GOPer Mike Huckabee blames shooting on lack of prayer in school

Former Republican presidential candidate, Mike Huckabee, who likes to pretend that he’s not as crazy as the rest of the Republican party, today proposed that prayer in school would have saved the lives of the twenty mostly-five-to-ten-year-olds who were killed in a shooting rampage in a Connecticut elementary school:

HOST: Invariably people ask after tragedies like this, how could God let this happen?

HUCKABEE: Well you know, it’s an interesting thing. We ask why there’s violence in our schools, but we’ve systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools have become a place of carnage? Because we’ve made it a place where we don’t want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability. That we’re not just gonna be accountable to the police of they catch us, but one day we stand before a holy God in judgment. If we don’t believe that, then we don’t fear that. And I sometimes, when people say, why did God let it happen, God wasn’t armed, he didn’t go to the school… maybe we ought to let him in on the front end and we wouldn’t have to call him to show up when it’s all said and done at the back end.

It’s actually quite radical what Huckabee just proposed. He didn’t propose just having prayer in America’s public school system, but apparently now government employees in public schools are supposed to teach your kids responsibility and accountability by letting them know that they’re going to have to face God after they die, so they’d better do their homework and not shoot up the entire class.

WTF?

Conservatives, who are always preaching about the family, and about the evils of big government, now say it’s the government’s job to teach your kids responsibility and accountability – for starters – but the schools are supposed to do it religiously.

How exactly would that work?  Would first grade teachers have to go the seminary?  Should the government test teachers on whether they have the “right” religious knowledge – that’d be interesting.  And what do teachers do if the class contains some Mormons, some Baptists, some Catholics, and some Muslims?  I mean, the Baptists think the Catholics are (literally) Satan-worshippers.  So what if the teacher’s a Catholic – are the Baptists going to be put up with that? Doubtful.  Or even better, what if the teacher’s a Muslim – can you imagine the Fox News Huckabees of the world, Michele Bachmann among them, accepting a Muslim teaching our “Christian” kindergartners about the one true God?  Holy creeping Sharia, Batman!  Never gonna happen.

Here’s a crazy idea: How about their parents teach them all of that?

It almost sounds like Huckabee is saying that those children, or at least their parents, deserved it, or at the very least he absolutely seems to be saying that the elementary school itself, and the local school district, and through them the parents who run the school system, brought this tragedy on themselves by kicking God out of the school.  Let me quote that again:

We ask why there’s violence in our schools, but we’ve systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools have become a place of carnage?

Yes, Mr. Huckabee, we should be surprised when someone shoots 20 of our kids dead in elementary school.  We shouldn’t nod knowingly and suggest that either God got even with those mostly-five-to-ten-year-olds for their local school board not appointing the local kindergarten teacher as minister, or at the very least, the parents brought this on themselves, and thus are to blame for their own kids getting mowed down by a fan of the Second Amendment.

You’ll notice one “God” missing from Huckabee’s comments, that would be his gun God.  That God never needs to be more responsible and accountable.  And as a result, children will keep dying.


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  • sJames6621

    and letts remember that the southern baptist justified slavery as per the bible and that group is a pin off of the dutch church that created Apartheid in south africa

  • sJames6621

    btw check stopbaptistpredators.org

    Molesters come from very religious families where even talk of sex and masturbation is forbidden. Ultimately some of them later go bad and go after children of the age when their natural desire and curiosity was squashed

    think of it as a sexual immaturity problem

  • sJames6621

    Maybe if we didnt have a gun for every citizen and the madmen of the NRA calling for more we wouldnt have these mass shootings

    BTW the repubs (huckbee is one) squashed the proposed rule about a basic background check before people could buy a gun, and same re gun checks at gun show sales
    Huck of course is a repub.

    these MFs should be sent to Borneo where the headhunters I hear are hungry

  • sJames6621

    t of theswthe worst of the gun nuts are the so. baptist ./evangelicals we even hear them on ham radio with their southern accent – “you can never have enough guns”

  • AugustineThomas

    But seriously.. Can any of you explain why these crazy psycho mass school shooters have all come after we gave up on Christianity? There were very few in the hundred years before we gave up Christianity. Now there are like three a year every year for forty years since we’ve given up Christ.

