Biden: Liberals need to ‘buck up’

Vice President Joe Biden on Lawrence O’Donnell’s show last night:

LAWRENCE O’DONNELL: Today you said that the base, your base in the Democratic party…

BIDEN: Yes.

LAWRENCE O’DONNELL: …should quote “stop whining.” I’m gonna give you an opportunity you used to have in the Senate, Mr. Vice President, would you like to revise and extend your remarks on that one?

BIDEN: Yes. What I think, what I mean… there’s some on the Democratic base, not the core of it, that are angry because we didn’t get every single thing they want. We got a health care bill that is becoming, every day it’ll become more apparent how much it does for people and businesses in terms of costs and availability. But because there was no public option some of them are so angry they say “we’re not gonna participate.” They should stop that. These guys, if they win, the other team, they’re gonna repeal health care, and I want them to tell me why what we did wasn’t an incredibly significant move that’s progressive and helping people. The same way with a lot of other issues. It’s time to focus.

Biden goes on to argue that liberals need to “buck up.” He adds, “there’s a new majority in the Senate, 60 votes.” And thus, per Biden, Obama couldn’t get a lot of what he wanted.

Two problems with that line of argument. First, George Bush did just fine with a 55 vote, and even a 50 vote, majority in the Senate. Why couldn’t Obama/Biden do just as well with 60?

Second, the reason there’s a new majority in the Senate, 60 votes, is because Democrats let it happen. I remember a few months ago when one of the Republican Senators, Jim Bunning, was filibustering unemployment benefits for hundreds of thousands of American workers. Obama did a remarkable thing. Joe reported on it, here’s what happened:

A few minutes ago on CNN, Ed Henry reported that he’d been tipped off by the White House that Obama was going to take “a jab” at Senator Bunning today when he got off Air Force One today in Georgia. Bunning certainly deserves the jab.

Didn’t happen.

According to Henry, the White House informed him that the Bunning line was removed from the President’s speech because Obama felt it would be too partisan. And, in any case, the brain trust at the White House doesn’t want to involve the President in every minute detail of what the Senate does.

Bunning’s filibuster has blocked benefits for hundreds of thousands of unemployed Americans. It’s stopped construction projects. It’s not a minor thing. Time after time, Republican filibusters have put the brakes on Obama’s agenda. And, why not? There are no consequences. The President sure doesn’t hold them accountable. What Bunning is doing is probably one of the most egregious filibusters to date. But, he’s getting a pass from Obama.

It might be a good idea for the President to engage himself in the Senate’s proceedings when the consequences are so enormous. People might like to know that their President is fighting for them instead of avoiding a fight.

The President refused to challenge someone standing in the way of his agenda. Sound familiar?

The reason the Republicans have been able to filibuster nearly every single piece of legislation, the reason we have a new majority in the Senate, is because Democrats – with Barack Obama at the top of the list – have enabled the Republicans every step of the way.

Rather than lecturing Democrats about how unreasonable they are to be upset with the President for constantly negotiating with himself, Biden would do better having a talk with his boss, and asking him why George Bush was so effective at passing his agenda, at kow-towing Democrats, and at thwarting opposition filibusters, when Bush had far fewer numbers than Obama has now in the US Senate.

60 is the new 50 because Democrats permit it be so.


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  • Kenneth C. Fingeret

    Hello John Aravosis,

    Whatever you think of the OBummer administration I feel that lying weasels, cheating bags of douche covers it pretty good.

  • dula

    Wasn’t Joe Biden the one who wouldn’t allow weapons inspector Scott Ritter to testify in Congress during the lead up to the Iraq War? That warmongering Joe? That Hawk who was so determined to have his war?

  • michael

    Wow…I like VP Biden. But he can go and Cheney himself. That all I have to say.

  • http://toastie.st Toastie

    Seeing that a viable progressive primary challenge is very unlikely*, is it possible that a third-party candidate could emergence that could appeal to the left and independents (and not guarantee a GOP victory)? Even if a third-party candidate could win the popular vote, could one ever capture 270 electoral votes? (*it is very unlikely, right?)

    • trinu

      Unfortunately, it seems the only way to further the progressive cause would be with a short term setback. Hopefully whatever losses the dems suffer this election will convince them not to abandon their base. If not, we may have no choice but to go with a third party, possibly handing the election to the GOP, to make a point.

  • creation

    I personally don’t help homophobic bigots and homophobic bigot supporters. Especially those who just want to spank me without so much as a reach around. I just don’t’ do it, color me pink but I just don’t.

