Vatican frets gay marriage will lead to polygamy, frets less over own pedophilia

Washington Post:

Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi, for his part, said gays can have their rights protected by means other than through legal marital recognition. He stressed that children should have a right to say they have a father and a mother.

“If not, then why not contemplate freely chosen polygamy, and naturally so as to not discriminate, polyandry?” he asked sarcastically. Polyandry is when a woman has two or more husbands.

When you rape children, cover it, rape them again, cover it up, rape them again, finally get caught, still cover it up, apologize, recant your apology, then blame the victim, you have zero moral authority to lecture others about their supposed sins.

I do not understand why some group of normal Catholic doesn’t organize against their church’s extremism.  Every time the Vatican goes on some new moral jihad, the group should be there challenging their moral authority, their moral deprivation, in every story, at every press conference.  But progressive organizations don’t undersand how to win, are afraid of doing what it takes to win, so we get to listen to the Vatican’s hate, and hypocrisy, unchallenged.

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The ultimate irony is that people like the Catholic leadership always used us, gays, of being the ones who are a threat to children.  And now we know that the gay-pedophilia link was a lie, but the Vatican-pedophilia link is real.

And to add insult to injury, the Vatican has the nerve to claim that they’re hating on the gays because they’re worried about the best interests of children. These would be the children they’ve been raping for decades.  These would be the children whose foster care and adoption services Catholic Charities shut down, or threatened to shut down, in DC, Illinois and Massachusetts because to Catholic leaders hating gays is more important than loving children.

Then again, Catholic leaders aid and abet child rape, so we shouldn’t be surprised if they also have no qualms about leaving their victims parentless.

Catholic Charities’ Lucreda Cobbs sits on the board of the Coalition on Human Needs. Why?

What I don’t understand is why a group like Catholic Charities is permitted to remain on the board of directors of uber-liberal lead progressive organizations like the Coalition on Human Needs.  The Coalition on Human Needs’ membership is a who’s-who of liberal groups in Washington, DC.  Groups that seem to have no problem rubbing shoulders with anti-gay and anti-child bigots.   Catholic Charities is using children as human shields in its jihad against the civil rights of gays.

Do no liberal groups have a problem with this?  Would the Coalition on Human Needs let a racist group, or an anti-Semitic one, or one that bashes Latino, be on its board?  Or is the hate only tolerable when it comes from (rich) Catholics?

First, we’ve got the Catholic record of raping children and still to this day not coming clean.  Next, we’ve got the Catholic record of gay-bashing.  What are the lead liberal children and family organizations doing sitting on a board with, being members of, a group that is so right-wing, so hateful, and so inimical to the interests of children?

Oh, and it gets even better.  The US Conference of Catholic Bishops is also on the board of the Coalition on Human Needs.  Just in case Catholic Charities’ gay-bashing wasn’t enough for the lead liberal groups in Washington, DC.

Just to be clear, the Catholic Church has still not come fully clean on the child rape scandal.  A few recent headlines:

If any other organization in America had engaged in this systematic an abuse of children, and cover up, they’d have been shut down years ago. But in Washington, DC, if you systematically rape children, and continue to cover it up, then take children as political hostages, you get a seat on the board of one of the top liberal children and family coalitions in town.

It looks to me like there are a lot of threats to children, especially in this town – and the gays are the least of them.


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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=646361242 Homer Zerrudo

    So the Vatican says that gay marriage will lead to polygamy? Inversely, can we also assume that enforced celibacy, the priesthood and the wearing of flowing vestments will lead to pedophilia as well as its abetment?

  • mboro43@

    Religion = power, money, authority….ALWAYS….it never changes or digresses

  • Stev84

    My point was more that legal equality without at least some form of social acceptance doesn’t help that much. You can see that in South Africa, which has a very progressive constitution and SSM, but society doesn’t live those ideals.

  • tedhayes

    I sent the following to my local newspaper’s letters to the editor:

    I must admit that I was absolutely stunned when I read in the Sunday Freeman (November 11) about the Pope’s reaction to the United States’ election results. I was not the least bit surprised that he was angry, nor was I shocked that his spokesperson would sarcastically suggest that the gay marriage proponents should make a push for polygamous marriages as well.

    My real astonishment resulted from the fact that the Vatican did not suggest the enactment of legalization of pedophilia. Passage of such legislation would have saved them a great deal of money.

  • josephebacon

    It’s time to kick them off any liberal advocacy group.

  • http://insideoutandbackwards.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/creepy-clown-nun.jpg Ritorna Vincitor

    Oops!

  • http://adgitadiaries.blog-city.com karmanot

    Eve had a split personality?