    MAYBE WE SHOULD GO BACK TO CHRIST!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZYCHKDIL6CSSCRX5R5W6SAHV6E Treymon L

    I think you mean his ass.

  • MM

    Yes, let’s have schools bring prayer to their classes to protect these kids from being gunned down by a looney…because violence never happens in churches.

  • http://fighttherightwingnuts.blogspot.com/ mike31c

    It was their own god that allowed this to happen in the first place. I do not think much of a god that allowed murder of the innocent nor do I think much of people who pray and worship this god.

  • cappy2

    So Governor Huckabee, having God in our schools will keep our children safe? I think that was the gist of your argument. How many sexual molestations has he prevented in all the catholic dioceses? He is there isn’t he?

  • Deano

    Not sure Huckabee actually believes the crap he is peddling but rather just wants to pander to his rightwing, uber-conservative Christian base and media audience. It is likely Huckabee wishes to make another run for the Presidency, so he’ll want to keep his base in his pocket.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000111133695 Lisa Johnson

    These loudmouthed hypocritical Bible believing Christians reaffirm my concious decision years ago to say screw organized religion and become a secular humanist/agnostic. These are some very sick and twisted people. God has never been removed from anything but proscribing how other people are “supposed” to believe instead of respecting our individuality and the right of us of us to live according to our beliefs and culture. Even Dante couldn’t have depicted such an inferno as what these people are trying to impose on all of us They make me sick. They belong in the same planet as Darth Cheney and all the other evil bastards of this world who think their crap doesn’t stink. Leave me the hell alone Go live amongst yourselves and share your mutual misery with each other and damn you straight to hell.

  • dula

    God gave us a brain and body in order to take courageous, intelligent action when necessary, not whine to him and cower in willful ignorance. Republicans never seem to want to take personal responsibility for the national crises that they’ve enabled.

  • Simon Magus

    Two points to make here: 1) School shootings are nothing new. Go to Wikipedia and look up “school shootings in the united states”. In 1927, back when schools had teacher-led prayer, a guy blew up a school in Michigan, killing 45 people, mostly elementary students. 2) Even today, students are allowed to pray in school. It is just that the school administrators and teachers can’t lead the class in prayer. But, if Little Johnny wants to pray, it is his right to do that, provided he is not disrupting the class.

  • http://bit.ly/SYj39M << Work from home, $15/h, link

    Wars begin in the minds of man, and in those minds,
    love and compassion would have built the defenses of peace.

  • nkd

    No problem, Mike! As long as it is MY religion!

  • FunMe

    IDIOTA. Why do these losers keep getting reelected. Oh, I get it. They are idiots who voted them into office. Ugh!

  • Godlesspanther

    That is true, and more and more people are walking away from religion. And they really don’t get why that is — they say that people just hate god and want to sin, but they never consider the fact that it may have something to do with their behavior.

  • BoyInBOYCOTT

    I couldn’t imagine I could LOATHE Huckbee one ounce more than after Chick-fil-A….I was mistaken.
    What he spewed will ALWAYS be remembered like Falwell 2 days after 9/11…and I say AMEN

  • 2patricius2

    Bill, I’m not sure what you are saying.

  • cathy

    These are the actions of men. God said love each other. Man said, Fuck that. BLAM!

  • Cathy

    He would know, old Huckleberry. He’s removing God from his own life because by his words he’s going to hell when he dies.

  • mucholderguy

    This is all about appealing to that mentally challenged Republican base.

  • lynchie

    Huckabee’s of course

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    What else can one do when hurricane season is over?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Ask Fox news.

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    BTW, whose God?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    He will, assuming the Huck decides to ever appear again.

  • mirth

    Impatient as I am, my first thought about how best to deal with ignorant religionists like Huckabee is to permanently impair their physical ability to speak. But I also champion free speech and I recognize that mass exit from religion in general is largely due to how these freaks behave and what they have to say, here being a prime example.

    So ^5, you fat fuck. For the advancement of humankind, I couldn’t have come up with a better mess o’ words for you to lay down.

