How creepy that Walmart has military-style rifles on its Web site

I’d heard for years about Wal-Mart selling guns, but it was only today that I decided to go to Wal-Mart’s Web site and see for myself.

There they are.  Big as life.  Guns manufactured for police and the military, that Wal-Mart is selling for “home defense” and “recreation.”

None of them look like anything anyone needs to defend their home, or to hunt.  They’re all fetish toys for men and women who revere violence – and Walmart, among others, is happy to pander to America’s fetish for violence.  Look at these things:

walmart guns

Here’s one in particular, the Sig Sauer M400.  I love this description:

Designed for use in law enforcement, military operations, the sporting field and competitive shooting.

Other than handcuffs for sex, you have to ask yourself how many things are manufactured for military and police, but also “the sporting field”?

Here’s the M400.  Sporty, isn’t it?

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And here’s a helpful review on WalMart’s site:

I particularly got a kick out of this review, “great home defense weapon.”  Yeah, if you’re expecting imperial storm troopers.

Screen Shot 2012-12-31 at 11.17.52 AMYou have to ask, home defense against what?  When you’re buying that kind of hardware, you’re not preparing for a burglar.  You’re stockpiling “the government.”  And that’s really what a lot of this gun fetish comes down to, crazy right-wingers who are preparing for either the judgment day, or the overthrow of the US government.  Either way, it’s not much of an argument for selling this kind of garbage at Walmart.


Follow me on Twitter: @aravosis | @americablog | @americabloggay | Facebook | Instagram | Google+ | LinkedIn. John Aravosis is the Executive Editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown; and has worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, the United Nations Development Programme, and as a stringer for the Economist. He is a frequent TV pundit, having appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, Hardball, World News Tonight, Nightline, AM Joy & Reliable Sources, among others. John lives in Washington, DC. .

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132 Responses to “How creepy that Walmart has military-style rifles on its Web site”

  1. commensense says:

    i can make a ruger 10/22 look exactly like an ar15, does that make it an assault rifle. Its also a semi auto and i use it for small game hunting. i can also shoot a deer from 700yrds with a 30-06 bolt action does that mean i have a military sniper rifle? forgot i can also put a flash hider and custom stock on my 30-06 and it will also look like a military sniper rifle but its still only used for deer.

    people can also make a shotgun from pipes and nails, should steel pipes be taken out of stores also? a flare gun can be turned into almost any caliber pistol and shotgun, should those not be sold also and prevent people from being saved?

    science killed billions of people should we stop improving technology? you throw away leftovers that can save a starving person, should you be banned from eating?

    this world is balanced out with good and bad with everyone and everything the only evil in this world is humans which we are sure not going to ban human off this planet, we just have to live with it so why don’t you gun haters do the same and stop………

  2. jr023 says:

    would the author like to name 1 army that is equipped with these guns i do not know of any.
    although the police department should use only semi auto. to there regular officers im not sure even swat should have full auto but the average beat cop is not given enough training with his sidearms (see NYC shoots 9 people only 1 was a suspect) he definitely does not train enough by his department to use full auto

  3. jr023 says:

    you forgot the muslim bombers kill how many?

  4. Grace says:

    This makes me glad I’m in Canada.


  5. GiveMeLiberty says:

    Opinions aside, the facts are right there for you. If we truly want to end the senseless killing by blaming inaniment objects, ban all blades with a black handle on them (The color, of course, being what increases the lethality as opposed to the function).

  6. I wonder how much Walmart contributes to the NRA goons? It has been reported the NRA received over $25 million from gun manufacturers and defense contractors. The NRA has been notorious for blocking legislation in the UN and Congress against international arms dealers to sell guns around the world. These guns are used against our troops overseas.

  7. Enlightened says:

    Thank you for making me dig deeper Naja.

    Freud, Dreams in Folklore (1958), p. 33, reads:

    “The representation of the penis as a weapon, cutting knife, dagger
    etc., is familiar to us from the anxiety dreams of abstinent women in
    particular and also lies at the root of numerous phobias in neurotic

    The quote:
    “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
    should be attributed to Kates as a paraphrased option of Freud’s passage noted above.

    Thanks for the heads up, back at you for rebuttal.

  8. Vince says:

    But if you ban firearms, the suicide deaths would still occur. They are a moot point. Fox News is a news agency, not a 2nd Amendment right group. There are much more important issues that we face as a nation (budget deficit, NDAA, etc.) than reporting some feel-good stories about someone using a firearm in self-defense.

    Did you really call the research of a man who carries a Ph.D. and is a professor at the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University unverified? Due to sampling, it very well may be overstated. You must have missed the last thing that i said. I’ll include it again. maybe if you finish reading rather than trying to “get me” it will sink in.”Even if the number listed in the report is 100 times too big, then there are still more than twice the amount of people who us a firearm in self-defense than who are killed by a gun.”

  9. KingCranky says:

    Nope, can’t, logically, ignore the suicides carried out with firearms with the “they would have used something else if they couldn’t access the gun” blather.

    Because those suicides were done with guns, not any other weapons, asphyxiation, carbon monoxide, jumping off a ledge, jumping in front of a train or bus, or lethal overdose.


    It doesn’t matter if you watch FOX “News”, since that network bills itself as “fair & balanced”, and since it plays to rightwing anti-liberals in this country, to think FOX “News” would stay silent about the use of guns for self-defense and home-protection when those statistics, if borne out independently, could attack those liberal, anti-gun talking points, beggars belief.

    And since FOX “News” isn’t bringing us constant, verified proof of such claims in Keck’s reports, it’s far more logical to believe such reports are overstated and unverified than it is that FOX “News” is a liberal media outlet staying silent about such events.

  10. Vince says:

    I said nothing about riots or Rodney King. Keep your posts straight.

  11. mirror says:

    Given that you brought up the riots that happened after the acquittal of the police officers who sadistically beat Rodney King, your message and subtext was not even remotely veiled.