  • http://adgitadiaries.blog-city.com karmanot

    Thank you!

  • http://adgitadiaries.blog-city.com karmanot

    Is that like petit foreplay?

  • http://adgitadiaries.blog-city.com karmanot

    There is both irony and paradox in negating the assumption regarding affirming the god myth.

  • http://adgitadiaries.blog-city.com karmanot

    They got what followed the squat.

  • http://adgitadiaries.blog-city.com karmanot

    Yep, they probably accept pedophilia because Mr. Jesus said, “Bring the children onto me.”

  • http://adgitadiaries.blog-city.com karmanot

    I don’t accept the premise that gay people want social acceptance. The hell with that. Gay people want full equality under Federal law and state laws as full rights American citizens.

  • http://adgitadiaries.blog-city.com karmanot

    I would tell the Vatican to go to hell, except they are too busy creating it to hear me.

  • http://twitter.com/jmi2000 mike ireland/

    can someone please remind these reprobates of this: “If any of you put a stumbling block before one of these little ones who believe in me, it would be better for you if a great millstone were fastened around your neck and you were drowned in the depth of the sea” (Matt 18:6)

    what do you call 1,000 clerical abusers at the bottom of the ocean? — a start! i know a modified old joke but it’s apropos…

  • Papa Bear

    Everyone else liked Michael best, but Jubal’s always been MY hero….

  • madcap

    Catholics HAVE revolted. They have done it with their feet. It is the reason that “no preference” has outnumbered catholic in the latest census.

  • http://www.facebook.com/damiano.iocovozzi Damiano Iocovozzi

    The Catholic Church has learned how to manipulate & deceive with a neat tool called FUD. Spread fear, uncertainty & doubt on your opponent by all means at your fingertips: the pulpit, pastoral letters, administrative speeches et al. FUD makes your enemies spin, sputter & try to explain themselves instead of your sins. The heat suddenly stops. Cutting through FUD & remaining true to the main topic is something most groups haven’t mastered. When I listen to counter-arguments, I can identify the fear statement, the uncertain statement, the doubtful one. The FUD statements are just red herrings, smoke & mirrors, used with dexterity to tear holes in your opponents’ integrity, arguments & community standing. Look at the global warming denialists- they use FUD like a charm.

  • rmthunter

    Oh, a third question: we’re talking about same-sex marriage. Why is he changing the subject?

  • rmthunter

    A couple of questions for the Catholic hierarchy:

    Why are the bishops so upset about polygamy? It has ample Biblical justification — just think about King Solomon.

    I’m surprised he didn’t bring up incest — that usually goes hand in glove with polygamy. On that score, if Adam and Eve were the first man and woman, who did their children marry?

  • hollywoodstein

    petit a petit, l’oiseau fait son nid.

  • hollywoodstein

    Imma gonna say it here and else where, one group that has not gotten any recognition for helping move the needle is the group of rationalists know as hard atheists. These folks are know as hard atheists since they do not suffer god bothering fools who hate gays. Instead of just shrugging theier shoulders and saying ok you hate gays thats what you believe okay-dokay. The Hard atheists challenge the god botherers publicly whether on the net, in public forums, in print, in politics, in town councils, etc.
    Along with all the good work with everyone pulling this train, I think we should recognize the efforts of the non=believers who are fighting for us.

  • silas1898

    Roommates??

  • silas1898

    They are picturing the orgies they wish they could have. Romans ya’ know :)

  • http://adgitadiaries.blog-city.com karmanot

    This nonsense from a cult that celebrates cannibalism with every Mass. ROTFL

  • UncleBucky

    Hah, in heaven only. Or between a spirit and humans… or…

    Yeah, it sounds pretty polygamous to me. I could say more, but it would not be nice regarding the issue of “ecstacy” eh?

  • UncleBucky

    right!

  • Stev84

    One reason priests abuse mostly boys is that that’s who they have easy access to. Altar girls were very uncommon until recently and are still not liked by conservative Catholics. But when given the chance, they rape girls too. See the Magdalene Asylums in Ireland.

    And It’s a fact that most pedophiles identify as straight. Pedophilia per definition is an attraction to prepubescent children. Gender often doesn’t matter and they even lose interest when they develop more obvious secondary sex characteristics.

  • JonInVA

    The gay-pedophelia link was a lie? When nearly ever priest abuse case involved young boys? Who are you kidding? And moral authority isn’t even necessary to come to self-evident conclusions about polygamy or polyandry based on common sense experience with seeing years of gay right “scope creep”, as well as legal precedence, and the similar moral, ethical and legal arguments made to justify gay marriage or any other consensual pairing once “traditional marriage” is no longer found to be of special interest to the state. There is no argument one can make to dismiss polygamy or even incest between non-reproducing siblings that doesn’t also cover gay marriage.