  • Shels

    Great news. The AP reported yesterday that Republicans are outspending Democrats 6 to one. So all of your wildest passive-aggressive fantasies will come true in the spanking new Teabagger America.

    Death to America, bitches.

  • Sal_salomon

    Did you guys and gals realize that Biden does not consider us the core Base of the democratic party. His comment and I quote “there’s some on the Democratic base, not the core of it, that are angry”. I used to really respect Biden. But, he too has become incorrigible.

    These five guys (Obama, Biden, Axel, Gabbs, and rhammy) have created a fantasy world of their own. In their fantasy world, they have done a top-notch job in the first 20 months of this administration. Things are just hunky dory in this fantasy world. I am sure that this what they are deluding themselves to believe. That’s why they are making such comments. Little do they realize that WE ARE THE CORE OF THE CORE DEMOCRATIC BASE.

    When will these five guys learn?

  • Justin

    “It’s not helpful,” said John Aravosis, the editor of the progressive AMERICAblog.com. “The base is depressed and they’re depressing it even more, and it’s not clear why.” …REALLY? I’m not depressed. I’d be depressed if John McCain won the election in 2008. I’ll be depressed if DEMS lose the House in November. Stop trying to perpetuate this self-fulfilling prophecy and start energizing your readers and let them know what is truly at stake here. You don’t help the cause any by your constant Obama-BASHING.

    • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

      Yes, that’s it. I raised $43,000 for Obama, beat the crap out of Hillary during the primaries and alienated a good chunk of our readers, because I’m interested in simply bashing Obama. Uh huh. You’re right. No one is upset with Obama, no one has had it with Democrats overall. It’s all a fantasy. And that’s why there’s a huge enthusiasm gap in the polls – because there really isn’t one, it’s all a fantasy.

      We can’t win elections if we simply bury our heads in the sand and pretend there’s no problem. I for one don’t plan to bury. You may if that works for you

      • KarenMrsLloydRichards

        Peter Daou (sp? he needs more consonants . . .) says today you are one of four liberal bloggers who are bringing down the Obama Presidency (Glenn, Marcy, Jane are the others).

        With such great power, come great . . . responsibility.

        • tsuki

          Wow. To be in such company. Go, John!

      • Justin

        Everything you post BASHES Obama. It’s the same crap every day. What don’t you get? You get two choices: GOP or DEM. DEMS and YES, even Obama might suck, but the GOP sucks way more. It’s a no-brainer to me. I prefer not to bite of my nose to spite my face. Thanks.

        • NotTimothyGeithner

          Why do even bother? If you gave a fuck, get off your sorry ass and talk to some low info voters. Everyone understands its a two-party system. Apparently, a lot of Obots and Democratic strategists believe thats profound.

    • Sal_salomon

      Justy:
      Why don’t you blog at the WH blogs. There, you can do all the Obama praising that you want to do.

    • Mighty

      I’ve only recently began posting here and I assure you I was unhappy with things long before that. Blaming John for Obama AND the democratic parties handling of their majority is wrong. While John has some hefty opinion and tends to make logical arguments I and I suspect others are not his mindless drones. We can think for ourselves.

    • http://insideoutandbackwards.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/creepy-clown-nun.jpg Ritorna Vincitor

      Ok gang. Let’s get energized for Obama!! Let’s cheer for that public option health care reform give away to the insurance companies. Let’s help him fight for against gay rights. Let’s watch the economy grow slide. Let’s…… oh, forget it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.bousquet Mark Bousquet

    Obama really makes me sick.

  • http://insideoutandbackwards.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/creepy-clown-nun.jpg Ritorna Vincitor

    Biden to liberals: Shut up, take your seats at the back and whip out those checkbooks or we’ll throw you under the bus with the whiny gays.

  • Butch1

    I’ve had to disconnect emotionally, with the democrats and their “lose-lose” game plan just for my own sanity and health. It is difficult having to watch them again and again, choose defeat over easy victories they could have had if they had a spine and were willing to stand up to the loud-mouthed right. I have never been more disgusted in my representatives as I am today. They can all just go home and stay there for a little as they do when they are in Congress. They had better get used to staying home because many of them will be given the chance to do that permanently after the November elections and it will be their own damned fault, not the base on whom they are blaming their present problem. Obama tells us he wants our input and that we need to hold his feet to the fire, yet, the moment we try and do that, we get punched in the gut for daring to question them or their lying, cowardly actions, and call us to quit whining about it.

  • devldog

    Dear Vice President Biden,

    Buck you.

