Gun nuts: Sandy Hook Elementary teachers should have been armed

One of the two largest pro-gun groups in the US, the Gun Owners of America, second only to the NRA, just came out and said that had “gun control supporters” permitted teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut to be armed, the armed kindergarten teachers could have stopped this carnage.

Yeah, one problem though.  As kvetchingyenta points out on Twitter, the shooter “also had a bullet proof vest, and would have taken the teacher down before she could find her gun and shoot him.”  Slight wrinkle in the plan there, eh?  Unless we equip all of our armed pre-school teachers with kevlar, like Robocop.

Here’s the head of the Gun Owners of America:

“Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones. The only thing accomplished by gun free zones is to insure that mass murderers can slay more before they are finally confronted by someone with a gun.” -Larry Pratt, head of Gun Owners of America. (Via Igor Volsky @ Think Progress and Joe My God)

Can you imagine. Elementary school teachers packing heat.

Seriously, through, where would a teacher keep her gun, so she could have stopped the kid who burst into her classroom, guns blazing?  She’d have had to have a holster, or have the gun tucked in her waist at the small of her back, the way all the hot LEO women do it on TV.  And I seriously doubt teachers are going to teach small children with guns hanging from their waists.  So where would the gun go? Between her boobs?

If the gun were at her desk, or in her purse, she’d not have been able to grab it in time if someone walked in firing (let’s face it, first person the shooter would likely go for is the adult).  And how exactly would a teacher keep a gun in her desk or her purse and stop kids from getting to it – I mean, this is a class of 5 and 6 year olds?  She couldn’t keep it in her purse – there’s that “kids are nearby” problem. It would have to be in a locked desk.  But, the lock would have stopped her from getting her gun in time if the guy just walked into the room, gun blazing (guns don’t kill people, locks kill people).

And how exactly does a teacher open fire in a room full of five year olds and not hit one of the kids? I suppose we could arm the kids too.

Or are the Gun Owners of America suggesting that teachers from other rooms should have abandoned their kids and hunted the hunter, leaving their six year old students all alone in the middle of a shooting rampage? The parents would have loved that.

I’m just trying to undersand how armed teachers could have helped in this particular scenario.  The only thing I can think of is a teacher sitting there, gun in hand, huddled with the kids, waiting for the shooter to walk in.  Some scared to death teacher, shaking uncontrollably, surrounded by 25 kids, packing heat.  Good luck with that.

Oh, and AP is reporting that another gun nut opened fire in a hospital in Alabama.

If only the neo-natal children had been wearing reactive armor.


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  • http://twitter.com/Reddy5753 kevin Fuller

    Why didn’t they just say no-don’t let him in. Even with a vest, there’s lots of targets above, & below it

  • http://www.facebook.com/matt.crawford.12327 Matt Crawford

    You will never see this “scrap of evidence” in our left wing media. It is fact that in the Virginia tech shootings a student ran to his car (which is rediculous he should have had it on him) got his gun and helped stop the attacker. It is left wing fantasy that everyone being armed would not deter violence. A vest does not cover a head or leg, not to mention it still hurts like hell to get shot with a vest on. How many mass shootings happen in places that allow law abiding people to carry a gun? Why do you call a cop? He is armed just gets there to late to help. How about the 12 year old girl hiding in a closet who shot the intruder? You lefties are blind and only believe wht you are told.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279212956 Johnny Blade

    So typical of the leftist lemming crowd. How many more people need to be murdered while unable to defend themselves is it going to take before you people pull your heads out of your collective behinds. Can you guarantee that criminals will be unable to acquire firearms? Gun ownership in Mexico is illegal… see how well it works there? More people have been shot and killed in ‘gun free zones’ than have ever occurred where firearms are prevalent. But these are simple facts.. totally ineffective against the mindless stupidity you stick your head into… much like hiding behind the ‘gun free zone’ sign when the nut job shows up to kill you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279212956 Johnny Blade

    what that an armed citizen has stopped a criminal? where have you been looking for this ‘scrap of evidence’ in one of your shoes? a simple web search will turn up HUNDREDS of ‘scraps of evidence’

  • SkippyFlipjack

    “Most people may not realize this, but guns are used defensively to prevent crimes over a million times per year.” OK, let’s see that study. Link?

  • SkippyFlipjack

    ..so it’s probably best if we limit the mass destruction weapons available to that next lunatic, no? Because the idea that a lunatic will be deterred by reasoned analysis of widespread gun ownership isn’t convincing since they’re, um, a lunatic.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    thanks for contributing exactly nothing to the conversation, and in a douchey way too.

  • http://twitter.com/nilbud Sean O’Nilbud

    Wrong

  • http://twitter.com/nilbud Sean O’Nilbud

    You’re a liar and a fool

  • guest 2

    No gun owner in their right mind is talking about marching around taking the law in to their own hands. It would be a better chance for our children’s survival if an armed official were on sight at the schools instead of getting there after the shooting starts. If police officers are so bad at their aim that they are to risky to have on sight for fear they might shoot innocent bystanders, then why bother to call 911 after the fact. Are they just the clean up crew now?

  • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.l.tolle Patrick L. Tolle

    There is that. As a combat veteran I ‘ll testify that despite the gunners wild Bill Hickok fantasies it’s not a natural easy thing to pull down on another human being.

  • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.l.tolle Patrick L. Tolle

    BS on the equalize skill.Most people would be lucky to break glass from inside a greenhouse with a handgun. Where do you all come up with these fantastical scenarios of bare-handed facing a knife? In that instance I’d think the best self-defense would be screaming and running,not necessarily in that order,but no, the gunners have to kill or maim someone to satisfy their definition of “self-defense”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patricia-Puzzo/39708877 Patricia Puzzo

    I’m all in favor of car control. Public transportation for everyone!

    Knives do not kill more people than guns. Here are some actual real statistics from some people who know what they’re talking about: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

    How many mass bombings and attacks by airplane have there been in this country since these two incidents, vs. mass shootings? You will find the latter is far more prevalent. The OK City bombing took months to plan, whereas most mass shootings are relatively spur-of-the-moment incidents by people with easy access to lots of weapons. After 9/11 our government instituted unheard-of levels of air travel security measures. and wouldn’t you know, there have been no more terrorist attacks using airplanes, and people can still fly wherever and whenever they want – they just have to put up with a little more inconvenience and a little less privacy than before. Do the same with firearms and we’ll greatly reduce the number and frequency of mass gun killings.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patricia-Puzzo/39708877 Patricia Puzzo

    So you’re saying even if school staff are armed, they probably won’t be able to stop ALL mass gun murders. No point at arming them at all then, is there?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Or run like hell!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    IE: The murder of two black teen agers in FL.