  • Butch1

    Polygamy is a separate and straight issue. Let them take that up with their straight parishioners. They can fret about it all they want. It has nothing to do with us.

    Considering THIS is “traditional marriage” in the bible they should be more concerned about their revisionist teachings of marriage of today instead. They have actually changed the definition of what marriage is as opposed to what it was in the bible. Perhaps they should be more concerned with that instead.

  • hauksdottir

    If her husband is a layabout, whose only “gifts” to her are more children to take care of, then she would be FAR better off if he did take the kids and lounge around his other wife’s dwelling. Otherwise, she’ll be supporting the other wife and those children as well.

  • davidinchelseama

    It is pretty intuitive to most people, and I believe that over time, science will bear this out…People are BORN either gay, straight, or bisexual, with respect to gender attraction. It will be harder to prove that people are BORN with a desire for polygamy. That is why same-gender marriage needs to be legal, whereas polygamous marriage is another matter. Even bisexuals most likely don’t have a desire to marry both genders at once. Bisexual doesn’t automatically equal polygamous. They just happen to have the ability to find either gender attractive. I’m bisexual and that is the case with me. I am monogamous with my partner of thirteen years, who happens to be the same gender as myself.

    Should people who want to have polygamous marriage be allowed to do so? In time, I suspect that will be the case. and I have no problem with that. The world evolves….slowly, but it evolves.

  • samiinh

    The rape of children by the catholic church has been going on for centuries.

  • benb

    Sounds like somebody spent a lot of money in anonymous donations to Super PACs this election and didn’t get squat to show for it.

  • nicho

    Well, nuns are considered “brides of Christ.” Hundreds of thousands of nuns — sounds pretty polygamous to me.

  • nicho

    Yes, but one-one-one marriage often isn’t consensual either in many of those places. So the problem is forced marriage — not polygamy.

  • Stev84

    The thing is that polygamy is NOT consensual in many cases. It’s not always consensual in the middle east. And it’s not consensual in fundamentalist Mormon cults. They forcefully marry off young girls to old men there.

    You should also know that in most cases, the poly community doesn’t actually want legal marriage to multiple people. They just went to be able to live together with several partners without social and legal hassle. In some states it’s illegal for people to live together like they are married without being so. And like gay people, they like social acceptance. That needs to change too.

  • http://insideoutandbackwards.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/creepy-clown-nun.jpg Ritorna Vincitor

    Oh, but the Catholic Church isn’t discriminating, you know. They are not anti-gay. According to the Minnesota Catholic Conference which fought to prevent gay marriage in Minnesota, “Our position on the amendment was never ‘anti’ anyone, but ‘for’ marriage. We continue to emphasize that everyone, including those with same-sex attraction, must be treated with charity, dignity, and respect.” By “respect” they mean denying gays the right to marry the one they love.

    Let’s face it. If the Pope were an American, and he did now what he did in Munich in 1980, he would be facing prison time for his direct involvement in knowingly transferring a pedophile priest and allowing that priest to continue to abuse.

  • Naja pallida

    I would argue in favor of polygamy… but only because I think that consenting adults should be able to enter into any kind of relationship they want, and be able to get legal and other protections for anyone they decide to consider family. Regardless of how that relationship works. Of course, excepting minors not legally capable of consent, and continuing to maintain the illegality of all forms of abuse. (Not unlike how Fox Noise was complaining about the legalization of weed in CO… “What is to stop someone from getting high and getting behind the wheel?” Well, it is pretty simple… we still have laws against driving intoxicated as well as laws against public intoxication.)

    Polygamy or some form of polyamory was the norm long before “Christian” morals showed up. For much more of human existence than the modern era, and while historically speaking it has been an oppressive system, especially under Abrahamic paternalistic societies, earlier pagan societies where they venerated the ability of the woman to bear children, it was rather different. Regardless, in a modern society, people should be capable of making their own choices with whom to build a family, without government or religion imposing on the situation. I won’t tell you how to live your life, if you don’t tell me how to live mine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cara.curfewkociela Cara Curfew-Kociela

    People need to understand that polygamy is NOT “sister
    wives” and “big love”. UT, AZ, TX and other
    states “turn a blind eye” to true polygamy where children
    (girls as young as 12) are married off to much older men and then live off of welfare, food stamps
    and Medicaid (known as “bleeding the beast”)… as discussed in new
    book “plygs”, a fact based journalistic view at the REAL world of
    polygamy … Warren Jeffs, the leader of this group (serving a life sentence
    for child rape) has recently ordered that only 15 men in the group can procreate
    with ANY of the women of their choice within the group… it is a SAD, SICK way
    to live. this group in UT / AZ / TX are
    nothing but pedophiles and welfare cheats…

    BUT the law makers in those states will not let an ADULT,
    TAX PAYING, gay couple marry …. go figure….