    Sincerely,

    Your Base

  • NotTimothyGeithner

    I did think of one really good reason to go out and vote Democratic. They hate being the majority party. As a minority, they get all the perks, can blame the GOP, and not have the responsibility of governing. We pretty much need to vote for the Democrats to punish them. Its pretty much the only argument which makes sense.

    • Griffon

      “They hate being the majority party. As a minority, they get all the perks, can blame the GOP, and not have the responsibility of governing.”

      Um, and that’s different from their majority how?

      *rimshot*

      • NotTimothyGeithner

        Good point. I guess they don’t get knocked on The Daily Show as a minority. That bothers them.

  • Paul

    So you don’t like Obama’s tactics. This means you go to the other side? You’re firing at the Democrats. You should be firing at the Republicans.

    Or do you want Democrats to lose big so you can then say “I told you so.”?

    • NotTimothyGeithner

      Really? Are you serious? If the Democrats lose, will the Republicans win? I can’t believe I never thought of that. Wow, just whoa you have blown my mind. I never would have thought one party losing would result in the success of the other party in a two party system. Weird. Its so profound. You must be advising the President with that kind of political acumen.

    • Griffon

      “So you don’t like Obama’s tactics.”

      Assassination is a ‘tactic,’ now? Torture, a ‘tactic?’

      So I guess intimidation and violating the civil rights of anti-war protesters is “canvassing?”

    • Butch1

      When Obama and the rest of the democrats quit firing their vitriol at us, I will take it in consideration, and until then, they have done nothing to make me consider voting for them. Any person or party attacking me is my enemy. I really do not care if the republicans get in if the democrats in power do not care to do their jobs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mark.bousquet Mark Bousquet

      You’re like a dog who loves getting kicked.

    • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

      I never said I’m voting Republican. I am, however, concerned that when I vote for a party in return for explicit promises, and then that party breaks those promises, that I’m setting myself up to become a pushover. The party will continue to come to me for support because it knows that it can make any promise, and then break any promise, and I’ll still be there for them. I think that’s dangerous. It also begs the question of why I’m in politics in the first place. And I’m here to elect Democrats, or to advance a progressive agenda by electing Democrats. I’m here for the latter, you appear to be here for the former.

      • KarenMrsLloydRichards

        BO/JB Comics Presents:

        “Hey, hippie; meet fist!” “KA-POW!!”

    • meg

      There is a thing called accountability.

  • Ma’at

    Joe Biden … f*** you.

    You are JUST like Fox news .. trying to scare us into voting. I no longer vote for just “the lesser of two evils”. I’m gonna sit out. Call me all the names you want.

    • Butch1

      It seems like he has forgotten what it is like to be part of the common people since he quit taking his train rides back and forth to D.C. as a senator. Amazing what living in a bubble can do to your perspective and how you view the working class.

      • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

        Idle musing: I wonder what flavor Biden’s Kool-aid was.

        • Dagoril

          Bourbon flavor, knowing Biden.

  • Naja pallida

    Well, I will take Biden’s advice and compare him to the alternatives. I guess I’ll be voting Green Party this time around.

  • Dagoril

    Fuck you Biden. How’s that for bucking up? I’m voting Republican to get you assholes out of office.

    So stop yer whining! It’s eleven-dimensional chess by us Professional Leftists!

    • Butch1

      Try voting Green party, you’ll feel better. ;-)

      • http://toastie.st Toastie

        Ah, I see your answer. I’m happy to partake, but you’ve got to do better than Cynthia McKinney.

        • Butch1

          Perhaps, we need people to primary her as well. She does appear to be their favorite candidate. I must confess, I am new at looking into this party as well and I do not know that much about her. I will be checking though since 2012 will be upon us in short time.

          • http://toastie.st Toastie

            I have a good friend who was involved in my state’s Green Party 5-6 years ago. I’m asking her what’s been going on with them lately. By suspicion is that they may have gone even farther to the left since the Nader days, which may be too far left for me. (It’s probably more complicated than just being this much left or that much left; I need to look into it more.)

            • Butch1

              A party listing to the left would be a “breath of fresh air” to me. ;-)

      • Dagoril

        My politics are more aligned with the Greens. But voting Green won’t push a Dem out. Voting Puke will. And next election, hopefully the Dem running against that Puke will be to the left of Maggie Thatcher.

        • Butch1

          It won’t right away but, the more people break their addiction to voting for democrats because they think they are any less evil continue to enable them. Both democrats and repubicans seem to have been taken over by the corporatists who are paying good money to get their agenda voted into reality. I’m tired of holding my nose and voting. I have found that the progressive third parties lean in the direction I do on most issues. Why not break the addiction and start giving them a chance? Perhaps, the first few times at the voting box won’t get rid of those who rule against the people but, the voting box is our only chance to get rid of them and scare the corporate class taking over this government. If enough people get on board, it can be achieved.

