Gun nuts: Sandy Hook Elementary teachers should have been armed

One of the two largest pro-gun groups in the US, the Gun Owners of America, second only to the NRA, just came out and said that had “gun control supporters” permitted teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut to be armed, the armed kindergarten teachers could have stopped this carnage.

Yeah, one problem though.  As kvetchingyenta points out on Twitter, the shooter “also had a bullet proof vest, and would have taken the teacher down before she could find her gun and shoot him.”  Slight wrinkle in the plan there, eh?  Unless we equip all of our armed pre-school teachers with kevlar, like Robocop.

Here’s the head of the Gun Owners of America:

“Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones. The only thing accomplished by gun free zones is to insure that mass murderers can slay more before they are finally confronted by someone with a gun.” –Larry Pratt, head of Gun Owners of America. (Via Igor Volsky @ Think Progress and Joe My God)

Can you imagine. Elementary school teachers packing heat.

Seriously, through, where would a teacher keep her gun, so she could have stopped the kid who burst into her classroom, guns blazing?  She’d have had to have a holster, or have the gun tucked in her waist at the small of her back, the way all the hot LEO women do it on TV.  And I seriously doubt teachers are going to teach small children with guns hanging from their waists.  So where would the gun go? Between her boobs?

If the gun were at her desk, or in her purse, she’d not have been able to grab it in time if someone walked in firing (let’s face it, first person the shooter would likely go for is the adult).  And how exactly would a teacher keep a gun in her desk or her purse and stop kids from getting to it – I mean, this is a class of 5 and 6 year olds?  She couldn’t keep it in her purse – there’s that “kids are nearby” problem. It would have to be in a locked desk.  But, the lock would have stopped her from getting her gun in time if the guy just walked into the room, gun blazing (guns don’t kill people, locks kill people).

And how exactly does a teacher open fire in a room full of five year olds and not hit one of the kids? I suppose we could arm the kids too.

Or are the Gun Owners of America suggesting that teachers from other rooms should have abandoned their kids and hunted the hunter, leaving their six year old students all alone in the middle of a shooting rampage? The parents would have loved that.

I’m just trying to undersand how armed teachers could have helped in this particular scenario.  The only thing I can think of is a teacher sitting there, gun in hand, huddled with the kids, waiting for the shooter to walk in.  Some scared to death teacher, shaking uncontrollably, surrounded by 25 kids, packing heat.  Good luck with that.

Oh, and AP is reporting that another gun nut opened fire in a hospital in Alabama.

If only the neo-natal children had been wearing reactive armor.


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236 Responses to “Gun nuts: Sandy Hook Elementary teachers should have been armed”

  1. kevin Fuller says:

    Why didn’t they just say no-don’t let him in. Even with a vest, there’s lots of targets above, & below it

  2. You will never see this “scrap of evidence” in our left wing media. It is fact that in the Virginia tech shootings a student ran to his car (which is rediculous he should have had it on him) got his gun and helped stop the attacker. It is left wing fantasy that everyone being armed would not deter violence. A vest does not cover a head or leg, not to mention it still hurts like hell to get shot with a vest on. How many mass shootings happen in places that allow law abiding people to carry a gun? Why do you call a cop? He is armed just gets there to late to help. How about the 12 year old girl hiding in a closet who shot the intruder? You lefties are blind and only believe wht you are told.

  3. Johnny Blade says:

    So typical of the leftist lemming crowd. How many more people need to be murdered while unable to defend themselves is it going to take before you people pull your heads out of your collective behinds. Can you guarantee that criminals will be unable to acquire firearms? Gun ownership in Mexico is illegal… see how well it works there? More people have been shot and killed in ‘gun free zones’ than have ever occurred where firearms are prevalent. But these are simple facts.. totally ineffective against the mindless stupidity you stick your head into… much like hiding behind the ‘gun free zone’ sign when the nut job shows up to kill you.