  12. Vince says:

    I’m not mad. The internet is not worth getting mad about.

  13. ReaIAmerican says:

    Just seeing how easily you get mad

  14. Vince says:

    If it’s quite clear what I said, why did you ask what my point is?

  15. ReaIAmerican says:

    Tell me how you care about the aclu…..

  16. ReaIAmerican says:

    Duh, its quite clear what you said. You flying off the handle again?

  17. Vince says:

    I don’t? Please tell me more about what I care and don’t care about…

    My point is exactly what i said. The ACLU supports our rights unless they are gun rights. It’s not very difficult to grasp.

  18. ReaIAmerican says:

    You dont care about the ACLU anyway. What is your point?

  19. Vince says:

    The ACLU doesn’t support firearms. It’s position is “The ACLU does not have a position on gun control. ACLU states that neither “the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue”

    This completely disregard the SCOTUS decision of DC v. Heller which states that gun rights are civil rights.

  20. ReaIAmerican says:

    You are so cute when you make things up!

  21. Vince says:

    ACLU: We support your rights, unless they’re gun rights.

  22. Vince says:

    Read the report. I’m sure they all aren’t but many are.

    I didn’t do the study. If you have an issue with the data contactGary Kleck, Ph.D., professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University.

    The total number of gun deaths (including suicides used with those guns, or homeowners shooting family members they thought were intruders, or children who got hold of an unsecured firearm, shooting themselves or others, such as friends or siblings) is roughly 30,000. 18,000+ of those are suicides. Since people who are suicidal would kill themselves with whatever means they have access too, their numbers should be omitted as it does not contribute to the “guns cause violence” debate. 11,000 non-suicide gun deaths per year. Even if the number listed in the report is 100 times too big, then there are still more than twice the amount of people who us a firearm in self-defense than who are killed by a gun.

    You don’t hear about i as much because it’s not exciting and doesn’t bring in ratings. News companies make money off of ratings. Ratings increase when sensational, horrible disasters happen. Stories about people using guns to defend themselves are, for lack of a better term, boring.

    You mention Fox News has nothing to do with the issue. I don’t watch Fox News so I will not speculate as to why they cover what they do or not do. Same with CNN, MSNBC, etc. However, I will say that it is very interesting that there were 500 homocides in Chicago this year, and because it is expected, no one seems to care. Everyone wants to stop the rare occurence of a school shooting (you’re more likey to be killed from your parents than in school).

    Like I said before. 11,000 gun deaths per year. If my initial number was even 100x too large, there are still twice as many people who use firearms in self-defense than are killed from them. Calling people who exercise their 2A right a “fetishist” has no place here. How much sense does it make if I called you a “free speech fetishist”? None. It is the same thing as what you’re doing.

  23. KingCranky says:

    Are each and every one of those incidents backed up by police reports and physical proof, or do they include anecdotes with nothing else backing up the person’s claim?

    How many of those claims are of the “I waved my gun at someone looking through my window and they ran away” variety?

    Did the people who put those “guns are used for self-defense” reports also prepare reports that list suicides used with those guns, or homeowners shooting family members they thought were intruders, or children who got hold of an unsecured firearm, shooting themselves or others, such as friends or siblings?

    If self-protection and home defense are the usual reasons guns are used, if such incidents are so commonplace, why don’t we hear about every single one from the-at least according to its viewers-one non-member of the “lamestream media”, FOX “News”?

    Unless, horror of horrors, by dint of its ratings superiority over MSNBC and CNN, FOX “News” is also part of that lamestream media and therefore covering up all such incidents with institutional silence.

    Well, either a cover up, or those situations don’t happen anywhere near as often as the gun-fetishists insist.

  24. KingCranky says:

    Reading comprehension isn’t something to be feared, I specifically stated that none of those weapons were wielded by armed civilians to stop rampaging gunmen committing a public massacre.

    Training for a few hours to get a CCW license, shooting at a paper target, in broad daylight, does NOT make one suddenly capable of dispatching a rampaging gunman with one coolly placed shot in the midst of a panicked crowd fleeing in every direction, and all without adding to the body count by hitting innocent victims instead of the original assailant.

    And regarding the armed civilian discharging their weapon in a sudden eruption of chaos & violence, what legal and criminal penalties should apply?

    Are you willing to be held legally accountable, prosecuted criminally and held financially liable if you shoot an innocent, fleeing victim instead of a rampaging gunman, or should you get a free pass with full legal immunity if/when you screw up?

    If you were shot by an armed civilian aiming at a rampaging gunman in a public setting, would you let the would-be rescuer off the hook for your medical costs and the economic losses to your family if you’re unable to work again?

    If the armed civilian-you-is shot because the cops don’t immediately know which is the gunman and which is the armed civilian, would you be wrong in trying to get compensated for medical costs and economic losses due to a situation you put yourself into, that of drawing your firearm and discharging it in public?

    Are you willing to sign such a legal waiver in order to receive a CCW license, if not, why?

    And that whole caterwauling about “gun free zones” brings up yet another reality conveniently ignored by the “more guns are better” acolytes, namely, with this country awash in guns, and with more people carrying firearms, just where are these would-be saviors during these public massacres?

    It’s not logical to think that if someone is so frightened and paranoid of becoming a victim to a rampaging gunman, they’ll carry a weapon, CCW license or no, but they won’t carry it in a “gun free zone” and just trust to luck, if that was the case, they wouldn’t be packing heat in the first place.

    It’s likely that there are armed civilians on the scene when these situations erupt, it’s also likely that their first instinct is to avoid getting shot, which means fleeing with the other victims, or hiding out because the rampaging gunman is using more powerful firearms.

    Regarding armed teachers, its doubtful that fewer innocent victims will be the result of more guns firing in enclosed areas with people fleeing in all directions, which is exactly why all the above scenarios and question I posted are relevant, the first time an innocent victim is gunned down by their would-be rescuer, or the armed civilian-instead of the original assailant-is shot by the cops, those questions will be front and center.