  • momwhocarries

    My kids would be much safer in a classroom at a school where trained adults can legally carry their weapon on school property. I have a CWP and I am not allowed to carry my weapon on school grounds. I am a law-abiding citizen so therefore I won’t carry on school properly. Bad guys know that. Of course you carry on your person not in your handbag or desk. If you know anything about guns you know there is a whole world of information available about proper concealed carry and keeping guns away from kids. If I were a teacher there, and it was legal for me to carry, I would have pulled my gun out of my holster (on my person) and aiming within one split second of recognizing the threat. I would have aimed for his head (i target practice and I can guess or see he is wearing armor) and I would have blown his head off before he ever killed anyone in my classroom. There, everyone is safe. (Remember, the argument is for TRAINED, willing, people to carry on their person. Not forcing a teacher to carry. Bad guy won’t know who carries, just that it is legal and people are likely doing it.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1596723348 facebook-1596723348

    @mirror: BEAUTIFUL. This is my point exactly.

    And really. If the government wants to come get you, ‘guest’, even an assault weapon won’t stop them. While you’re huddled behind your door waiting for the big bad wolf^H^H^H^Hg-man to come get you, they’ll just send a Predator with a missile to blow up you, your home, AND your second amendment stockpile. Or they’ll drop a laser-guided bomb down your chimney. Or blow your house up with a tank. Or just roll over your house with the tank. Or shoot it into bits with the main guns of a battleship parked off the coast. Or any one of a number of other things they could do if they actually decided to come ‘get you’ (fortunately for you, ‘Gun addled idiot’ isn’t a crime, yet…)

    So, ‘guest’. Go forth and troll no more. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/igor.darkman.94 Igor Darkman

    So we’re going to cut teachers salaries, take away their right to negotiate pay and benefits and then give them guns?

  • http://www.facebook.com/monoceros.forth Monoceros Forth

    I know this is the standard right-wing fantasy but I’d love to see one scrap of evidence that this has ever happened.

  • mirror

    Actually, one obvious logical interpretation of that right would easily suggest a regulation saying that gun owners wouldn’t be able to exercise the right UNLESS they were members of a well-regulated militia. Inertia, and now the gun nut ascendency, has eliminated the well-regulated portion of the Amendment all together and one faction even interprets it to mean a right to create private armies to fight against the government.

    The really sad part here? I’ll bet nothing gets done about guns, but a whole new layer of police state searches and security comes to our schools and institutions. In order to protect the rights of the gun nuts we are going to have mandatory metal detectors and locker searches all the way down to the kindergarten level. The gun nuts will love this as they bounce back and forth like meth addicts in their heads between fear of the colored people and fear of the government. The crazier it gets the more they feel justified. The killing and expanding police state affirms their “end times in the streets” world view.

  • Tired of your shit

    This article is biased, and the author seems like a huge Melvin. Unless you haven’t walked through a city (and not a wealthy part) in the past 30 years, it isn’t hard to acquire a gun illegally. Making it easier for law abiding citizens to carry weapons makes any criminal think twice before he tries to take a life. Switzerland for instance, has the lowest crime rate in the world and EVERY SINGLE PERSON has a rifle in their homes. This bullshit has to end. We need to stop running scared and start protecting yourselves. You can’t wait for the police to do everything. It’s only a matter of time before the next lunatic decides it’s his time to go postal.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Have you?

    And even if you have, do you realistically expect 100% of citizens to be martially trained?

    Guns in the hands of untrained civilians does not equalize. It just results in more mayhem and death.

  • Brandon Van Every

    There is case law in the USA that introducing big money barriers to gun ownership is unconstitutional. In previous decades it was used to disarm poor blacks in the South. Which is a lot of fun if you want to defend yourself from the KKK. I don’t know the details of the cases or how they might be revisited. I will point out, modes of transport aren’t in the Constitution, but guns are. Driving is codified as a privilege; gun ownership is actually a right.

  • Brandon Van Every

    There are no automatic weapons in civilian hands. The “assault” weapons you hear about are semiautomatic. Squeeze the trigger once, 1 bullet comes out. “Assault” is a frequently misused label.

  • Brandon Van Every

    Have you worked on bare handed self-defense against a knife lately? It’s not easy. People who are not martial experts are best served with guns. They equalize force and skill. A difficulty is, most people have no interest in defending themselves. They want to outsource it to the police.

  • Brandon Van Every

    “Well regulated” refers to the militia, not the individual gun owners.

  • Brandon Van Every

    Armed school staff probably can’t do anything about a mass murderer’s first strike in one classroom. Everyone in that room probably dies. But armed staff could keep a gunman from wandering around the school to other classrooms. That is worth considering.

  • mirror

    Wow. Poor guy. Poor us. He’s totally in some other reality and thinks we live in it too.

  • mirror

    Every thread on every blog has multiple more than reasonable suggestions like this, but the gun nuts argue each individual idea would be futile, but when backed in to a corner make clear that they oppose all and any restrictions.

  • mirror

    I fear there is a cult of killing that develops with this whole tactical fetish thing.

  • mirror

    The statistics show that you or someone in your family is a exponentially times more likely to be harmed by a gun you own than that you would ever have a need to use it in self-defense or would be able to get it together to do so. Please spare yourself. Also, this gun fetish thing can turn otherwise fairly reasonable citizens into frightening wraiths who will trade away anything to protect their unfettered access. I know some of them. Please be careful.

  • mirror

    Yes, it really is time to stop with the constitutional right to own guns with no obligations bs, when the 2nd Amendment clearly talks about this being part of a system of “well regulated” militias. “Well regulated” means by the government with … regulations. The current free for all has nothing “well” done about it anywhere.

  • mirror

    The police and the military fall squarely within the “well regulated” part of the equation. People like you think you have to have a gun to protect yourself from Adolf Hitler and become so obsessed with your fetish protective object that you end up wandering the streets looking for Hitler, AND “well regulated” you ain’t. You and what your ideologies and fantasies are doing to our society terrify me more than any punks on the street.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    199 comments, many with much passion, much discussion and I can’t help but sort out the rage of gun enthusiasts who seem to entirely ignore the deaths of 22 children and their teachers, in defending their killing weapons as if they were children, doing so with their cold dead minds.

  • lilyannerose

    Sure, you can arm every teacher in every school in America. What you can’t do is guaranty that they are all hard wired to pull that trigger. Then idiots what do you have? A dead teacher and a shooter with another gun with ammo. Brilliant idea.

  • cole3244

    i have been disarmed, good post, have a safe night and week.

  • DwellingWithGod

    You wouldn’t of happen to attend a public school in the last 30 years, have you?

  • DwellingWithGod

    Ad Hominem! No credible discussion.