  4. Johnny Blade says:

    what that an armed citizen has stopped a criminal? where have you been looking for this ‘scrap of evidence’ in one of your shoes? a simple web search will turn up HUNDREDS of ‘scraps of evidence’

  5. SkippyFlipjack says:

    “Most people may not realize this, but guns are used defensively to prevent crimes over a million times per year.” OK, let’s see that study. Link?

  6. SkippyFlipjack says:

    ..so it’s probably best if we limit the mass destruction weapons available to that next lunatic, no? Because the idea that a lunatic will be deterred by reasoned analysis of widespread gun ownership isn’t convincing since they’re, um, a lunatic.

  7. SkippyFlipjack says:

    thanks for contributing exactly nothing to the conversation, and in a douchey way too.

  8. Wrong

  9. You’re a liar and a fool

  10. guest 2 says:

    No gun owner in their right mind is talking about marching around taking the law in to their own hands. It would be a better chance for our children’s survival if an armed official were on sight at the schools instead of getting there after the shooting starts. If police officers are so bad at their aim that they are to risky to have on sight for fear they might shoot innocent bystanders, then why bother to call 911 after the fact. Are they just the clean up crew now?

  11. There is that. As a combat veteran I ‘ll testify that despite the gunners wild Bill Hickok fantasies it’s not a natural easy thing to pull down on another human being.

  12. BS on the equalize skill.Most people would be lucky to break glass from inside a greenhouse with a handgun. Where do you all come up with these fantastical scenarios of bare-handed facing a knife? In that instance I’d think the best self-defense would be screaming and running,not necessarily in that order,but no, the gunners have to kill or maim someone to satisfy their definition of “self-defense”.

  13. I’m all in favor of car control. Public transportation for everyone!

    Knives do not kill more people than guns. Here are some actual real statistics from some people who know what they’re talking about: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

    How many mass bombings and attacks by airplane have there been in this country since these two incidents, vs. mass shootings? You will find the latter is far more prevalent. The OK City bombing took months to plan, whereas most mass shootings are relatively spur-of-the-moment incidents by people with easy access to lots of weapons. After 9/11 our government instituted unheard-of levels of air travel security measures. and wouldn’t you know, there have been no more terrorist attacks using airplanes, and people can still fly wherever and whenever they want – they just have to put up with a little more inconvenience and a little less privacy than before. Do the same with firearms and we’ll greatly reduce the number and frequency of mass gun killings.

  14. So you’re saying even if school staff are armed, they probably won’t be able to stop ALL mass gun murders. No point at arming them at all then, is there?

  15. karmanot says:

    Or run like hell!

  16. karmanot says:

    IE: The murder of two black teen agers in FL.

  17. momwhocarries says:

    My kids would be much safer in a classroom at a school where trained adults can legally carry their weapon on school property. I have a CWP and I am not allowed to carry my weapon on school grounds. I am a law-abiding citizen so therefore I won’t carry on school properly. Bad guys know that. Of course you carry on your person not in your handbag or desk. If you know anything about guns you know there is a whole world of information available about proper concealed carry and keeping guns away from kids. If I were a teacher there, and it was legal for me to carry, I would have pulled my gun out of my holster (on my person) and aiming within one split second of recognizing the threat. I would have aimed for his head (i target practice and I can guess or see he is wearing armor) and I would have blown his head off before he ever killed anyone in my classroom. There, everyone is safe. (Remember, the argument is for TRAINED, willing, people to carry on their person. Not forcing a teacher to carry. Bad guy won’t know who carries, just that it is legal and people are likely doing it.)

  18. @mirror: BEAUTIFUL. This is my point exactly.

    And really. If the government wants to come get you, ‘guest’, even an assault weapon won’t stop them. While you’re huddled behind your door waiting for the big bad wolf^H^H^H^Hg-man to come get you, they’ll just send a Predator with a missile to blow up you, your home, AND your second amendment stockpile. Or they’ll drop a laser-guided bomb down your chimney. Or blow your house up with a tank. Or just roll over your house with the tank. Or shoot it into bits with the main guns of a battleship parked off the coast. Or any one of a number of other things they could do if they actually decided to come ‘get you’ (fortunately for you, ‘Gun addled idiot’ isn’t a crime, yet…)

    So, ‘guest’. Go forth and troll no more. :)

  19. Igor Darkman says:

    So we’re going to cut teachers salaries, take away their right to negotiate pay and benefits and then give them guns?