    The easiest way to prevent these massacres in the first place is to make sure the guns don’t fall into the wrong hands to start with, so your solution to bring that about is, what, exactly?

  25. KingCranky says:

    Right, no far-right knuckle-draggers are trying to inflict pain on a newspaper for printing public records regarding CCW licenses, it’s not like the blogger leading that effort has posted pictures of the employees children to push that backlash.

    Last I checked, the NRA, is dead set against a firearm database, they never argue in favor of one, or of making it easier for law enforcement to gather, or hold on to, or report and share information about the firearms used to commit crimes, LaPierre certainly didn’t make any mention of tying the two databases together with that infomercial where he cowardly refused to take any questions.

    And Adam Lanza, in response to a previous reply, did NOT live with his dad, but with his mother, who had the guns legally, guns which didn’t protect her, and certainly didn’t protect the Sandy Hook victims.

  26. MrApple says:

    You write that “They’re all fetish toys for men and women who revere violence – and Walmart, among others, is happy to pander to America’s fetish for violence.” as well as “Other than handcuffs for sex, you have to ask yourself how many things are manufactured for military and police, but also “the sporting field”?” It would seem that the author had more than firearms on his mind while in the process of writing.

    “…it’s not much of an argument for selling this kind of garbage at Walmart.” These firearms constitute garbage to you; have you been in a Walmart lately? The lion’s share of the merchandise sold in your average Walmart is barely one level above the usual stuff found in an flea market or swap meet.

    And let me ask this of the author, do drive a nice car, the nicest that you are able to afford? Wouldn’t a clunker that runs well do the job just as well? You make the choice to own the nicest vehicle because that is what is important to you, the same goes for the fan of an AR looking to purchase another rifle. And before you claim that cars and rifles don’t equate look at the numbers. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration states that 2010 30,196 people were killed fatal motor vehicle crashes. Where as the CDC states that 31,347 people were killed in 2009 by the use of a firearm. So what is my point? The point is that maybe your time would be better spent trying to actually find an honest to God solution to the very complex problem of violence in this country then aiming all your intention to this overly simplified juvenal attempt at a quick fix. Firearms are designed to send a projectile down range whether it was intended for a target, animal, or man. Where as vehicles are not specially designed to strike and kill people but they do quite often. Which would seem to have the higher failure rate?

  27. Vince says:

    There are up to 2,500,000 instances of civilians using firearms stopping criminals every year

    An article written by Gary Kleck, Ph.D. is a professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University

    This is a nifty map to look at showing some incidents of people using firearms in self-defense.

  28. Vince says:

    Racist? You’re the one who keeps mentioning “brown people” as you say it.

  29. Vince says:

    Why did you feel the need to bring race into this?

  30. Vince says:

    Actually, yes. A fully automatic AR15 (which is an M16) are hard to find an very expensive (sell for upwards of $15,000).

  31. Vince says:

    An AR-15 won’t fire without a barrel. Because of the way the rifle is designed, you cannot simply “take off the stock” to make it more concealable, as there is a buffer that sticks out from out of the gun about 6″

  32. Vince says:

    Pretty sure you have to give him a chance to answer before you claim that he’s “too scared to answer”

  33. ReaIAmerican says:

    Lmao!!!!!!! Are you a parent?

  34. Taylor says:

    Do you have some complex with being proven incorrect? Seems like a pretty common trend with the politically-obsessed. You can’t even bring about a well-constructed rebuttal beyond grade school-esque teasing. Grow the hell up.

  35. Taylor says:

    If you knew a thing about home defense, you’d open mouth an insert foot at this point. This weapon is ideal for home defense because of its maneuverability being a shorter rifle and the fact that it shoots a round typically incapable of penetrating walls and striking nearby homes or people outside the home. Aside from an adjustable stock (Which allows smaller shooters to better shoulder the rifle), a pistol grip (Simple human ergonomics), and a larger magazine in some (But not all) cases, this gun is no different from a standard hunting rifle- and those differences do nothing for its lethality. The military uses select-fire weapons with burst or fully-automatic capabilities, which are already illegal to the general public. Gun control junkies, hop off of your high horses and educate yourselves instead of submitting to every last fallacious comment to spill out of Michael Moore’s and Diane Feinstein’s mouths.

  36. AlanHan says:

    To the majority of gun-owning households in the US guns have not been a fetish object but a tool for skeet, trap, targets, huntin, and home defense against tramps, burglars, and the occasional loon. It is Hollywood that has developed the gun-as-fetish, and that is the perception of most non-gun-owners for whom Hollywood has defined the thing. Without guns-as-fetish and hot-chicks-as-fetish there wouldn’t be a Hollywood. In my youth the other group that made guns a fetish was the Black Panthers and their like. Senator Feinstein often recounts that she acquired a handgun and carry permit in the late seventies because of terrorist threats. She fails to point out that those were from left-wing groups, not the righties.

  37. AlanHan says:

    If one was pointed at you it wouldn’t matter, frankly, whether it was semi-auto, select-fire, or for that matter lever-action. It wouldn’t matter if it was a simple revolver. Does this “pointing at me” thing happen to you often?

  38. John Aravosis, if you took the same amount of time researching these guns at Walmart, and spent a bit of time studying ballistics reports from shootings, you will find that it often takes more than one shot to stop a determined attacker. You will find stories of drug filled attackers soaking up 3,5, or even 9, or 15 rounds and still walking to the ambulance on their own two feet. You will also find that in real life shootings hit percentages are usually around 50% or lower. So, if it takes 3 bullets to stop an attacker, and you could miss 50% of the time, then what do you need to defend your home from a home invasion where there are 5 armed intruders? 3 hits times 5 bad guys is 15 rounds. If 50% miss then you need 30 rounds. Huh, odd that’s the capacity of these firearms isn’t it?