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Hey, is not faith God’s gift to us all; especially to those of us that espouse science over bullshit?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Good point as I always worry about masturbating too much!

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    “Must be a stressful life.”

    Especially for those believing in the smitings of the Old Testament?

  • http://twitter.com/BillFromDover Bill from Dover

    Does anybody here believe this turd actually believes in any God?

    Hello… snake oil salesman!

  • Me

    Now, there isn’t a single thing you’ve mentioned, that isn’t advocated somewhere in the ‘good book.’ Something to think about.

  • Me

    And might I add that if you go by Christian belief, it wouldn’t be up to any of you to decide who is truly a Christian or not, or whether he is lying or not. And you come over as quite hostile yourself. Face your own beliefs for what they are. People refuse to, yet will fight to the death to defend beliefs they hold and don’t even understand themselves.

  • Me

    Christians always claim someone who speaks out in a way they disagree with, isn’t one of their own. Then you fall into the challenge of defining what a ‘real’ Christian is and that is where you end up with so many sub-groups claiming theirs is the one and only ‘true’ sort of Christianity. But then, if you believe in the same book he claims to believe in, you’d have to question your own beliefs on this matter because what he said isn’t necessarily wrong going by the book he’s using. Unless you cherry pick said book, that is. It certainly advocates killing for finite crimes left and right. Including ‘thought’ crimes even.

  • PTBarnumboy

    Words cannot express just how stupid this man is.

  • theoracle

    Adam Lanza’s deceased mother reportedly had a lot of guns around the house, believed economic collapse was imminent, enjoyed going to gun shooting ranges and took her sons to these gun shooting ranges, you know, on kind of a family outing.

    IOW, Adam Lanza’s deceased mother was a doomsday prepper, probably one who watched Faux News nightly and listened “religiously” to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. And her now-dead mass-killer son, Adam, was living in this environment at home

    So, of course, to fools like Huckabee and Fischer, it’s all about the absence of prayer in schools that is at fault, not the toxic right-wing noise machine that pumps up the fear, driving some people over the edge, leading to another mass killing. It’s as if all the right-wingers, for years, have been members of a doomsday cult, like the People’s Temple or the Waco Branch Davidians, and every now and then some affected person exposed to all this right-wing negativity and lies gets a gun and blows people away, including young children in a school.

  • Erik in Munich

    I am SO embarassed and furious right now. How is this man taken seriously in ANY credible way?? My european colleagues ask me how this is possible and if people like Mr. Huckabee are taken seriously and I am utterly embarrassed by having to field these questions!!! WTF??? When does this kind of idiocy end and when do we stop giving him and his ilk a platform???

  • cole3244

    is huckabee crazy, no, but he and those like him are dangerous, very dangerous.

  • KeithInBklyn

    It’s after comments like Huckabee’s that make me even more grateful not to be a believer in his brand of “faith.” It’s his God who is evil and petty if he’ll let these people die not for what’s in their hearts but rather for what the school’s policy on prayer is.

  • http://buddybest.tripod.com/index.html BuddyNovinski

    If the pupils bothered to learn math instead of trying to bribe the deity, then there would be no need for silent prayer. It would help if they avoided the so-called controversy over evolution to get through biology as well.

  • Stev84

    Wrong. This is True Christianity. Most of them are like that. He just spoke out loud what most are thinking.

  • samizdat

    Oh, and apparently, if one takes the chiseled walls of a certain Hindu temple as any indication, they fuck like rabbits. Sounds fun to me.

  • samizdat

    Oh, I can’t wait for another softball interview with Jon Stewart on the Daily Show! Yippee! And don’t give me that crap about it being a comedy show. If you’re going to invite soulless hypocrites like Huckster on your show, ask him about this heartless comment, Stewart.

  • colleen2

    Frankly it’s about 35 years too late to tell them they aren’t ‘Christian’. Guys like Mike Huckabee ( and the religious right in general ) have come to define Christianity, at least in the US. And Christianity, as practiced, is hypocritical, violent, dishonest, bigoted, woman hating, authoritarian and destructive.

