negotiations.

    And just return Republican naysaying with nays of one’s own. Let the Bush tax cuts expire and accuse the Republicans on national TV of operating in bad faith and against America over and over again.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcrEqIpi6sg Moderator4

    Bill_Perdue has been commenting on this blog for several years. You, on the other hand, have been commenting for a week or so. You do the math.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Remember how often Mitt Romney used to brag about not having raised taxes when he was governor of Massachusetts? Only what he did was raise fees to the tune of $500m in his first year in office.

    You’re right: They don’t negotiate in good faith, and the GOPers have learned that on average it’s a winning strategy for them. The Dems are making noises like they’ve learned their lesson, but given they all keep buying into the “fiscal cliff” hysteria, I’m not at all hopeful they won’t cave utterly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dave.kraut Dave Kraut

    I totally agree. Let the people see how much the Bush tax cuts actually helped the low and middle class, by letting them expire and watching the folks that said the cuts only helped the rich, go crazy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dave.kraut Dave Kraut

    WOW…where did you come from ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/dave.kraut Dave Kraut

    I agree totally, make Obama’s 2nd term as productive as his first term.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dave.kraut Dave Kraut

    what offer….to raise taxes by 1.6 trillion with no cuts in spending ?

  • Naja pallida

    I’m sure he only meant revenue sources that come from poor people. Thus far, nothing that actually matters has been even discussed by Republicans. They’ve been dicking around with a million dollars here, and a million dollars there of discretionary spending, yeah, sure, NPR funding is breaking us. but ignoring the giant black holes in the budget that could be fixed relatively easily. Many even without a tax increases, like the drug negotiation/re-importation you mention. Or working to find a way to discourage outsourcing.

    Simple fact is, this modern crop of Republicans will never ever negotiate in good faith when it comes to fiscal issues. So the only option is to not negotiate with them, and to force their hand… but, as we all know, that will take Democrats to not put on their Republican fat suit and dance around Congress.

  • Naja pallida

    Exactly. If they want to reinstate tax cuts for the lower income brackets, do it the day after everything expires. Then it would be even more obvious that you are making Republicans vote against a tax cut for 99% of the country.

  • Naja pallida

    Republicans have no intention of making a counter-offer, nor negotiating at all. They want Obama and the Democrats to cave and sell the house all by themselves. The Republicans know they are itching to do it, and have been a combination of too weak and too collusive to stand their ground on anything for the last decade. In the end, if Democrats move even a little, it only gives Republicans easy political ammunition for the next two election cycles. All that remains to be seen is if Democrats have learned their lesson yet… but I’m not seeing any real signs that they have.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Boehner merely said he’d put “revenue on the table.” What he didn’t say is it was on the table much the way the public option was for health insurance reform, and drug re-importation — which is to say, it was nothing more than words for the benefit of the gullible Village audience. And let’s not forget the GOP counter-proposal back then was the same thing as now: Nothing.

    His notion of a “serious” proposal is MOAR tax cuts for the wealthy offset by massive cuts in the social safety net, along with increases in unfunded deficit-fueled spending on defense, wars, and corporate subsidies.

    Anyway, I remain firmly behind the idea of letting everything expire at the end of the year. Wipe the slate clean, start over in January.

  • ezpz

    What, you think drone loving Obomba and the sycophant democrats will actually cut defense/military spending in any meaningful way?

  • RepubAnon

    The Republicans are taking a page right out of Negotiating 101: mock the other side’s offer, and see whether they’ll make concessions. If they do, you keep mocking them until the other side stops giving you free gifts. Then, and only then, do you start serious negotiations.

    It worked in President Obama’s first term. Alas, the tactic only works once on a reasonably smart person. Once they get wise to the tactic, it merely makes further negotiations more difficult.

    Here, it would seem that President Obama has figured out that the Republicans are merely posturing. President Obama’s next move is to hold a press conference and say “If the Republicans don’t like our offer, they should either make a counteroffer – or admit that the Republican Party does not plan to negotiate.”

  • emjayay

    And it’s the only way ever to cut a chunk out of defense.

  • Bill_Perdue

    At least the Democrats have what it takes.

    They had the gall to steal $700 billion and pass TARP,

    They had the utter stupidity to steal another $7.7 trillion and give it to the looter class who use it to collect interest.

    They have the temerity to continuously grant the zionist bunkerstadt the wherewithal and weaponry the IDF thugs use in their ethnic cleansing campaigns against Palestinians. .

    They had the impudence to betray their promise about the ‘public option’ and to refuse to even consider socialized medicine, the only real form of health care reform.

    They have the hateful impertinence of scabs as they bust unions right and left.

    They have the boldness it takes to gut the Bill of Rights with FISA, NDAA, the murder of American citizens, including a 16 year old boy from Denver, the ongoing torture of Gay/antiwar hero Brad Manning and the Paytriot Act.

    You can bet you last penny the Republicans don’t say no to that.

    Democrats are, at best, Republicans in drag.

  • A_nonymoose

    They need to be taken down — hard. Let EVERYTHING expire. If that means I pay more taxes, fine, so be it. So will the 1%. And let everyone know who’s responsible for it.

  • 2patricius2

    ‘“When I come out the day after the election and make it clear that Republicans will put revenue on the table, I took a great risk,” Boehner claimed, adding of the White House plan, “It’s not a serious proposal and so right now we’re almost nowhere.”’
    What a crock. These idiots took an oath of office to uphold the Constitution, not Grover Norquist. When the first round of tax cuts passed the Senate with the vote of Cheney I wrote “Piggy Cheney cast a vote to make himself more wealthy.” That is what these selfish politicians like Boehner are doing. They are much better off than most of the rest of the citizens in this country – fixed for life with pensions and health care and contacts for jobs. And they can’t put the wellbeing of ordinary citizens ahead of themselves. Obama and the Democrats in Congress need to stand firm (whether they have the spine for this or not) and force these Republicant politicians to dig their own graves.

  • http://twitter.com/chong1950 Simon Chong

    Let GOP drop off the cliff and swept out of congress in the next election. The fiscal cliff hurts the rich’s wallets more than the middle class. GOP is a party of 20 year pledge for no-raise-tax for the rich which are not US constitution nor asking faithful and loyal to the country. Who does GOP work for or loyal to?

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