  39. Molon Labe says:

    Don’t bother they do not care! everything that goes BANG! is an assault weapon, and if it’s black Uuuh boy that is one evil demonic rifle, wicked wicked.

  40. Molon Labe says:

    How creepy that honest people now are hunted like the jews in NZ Germany! Do you get that feel-good feeling inside? ATF all ready for another waco murdering rampage (21 children got killed in that “episode”) but that was of course legalized by our beloved ruler at that time. It is mind boggling how hypocritical one can get, if only those nice dollars keeps coming!

  41. ReaIAmerican says:

    Awaw, you mad again?

  42. EG says:

    Who let the mouse out? WOO!……WOO..WOO..WOO..WOO.WOO!
    Who let the mouse out? WOO!……WOO..WOO..WOO..WOO.WOO!

  43. ReaIAmerican says:

    I got you going now!!!! To funny!

  44. ReaIAmerican says:

    Hahahaha! Post over and over!!!! Ocd? Or just dumb? Which is it boy? To scared to answer?

  45. EG says:

    FBI murder report by weapon for 2011, Expanded Homicide Data Table 11:

    * Total murder victims – 12,664
    * total firearms murders – 8,583
    * Handguns – 6,220 victims
    * Rifles – 323 victims (The so called “assault weapons” are rifles)
    * Shotguns – 356 victims
    * Knives or cutting instruments – 1,694 victims
    * Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) – 496 victims
    * Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) – 726 victims

    This data tell us that in 2011 a murder victim had:

    * 524% more chances to die from a stab wound than from a rifle.
    * 225% more chances to die from a punch or a kick than from a rifle.
    * 153% more chances to die from a hammer or baseball bat than from a rifle.
    * Of all murders 2.25% are committed with a rifle.
    * Of all murders 2.81% are committed with a shotgun.
    * Of all murders 5.73% are committed with hands, fists or feet.
    * Of all murders 13.37% are committed with a knife or cutting instrument.
    * Of all murders 49.11% are committed with a hand gun.

    Seems to me a lot of people who ask for a rifle ban have their priorities quite confused.
    Seems to me that by eliminating the least offensive guns, a precedent will be established to ban all guns period.

  46. EG says:

    Here is a national petition for who is interested on having Senator Feinstein impeached for violating her oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States:


    This is a petition to have Mrs.Feinstein tried for treason:


    Please sign today, and write your elected representatives!

    Please note Mrs.Feinstein isn’t trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment with the due process set forth in the constitution, but by proposing a LAW that will circumvent and nullify a right granted to the people in the constitution.

    The very same constitution she sworn to support and defend.

  47. EG says:

    So why is it that Americans are made to feel so guilty about their 2nd Amendment rights, when a lot of victims of mass murders are in European States with very restrictive gun laws?

    Recent mass murders in Europe, all of them occurred in gun-free zones and in some Countries where guns in the hands of civilians are outlawed:

    * Zug, Switzerland, Sept. 27, 2001: A man whose lawsuits had been denied murdered 14 members of a cantonal parliament.
    * Tours, France, Oct. 29, 2001: Four people were killed and ten wounded when a French railway worker started shooting at a busy intersection.
    * Nanterre, France, March 27, 2002: A man killed eight city-council members after a council meeting.
    * Erfurt, Germany, April 26, 2002: A former student killed 18 at a secondary school.
    * Freising, Germany, Feb. 19, 2002: Three people killed and one wounded.
    * Turin, Italy, Oct. 15, 2002: Seven people killed on a hillside overlooking the city.
    * Madrid, Spain, Oct. 1, 2006: A man killed two employees and wounded another at a company that had fired him.
    * Emsdetten, Germany, Nov. 20, 2006: A former student murdered eleven people at a high school.
    * Tuusula, Finland, Nov. 7, 2007: Seven students and the principal killed at a high school.
    * Kauhajoki, Finland, Sept. 23, 2008: Ten people shot to death at a college.
    * Winnenden, Germany, March 11, 2009: A 17-year-old former student killed 15 people, including nine students and three teachers.
    * Lyon, France, March 19, 2009: Ten people injured when a man opened fire on a nursery school.
    * Athens, Greece, April 10, 2009: Three people killed and two injured by a student at a vocational college.
    * Rotterdam, Netherlands, April 11, 2009: Three people killed and one injured at a crowded café.
    * Vienna, Austria, May 24, 2009: One dead and 15 wounded in an attack on a Sikh temple.
    * Espoo, Finland, Dec. 31, 2009: Four people shot to death at a mall.
    * Cumbria, England, June 2, 2010: Twelve killed by a British taxi driver.
    * Oslo, Norway, July 22, 2011: 77 people killed by Anders Behring Breivik.

  48. karmanot says:

    Weak, try again Massah.

  49. karmanot says:

    Wally World: Guns, Gays and God…….. buy cheap, die early.

  50. Kenneth F says:

    If you have never tried the AR platform for target shooting and hunting please dont knock it. I really never thought I would care for one until after I had purchased it. Now I really like t and enjoy shooting it. Used it this fall to deer hunt with and it worked great. 1 shot 1 deer down. As to any gun legislation read the 2nd Amendment it says nothing about hunting it is for defense of our great country from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Which of the rights do you not want to have? What gives you the right to decide what rights I should not have?

  51. Naja pallida says:

    The text of both of those works are available freely online. And neither says any such thing. Your “education” seems limited to falsehoods created by people looking for any straw to grasp at to bolster their argument, reprinted as fact.

  52. Roger Elvim says:

    Disarming good people is not the answer. When you do that, you leave all the good people at the mercy of all the bad people who don’t follow the rules.

    And you’re wrong about what you said about those guns. As soon as the police show up, you have the very same rifles and handguns you want to see banned. Most police patrol rifles are semi-auto.

    Knowing what I know about what happens in other countries when only the police and military have any kind of firepower, it is of great comfort to me knowing that it is my right to own the same basic arms as those people. It forces them to follow the rules and be polite and not do what we see them do in most of the rest of the world. You are safer because of the 2nd Amendment whether you care to admit it or not is your problem.