  • pollysi

    I grew up in Nebraska, which outlawed school prayers in 1903. Since Nebraska has a very low crime rate, Huckabee needs to find another bogeyman.

    Prior to 1962: “Nor was Bible reading all that widespread. . . . only five states required Bible reading in the public schools, while twenty five states allowed such practices. Eleven states had declared the practice unconstitutional, and the remainder had no relevant laws on the books. The fact is that school prayer and Bible reading was only infrequently required by law, and had been declared illegal by a number of states before 1962.”

    Last summer my husband received a six-month “free membership” in the NRA in the mail. He doesn’t have a hunting license or a registered firearm, so there was no reason for them to select him. They were just doing mass mailings so they could claim an inflated membership before the election. Maybe it’s time to expose it as a paper tiger.

  • Snarki, child of Loki

    He’s an ignorant buffoon.

    As long as there are math tests, there will always be silent prayer in schools.

  • HeartlandLiberal

    Huckabee is a disgusting bit of human refuse, for whom a very special circle in Hell has been reserved.

  • http://buddybest.tripod.com/index.html BuddyNovinski

    OOH! Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna! Too bad Loki doesn’t have many arms?

  • http://buddybest.tripod.com/index.html BuddyNovinski

    As usual, Hick-I-Be completely misunderstands that governemental officials may NOT endorse a religion by leading prayers in public schools. The pupils still may pray, as long as it’s not disruptive to the class. Let us pray that this Baptist boob stop bearing false witness for his own aggrandizement!

  • Snarki, child of Loki

    AND they’re heavily ‘armed’! Win-win!

  • Snarki, child of Loki

    Somehow, going to an “Old Faith” Amish school in 2006, didn’t save THOSE victims.

    If the “christian god” has anything to do with these killings, he’s a murderous psycho fuck (ok, ok, that’s exactly what their ‘testaments’ indicate), and should be hunted down and terminated with extreme prejudice.

  • Gustav2

    It is time to tell them they are not Christians and often. Imagine telling a believing parent who just lost a child, “You kid is dead because you did not sent him to a Christian school.” Imagine telling a believing parent, “God was not with you child when he was murdered.” This is bad theology, bad public policy and just bad manners.

  • HolyMoly

    The chart didn’t post. I guess we can’t do that. Here’s the link:

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db89.htm

    But back to the topic. Sure, we can ask questions about what it is that’s causing the problem of gun violence. We’d be stupid not to. But to speak authoritatively on it as Huckabee tried to do, he’s just out of his league on this one. I think a better place to start looking for answers is our gun laws. Another place would be cultural…we seem to have, as a culture, a fetish for violence and war.

    As far as “now is not the time to talk about it” — that sh-t pisses me off to no end. When CAN we talk about it? We can’t talk about it tomorrow, either, because ANOTHER shooting will occur by that time. Heck, this shooting came just two days after a shooting in an Oregon mall.

    Those families are going to grieve whether we talk about it or not. The rest of us can join the discussion and try come up with a solution in the meantime. I can’t speak for those families, but I’d be willing to bet that they want some answers too; I’m willing to bet that they want something done to prevent it from happening to anyone else.

  • HolyMoly

    Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. But just for kicks, I’ll play by Huckabee’s stupid rules. Here’s a chart showing teen birthrates since way back when:

    Looks like teen birth rates have decreased significantly since around 1970/1971. Should we ascribe this very positive outcome to the removal of God from public schools? (Of course, the whole idea that God and prayer have been removed from schools is preposterous, but I’m just playing by Huckabee’s rules.)

  • Naja pallida

    That’s the gist of it. His particular flavor of Hate means that anyone who isn’t actively fearing his God at any given moment is at the risk of being smote. Must be a stressful life.

  • Hue-Man

    “We won’t allow public school teachers indoctrinate our innocent children with sex, birth control, and sexuality – this is solely our responsibility as parents.”

    “Public school teachers MUST teach our children about the correct flavor of christianist prayer that they will be forced to repeat X times per day – they aren’t getting enough religious cult indoctrination while at home.”

    Sane people – that is, excluding the American Taliban – would find it difficult to hold these two positions at once! (IMHO, these wingnut parents should be prosecuted for child abuse.)