  20. I know this is the standard right-wing fantasy but I’d love to see one scrap of evidence that this has ever happened.

  21. mirror says:

    Actually, one obvious logical interpretation of that right would easily suggest a regulation saying that gun owners wouldn’t be able to exercise the right UNLESS they were members of a well-regulated militia. Inertia, and now the gun nut ascendency, has eliminated the well-regulated portion of the Amendment all together and one faction even interprets it to mean a right to create private armies to fight against the government.

    The really sad part here? I’ll bet nothing gets done about guns, but a whole new layer of police state searches and security comes to our schools and institutions. In order to protect the rights of the gun nuts we are going to have mandatory metal detectors and locker searches all the way down to the kindergarten level. The gun nuts will love this as they bounce back and forth like meth addicts in their heads between fear of the colored people and fear of the government. The crazier it gets the more they feel justified. The killing and expanding police state affirms their “end times in the streets” world view.

  22. Tired of your shit says:

    This article is biased, and the author seems like a huge Melvin. Unless you haven’t walked through a city (and not a wealthy part) in the past 30 years, it isn’t hard to acquire a gun illegally. Making it easier for law abiding citizens to carry weapons makes any criminal think twice before he tries to take a life. Switzerland for instance, has the lowest crime rate in the world and EVERY SINGLE PERSON has a rifle in their homes. This bullshit has to end. We need to stop running scared and start protecting yourselves. You can’t wait for the police to do everything. It’s only a matter of time before the next lunatic decides it’s his time to go postal.

  23. BeccaM says:

    Have you?

    And even if you have, do you realistically expect 100% of citizens to be martially trained?

    Guns in the hands of untrained civilians does not equalize. It just results in more mayhem and death.

  24. Brandon Van Every says:

    There is case law in the USA that introducing big money barriers to gun ownership is unconstitutional. In previous decades it was used to disarm poor blacks in the South. Which is a lot of fun if you want to defend yourself from the KKK. I don’t know the details of the cases or how they might be revisited. I will point out, modes of transport aren’t in the Constitution, but guns are. Driving is codified as a privilege; gun ownership is actually a right.

  25. Brandon Van Every says:

    There are no automatic weapons in civilian hands. The “assault” weapons you hear about are semiautomatic. Squeeze the trigger once, 1 bullet comes out. “Assault” is a frequently misused label.

  26. Brandon Van Every says:

    Have you worked on bare handed self-defense against a knife lately? It’s not easy. People who are not martial experts are best served with guns. They equalize force and skill. A difficulty is, most people have no interest in defending themselves. They want to outsource it to the police.

  27. Brandon Van Every says:

    “Well regulated” refers to the militia, not the individual gun owners.

  28. Brandon Van Every says:

    Armed school staff probably can’t do anything about a mass murderer’s first strike in one classroom. Everyone in that room probably dies. But armed staff could keep a gunman from wandering around the school to other classrooms. That is worth considering.

  29. mirror says:

    Wow. Poor guy. Poor us. He’s totally in some other reality and thinks we live in it too.

  30. mirror says:

    Every thread on every blog has multiple more than reasonable suggestions like this, but the gun nuts argue each individual idea would be futile, but when backed in to a corner make clear that they oppose all and any restrictions.

  31. mirror says:

    I fear there is a cult of killing that develops with this whole tactical fetish thing.

  32. mirror says:

    The statistics show that you or someone in your family is a exponentially times more likely to be harmed by a gun you own than that you would ever have a need to use it in self-defense or would be able to get it together to do so. Please spare yourself. Also, this gun fetish thing can turn otherwise fairly reasonable citizens into frightening wraiths who will trade away anything to protect their unfettered access. I know some of them. Please be careful.