    BTW, I totally disagree that anything needs to be done. I would like to see better mental health care for people who aren’t getting it. Other than that, we have enough laws to stop mass shootings already. What we need to do is get rid of the whole notion of “gun-free zones” because those are always the place that these mass shootings happen. We must make the few psychos who slip through the cracks have to work much harder to kill people and that means take away the easy targets and make everything look the same to them. I also think it isn’t a terrible idea to arm teachers or at least school principals. All the children of the elite are protected by armed guards at their schools. If it is good enough for the elite, it is good enough for everybody.

  53. Don Northrup says:

    The reason we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights is so that people like you can’t willy-nilly decide what is right for everyone. The whole accusation of being a “gun fetishist” is baloney–a fetish is a sexual obsession, and there aren’t many men out there having sex with their guns, so that’s just a crappy label thrown at a group of people who you don’t like. It’s snobbery, frankly, and not worthy of further discussion.

    As far as the jack-booted thugs go, what was said was about the ATF and it was right after the Waco incident, in which our government actively assaulted a religious compound full of women and children, based on a very thin pretext of wrongdoing and when there were better apprehension strategies available. The ATF acted the way they did because they desired a particular news headline. It was very similar illegal behavior to what we just saw happen with the Fast & Furious scandal in which corrupt elements of the ATF attempted to create a causus belli for more gun control. And you wonder why gun owners are concerned about our government? It is because our government is completely out of control.

    I think you had better get with the program here–your silence will not protect you and it will not protect the ones you love. Call it paranoia, but the headlines every day point to a rogue government that is hopelessly unable to control its spending and that will soon have to resort to more totalitarian control measures. I’m sure it was hard for certain Germans to accept the fact that their government would murder them, but it did happen, and there is not refuting that fact.

  54. Greg Jackson says:

    From assholes who want to control everyone’s life or at least express some idiotic opinion about every last thing somebody else does. That’s who.

  55. Greg Jackson says:

    I don’t understand all the hate. Stoner invented that rifle in the 1960s, based on much older technology. It’s 40 year old technology that you’re suddenly all in an uproar over. Also, the Browning BAR, a fully-automatic rifle invented in 1918 is really the underlying technology, so we’re talking just about 100 year old technology. This is simply idiotic–the guns are legal to sell, Wal-Mart can sell them. Most people shoot them responsibly and there are already laws against every single bad behavior you can engage in with any firearm, so again, what is the problem here? You’re wetting your pants with worry about what someone might do, but luckily, our rights aren’t based on what someone else fears might happen.

    And while I seriously doubt that AR-15s are used in home defense situations, the main alternative is a shotgun, and those are even more deadly at close range. It’s not your place to tell other people what they need or don’t need and as long as they are following the law, what is the problem except your personality?

  56. ForTehNguyen says:

    guns are to prevent govt from overthrowing liberty

  57. ForTehNguyen says:

    these guns fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, all of them function like this. Im sure you realize semi autos have existed for well over a century.

  58. Enlightened says:

    Actually he did:

    “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”

    10th Lecture of Freud’s “General Introduction to Psychoanalysis” (1952) AND
    Freud and Oppenheim’s “Dreams in Folklore” (1958)

    Naja pallida, I fear that your education may have let you down. Sorry I didn’t provide my sources with my original post.

  59. Josh says:

    Fuck you you liberal pansy.

  60. Robert Kuntz says:

    They’re not military weapons. Just not. How a weapon looks really is not the point. But then, you knew that, didn’t you? Here, try to tell them apart:

  61. Timothy Wahl says:

    if you dont like guns at walmart may i suggest you deport yourself to another country.

  62. Naja pallida says:

    The Supreme Court struck down the requirement that states share their mental health databases with the federal government, making it voluntary. Only about a dozen states actually choose to do so. They’ve tried to pass other things, but not much of it has been seriously enforced… and the gun show loophole completely negates it anyway.

    Of course, that only includes people who have been declared by a court as mentally ill. It takes some kind of incident for that to happen, they just don’t magically declare you insane. Even if you are prescribed medication for a psychosis from a doctor, it doesn’t necessarily have you legally declared insane. So how far do we take it? Does every doctor have to turn over their patient records, just in case?

  63. Naja pallida says:

    You don’t understand. Just by having these things around means that the simple fear that someone could whip out a gun at any time to defend themselves is going to magically deter criminals from wanting to use their own guns.

  64. Naja pallida says:

    Hey, at least they’re made in the USA. That’s a step up for Wal-Mart. We’re lucky they’re not selling asbestos and melamine laden guns made in China.

  65. Naja pallida says:

    Except no where in Freud’s writings did he ever actually write that.

  66. Jimmy Demouk says:

    I guess hunting, competition, target shooting, and self defense are imaginary.

  67. Enlightened says:

    “because no civilian has ever gotten ahold of anything illegal to them before”…

    Criminals have no respect for the law. Criminals don’t obey the law. Do you think that any amount of gun control will stop a determined criminal from getting a gun?

  68. Jimmy Demouk says:

    I love they way the ignorant have down voted your accurate post. Another failure of the public school system.

  69. Jimmy Demouk says:

    The AR-15 is the most popular hunting- sporting rifle in America today. They are not military weapons. They have been around for almost 50 years. You do know it’s the 21st century? All products have improved in the last 100 years. Otherwise we would still be driving model t fords and using manual typewriters. The Founders could never have imagined the internet, so it should not be included in the 1st amendment.

  70. Drew2u says:

    “The AR semi-autos only LOOK LIKE military weapons.”
    So if one is pointed in my direction I should assume that it’s ONLY a semi-auto because a civilian has it – because no civilian has ever gotten ahold of anything illegal to them before. And that person certainly wouldn’t and couldn’t be a plain-clothed military serviceperson who snapped, either.
    (along similar lines, there’s a reason why kids’ toy guns either look completely different than a real gun or have some obvious telltale sign, such as an orange barrel, to distinguish it from a real gun)

  71. Enlightened says:

    I don’t understand that posting the truth is “gloating and sneering”. Historically, gun control has not been beneficial to the society.