  • Sonofloud

    Yes democrats….where is your support for assassination orders of US citizens without trial and weapons deals with Saudi Arabia !!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PQBMUQ3KLNJ4J6MWQLN4G2HZBE colonelgirdle

    Joe, just shut the f— up!

  • SCLiberal

    Let the wingnuts get voted into office. At this point, I’m really curious to see how much the American public will put up with.

    • http://toastie.st Toastie

      After 8 years of Bush, and years of Gingrich and DeLay, and Boehner and McConnell, I think we could actually wait out another couple of years of awful…IF more Americans finally came to their senses AND the Democrat Party finally moved back to the left as a result. Then, maybe Obama and Dems in Congress would have landslide victories in 2012, and we might the results we hoped for in 2008.

      But those are two big IFS. I really don’t know what level of ridiculous it will take for Americans to wise up. And I don’t think stem-cell research can proceed fast enough to regenerate Democrats’ spines.

      And then we’re looking at another lost decade.

      Personally, Joe Biden telling me to “buck up” isn’t working as a motivator.

      • Butch1

        “I think we could actually wait out another couple of years of awful. . .”
        ======================

        You go right ahead, I’ve seen and waited enough. Time to move on without these co-dependent jerks.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mark.bousquet Mark Bousquet

        Do we really want to keep these corporate stooges in the Oval Office past 2012???

        • http://toastie.st Toastie

          What’s the third option? Third party? Primary challenge to Obama? From where? I’m all ears. Who’s a likable liberal billionaire who believes he/she could make more of a difference serving in public office than in private life? I say “billionaire” because someone who can self-finance would be ideal. Imagine all the energy that was behind Obama in ’08 but without the having to worry about raising money.

          • NotTimothyGeithner

            But what billionaire? It would be nice if there was someone out there, but take Bloomberg for instance, he was a Republican until mid-2008. Yeah, he is good on gun control, and acknowledges basic Constitutional rights. I would love for the President of the U.S. to be someone who had to deal with diplomat parking in New York. That could just be awesome, but I can’t get over his public Republican status for 7 and half years of the Bush Administration.

            • http://toastie.st Toastie

              That’s why I didn’t name names. :) Same thoughts on Bloomberg. There aren’t that many billionaires, so I thought of Oprah. She could be a figurehead and her running mate could be Paul Krugman. Bill Gates…I forgive him for his Microsoft evils. He has done a lot of good domestically on education and globally on health and poverty. Or…since Bill has only become less evil since marrying Melinda, maybe Melinda Gates… I have no serious suggestions…

              At the very least, a billionaire could keeping spending in check by self-fundomg one of the lame little bills Obama has been patting himself on the back for lately. Of course, that highlights the problem that most billionaires can do a lot more good by doing something other than being President.

              • NotTimothyGeithner

                Oprah? Really? I don’t care for her. She has attacked American school children for being materialistic; while, promoting George W. Bush on her show, not taking an anti-war stance when she was needed, and promoting materialism in American society on every show. She lacks the temperament to be President. At the end of the day, she represents the worse of limousine liberal. She had her opportunities and decided tea with Bush and Laura was more important.

                Gates has some wacky ideas on education. He’s with those charter school nuts.

              • http://toastie.st Toastie

                No, not really! That’s why I suggested Paul Krugman as her VP. I wish Paul Krugman could be President. I’d settle for the current President hiring Krugman, but that’s not going to happen.

              • NotTimothyGeithner

                Didn’t Krugman write a book called “The Coming Housing Collapse in Fall 2008.”? He wrote it in 1999. He was off by a whole season, and thus is not a very serious person and must not be listened to.

      • meg

        That is interesting to note that as the Republicans move farther to the right, the Democrats also move farther to the right.

        • http://toastie.st Toastie

          Yeah, and then the compromise position also moves farther to the right. :/

    • Butch1

      I had better get my “Plan B, C, and D, in order before this happens. You know they will need a scapegoat when things do not go as they plan for them to go.