  • Larry

    Body armor doesn’t guarantee that you can’t be shot and killed. Rifles will defeat body armor. As will a reasonably aimed shot to the head, groin, arms, legs, will stop the threat. Those without handgun training seem to think that only police are good shots. The reality is that most gun owners are actually better shots than that average Law Enforcement office. The reason? They train more. People need to wake up. Gun free zones are simply killing fields. Stop
    to think about it: Why do crazy people go and shoot up our schools,
    malls, movie theaters? It’s because they know they will meet no
    resistance. The reality is that police are, at best, minutes away. You
    need someone to immediately stop the threat. If one teacher had a gun
    that day, the headlines might have been different. Most people may not
    realize this, but guns are used defensively to prevent crimes over a
    million times per year. We need to focus on stopping the threat and
    start asking why is it that we are such a violent society.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I’m supporting you! But I do love peanuts. When the snark runs out we are lost. Blue is a raving nitwit. No good deed goes unpunished. ( has a sad)

  • blue

    How convienient it must be for you to blind youself to thousands of years of human history for the sake of your anti self defence propaganda. It seems I was right about you. It is in your dark little dream to dissarm citizens so that your authoritahs can once again commit genocide. But, unfortunantly for you and your authoritahs that you so blindly believe in, the trend is not in your favor. Recently in my state, they made it legal to own fully automatic weapons. Clear real life evidence that there are people who do understand the corelation between gun bans and real mass murder that has been commited by your beloved authoritahs over the centuries. What you would most likely watch on tv if you had your way is you and your loved ones being hauled away to one of the authoritahs disposal centers just like Hitler did to 12 million of his own people. Or like Stalin did to 16 million of his own people. Those who don’t remember history are doomed to repete it.

  • lynchie

    You the one with blind faith. Yes there is a secret place where i am working for the disarming of you gun nuts. Then i will take the guns and burn them and make you watch on tv.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Been watching too many Bond movies dude.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    And with considerable skill at that!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    And you can count to one! You don’t chase anyone off moron—disgust maybe, evoke pity certainly but always the laughter of ridicule.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Typical right wing response. Like rape, she deserved it. WTF do you know pea-brain?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Let them be dragged down. How much lower can they go? The sooner the better.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Except in fetid pockets of the deep South or the more fascist prone deserts of Arizona, would teachers even conceive of guns and killing compatible with teaching—same for doctors and nurses.

  • cole3244

    well well another member of the peanut gallery speaks, i’ll keep shaking this tree and see how many idiots fall out.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    ROTFL!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Oh, give it a rest bullshitter.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Spelling by baby blocks I see. “I wonder what that says about you Hmmm ???” Says Lynchie is being more than kind to a sad, pathetic gun troll. Hmmmmm?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Say, like teenager Travon Martin or the kid murdered because he was playing music too loud. The thought of YOU being on the streets is alarming.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    :)

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Definitely, cognition interruptus.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “But to live in constant fear is to not really live.” Bingo! Hope to hear more from you in the future!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “I make no distinction between evil or mental illness.” God help yo mamma, when Alzheimer’s sets in.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    You go! A voice of sanity.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    My school had a ‘gum-free’ sign. Does that count?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Then of course, we must take into consideration the Rapture and make a list of those kids and teachers who are going to go anyway. Thus, liberals will be left behind naturally—that’s God’s plan….so not to worry, we will inherit the earth—what an irony, huh?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I have already applied for salvage rights after the Rapture. It is my sincere hope you are taken up and I can claim the Rolex of yours.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I suspect that most gun trolls on this site are armchair warriors, who have never experienced combat or situations of such dangerous calamity.They are usually the type that show up after all is safe and bask in the bravery. of true heroes. Remember Little Bush and 9/11 Rudy? The sane pro-gun defenders are quite a different type—rational, measured and pro regulation. I believe that we should begin by enforcing restrictions on the number of guns allowed—one hand gun and one hunting rifle, banning all automatic weapons from civilian ownership.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Well, for example: Fluffy the kitty would not die and come back as a Transformer.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “would have found other means.” Like listening to you for more than ten minutes?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I doubt that, but the irony lies in the fact that in order to achieve such results civil rights are routinely violated, democratic rights eliminated and the very principles of Habeaus Corpus made moot. Thus goes the cheering road to fascism. Remember Guilanni? New York is eternally grateful for his warlord rule. .

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Again, your thinking is faulty. The issue is not the ‘millions’ of responsible gun users. It’s the proliferation and accessibility of gun users who are NOT RESPONSIBLE. Got it now? I used to be an NRA member, until I saw the organization turn into a right-wing anti-American militia, which convinced me that it is a clear and present danger to the American people and democracy.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “It’s not the actual use of the gun.” Stop right there stinking thinking. Guns are designed to take life—that’s KILL. All else is moot.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Don’t hold your breath Cole. Or maybe, do hold your breath when Henny Penny runs by you. :)

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Seems like we have figured out who you are. Still running around like Henny Penny screaming: “The Communists are coming.” Time to stop watching old movies dude. Get off the couch, put down the beers and join the real world—-but leave your gun behind.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Pray for em sister.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Exactly so. Good people don’t kill. The argument by the gunists is that one must protect family and self, because they believe in killing—especially animals and it doesn’t take much of a leap to kill people with insane Stand-Your-Ground laws that actually encourage killing, or the ‘right’ to carry concealed guns in a bar. —Just crazy.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I can just see it: Diaper pockets for the Glock.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “and yourself.” Missionary Style,of course

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Let’s start with you. Your Ad Hominem and grits is getting cold.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    You have a good heart. Yep, we are laughing at them, not with them.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    But, but, what about the rights of the parasite?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Oh, hello ‘Dwelling With God” Didn’t know your maiden name was Guest. So, all this is about abortion? You sick F**k.

  • cole3244

    this sounds like someone who is in need of a spell check aka an idiot, if that is unattainable or unknown to you look it up then get back to me.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “then let’s regulate guns like motor vehicles.” Good idea

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    The very though of violating you is repellant. Don’t worry. It won’t happen. Hippocratic oath?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Too late dude, they already work for Wal*Mart and Target.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    OM non G….we were separated at birth!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    I doubt it, but I’ll be very happy to go there.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Not until you shoot down one of your employees, or unless you are a loser business and underpaying your uninsured workers, or force them to eat hipogrits for breakfast. You con-self serve ‘a’ tards are all the same: Closed minded and hateful until someone agrees with you.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    It’s probably because Ms. Dwelling with God believes that since Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, there is always the divine possibility that the slaughtered innocents can be raised if one just believes strongly enough. This is the very essence of ridiculous and dangerous magical thinking. She was probably taught as a child that if Barbie breaks a nail she must undergo Chemo.

  • blue

    I won’t “supply links” because this is not about you Lynchi. This is about those who will do their own research. The ones who don’t opperate from your kind of blind faith in the athoritahs to protect them from dangerous people. You on the other hand, would deny anything I brought to the discussion anyway. For the benifit of those who don’t opperate from the mentality of blind faith in authoritahs, I am inviting them to take a look at history and at how many times the authoritahs first disarmed and the destroyed large numbers of their own populace.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    There you go again with your holier than thou dwelling with god bullshit again. It’s like blaming a mouth for speaking without a brain.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    If they didn’t kill us with guns, it would be bullshit.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    bingo!