    History is not to be ignored and rest assured, History will repeat itself.

    People are going nuts buying semi-auto firearms for fear that they won’t be able to buy them in the future. People always want what they can no longer have.

  72. Enlightened says:

    My gun has never killed anyone. I always use a prophylactic.

  73. Enlightened says:

    Knowledge is the ultimate fetish.

  74. Enlightened says:

    Removing the stock from a rifle is against the law. That would be no different than having a sawed off shotgun. Very Illegal. But then again when did criminals ever care about the law.

    Actually, annual gun deaths in the US have been declining for the last twenty years or so.

    In the US, over 60% of all the deaths caused by guns are suicides.

  75. mirror says:

    It only takes one gun nut in the family to get a lot of people killed. But I count it if even one person could be saved from the death that spreads from the alter of your gun fetish.

  76. mirror says:

    Actually, moving to Chicago won’t protect me from the weapons anyone can buy elsewhere through the channels you and your NRA gun industry handlers keep open to make sure your paranoid fantasies of lots of deaths are realized. Sand Hook was a huge seasonal couple for the NRA’s corporate sponsors. Sales of assault rifles when through the roof! The love the PR effects of blood. Bunch of freakin’ vampires.

    It is clear how despicable and blood thirsty you are from your gloating and sneering at Chicago’s futile efforts to limit weapons in the face of you and your NRA gun industry handlers’ success at keeping the flow open from the factory to the street.

  77. mirror says:

    Gun fetish in action. Showed me didn’t he? Sheesh.

  78. Vegas Dave says:

    The one interesting feature of these weapons most don’t realize is if you take off the removable stock and rifle barrel, you have a high powered handgun. It still can hold the extended 30 or 100 round magazine, but now is more concealable. It is way past time to get rid of these killing devices. The only countries with worse deaths by these weapons are ones with worse gun laws then ours. Countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc. We are the only so-called civilized society that allows unfettered sales and we have the death rate to prove it.

  79. Enlightened says:

    So a Yugo = Lamborghini
    They both have all the same basic features. Semantics is not irrelevant. When is discourse every irrelevant?

    What is the obsession with fetishism? How is it that you KNOW what people are “wanting” or “substituting” for?

    Since you already “know”, there is no space left to learn.

  80. Enlightened says:

    Mike, You would not be wholly correct in that assumption. My wife has donated to the ACLU and for the cause I agreed with her (λ). If the ACLU would honestly approach ALL civil rights equally I would donate A LOT more.

  81. Enlightened says:

    “Not my fault reality isn’t to your liking.”

    I am not sure what your reality is or how anyone should be liking. You can’t carry a full sized rifle in your day to day life. If you have a concealed carry permit you can’t conceal a 30 round magazine, so there is NO chance that the average Joe is going to “stop a rampaging gunman slaughtering innocent victims” with either a full sized rifle or pistol with a 30 round magazine. “Theater(s), workplace(s) or elementary school(s)” are more often than not GUN FREE ZONES where you ARE NOT ALLOWED by law to carry a firearm.

    Once again Honest Law Abiding Citizens won’t break the law and carry legal firearms in Gun Free Zones to defend against “rampaging gunman”

  82. Mike_in_the_Tundra says:

    Well then, may we assume that you are a supporter of the ACLU?

  83. Enlightened says:

    Military weapons are select fire, meaning that they can fire: single shot (semi-auto), three round burst (many modern military weapons) or full auto (like a machine gun). Civilian firearms are ONLY semi-auto. Semi auto= Civilian , Full Auto/Select Fire=Military

    The AR semi-autos only LOOK LIKE military weapons. What is the fetish with basing a firearm on appearance.

    If you want a full auto firearm you must get a Class III firearm which are VERY expensive. No one on welfare is going to be able to afford a 15,000 firearm.

  84. Enlightened says:

    Slaves are both Red and Blue. No debate there.

  85. Enlightened says:

    The Patriot Act was not good for America. Neither is destroying the intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights one amendment at a time.

  86. Enlightened says:

    Statistically, are you are more likely to be assaulted not by a rifle but by a thug with a 22 caliber pistol. Less than 4% of murders are committed by rifles.

    Mirror, you can always move to Chicago. They have a complete gun ban, I hear it is very safe there. Whenever you ban guns, crime and violence goes up.

    Knowledge is a weapon too.

  87. Enlightened says:

    The SH shooter’s father was not a gun nut, nor a survivalist. The Columbine shooters and the Colorado theater shooter all came from privileged liberal backgrounds.

    Once again Mirror I think you are projecting. Apparently, you are able to understand my motives and judge me with only reading a few lines of text.

    Gun free zones , created by a bill sponsored by Biden, have had a VERY negative unintended consequence.

  88. Enlightened says:

    Military weapons are select fire and not for sale in the United States. Class III firearms are way too expensive to buy if you are receiving government assistance.

    All modern firearms are descendants of military firearms. EVERY one was originally designed for military use. Starting with muzzleloaders, thru bolt actions, thru semiauto to full auto.

    When the constitution was written the average gun owner had a firearm that was as powerful or more powerful/accurate than the military. The military had smooth bore muskets versus the Kentucky Rifle.

  89. Enlightened says:

    No condescension intended but a sincere attempt at education. Did you know what I posted was true?

    What I posted was truthful, informative and provided with links, for those that wanted to educate themselves.

  90. Enlightened says:

    MyrddinWilt, I didn’t notice that you were a professional therapist. Must be hard going through the day knowing exactly what everyone thinks.

    I didn’t know that Bush was so popular and respected by Gun Haters. You know what Freud said about fear of guns. “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”

  91. Enlightened says:

    Obviously the Government would INTEGRATE the mental health database with the firearm database. Why would that be hard to imagine.