  • synical

    Obama describes Democratic apathy as “inexcusable” and “irresponsible”. It’s kind of funny–I use those same words to describe much of his behavior and so-called “accomplishments” for the first half of his term.Yo bucko, it isn’t apathy. It’s good old-fashioned anger for the way you and the Blue Dogs sold out your supporters and the middle class for all your savvy Wall Street pals and fellow conservatives. For the way you sold out and worked against the civil rights for the GLBT community. For the way you and the BDs sold out the Constitution to the MIC. That’s just for starters.What? Words like “record poverty”, “persistent high unemployment”, “joblessness”, “homelessness”, “hunger”, “foreclosure” and “shrinking middle class” are too ugly for your beautiful mind?You pull out “easier to read credit cards statements” like it’s supposed to be a magical elixir to people in misery. You’re just as out of touch with The People as Bush-I was when he was floored by the “magic” of the barcode reader in a supermarket. Like Shrub, it turns out you’re nothing more than an accomplished common folk poser, sir. You no longer have a clue about their life struggles. I’m not sure you ever really did.To Biden: If you idiots think the public option was the only reason for the anger out here you might want to check the reading comprehension levels of the flacks that report the general mood back to you. Excuses for poor performance won’t win elections. Neither will telling constituents you’ve tossed aside to “grow up”, “get over it” and vote for the pols who view them with dripping contempt and their interests as inconvenient and extreme. And how exactly does that differ from the way Republicans treat us? Establishment Dems really are that clueless, aren’t they? No wonder you’re in trouble.

  • Drew2u

    Okay, so the Primaries are over with, right? Has anyone compiled a list of Blue-Dogs that are running, or a list of actual progressive Democrats who are on the ballot this year?Who are we all supposed to watch out for and who are we supposed to support (campaign donations, etc)? I have a pretty easy decision because it’s either a guy who favors child molesters (the GOP candidate of course), or a very successful moderate Democrat.

    EDIT: GOP websites are very good at having a sidebar with who to contact and what statements to read off. Why don’t the Left have sites like that?

  • tsuki

    I am having difficulty with the “lesser of two evils” concept.

    I am represented by a teabagging Blue Dog. Anti-gay, check Anti-women, check Anti-public option, check Pro-social security “reform”, check Pro-war, check Pro-Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, check Anti-net neutrality, check…etc, etc, etc. But he do talk “purdy”.

    The teabagger is a teabagging wingnut with all the wingnut rhetoric.

    Now, what is in my best interest, Mr. Biden?

    Do I send the teabagging Blue Dog to congress, the one who has the President’s ear…heart, mind, body to implement his teabagging Blue Dog agenda, or send the teabagger whose agenda is to shut down government and have nothing get through?

    That’s not whining. That is seriously considering my self-interest.

    Whining is when you have control of all of the government and complain that you are being blocked from passing meaningful legislation by…orange gremlins.

    • Griffon

      Extra virtual “Likes” for “orange gremlins.”

    • Shels

      Are you talking about The Benator in Nebraska?

    • Bluestocking

      Orange gremlins?

      I take it you mean John Boehner…?

    • Butch1

      ” . . . or send the teabagger whose agenda is to shut down government and have nothing get through?”
      =========================

      After watching Waxman et al trying to screw up Net Neutral and other such anti- citizen bills, perhaps, we need the teabaggers stopping government bills from getting through? The democrats are not moving in the direction I think they should be going. They are tracking further and further from the left by the minute. They need to be stopped.

  • http://twitter.com/okojo okojo

    “Bush did fine with 55″. Bush’s domestic agenda was tax cuts and marriage amendment to ban same sex marriage. I would had thought a former Senate staffer as yourself, would appreciate how one Senator can throw monkey wrenches in the system.

    • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

      Then why didn’t the Democratic Senators throw more monkey wrenches during the Bush Administration?

      Oh yeah — half of them were too busy voting for GOP initiatives and policies.

      • http://twitter.com/okojo okojo

        They did throw some monkey wrenches. They shut down the Senate, they blocked a couple judges. It is really difficult to block a SCOTUS nominee, unless they reach a level of Bork like proportions, (and get help from the other side) They deep six Bush’s privatization of Social Security, allegedly the cornerstone of his Domestic Policy from 2005 onward.

        The Senate only works through cooperation, some may look at it as selling out, but their has to be lots of compromise even to get clear cut legislation passed.

        John’s argument that Bush got his agenda passed through the 55 GOP senate majority of 2005-2007, ignores that Bush really didn’t have a big agenda, many of the bills were passed because they were labeled as budget reconciliation that could by pass a Senate filibuster. The Medicare D was one of those bills, that was a compromise between Dems and Republicans, even though it was the worse of compromise, because it just gave subsidies to pharmaceutical companies to allow them to charge whatever price to their drugs, instead of price controls. However Senator Kennedy have been fighting for Medicare D for ages, and this was the compromise legislation, even though it ballooned the deficit.

  • scottinsf

    This administration is so pathetic. Nothing more I can say at this point.