  33. mirror says:

    Yes, it really is time to stop with the constitutional right to own guns with no obligations bs, when the 2nd Amendment clearly talks about this being part of a system of “well regulated” militias. “Well regulated” means by the government with … regulations. The current free for all has nothing “well” done about it anywhere.

  34. mirror says:

    The police and the military fall squarely within the “well regulated” part of the equation. People like you think you have to have a gun to protect yourself from Adolf Hitler and become so obsessed with your fetish protective object that you end up wandering the streets looking for Hitler, AND “well regulated” you ain’t. You and what your ideologies and fantasies are doing to our society terrify me more than any punks on the street.

  35. karmanot says:

    199 comments, many with much passion, much discussion and I can’t help but sort out the rage of gun enthusiasts who seem to entirely ignore the deaths of 22 children and their teachers, in defending their killing weapons as if they were children, doing so with their cold dead minds.

  36. lilyannerose says:

    Sure, you can arm every teacher in every school in America. What you can’t do is guaranty that they are all hard wired to pull that trigger. Then idiots what do you have? A dead teacher and a shooter with another gun with ammo. Brilliant idea.

  37. cole3244 says:

    i have been disarmed, good post, have a safe night and week.

  38. DwellingWithGod says:

    You wouldn’t of happen to attend a public school in the last 30 years, have you?

  39. DwellingWithGod says:

    Ad Hominem! No credible discussion.

  40. Larry says:

    Body armor doesn’t guarantee that you can’t be shot and killed. Rifles will defeat body armor. As will a reasonably aimed shot to the head, groin, arms, legs, will stop the threat. Those without handgun training seem to think that only police are good shots. The reality is that most gun owners are actually better shots than that average Law Enforcement office. The reason? They train more. People need to wake up. Gun free zones are simply killing fields. Stop
    to think about it: Why do crazy people go and shoot up our schools,
    malls, movie theaters? It’s because they know they will meet no
    resistance. The reality is that police are, at best, minutes away. You
    need someone to immediately stop the threat. If one teacher had a gun
    that day, the headlines might have been different. Most people may not
    realize this, but guns are used defensively to prevent crimes over a
    million times per year. We need to focus on stopping the threat and
    start asking why is it that we are such a violent society.

  41. karmanot says:

    I’m supporting you! But I do love peanuts. When the snark runs out we are lost. Blue is a raving nitwit. No good deed goes unpunished. ( has a sad)

  42. blue says:

    How convienient it must be for you to blind youself to thousands of years of human history for the sake of your anti self defence propaganda. It seems I was right about you. It is in your dark little dream to dissarm citizens so that your authoritahs can once again commit genocide. But, unfortunantly for you and your authoritahs that you so blindly believe in, the trend is not in your favor. Recently in my state, they made it legal to own fully automatic weapons. Clear real life evidence that there are people who do understand the corelation between gun bans and real mass murder that has been commited by your beloved authoritahs over the centuries. What you would most likely watch on tv if you had your way is you and your loved ones being hauled away to one of the authoritahs disposal centers just like Hitler did to 12 million of his own people. Or like Stalin did to 16 million of his own people. Those who don’t remember history are doomed to repete it.

  43. lynchie says:

    You the one with blind faith. Yes there is a secret place where i am working for the disarming of you gun nuts. Then i will take the guns and burn them and make you watch on tv.

  44. karmanot says:

    Been watching too many Bond movies dude.

  45. karmanot says:

    And with considerable skill at that!

  46. karmanot says:

    And you can count to one! You don’t chase anyone off moron—disgust maybe, evoke pity certainly but always the laughter of ridicule.

  47. karmanot says:

    Typical right wing response. Like rape, she deserved it. WTF do you know pea-brain?

  48. karmanot says:

    Let them be dragged down. How much lower can they go? The sooner the better.