    The slaughters that have occurred recently have been from privileged upper middle class democrats (or democratic parents). There appears to be a lot of wingnuts on either side of the political spectrum.

    Interesting that right wing nutjobs aren’t screaming trying to destroy your first amendment rights.

  92. mirror says:

    The Americans who combine their American racist gun nut fantasies with their Zionist ethnic cleansing gun nut fantasies are a group that makes me particularly nervous. Their being a Hollywood writer doesn’t change that one way or another.

    Every assault rifle and extra large clip you and your NRA gun industry maniputlators manages to slip into the society increases my and my family’s chances of being shot.

  93. karmanot says:

    Thank you mini mighty

  94. karmanot says:

    “They really do fear soldiers and government agents and police” And for good reason, now that the Constitutional right to Habeaus Corpus is moot..

  95. karmanot says:

    ‘looters and rapists and murderers’ are they like lions and tigers and bears, oh my? You forgot to mention the murder of innocent citizens during Katrina by ‘police’ and private corporate militias.

  96. Enlightened says:

    He is a Hollywood writer. Imagine that, a story written by someone that knows how to write.

    Don’t worry mirror, don’t prepare, don’t take responsibility for your family’s protection. You don’t need a gun, DON”T buy one. Don’t worry statistically the odds are it won’t happen.

  97. karmanot says:

    “Those who vote along a party line because money is credited to their accounts by the Government every month are indeed slaves.” Somebody stepped in it big time and tracked it through the rooms in the big house. Must have been one of those house slaves of yours.

  98. karmanot says:

    Well, the first step is defending your homestead by creating a massive rubbish barrier out of WAl*Mart crap.

  99. karmanot says:

    Thank you for the condescension. We’ll be working on it if you give us a gold star.

  100. mirror says:

    The gun nut dominated states are the main recipients of federal tax subsidies, money transfers from states that want sanity to gun nut parasite states. With less time hunkered down in the cellar with their military weapons and more time voting in political representatives who want to improve education and health care they might actually develop an economy that would allow them to pay their own way.

  101. mirror says:

    Holy cow! That is some weirdass Zionist fantasy. Seriously, in the end many of you gun nuts just end up the argument that you need unlimited firepower to protect yourself from a revolt by the brown people. It really is your best propaganda toward wives and mothers who know intellectually as a statistical fact that their families are way safer if no family member has a gun in the house.

  102. karmanot says:

    Or wonder woman’s magic bracelet inscribed with Rapture verses.

  103. mirror says:

    The final defense of the gun nuts. The brown people will rape your women. Sheesh.

  104. KingCranky says:

    Wasn’t aware that Korean shop owners were using weapons that had been banned during Clinton’s terms, the ban which has now expired.

    So please do show where any weapon on the now expired banned assault weapons list has been used to stop a massacre.

    Carry out, yes.

    Stop, no.

    No Bushmaster .223 has stopped a rampaging gunman, no pistol with a 30 round magazine has been wielded by an armed civilian to stop a rampaging gunman slaughtering innocent victims in a theater, workplace or elementary school.

    Not my fault reality isn’t to your liking.

  105. mirror says:

    The Sand Hook shooter’s mother was a typical survivalist gun nut like you. She thought that safety training meant more time at the shooting range, just like most gun nuts do. All those kids and teachers would be alive if she hadn’t been a gun nut like you.

  106. KingCranky says:

    Right, no one has ever been killed in a gun-heavy setting, like a gun show, or at shooting ranges, where, presumably, the armed civilians would be ready and able to stop just such an incident.

    And none of the guns that were formerly banned have been used to stop public massacres, they’ve only been used to carry them out.

    The obvious solution is to keep the guns out of the wrong hands to begin with, but with the NRA and its blithering lackeys resistant to such an idea, it’s obvious they believe these massacres and slaughters are just the price everyone else has to pay for the NRA’s right to profit from the firearm and ammunition industry.

    But regarding that database & registry of the mentally ill that Wingnut Supreme LaPierre blathered about, what’s the possible use of such a database if it can’t be matched up against a firearm database & registry, how could such a database/registry of mentally ill people be effective if background checks for gun purchases aren’t required from unlicensed dealers?

  107. MyrddinWilt says:

    Anyone who wants a machine gun is a nut.

    It has nothing to do with sport or defense, it is pure fetishism.

    Oh and anyone who writes the stupid comments quibbling about what is a machine gun is a nut as well. What the Bushmaster crowd want is a machine gun, the fact that the legal substitute isn’t quite a machine gun is irrelevant to the argument here.

  108. MyrddinWilt says:

    I think that is what is going through your mind, yes.

    I really and sincerely think that you are a nut and should not have any weapon at all. Let alone a gun of any type.

    And before you do the usual gun nut going all panty-twisty thing. Take a look at what President Bush I said about Wayne LaPierre when he resigned his life membership of the NRA.

    I have no time for organizations that call secret service members ‘NAZI jackbooted thugs’ after they were murdered by a terrorist.

  109. Caroline_not_so_sweet says:

    You’re absolutely right about the need to defend oneself in the aftermath of an event like a natural disaster. What I meant to say was that some preppers who stockpile weapons and ammo foresee something worse than a temporary breakdown in law an order. They prepare a total economic collapse or the government running amok and suspending civil liberties and confiscating all firearms. They really do fear soldiers and government agents and police.

  110. Enlightened says:

    Those who vote along a party line because money is credited to their accounts by the Government every month are indeed slaves.

    There was a reason that only land owners were allowed to vote when the Constitution was penned. Because the land owners were the ONLY ONES THAT PAID TAXES (to any appreciable amount).

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
    exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the
    public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the
    candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy
    collapses because of the loose fiscal policy,,,”
    -Alexis de Tocqueville.