  • osage

    Is this an example of today’s Democratic leadership’s political acumen……insult the people who feel let down most in hopes that that will inspire them to ignore the fact you’ve let them down? Republicans aren’t the only ones who are dividing and conquering themselves.

  • herrnichte

    And they did it again today: 28-Sep: “Obama Rolling Stone Interview: Calls Out ‘Irresponsible’ Democratic Voters For Apathy”

    Here’s a media syllogism I’d like to see: Constantly whining about whining *is* whining!

    • Butch1

      He has nothing else going for him so he blames others for his failures especially, when those failures were pointed out to him in advance but he was to stubborn and arrogant to listen. His type will never accept culpability.

  • NotTimothyGeithner

    I cant decide what bugs me more:

    -Obama’s crookedness
    -Obama’s spinelessness
    -Obama’s overrated brilliance
    -or just that the President is a little bitch.

    • Griffon

      We’re seeing the real Obama for the first time.

      • synical

        Not really. But I had hoped he’d grow up a little since he posted his two pissy diaries over the the Great Orange Satan many years ago. Turns out he honed his smugness and has gotten even more thin-skinned. Ah, the flashing neon signs I brushed aside for inspiring speeches and promises of change.

    • http://toastie.st Toastie

      NTG – totally on the same page with you here. :)

  • Clarebeatrice

    “60 is the new 50 because Democrats permit it be so”

    amen John. by refusing to pass a Budget this session, they rendered the Reconciliation Instructions contained in the Budget Resolution they passed in April – MOOT

    and then of course proceeded to waste their political capital on the GOP As Obstructionist meme – no doubt because some 7 figure a year consultant/strategist advised it was a winner

    and it proved handy with those issues (DADT) that they didn’t want to pass anyway

    • Butch1

      They also don’t like us guessing the exact reasons why they continue to block DADT in Congress and the Courts. We guess right almost all of the time and it really bothers them that we get it right so many times and that we can see through their long thought out games and strategies so well. ;-)

  • nicho

    Barry and Joe bucked up and they need to buck off. Buckin’ idiots.

  • Curt

    I was hoping to that Biden would comment on DADT repeal. Remember he told Rachel Maddow that the President did not stop expelling gays and lesbians, because Obama had a “deal” on DADT. What happened!

    • Gaylib

      Biden is a pathetic drunk. Even when he doesn’t have his foot in his mouth, nothing he says should be taken seriously.

      • Roy

        My sentiments exactly. My first thought after I read the first paragraph was …Biden, you are sooooo full of shit! What a lying blowhard.

    • Butch1

      One thing you can count on from Obama is that he is great making his back room deals always at our expense.

  • Gaylib

    This behavior should come as no shock to anyone. It is the exact kind of rhetoric Obama used whenever he was about to lose a primary to Clinton in ’08. Whether it was the racist hillbillies in WV and Kentucky, or the bitter, gun-toting voters of Pennsylvania, Obama never missed an opportunity to bash Democratic voters who didn’t believe in his greatness, all the while talking about the brilliance of Reagan and the need to reach across the aisle to Republican voters. The only difference now is that there are a lot more people who feel less than inspired to vote for him or his party. Lets see how trashing his own constituents works out for him this time. BTW, he lost BIG in PA, WV, and KY.

  • Ghost of LBJ

    Obviously, meant 2012.

  • fp

    Since Our military has to protect the rest of world ,
    we should charge Corporations that move jobs there for that service.

    RAISE THEIR FUCKING TAXES!!!

    • NotTimothyGeithner

      We could end the tax breaks they started to get the 80′s for it, but that would mean going after the President’s hero Ronald Reagan.