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    What a typically stupid transference. We are not talking about police officers or the military. ( in many cases we are ) Self defense arguments like yours are behind stand-your-ground assassinations. Kill any young black kids lately for playing music too loud or standing on your lawn?

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Tha’s true and sensible, but we are Talking about the slaughter of children and their teachers—-specifically. Guns are created to kill—-that’s it in a nut shell.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Agreed! “In the real world that kind of magic doesn’t exist.” Nor does a God work in mysterious ways.

  • blue

    Then like them you are also a eugenisist who thinks there are too many people on earth and about 93% of us should be killed off. Now I wonder what is your problem with private citizens owning guns ? Or is it your hope to be one of the 7% who would be left to kill us once we’ve been disarmed ?

  • blue

    I’m sure that is what you do best.

  • blue

    And yet you still are doging me about my comment concerning propaganda.

  • blue

    Like I said, I’m not your momy. I’m not here to change your di di and make you a ba ba. Do your own research.

  • GeorgeMokray

    Well, I do believe that women who want an abortion and are prevented from getting one should be able to sue the baby for involuntary servitude over the nine months they have to spend as a gestating mammal against their will.

    My own contribution to the abortion debate is not having sex without contraception. How about you?

  • lynchie

    Well you would know you take the NRA propaganda and eat it for breakfast. You can’t supply links because you make up this shit. Wait. You are not smart enough they have to feed you the talking points.

  • lynchie

    No I have been here for years. How much does the NRA pay you to post. The only handler i know is myself. I handle myself a couple of times a day.

  • lynchie

    that’s right. I am the illegitimate child of Lenin. Lenin and Marx are my fathers.

  • EdwardG

    This is actually a perfect time for the Republican party to have an enema, and relieve themselves of all these marginal special interests that are dragging them down.
    Do they really want to explain how it isn’t their fault, and go through all of this tortured logic every time a shooting like this happens? I would suggest that takes them off topic, and distracts them from promoting legitimate conservative ideas.
    This is the time to pass meaningful gun legislation, and get this topic off the table.

  • blue

    I knew you were an anti free trade communist !

  • blue

    Come on Lynchie, I know you’re out there. Are you consulting with your “handlers” about how to deal with me ? How many different names are you using here ? No ! Don’t tell me. It’s more fun if I figure it out for myself. Maybe you “handlers” have told you to lay low for awhile. Oh well, it wouldn’t be the first time I chased the likes of you off.

  • blue

    Better I think to “address” propagandists and what kind you are Lynchie. So, which is it ? Are you cointelpro of just what communists would call a “usefull idiot” ???

  • blue

    Oh good ! Maybe you want me to change your di di and make you a ba ba. Do the research for yourself lynchie. I’m not your momy. It is interesting however that you doged commenting on my point about how propaganda works. I wonder what that says about you Hmmm ???

  • blogmob

    Absolutely right! Adam Lanza’s mother owned a whole bunch of guns and practiced shooting a lot, and it sure helped her! And saved a whole lot of other lives as well!

  • blue

    5. Round up all the “usefull idiots” that are left into slave labour camps.

  • blue

    dfchef49, that’s great. Now you want to violate my fist amendment rights too ! Isn’t it interesting that you are useing your fist amendment rigths to propose the violation of mind. Can you say hypocracy ???

  • lynchie

    you are the proof of effective NRA paying shills to visit here. Give me links the great many incidents.

  • jomicur

    Yeah, let’s keep lots of loaded weapons right where children can get at them. What could go wrong?

  • blue

    Lynchie, I’m not “dreaming”. There are a great many incedents where citizens exercised their 2nd amendment rights and used their guns to repel and stop perpetrators armed with guns. You are proof of the effectiveness of propaganda. They show the facts that uhold their agenda and hide the facts that go against their agenda. That way the propagandists have “plausible deniability”. When the facts that are against their agenda are exposed, they only have to say “Oh, I didn’t know that. I’ll look into it and get back to you”. Then they can let the matter drop for and while and come back with the same tired propagand when the think all of us have forgotten that there are facts cotradictory to their agenda. Then again, maybe you are one of the propagandists !!!

  • jomicur

    So we shouldn’t do anything to stop these awful massacres because it would be inconvenient for you personally? How selfless. How generous. How Christian.

  • blue

    Let’s “speculate” some more. Many would still be as ignorant as you if it wasn’t for the internet.

  • blue

    And you cole3244, sound like someone who is either cointelpro or what communists reffer to as a “usefull idiot”. Please, continue posting and provide me with more evidice so I can figure out exactly who and what you are.

  • lynchie

    Where was your God that day. Oh your dwelling with him. Was it a common law marriage or are you living in sin.

  • lynchie

    Well you nothing to say period. Go play with your guns and yourself.

  • lynchie

    I call bullshit. I love the thinking. I want to kill anyone that can walk but we must protect the fetus. Maybe we should arm the fetus. Baby can come out packing a shoot the doctor.

  • lynchie

    If you don’t like the regulations close your business.

  • lynchie

    NRA false equivalence. Here is another. Ban all bunk beds, kids fall out and break their arms.

  • lynchie

    No we need to address gun control. If you have a gun only one is allowed is a good start

  • lynchie

    who says she was crazy. There are thousands like her. we have a number of reality shows on Preppers who are arming themselves for Armageddon.

  • lynchie

    In your dreams. I think you are the gullible one.

  • http://profiles.google.com/scottgreenhalge Scott Greenhalge

    i don’t want to have to carry a weapon to assure my or my family’s
    safety. that’s the 1860s. this is the catch 22 the gun manufacturers
    have us in, the more they can sell – the more the average person feels
    they need one
    to protect themselves. and so they sell even more. it’s a win win for
    them alone. and the majority of the shooters in the last 19 mass
    shootings bought their weapons legally. so they weren’t ‘felons or
    crazy’ until they went crazy and acted in a felonious manner. the truth is we have
    way too many damn weapons that fire way too many damn bullets available
    too way too many damn people. it’s in the numbers. as a civil society
    we shouldn’t feel forced to be armed to be safe simply because we
    allowed the arms industry to play us all against one another. they are
    using the 2nd amendment to push us to a point of critical mass that they
    know we can’t turn back from. and they aren’t doing it because they
    first and foremost support the 2nd amendment, they’re doing it out of
    self interest, to fatten their wallets. well we need to act in the self
    interest of our children and grandchildren. they shouldn’t have to live
    in the 21′st century carrying weapons as if it’s laredo texas in 1860.
    just my opinion. we have to find another way. godspeed and peace on
    earth.

  • http://bit.ly/SYj39M << Work from home, $15/h, link

    If nations could overcome the mutual fear and
    distrust whose somber shadow is now thrown over the world, and could
    meet with confidence and good will to settle their possible differences,
    they would easily be able to establish a lasting peace.

  • http://bit.ly/SYj39M << Work from home, $15/h, link

    In seeking wisdom thou are wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it thou are a fool.

  • Guest

    Ad Hominem, classic! Apparently you have nothing intelligent to say accept attacking others.