  • JamesR

    I believe you’ve made an unintended pun with your “knot” metaphor…

  • http://buddybest.tripod.com/index.html BuddyNovinski

    Back when I was going to a Catholic school and they forced me into a marriage course, one of the statement the priest made was that they recognize all other marriages. Four decades later, it is no longer true, although I’m still a misogamist!

  • http://buddybest.tripod.com/index.html BuddyNovinski

    What do a group of silly old men who deny themselves marriage as a vow of celibacy know about marriage? Honestly, it’s been 21 years since I left the Catholic Church, and they continue to confirm my decision.

  • Naja pallida

    Getting tired of having to check the Onion every time I see a news headline, to make sure it didn’t accidentally get picked up from there.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Nah. They can’t even explain their own previous rationales for slavery, the chattel property status of women, and racial segregation, much less why they’ve felt free to pick and choose among all the rules in that much-translated pre-iron age book of theirs, which is chock full of God-ordained rape, murder, arbitrary death penalties for minor cultural infractions, and genocide. I’ve got no patience for hypocrites.

  • Stev84

    They can’t seriously bring up the real argument against polygamy as practiced in most cases: that’s it’s degrading to women and leaves them with no rights. Because that’s what the Catholic Church wants as well.

    And yeah, for most of history children were raised in extended families. The so-called nuclear family only became possible with the industrial revolution

  • mf_roe

    Religion is a pyramid scheme where every lie depends on another, if it weren’t for the fact that lies can be spun from thin air it would have collapsed long ago.

  • Indigo

    That from the Vatican which looks away from the polygamy of their African followers in Kenya and Nigeria the rest of the African continent. It’s just a deliberately snotty remark from a cabal of foolish old men
    who recognize how entirely empty of moral value their claim to leadership is.

  • mf_roe

    Possible extension of this line of thought, education is an extension of child rearing undertaken by surrogate “parents”. The more varied the teachers, the broader the education.

  • caphillprof

    If we are truly interested in getting the Bishops OUT of the Coalition of Human Needs, then here is the list for lobbying:
    AFSCME

    Alliance for Children and Families

    American Association of People with Disabilities

    American Association of University Women

    American Friends Service Committee

    American Humane Association

    American Jewish Committee

    American Network of Community Options and Resources

    American Psychological Association

    Americans for Democratic Action

    The Arc and UCP Disability Policy Collaboration

    Association for Career and Technical Education

    Bread for the World

    Campaign for America’s Future

    Campaign for Youth Justice

    Catholic Charities USA

    Center for American Progress

    Center for Community Change

    Center for Economic and Policy Research

    Center for Law and Social Policy

    Center for People in Need

    Center on Budget & Policy Priorities

    Child Welfare League of America

    Children’s Defense Fund

    Church Women United

    Cities for Progress/Cities for Peace

    Citizens for Tax Justice

    Community Action Partnership

    Congressional Hunger Center

    Consortium for Citizens with Disabilities

    Corporation for Enterprise Development

    Council for Opportunity in Education

    Easter Seals, Inc.