  • Ghost of LBJ

    Unfortunately, and much as I dislike it, Biden is probably right. The prospect of a Senate with Pat Toomey and Linda McMahon and a bunch of other crazies in it is too great a risk to take. It would be nice if we could afford to hunker down and wait until 2010, but these guys, if they get control, are actually dangerous. I don’t want my social security and medicare monkeyed with, and I don’t want the government paralyzed from doing anything about the economy. Afraid we have to hold our noses and vote. Choice of better of two evils is better than evil — and that’s what’s coming. There are a couple of problems I find endlessly frustrating. One is that we don’t have a real filibuster. The Democrats in the Senate are too much cowards to force the Republicans to stay up all night and talk their stupid nonsense to the country, so that the voters can see what’s really going on. So all it takes it the threat of a filibuster, and the Senate gets terminal constipation. We should abolish the filibuster if we’re not going to use it, or at least reduce the number to 52 or 55. It’s outlived its usefulness. What it amounts to now is that big-moneyed interests can scare enough senators to stymie even a strong majority from doing anything. That’s just wrong. The Senate has ceased to function, and its paralysis is damaging to the country. The other thing is the President’s willingness to defer to the legislative branch in the vain hope that a consensus among people of goodwill would emerge. That was, and is, folly. You’d think they would have learned their lesson by now. The country wants leadership. It doesn’t want 535 overpaid gasbags engaging in endless verbal masturbation. Perhaps part of the problem is Obama’s scant experience in the Senate. If he’d been there longer, as LBJ was, he might not have been so indulgent of it. We want the President to lead, dammit. So, for crying out loud, force a vote on the tax cut extension for the middle class. Do it now. Make them filibuster it. Take it to the country. Do the same thing with DADT and immigration and several other things. Yeah, maybe you’ll lose, but at least you would have stood for something. And, if you pull a Harry Truman, you just might win and we’ll all be better off.

    • Griffon

      “Unfortunately, and much as I dislike it, Biden is probably right. The prospect of a Senate with Pat Toomey and Linda McMahon and a bunch of other crazies in it is too great a risk to take. It would be nice if we could afford to hunker down and wait until 2010, but these guys, if they get control, are actually dangerous.”

      Bahahahaha! Thanks for the parody and the laugh this morning, Ghost. You sounded just like those benighted ‘bots who completely ignore the horrific policies, violations and hypocrisy of Obama and try to foist the boogieman of republicans: exactly what we already have in the democrats and Obama.

      I laughed ’til I cried.

    • NotTimothyGeithner

      “And, if you pull a Harry Truman,”

      Sorry, Obama can’t pull a Harry Truman because he isn’t a Harry Truman. Obama has coddled war profiteers and “savvy businessmen.” Truman threw war profiteers in prison and was named Vice-President he was going to go after the White House Chief of Staff because he found a lot of money going to a couple of places in New Mexico and Ohio with no records being kept. He assumed there was a conspiracy to rob the country. He was literally about to drive to Los Alamos with Federal Marshalls and the press. They named him FDR’s running mate because they needed to distract him. Good people resigned to keep the secret, so Truman would be placated because he didn’t want to see wrong doing. Obama has proven he’s not Truman.

    • http://www.rebeccamorn.com/mind BeccaM

      Dude — first of all, the Democrats are monkeying with your Social Security and Medicare. It’s already started. President Obama himself appointed the commission that is going to recommend your benefits be cut through new lower indexing and your retirement age to be jacked up by three years; they’re also talking cuts to the VA and other social agencies. On top of this, they are planning to recommend other budget cuts which won’t go to deficit reduction but which the Catfood Commission wants to dole out as corporate and capital gains tax cuts.

      The Democratic President and majority Congress are right now paralyzed from doing anything useful about the economy. Worse, they are the ones who decided to take money from food stamps to pay for failed education initiatives.

      This Democratic controlled government is escalating wars, maintaining bloated occupations, boosting the military budget, planning to force through cuts to Social Security and Medicare, spying on anti-war and ecology activists and classifying them as potential terrorist suspects, spying without warrants on American citizens, planning to monitor every single penny that’s transferred into or out of the country, prosecuting whistleblowers rather than protecting them from reprisal, insists on the right to detain or kill people for any reason anywhere, openly saber-rattles about potential war with Iran and Yemen, have made it even harder for Americans to travel by air or for innocent visitors and tourists just to come here, gave us health insurance “reform” that turns the IRS into an enforcement arm of private for-profit insurance companies, prohibited drug re-importation, set no rules to control skyrocketing insurance premiums and the increasing junkification of health insurance itself, passed amendments to further restrict women’s reproductive freedom, did nothing to stop the bloated bonuses and salary bumps being given to the companies taxpayer dollars bailed out, hasn’t broken up a single “too big to fail” hyper-corporation, created a HAMP program that has resulted in more foreclosures due to bankster dirty tricks and just a couple percent of people who apply actually getting mortgage modifications, failed to reinstate Glass-Steagall, are unable to just let the irresponsible Bush tax cuts expire, defended DADT and DOMA repeatedly in court by comparing gays and lesbians to sex offenders, failed to pass EFCA or any other pro-union legislation, opened up more wilderness and offshore areas to oil and gas drilling, permitted mountain top removal strip mining to continue unabated, are now introducing a bill to end Internet neutrality for wireless carriers and prohibit the FCC from ever having authority over broadband, asserted secrecy powers exceeding that of that last administration, has not yet reinstated Habeas Corpus rights for detainees, continues to operate ‘black site’ prisons around the world, continues secret rendition and torture in our name, and much, much more.