  • Guest

    Apparently there is hypocrisy in your thinking. You allow 6,500 children die per day due to abortions and degrading life by calling it a fetus and feel no remorse but you have a sense of remorse over 20 children? Tell me when a baby has its own heart beat after 18 days of conception and its own DNA, there is no public outcry. Hypocrisy and contradiction!

  • blue

    Please observe also how the news media suppress information about armed citizens preventing bad guys from hurting people. That is how propaganda works. It’s sad in the age of the internet that there are so many gulible people.

  • Guest

    Since you believe that guns are only used to kill people, then I guess we should disarm police officers and the military. Why else would we what to have police officers going around killing people or perhaps you mistaken? Yes, I believe you are mistaking. Guns are used to balance the powers of those who do what to harm you. Police officers carry guns for defense and protection. I guaranteed you will arm yourself when you are threaten with arm robbery, somebody wanting to harm you, etc. You need to think this out. Adolf Hitler disarmed the Jews and then turned out and slaughtered them. Guns are defense for responsible people to balance the power of those nuts who use them for offense.

  • blue

    Please observe also, how time after time the news media suppress stories of events where armed citizens stop these crazies from hurting people. This is how propagand works. In the age of the internet, it’s sad that there are so many gulible people.

  • FunMe

    LOL

  • FunMe

    Love it!

  • FunMe

    Let them “roll” …. I have LOTS of popcorn. Actually this is really entertaining!
    To think, the trolls are getting scared and they are showing that right in front of our noses by coming to Americablog. I freaking LOVE it! :-)

  • FunMe

    CONservatives don’t give a damn about those people who died, just as they don’t care about the woman in Ireland who died for not being allowed to have an abortion (pro-choice exploited her death) They just want to have everything their way.

  • Guest

    The picture of the mother that is emerging is as disturbing as that of her son. See the WaPo story. Withdrawn. Paranoid. Bunker mentality. No trust. Wouldn’t let other people into the home. What the hell was going on here? And why all the guns? It’s beginning to look as if she reaped what she sowed. Why do we let crazy people have access to guns?

  • Guest

    Yeah. Apparently, she wasn’t a teacher. But she was a gun collector and afficionado. With a crazy son in the house. Enough already. It’s much to easy for crazy people in this country to get their hands on guns.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    Person,

    No. Arming teachers is out of the question. There are some 70,000 elementary schools in the US. Outfitting them with easily-accessible guns (and surrounding kids with them) may be a gun manufacturer’s wet dream, but it’ll happen over a lot of people’s cold dead hands.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    She wasn’t actually a teacher at the school — early reports were faulty, Mrs Lanza had no connection with Sandy Hook. Your point is still good.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    Yes, but evil wouldn’t be able to kill 26 people in 15 minutes, no matter how many knives they were carrying.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    As opposed to you wingnuts who are paranoid, angry and self-centered and stay consistent when someone doesn’t disagree with you.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    WTF. No, she wouldn’t. She was in a freaking parent/teacher conference with the family of a 2nd grader. She would not be wandering the halls strapped at all times, and would not have been carrying at this meeting. Take your ridiculous fiction someplace else.

  • IDF18

    Criminals prefer unarmed victims.

  • atalex

    Here’s my counter-proposal: the teachers can just quit. Have every single teacher in the country who doesn’t want to live in fear of a psychopath armed with military grade weapons join in a general strike and shut down public education until we get responsible gun control laws including mental health screening as a prerequisite for gun ownership and a ban on all assault weapons. If vermin like Larry Pratt don’t like it, they can home school their little gun-toting brats for a while and see how they like it.

  • voice of reason…

    This is becoming an emotional rollercoaster! CT has one of the strictest gun purchasing laws in our country and it is very comprehensive. The problem is that the mother, who was the registered owner of the weapons, did not secure the weapons responsibly. It is obvious that regulations need to be changed, but entirely doing away with guns is not the answer… We need to address mental health, bullying and other anti-social issues that have spun out of control in our culture.

  • jomicur

    So, let me get this right. Because “evil would still take place,” therefore we shouldn’t do everything we can to minimize it. Brilliant, just absolutely brilliant.

  • Wesinoregon

    If we are to speculate here, let’s say everyone would still be alive if there were no guns.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    yep, maybe mercy might work, but they have to turn in their machine guns and rocket launchers. :)

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    you are welcome. Come back for more.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    First priority is the safety of the kids. Unfortunately, professional guards are probably the new trend.

  • FunMe

    I was right … the CRAZIES, the NRA nuts, and all the others who have blood in their hands come here when they “think” they convince us of their wrong ways. They only showcase their CRAZINESS and how stupid they are. Thanks! I will continue to laugh AT all of you. Keep it coming, I have plenty of popcorn.

  • FunMe

    You’re crazy. So you select your school based on those with many GUNS and armament? Got it.

    I also understand you. CRAZY.

  • FunMe

    Curious … why isn’t it only lately that the “mental” ones are committing these crimes. Surely they have existed for a long time. No?

    Lax gun laws I’m sure have nothing to do with this (snark).

  • FunMe

    Over 80 comments? The gun/NRA nuts aka LUNATICS must be out in force. LOL
    I love laughing AT them! :-)

  • http://twitter.com/griffin_rick Rick Griffin

    Place another job upon the Teachers and Administrators remember there all evil as the right portrays them. Oh yes, if they should have to carry will they receive additional wages along with their many other responsibilities. HELL NO

  • Phil

    Hear hear. Former CO from the State of Florida. I was told, and believe to this day, that a gun in the house is far more likely to be used against its occupants than an intruder.

  • mirror

    Cars have a useful function in society beyond harming people. The only purpose for the guns being used in these killings is killing people. This is not an accidental byproduct of use. The car comment puts you in the concern troll camp for me. I would have thought cars would have killed more people. Guns killed the same amount of people? Pretty shocking. Yet we have a society that encourages their manufacture, sale, and proliferation….so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

  • Guest

    The problem with this stupid logic is that it assumes the nut-job kid would have been deterred if he knew that everybody in the school was packing heat. Far from it. The kid went there expecting to die. That’s what he wanted — after he settled whatever bizarre scores were tormenting his head. It’s just too easy for crazy people to get guns in this country.

  • DwellingWithGod

    Tony T, with that logic. Then we can sue knife manufacturers for all the violence they cause. If you purchase a knife and it is used in a crime, then you are going to jail! By banning guns you only take them out of law abiding citizens and give an upper advantage to criminals. You will create a black market for guns, resulting in more crime. All countries that disarm their citizens crime goes soaring, do the research. Stop blaming guns when the guns don’t force people to pull the trigger. It is like blaming the car for a hit-and-run.

  • DwellingWithGod

    Ad Hominem attack, classic!

  • PTR81

    So you are saying that a person such as myself, a struggling start-up small bussiness trying to make it in this economy, working very hard, stressing about the extreme gun control/paperwork I have to keep track of every day along with running my business and paying taxes….should be sued now??? You Lib-tards are all the same. Open-minded and loving until someone doesn’t agree with your views. Hipocrits.