  49. karmanot says:

    Except in fetid pockets of the deep South or the more fascist prone deserts of Arizona, would teachers even conceive of guns and killing compatible with teaching—same for doctors and nurses.

  50. cole3244 says:

    well well another member of the peanut gallery speaks, i’ll keep shaking this tree and see how many idiots fall out.

  51. karmanot says:

    ROTFL!

  52. karmanot says:

    Oh, give it a rest bullshitter.

  53. karmanot says:

    Spelling by baby blocks I see. “I wonder what that says about you Hmmm ???” Says Lynchie is being more than kind to a sad, pathetic gun troll. Hmmmmm?

  54. karmanot says:

    Say, like teenager Travon Martin or the kid murdered because he was playing music too loud. The thought of YOU being on the streets is alarming.

  55. karmanot says:

    :)

  56. karmanot says:

    Definitely, cognition interruptus.

  57. karmanot says:

    “But to live in constant fear is to not really live.” Bingo! Hope to hear more from you in the future!

  58. karmanot says:

    “I make no distinction between evil or mental illness.” God help yo mamma, when Alzheimer’s sets in.

  59. karmanot says:

    You go! A voice of sanity.

  60. karmanot says:

    My school had a ‘gum-free’ sign. Does that count?

  61. karmanot says:

    Then of course, we must take into consideration the Rapture and make a list of those kids and teachers who are going to go anyway. Thus, liberals will be left behind naturally—that’s God’s plan….so not to worry, we will inherit the earth—what an irony, huh?

  62. karmanot says:

    I have already applied for salvage rights after the Rapture. It is my sincere hope you are taken up and I can claim the Rolex of yours.

  63. karmanot says:

    I suspect that most gun trolls on this site are armchair warriors, who have never experienced combat or situations of such dangerous calamity.They are usually the type that show up after all is safe and bask in the bravery. of true heroes. Remember Little Bush and 9/11 Rudy? The sane pro-gun defenders are quite a different type—rational, measured and pro regulation. I believe that we should begin by enforcing restrictions on the number of guns allowed—one hand gun and one hunting rifle, banning all automatic weapons from civilian ownership.

  64. karmanot says:

    Well, for example: Fluffy the kitty would not die and come back as a Transformer.

  65. karmanot says:

    “would have found other means.” Like listening to you for more than ten minutes?

  66. karmanot says:

    I doubt that, but the irony lies in the fact that in order to achieve such results civil rights are routinely violated, democratic rights eliminated and the very principles of Habeaus Corpus made moot. Thus goes the cheering road to fascism. Remember Guilanni? New York is eternally grateful for his warlord rule. .

  67. karmanot says:

    Again, your thinking is faulty. The issue is not the ‘millions’ of responsible gun users. It’s the proliferation and accessibility of gun users who are NOT RESPONSIBLE. Got it now? I used to be an NRA member, until I saw the organization turn into a right-wing anti-American militia, which convinced me that it is a clear and present danger to the American people and democracy.

  68. karmanot says:

    “It’s not the actual use of the gun.” Stop right there stinking thinking. Guns are designed to take life—that’s KILL. All else is moot.

  69. karmanot says:

    Don’t hold your breath Cole. Or maybe, do hold your breath when Henny Penny runs by you. :)

  70. karmanot says:

    Seems like we have figured out who you are. Still running around like Henny Penny screaming: “The Communists are coming.” Time to stop watching old movies dude. Get off the couch, put down the beers and join the real world—-but leave your gun behind.

  71. karmanot says:

    Pray for em sister.

  72. karmanot says:

    Exactly so. Good people don’t kill. The argument by the gunists is that one must protect family and self, because they believe in killing—especially animals and it doesn’t take much of a leap to kill people with insane Stand-Your-Ground laws that actually encourage killing, or the ‘right’ to carry concealed guns in a bar. —Just crazy.

  73. karmanot says:

    I can just see it: Diaper pockets for the Glock.

  74. karmanot says:

    “and yourself.” Missionary Style,of course