  • Just an elbow

    Apparently.

  • Just an elbow

    Well Huckabee can kiss any real political aspirations goodbye. He and Brian Ficsher made essentially the same point, and the response to these worthless lumps of flesh has not been kind.

  • shivabeach

    Ask them at the same time if they are ready to see Hindu gods plastered all over the school walls. They have some pretty outlandish looking gods and LOTS of holidays!

  • shivabeach

    hey Mike, the taliban have full time god in their schools, and no girls to bother the boys. Look where its got them

  • Island In The Sky

    The funny thing is, this Mike Huckabee – he must think his entrance to “Heaven” is all but guaranteed.
    The reality? The truth…is that there is a special place in HELL…waiting…just for him :)

  • GoBlue

    And the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves by not accepting Jesus as their personal savior–right, Fat Boy?

    I am SO dying to ask an evangelical who wants to bring back school prayer how they’d feel about their children uttering a Santeria prayer. Since anyone that dimwitted probably wouldn’t even know what Santeria is, I’d explain that it’s also known as voodoo, and that Santerians practice animal sacrifice. Of course they’d be horrified at the very thought of their little darlings being exposed to that kind of “religion.” That’s when I’d drop the bomb: namely, that Santeria is a legitimate religion according to the IRS, and if we allow prayer in schools, every denomination will have to be allowed in, Santerians too.

  • http://profiles.google.com/ibegone Nicholas Gallias

    The spaggetti monster will have it’s revenge.

  • Houndentenor

    so Huckabee’s god ignores the pleas of children because they are at a secular school that doesn’t require prayer? Really?

  • 2patricius2

    Brian Fischer said the same thing. Several of the children who were killed were Catholics, preparing for their First Communion. I guess Huckabee and Fischer have the same vengeful god who will not protect children in public schools because the teachers don’t indoctrinate children in his sadistic religion. Or maybe Catholics are not Christian enough for Brian and Mike’s god.

  • FLL

    I can’t help but suspect that Huckabee has included a dog whistle or two in his little speech, quoted above. If you read the part about how he wishes that we “stand before a holy [Christian] God in judgment,” it’s clear that Huckabee is not just suggesting a warm and fuzzy interfaith prayer. His dog whistle is referencing the current cult war against anyone who defies Xtian religious sexual prohibitions, not to mention the war on women’s biological rights.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1355224588 Nicholas A Kocal

    Mike Huckabee is NOT a Christian. He is just a lying, hateful douche-bag.

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    Worse, sticking mics in the face of traumatized children, drilling them for details—-disgusting media vultures

  • lynchie

    What a strange God Huckebee has. He lets kids die because they won’t pray to the big head in the sky. What a complete fucktard. How does he know how religious the kids, their parents, the adults who died and even the religious beliefs the shooter had. Wouldn’t it be poetic justice if the shooter was some gung how religious right asshole. This is a man many on the right considered presidential material. Palin is even smarter than this.

  • FLL

    From Westboro Baptist Church’s pickets to Pat Robertson’s gloating about the earthquake in Haiti to Bryan Fischer and Mike Huckabee gloating about this… the fundamentalist Xtians have turned into a cult of ambulance-chasing vultures, gleefully dancing in the blood of the fallen. They really aren’t endearing themselves to their fellow Americans.

  • tsuki

    I agree with Nate Silver. The puntwitry is useless.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    And while we’re at it: F*ck you, CNN, for your irresponsible, life-and-reputation destroying gutter ‘journalism’.

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/12/ryan-lanza-newtown-shooting-media-fail

  • http://adgitadiaries.com/ karmanot

    What a complete and utter asshole!

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    The angry sky god must be appeased with worshipful words and gestures of submission and obeisance, otherwise he’ll let mentally disturbed young men steal guns from their mothers, drive to their place of employment, even if it’s a school, and slaughter a few dozen children and adults.

    Because that, apparently, is how this psycho deity rolls.

  • http://twitter.com/EFreethought Everyday Freethought

    There are a lot of people praying all the time. Does Huckabee think that his god only answers prayers once they reach some critical mass?

  • Dave of the Jungle

    Complete Idiot

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