  • PTR81

    People,

    We live in the real world here. Banning guns? Only criminals/mentally-ill will have them. It’s true that we can’t expect every teacher to know how to properly use a firearm, and yes, just having a firearm is not like having some sort of magic septor. If some teachers were willing to learn how to properly use firearms for defense, however, this would be the greatest tool against these school shootings. We have to start by getting rid of the laws the prevent the teachers that are willing to take on this responsibility and be properly trained. This brings me to the final issue;

    Teachers wearing Robo-Cop vests? The firearms being secured would prevent the teacher from accessing it in time? The last thing panicking kids need is crossfire????!!!!! This is not sound logic. Typical of the anti-gun media/people, you are not willing to do a small bit of research about firearms and defensive shooting before you start posting such ridiculous statements.

  • silas1898

    Who doesn’t “just want to have everything their way.” ??

    What is the point of having cake if you can’t eat it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001426939279 Carl Kerstann

    By the same token, don’t make the mistake of investing all the evil in the world in guns. Even if they all disappeared tomorrow evil would still take place. Over the past 20 years automobiles have killed almost exactly the same number of people each year as guns. The machine is neither good nor evil, the intent of the user is what matters. I’m all for extremely strict gun control, the way things are now is not acceptable.

  • Freedonian

    @John – Yours is certainly not an uncommon view and I know that the 24/7 news cycle ‘echo chamber’ is mostly to blame for people not recognizing it, but the violent crime rate in the US has actually been significantly reduced over the last 20 years, by a factor of about half. Yes, we do still live in a violent society, but it is improving.

    From the FBI’s 2011 Uniform Crime Report:

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

  • Moderator3

    We can set out tons of troll repellent, but they just keep coming.

  • jenjen64

    But there IS a distinction and statistics show that these recent mass killings have been committed by an individual who was/is mentally ill. I can honestly say that in my 10+ years working as a correctional officer that the majority of men I dealt with were not evil nor mentally disturbed; in fact the percentage of inmates that I encountered who I felt were truly evil, in every sense of the word, was very, very small. Count on one hand small, so to say that there is no distinction between evil and mental illness is plain wrong on all levels, and does a great injustice to those who suffer from mental illness.
    And with this final comment for you, I bid you a good evening, or I’ll never get anything done. Thank you for being civil in our discourse.

  • jenjen64

    Just because there’s a sign that states “School protected by armed staff” doesn’t make it any safer than the one down the road…psychotics and sociopaths are not going to be anymore deterred by a sign.

  • jenjen64

    Well then that just makes your earlier statement null because you said you would choose to send your child to a school that doesn’t advertise “gun-free” because of an assumption that someone’s carrying. Well, the schools my boys attended were “gun-free” and had police and commissioned security on the grounds, so it really wasn’t, just like it was advertised as a drug-free zone and one can safely assume that is not always the case. Bottom line, no one will ever really know if someone is carrying, legally or otherwise, just like no one will ever know when the next tragedy will befall this planet. But to live in constant fear is to not really live. I don’t live in constant fear of my fellow man and have enjoyed the ride thus far. Being in constant fear breeds mistrust and hate and all the other nastiness that goes along with it: racism, sexism, ageism, etc. etc. etc.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    gag troll

  • thinkingworks

    I make no distinction between evil or mental illness.   I don’t care about the motivation of a person who is trying to harm me or my family.    For example, it does not matter if Charles Manson is insane or evil.   Regardless of the motivation, he should never, ever be freed from prison.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    My God you sickening troll. Rolling out Matthew Shepherd as some burning man for your sick hypothesis. Ask his mother and see the pain your loathsome, fathomless ignorance causes.

  • jenjen64

    Or we liberals and progressives are just so darned scary……

  • thinkingworks

    Correction — your kids attended schools advertised as gun-free.   There’s no way to know if kids had guns in their lockers or not.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    She couldn’t interview. It was all guesswork, hiding under that damp rock and all.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Sicko. Liberals celebrate life in all its diversity. Change that truth moniker to ‘deluded.’ .How dare you use that good woman’s death to spew your poison.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    The death rationalists seem beyond seeing the obvious precious pace of life. Fear is their nourishment and be all. Guns are their sacraments.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    hiding behind ‘Guest’

  • jenjen64

    Well, I am a former correctional officer for the state of Texas, having worked in a maximum security men’s prison…and I am a female all of 5’3″ tall. I dealt with the “cream of the crop” if you will, of society. So I know all about evil thank you very much. Not a great comparison, I know, but to simply state that the main motivation behind mass killings is pure evil is not correct. Mental illness is the main factor people don’t discuss.

  • jenjen64

    Both of my sons attended schools in gun-free zones, from kindergarten through high school. I didn’t worry about whether or not a crazed individual would go bust in and start spraying bullets; my main concern was that they were getting the best education and learning experience and they weren’t getting bullied.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Dwelling With God…indeed. You crazed troll. It delusional f’ks like you who keep this insanity on going.

  • thinkingworks

    I agree that armed personnel doesn’t always stop the killing, any more than police in our communities stop violent crime all the time.   But as long as there are evil people in the world, we need to have armed response available.

  • thinkingworks

    Yes — it’s sad, but it’s reality.   We need armed guards.

  • thinkingworks

    I don’t care whether you feel sorry for me.    Let me ask you the question.   If there are two elementary schools a few blocks from each other, and one has armed, trained staff, and is advertised as such, but the other school is advertised as being gun-free, and no weapons in the school, which one will you send your kids to?   I choose to protect my children by sending them to the school where there is armed staff to protect them.

  • thinkingworks

    Let me put the question to you — since it’s possible to rid the human race of psychotic, sociopaths, etc, would you rather your children attend a school with trained, armed, staff, and signs that say “This school protected by armed staff.   Deadly force will be used.”  or the school down the street that says “Gun-Free Zone.  No weapons are in this school.” ??

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    It’s beyond ‘nut’ now, these people are a danger to society. !st step, abolish the NRA. 2nd step, abolish and confiscate all automatic weapons in civilian hands, 3. Make it a mandatory 10 year sentence for possession of an illegal automatic weapon. 4. Send all gun ‘nuts’ to Afghanistan if they want to play.

  • jenjen64

    You also missed my last sentence where I stated that the majority of schools in this day and age ALREADY have trained and armed personnel patrolling the schools and grounds: police and commissioned security. I see it all the time. Still doesn’t stop the crazed individuals from killing.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Just think how we grew up. Now generations are raided in fear, fear, fear. Go ahead raise your kids in a prison of fear and see how that works out.

  • jenjen64

    Then I truly feel sorry for you.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    One of main reasons we have massacres like this is because in order to ensure that sane, responsible, and law-abiding citizens have virtually unfettered access to purchase and carry guns, including military grade weaponry, we have no effective safeguards to keep them out of the hands of the insane, the irresponsible, and the violent criminals.