    Economic Policy Institute

    Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

    Every Child Matters Foundation

    Families USA

    Feeding America

    First Focus

    Food Research & Action Center

    Franciscan Action Network

    Friends Committee on National Legislation

    General Board of Church & Society, United Methodist Church

    General Board of Global Ministries, United Methodist Church

    Generations United

    Housing Alliance of Pennsylvania

    Human Services Coalition of Oregon

    Institute for Women’s Policy Research

    Jewish Council for Public Affairs

    Legal Momentum

    Lutheran Services in America

    Mennonite Central Committee

    National Advocacy Center of the Sisters of the Good Shepherd

    National Alliance to End Homelessness

    National Association for State Community Services Programs

    National Association for the Education of Young Children

    National Association of Social Workers

    National Center for Housing and Child Welfare

    National Child Abuse Coalition

    National Child Support Enforcement Association

    National Coalition for the Homeless

    National Committee to Preserve Social Security & Medicare

    National Community Action Foundation

    National Community Reinvestment Coalition

    National Consumer Law Center

    National Council of Jewish Women

    National Council of La Raza

    National Disability Rights Network

    National Education Association

    National Employment Law Project

    National Energy Assistance Directors’ Association

    National Head Start Association

    National Housing Trust

    National Human Services Assembly

    National Immigration Law Center

    National Low Income Housing Coalition

    National Partnership for Women and Families

    National Priorities Project

    National Skills Coalition

    National WIC Association

    National Women’s Law Center

    National Youth Employment Coalition

    NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby

    OMB Watch

    Oregon Food Bank

    Poverty and Race Research Action Council

    Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) Washington Office

    Religious Action Center

    Research Institute for Independent Living

    RESULTS

    Salvation Army, National Social Services Office

    Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law

    Seekers Church

    Service Employee International Union

    Sisters of Mercy of the Americas, Inc

    Southeast Asia Resource Action Center

    The Jewish Federations of North America

    U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

    United Church of Christ – Justice and Witness Ministries

    United Way of America

    Voices for America’s Children

    Volunteers of America

    WAND Education Fund, Inc.

    Wider Opportunities for Women

    World Knowledge Bank

    YouthBuild USA

    YWCA USA

  • mf_roe

    LOL, projecting reason and logic as approaches useful to delusional “Believers”. “God” was invented to deny reality. “God’ isn’t love, rather an all powerful excuse for self-interest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-De-Salvio/1187769019 John De Salvio

    They left out the part where it will lead to marrying dogs. Think of all those poor, sad dogs who can’t tie the knot with their human partner!

  • AdmNaismith

    Indeed, more parents, better child-rearing. If, indeed, they are truly worried about the children…-

  • UncleBucky

    Polygamy? POLYGAMY???? And the RCC is holding hands with the LDS???

    OH my gosh I am laughing my monogamous patoot off!

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Just a side thought here: The Catholic church frets over whether gay marriage (which, last I checked, was still only two people) will lead to group marriage. Which makes no causal sense whatsoever.

    But what exactly is their point on group marriage being inherently bad or evil? I mean, if they want to go on about how a child must have one each of gender conforming male and female parents because for whatever reason a dichotomy is important to them — then wouldn’t MORE parents provide even more loving role models and a greater availability of a parental unit at all times? (Moreover, their own Bible has dozens and dozens of instances of polygamous clans.)

    I’m not arguing in favor of polygamy, I just want to know why nobody’s asked them, “And why do you say that’s inherently bad and presumably worse even than same sex marriage? Please explain, because according to the rationale of your anti-marriage equality arguments, a group marriage consisting of any arbitrary number of women and men would be even better than a mere two parents for the raising of kids.”*

    (* = With gratitude towards that randy old goat, Robert Heinlein, for introducing this radical notion to me many years ago, and coming up with some rather compelling reasons why it makes sense.)

  • Jim Olson

    And, if the Catholic Church wants to use a limited, religious definition of Marriage, then why are they not having the same conniption fit about non-Christians using the word? I’ll even give them that they do not object to members of the three Abrahamic faith families getting married, but why not have said fit about Hindus or Jains or atheists or Buddhists or whoever getting married? The logic just doesn’t follow, unless you understand that they’re just hating on teh gays. Stop raping children and covering up for the rapists, and maybe, just maybe, we’ll listen.

  • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

    Indeed. The irony is overwhelming, edging near into satirical territory.

  • Hatfield

    The are afraid gay marriage will lead to polygamy but they supported Romney.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1596723348 facebook-1596723348

    Polygamy is actually the gender neutral version, many men having many women. If you’re talking about one man having multiple women, it’s polygyny. As mentioned, polyandry is one woman having multiple men.

    So, Catholic Church? You don’t even know the basic vocabulary of multiple spouses.. STFU, thank you. :)

  • Hue-Man

    Why can’t the catholic church go after the actual polygamists rather than dreaming up hypothetical ones (personally, I’ve found one relationship at a time hard enough work without going out and looking for twice as much trouble)? I watched an unexpected example this past week on PBS – of course – in their Independent Lens series, this time “Solar Mamas”, an Indian training school for women – often illiterate – to learn how to install and maintain solar panels. http://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/nov/02/independent-lens-solar-mamas/

    The program is more about a Jordanian woman who is to be trained and the trials she goes through, particularly with her husband who is portrayed as a layabout, literally. She’s afraid that if she is too forceful, he will divorce her, take her kids, and move in permanently with his other (preferred) wife. Why aren’t the dirty old men in dresses from the Vatican screaming about “traditional marriage” at Muslims, the various LDS breakaway sects, and other religious cults? Ending these abusive multiple marriages would actually accomplish something useful.

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