  111. Enlightened says:

    In the event of an actual emergency situation (such as Katrina or LA Riots) you are much more likely to meet up with looters and rapists and murderers than “a drone, attack helicopter, or armored vehicle or tank”.

    So actually the rifle is a prime defense weapon against ‘looters and rapists and murderers’.

    Soldiers are our friends and brothers, ‘looters and rapists and murderers’ are NOT.

  112. Asterix says:

    Defense against what? As most constitutional historians will tell you, defense against slave uprisings. That’s one of the reasons the second amendment was championed by Virginia, which had almost as many slaves as citizens. Mason and others were concerned that the “progressives” in the Federal government would attempt to abolish slavery by commandeering the state militia.

  113. Enlightened says:

    Oh BS Comrade. There are MANY MANY calibers that the AR platform is made in that are legal to hunt ANY critter in the Americas. From 243 (the most popular deer hunting caliber) to 30 Remington (equivalent to .308) to .458 for Grizzly Bears. AR’s most common caliber is 223 but NOT the only caliber that it is chambered in.

    Honestly, Comrade it would be best if you do your research FIRST before spewing out the medias talking points.

  114. Enlightened says:

    I agree that nuts should not have guns, there should be a national database just like the felon database that will keep nutjobs from buying guns.

    You know that Adam was denied a gun purchase because he wasn’t of age, but he still managed to KILL his MOTHER to steal her guns. What can you do about a person that will kill his own mother other than put them away in a mental institution.

  115. Enlightened says:

    One can’t legally use ANY gun to defend in a “GUN FREE ZONE” these are the places that the last four “massacres” happened. If you have a gun to defend yourself, you are BREAKING THE LAW!

    Only law breakers may have guns in Gun Free Zones, well except for the police but they always show up AFTER the murders cause police catch criminals NOT stop crimes. Supreme court has ruled that police are not responsible to stop crime only catch criminals after the fact (paraphrased).

    Since the Gun Free Zones have been created the frequency of murderous assaults at schools has quintupled. Yep, Increased by a factor of four.

  116. drdick52 says:

    Creepy sort of epitomizes WalMart after all.

  117. Greg Tarpley says:

    So I suppose when I use my “weapon” at competitive matches I am “murdering as many humans as possible in the shortest amount of time.”? What about the people who hunt with these “weapons”? Also, it makes a dandy platform for defending your homestead.

  118. Caroline_not_so_sweet says:

    Like an AR-15 is any match for a drone, attack helicopter, or armored vehicle or tank. If law and order were to break down, I would be much more afraid of rogue soldiers and cops that have access to far more dangerous weapons than your average citizen.

  119. Drew2u says:

    “Overthrow of the U.S. Government”. Because when death rains from the sky, clinging to your gun and your bible will keep your family uninjured.

  120. Greg Tarpley says:

    “Since none of the gun-fetishists can show how any of the weapons they sexually idolize has EVER stopped a massacre, it’s good to know that guns don’t ever inflict any damage whatsoever, that the dead are killed with words alone, not bullets.”

    I just gave you an example. Look up how the Korean shopkeepers protected their lives, families, and stores during the LA riots. Of course those facts will probably fall on deaf ears. The gun-grabbers are losing their fight because they do not have the facts to back up their agenda. It’s all about doing something TODAY to make them feel better. We’ve had gun and magazine bans. We just had one expire after a decade. Do you know why it was allowed to expire? Because it didn’t make a difference in the crime rate one way or the other. Do you sincerely believe another ban will do anything?

  121. ComradeRutherford says:

    There is only one use for this weapon: murdering as many humans as possible in the shortest amount of time.

  122. Todd Morgan says:

    You are a disgrace as a man, an American and a human being. Grow up and open your eyes.

  123. Greg Tarpley says:

    I just read an old account yesterday called A Jew Without A Gun about a man trapped during the LA riots and he described precisely why we NEED guns like these. It’s not about NEED sir, I assure you. Oh, and did you know that WalMart also sells semi-automatic rifles that function just like those you’re so scared of but they look like a conventional rifle with a wood stock. Do your research before you start belittling something you know nothing about.

  124. KingCranky says:

    Since none of the gun-fetishists can show how any of the weapons they sexually idolize has EVER stopped a massacre, it’s good to know that guns don’t ever inflict any damage whatsoever, that the dead are killed with words alone, not bullets.

    And since you clearly won’t take your own advice about “Don’t cry”, perhaps your caterwauling is best directed at Congress, specifically those authoritarian loving Representatives & Senators who voted for the deliberately misnamed “Patriot” Act, the legislation which guts our 4th, 5th, 6th & 8th Amendment rights.

    Now that congressional action may be taken against guns, and the second amendment. it’s a clear case of Karma returning on those who stayed silent, or enthusiastically supported, the “Patriot” Act.

    I’ll lose as much sleep over the possible loss of any second amendment “freedoms” as the NRA leadership did over the “Patriot” Act, legislation the group did nothing to oppose.

  125. nicho says:

    Typical gun nut nonsense. People this challenged shouldn’t have guns.

  126. Enlightened says:

    If you don’t like them, Don’t Buy Them. If it hurts you to look at them, Don’t Look.

    Don’t cry big bird.

    I don’t think your speech is either sporting or for defense and shouldn’t be protected by the first amendment. I would like to infringe on your rights just as you would propagandize against mine.

  127. eahopp says:

    What did you expect from WalMart? They always sell “garbage” at their stores!

    And somehow, I do not think WalMart will be giving any “price guarantees on the M400s–let alone taking any returns.

  128. nicho says:

    If you don’t get yourself one of them guns, how can you call yourself a man?

  129. Max_1 says:

    “Gotta take our country back!” … from whom?
    “Before they take away our guns.” … They took away your privacy without a shot fired.
    “Save us from teh Socialists-s-s!”… Yea, get off my roads and highways!

  130. S1AMER says:

    It’s WalMart, Jake.

  131. UncleBucky says:

    Do they drop the prices on M400s? :))

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