    Plus we Americans worship violence and mayhem.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    “tens of millions of gun owners who do act responsibly” Nice turn of the subject, but 10s of millions of gun owners don’t murder their mother and children..It is sensible gun owners like you that should support restricted rules.

  • Snarki, child of Loki

    Of COURSE he can read minds! That’s because he’s MENTAL.

  • Snarki, child of Loki

    Clearly, the school principal needs a nuclear weapon in their office.

    It’ll put a stop to this stuff, once and for all.

  • Snarki, child of Loki

    Oh, good idea.

    And, of course those LIBERAL, UNIONIZED teachers will have to make a special “list” of the children with conservative parents.

    Just in case, you understand. Come the Revolution and all that stuff. Feel better now?

  • thinkingworks

    I would feel better having my kids attend a school with some trained and armed staff, than one that has been advertised to the psychos as being a gun-free zone.

  • thinkingworks

    There are more deliberate gun deaths than accidental gun deaths.   The majority of deliberate gun deaths are due to suicides.   It’s not known how many gun-suicides would be alive if guns were unavailable and how many would have found other means.

  • thinkingworks

    I figured you would see the need for a private citizen (Matthew Shepherd) having a gun and using it.
    But when you say “…we’re not mature enough to manage the responsibility…”, you ignore the tens of millions of gun owners who do act responsibly.

  • thinkingworks

    Every gun massacre since 1950, except one, has been in gun-free zone.   Even the Aurora shooter chose the one movie theater that had a no-guns policy.   Not the closest one to his house.   Not the one with the largest auditorium.   The only one within 20 miles of his apartment that had a no-guns policy.

  • Liz Ross

    The armed principal would still be alive. High School Teacher

  • Tony T

    With their logic they are forcing me to pack a gun to protect myself. I don’t want anything to do with a gun. If they, the gun industry, NRA, gun lobbyists, cannot control the violence caused by their guns than all guns must go. All we have to do is allow the victims families to be able to sue the gun seller, the gun manufacturer and the ammo maker. Also, if you purchased a gun legally and it’s used in a crime, you are going to jail.

  • dfchef49

    Complete stupidity. NRA gun nuts can’t be allowed to spew this non sense any longer. Just another indication of the right wing nut idiocy.

  • jenjen64

    “Conservatives don’t give a damn about those people who died, just as they don’t care about the woman in Ireland who died……They just want to have everything their way” See what I did there? Using broad generalized statements like that can work both ways. It’s amazing to me when you consider the population in the United States alone is over 3 hundred million people you have the talent, skill and IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE that all liberals think that way. What, did you interview every single one of us? Must have been a very busy decade for you…….

  • GeorgeMokray

    Gun Owners of America are a bunch of wimps. It’s time to arm kindergarteners. That should be obvious. I know Jesus’ General has been promoting the idea of guns for fetus Americans, guns in utero so to speak, but that’s clearly ridiculous. Guns for kindergarteners is only prudent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001426939279 Carl Kerstann

    It takes more than having a gun on you to be able to defend others. If you don’t have the mental attitude a gun is worthless. I’ve taught my wife how to shoot, she’s pretty good, but if push came to shove there’s no way I would count on her being able to shoot someone. She’s spent the last 32 years as a nurse healing people and the thought of harming another person just isn’t in her. At least half the idiots suggesting this would probably crap themselves if faced with an actual assault. It’s easy to be a hero safe in your easy chair.

  • jenjen64

    Oh sure, it sounds logical when one is removed from the tragedy; we can speculate and ask “what if..” or say “if I were there or so and so were there…” until the end of time. But the true reality is that even IF there were teachers/staff trained, PANIC and FEAR and adrenaline sets in and turns everything into utter chaos. Especially if there are children. Arming teachers and staff at an institution of learning? Do you really want to send your child to a school like that? Besides, unfortunately, most schools already have trained people patrolling the schools and grounds: the police and commissioned security officers. Doesn’t seem to be much of a deterrent now does it?

  • Dave of the Jungle

    You should stop pretending that you can read other people’s minds because you’re obviously not very good at it.

  • Truth

    Liberals don’t give a damn about those people who died, just as they don’t care about the woman in Ireland who died for not being allowed to have an abortion (pro-choice exploited her death) They just want to have everything their way.

  • Mocala

    These gun nuts seem to have a very comic book sense of reality. If we followed their prescription for society, we’d be living in a grotesque dystopia where we all go out armed to the teeth and wearing kevlar vests in every situation – pumping gas, learning algebra, grocery shopping… Can’t let your guard down!

  • FunMe

    1-2-3 …. NRA nuts come pouring in for this topic. I actually LOVE it because it shows they are scared. I just sit back and laugh at them.

  • TheOriginalLiz

    Decent people do not easily face the prospect of taking another’s life. That’s what makes them decent people.

  • RepubAnon

    Sounds like the Gun Owners are taking a page from Karl Rove – and projecting the consequences of this country’s lax gun regulations onto the gun control lobby.

    That said – maybe it’s time to take them at their word and pass strong state firearm safety and responsibility laws. If they’re going to claim that the law-abiding gun owners aren’t the problem (except for the ones who don’t handle their guns safely, like the Pennsylvania man whose gun “went off” and killed his son) – then let’s regulate guns like motor vehicles.

    This would mean mandatory training classes, passing a written test at the state licensing agency to get a learner’s permit, passing a proficiency test at a state-licensed firing range, and showing proof of insurance to get, say, a revolver. (Hunters already have to show they’ve taken a firearms safety class for hunting licenses in many states.) Weapons such as semi-automatic handguns and rifles would require far more stringent training and licensing requirements.

    If the “well-regulated militia” part of the Second Amendment is to have any meaning, it has to allow states (and the federal government) to set minimum safety standards for firearms possession. A proper national licensing requirement (funded by firearms license fees, of course) allowing additional state licensing requirements on top of the federal regulations would do wonders for limiting firearms possession to the people who are serious about safely storing and using these dangerous tools. (Plus, the straw buyers that legally purchase weapons and then re-sell them to the drug cartels would be put out of business.)

    On a side note, if the courts strike this down as unduly burdensome on a Constitutionally-protected right – the entire “regulate abortions out of business” strategy would be threatened.

  • Gindy51

    Hong, it is extremely difficult to point a gun at another human being unless you are wired to do it or trained. I have, scared the shit out of me and I have not touched a gun since. I was 16 and am now 54. I was in the back of my dad’s bakery truck and someone tried to open the door. I grabbed his loaded .38 and yelled at the top of my lungs I had a gun, it was loaded, and I would use it. The person ran off and I wept like a baby, was barely able sit down I was so deeply shaken.

  • cole3244

    sounds like something someone would say who hides behind the guest label and is afraid to use a name.

  • Gindy51

    That is not what would happen at all. The teachers would do exactly what they did, stay with their students until the cops got there and came for them. Only an idiot or someone with a death wish would go up against a heavily armed, shielded individual with no qualms about shooting defenseless kids. You game, go try it.

  • silverkjk

    So. In order for this to work the gun would have to be easily accessible. Yes, let’s have kindergarteners have easy access to guns. What could possibly go wrong?

  • UncleBucky

    Yeah, right NRA… Let’s arm all the little kindergartner boys. Maybe the girls, too. Fap. Meh. Ugh.

  • DwellingWithGod

    John, Drunk drivers killed over 10,000 people in 2010. Screw gun control! We need car control, actually we need to ban the public from ever driving a car again! This will solve drunk drivers from killing innocent people. Timothy McVeigh killed 646 people from a bomb he created out of fertilizer, we need to ban all fertilizer to prevent this ever happening again. Knives kill more people than guns, we need to ban all knives. Terrorist used box-cutters and two planes killing 3,000 some people, do you remember, we need to ban all box-cutters and planes!

    John, really? You have to think. Obviously your sarcasm with arm teachers is ridiculous. This is a discussion for those who actually want to discuss on how to prevent this atrocity again. De-arming citizens and preventing teachers from arming themselves will continue to rise with deadly massacres as such. Stop blaming the guns for this atrocity and blame the nut who created this atrocity. It wasn’t the guns that told the shooter to shoot. It was whatever created the monster inside his head.

  • Die Gedanken sind frei

    If Scalia can play Theater of the Absurd” with civil rights, let’s
    try it here. Maybe guns really aren’t the problem. Maybe we would be
    safer if teachers had flame throwers or grenades to protect them in case
    they were too nervous to aim straight. Someone here argued that we
    need guns to protect us from the government. Well, our government has
    drones and missiles. Why won’t they let us have them, too? Hitler
    never let his people have drones either. I’m sure most of the 300
    million people in this country would never have occasion to fire their
    nuclear weapon. (We could just require them to be kept in locked
    cabinets.) I’m sure the fact that we had them would deter any future
    crime. Then, we could fire cops and make the government
    smaller–stomping out socialism one over-paid, money-grubbing police
    officer at a time.

    This argument is no more ridiculous than
    those we hear posited by gun nuts AND supreme court justices, who are in
    the luxurious position of never having to muster and defend a cogent
    argument until death do they part.

    Seriously, what is it going to take even to entertain the possibility that there is a problem in this country?

  • Hongmin

    As an immigrant, I am puzzled by the fact that a lot of lobbyist in US does not have any moral standard, they are just shameless. Meanwhile, I am wondering if I should owe a gun as well so I can defense myself in the circumstances. The trouble is, how can I control myself to use it just for self defense?

  • http://twitter.com/caerbannog666 caerbannog666

    Suggested talking-point for the NRA: “This is the price we have to pay to keep the black helicopters away”.

  • jomicur

    Gun nuts talk about their guns as if they were magic talismans–as if merely possessing them will prevent anything bad from happening. In the real world that kind of magic doesn’t exist.

    In the recent shooting at the Empire State Building, armed, trained police officers shot NINE innocent bystanders. If the teachers at Sandy Hook had been armed, how many additional kids would have been killed in the crossfire? Believing that turning grade schools into Dodge City would accomplish anything positive is as flat-out dumb as anything I know of.

  • http://twitter.com/JafafaHots Jafafa Hots

    When you look at REALITY, and see that most gun deaths are not from rampaging strangers but rather from accidents or other reasons people got ahold of readily available guns in the home, etc., you would see that this main cause of gun death – easy access to guns – is NOT what you want in schools.

    It’s as if, after a rash of speeders crashing into the backs of schoolbuses, you were to state that the common sense thing is for school bus drivers to speed up themselves.

  • monopole

    We’ll just have to mandate that they leave a Uzi with the safety off on the desk at all times. Although for true reliability a set of Claymores on a dead-man switch would be required, this might lead to a measure of collateral damage. But that is the price of freedom!

    Of course, in the wingnut utopia, we wouldn’t have this problem, in that we would only have home-schooled child soldiers!

  • Naja pallida

    Because what a school full of panicked children needs the most: Crossfire.

  • drdick52

    As others have observed, one of the teachers at that school was armed and owned several weapons. Her son used them to kill her and 20 children. Time to stop the madness and end the mindless proliferation of guns.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    I don’t buy it. Kindergarten teachers are going to abandon their kids and start hunting the hunter? It’d never happen.

  • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

    I’m all for Matthew Shepard shooting his attackers in the head, but the problem is this whole “gun” thing isn’t working. It seems that the more guns, the more ammo, and the less gun control we get, the more violent things are getting. We are a violent culture and it’s becoming increasingly clear that we’re not mature enough to manage the responsibility that comes with gun ownership.

  • MyrddinWilt

    If he had been carrying they would likely have shot him with his own gun.

    A gun is only useful if it is drawn and loaded. The attacker will always have the element of surprise.

    Which is why NONE of the massacres that have occurred in the past 15 years has ended when a civilian shot the shooter. There are several occasions where a bystander has been armed and attempted to shoot the shooter. All have ended up wounded or dead.

  • benb

    “Gun Owners of America … make[s] efforts to differentiate themselves from the larger National Rifle Association (NRA), and [has] publicly criticized the NRA on multiple occasions for what the GOA considers to be the selling out of the gun rights movement.”

    from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Owners_of_America

  • guest1

    Sounds like something one of these shooters would say, do you have any guns we need to know about?

  • cole3244

    with all the reports of hunters shooting each other there is hope for we who don’t particularly hold the gun nuts agenda in high esteem, lets hope the mistaken identity of the prey continues unabated and the culling of the clothed ones never ceases.

  • thinkingworks

    And here’s another interesting thought: Matthew Shepherd was severely beaten (but not shot) and left for dead. Should he have had a gun? And if he had shot and killed his assailants, even though they had not shot him, would he have been justified?

  • thinkingworks

    It’s not the actual use of the gun. It’s the deterrent. A very tiny percentage of police officers have ever pulled their gun out to stop a criminal, and even smaller percentage have fired it, except in practice. If it was well-known and publicized that all public schools have some trained and armed teachers on staff, then an attacker might think twice about attacking a school (which are currently very clearly marked as “gun-free” zones.)

    Basic common sense states that you can’t stop a crazed gunman by huddling in a classroom. But you might have a chance to stop them if one or two teachers were trained an armed.

    It’s sad, but it’s reality. There are 300 million guns in America. Even if you completely ban them, the criminals will ignore the ban.

  • judybrowni

    The only safety for children is gun control.

    Read: When My Father Gave Up His Guns: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/15/1170351/-When-my-father-gave-up-his-guns

  • guest1

    The teacher wouldnt be able to stop it, but other teachers would be able to fight back to prevent more deaths, much better option then lock the doors and hope the shooter goes away. In the psycho shooters mind there’s no such thing as a gun free zone.

  • Dave of the Jungle

    Special Forces Training for all Kindergarteners. Yup.

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