      Y’see Ghost, you’ve taken the position that the Dems are just feckless, weak-willed, and hampered by congressional rules and a lack of presidential leadership. You don’t see a lack of good intentions, just an inability to govern effectively.

      My position is we’re dealing with a party that’s been taken over by men and women who are as bad as or, in some cases, more evil than their predecessors.

      I’ve passed beyond frustration and disappointment. I am trying now to see things as they really are.

      I’m perfectly capable of holding my nose and voting for someone who isn’t exactly what I wanted. However, morally and ethically I cannot support, give money to, or vote for someone who takes actions or supports positions I find evil. Everybody goes on about how the GOP is nuts nowadays. What many of us have failed to recognize is the growing insanity in our own Democratic party.

      Sometimes a choice is really no choice at all.

      • synical

        The scary GOP are the distraction for the real damage being caused by the “New” Democrats. The GOP does the same thing to their base. Ooooo, scary Pelosi. Turns out the many base Democrats are no better at sussing that reality out than their GOP base counterparts, despite the claims of being “reality-based”. Rah, (fill in party) Rah! Average Americans take the fall. Time for Americans to jump off this pointless political merry go round.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mark.bousquet Mark Bousquet

        I have to save this. This totally clears Ralph Nader. There seriously is no difference between democrats and republicans.

  • Atlanticxing35k

    There were plenty of “blue dogs” to prance with the Republicans, and the rest of the spineless wimps wouldn’t stand and fight.

    Exactly, morons cut their own nuts off.

    • fp

      Vote and scream. quit being a wimp.

      • Griffon

        So it’s more virile to prop up an extrajudicial, premeditated murderer?

        I don’t think so, Tim.

        • NotTimothyGeithner

          O/T A behind the scenes tool time show (30 Rock/Office combo) would have been better than Home Improvement. The family should have been on the periphery with the pitfalls of basic cable programming as the real drama.

          • Griffon

            And tighter overalls for the ToolTime Girl.

            • NotTimothyGeithner

              That alone would have improved the show.

  • Karla

    Bigot homophobe and religious nutcase Obama and Obama ALONE is responsible for the “inexcusable” and “irresponsible” apathy of the Democratic voters.
    He alone SQUANDERED the greatest Political Capital the Nation will ever see and he is ALONE responsible for at least three that’s THREE generations of great pain, sacrifice and suffering while the oppressive hole of poverty and austerity becomes greater and greater, deeper and wider.
    LET ME BE CLEAR. Obama as far as I can tell as seen by his actions and in-actions is “inexcusable” and “irresponsible”!
    Shame, Shame, Shame!

    • fp

      Vote in a better Obama and quit whining.

      But don’t ever let the GOP back. never. you know what would have charged our base? A McCain Palin presidency. And we would be 10 times screwed for it.
      The GOP plan is to make voters apathetic. It is key in their play books. They are winning here and we are losing.

      • Karla

        BULL TWADDLE!
        The opportunity for the country to have meaningful change has been SQUANDERED by the Messiah. It’s lost. The poverty gap is widening by the day, health care is a joke and meaningless in ways that matter, housing, social security…it’s finished this was a last grasp and failure to appreciate this reality is not only offensive but strikingly ignorant.
        Of course I could be misinterpreting the evidence and it’s obvious direction.

      • Roy

        Better to murder a innocent child in its cradle then to embrace a coward.

      • synical

        Obama singlehandedly gave new life to the Repubs with his silly bipartisan shtick. Yep, they are winning.

        Obama has moved the Democratic Party further right. In some cases further right than Bush. Yep, they are winning.

        McCain/Palin-I survived Nixon, BushCo & Reagan. Booga booga bad Republicans doesn’t work on me anymore.

        Democrats adopting Republican policy and calling it “progressive” while the media calls it “socialism” scares the hell out of me. IOW, Dems are doing more to push the country towards a totalitarian government system than the Repubs could ever hope to and partisans are oblivious to it. Dems, good, yeah.

        P.S. I’m not apathetic, I’m angry. It’s isn’t the Repubs making me angry. It’s hope and change Dems pissing away the once in a lifetime opportunity to turn things around instead of cementing them in place. Obama is doing things Repubs could only have wet dreams about. I’m supposed to support that? Pass.

        • Dagoril

          When Obama starts governing like a Democrat, I’ll support him. Until then, he can kiss my hairy ass.

      • Mirror

        What I see here is more that the plan of Obama and the national Democratic party is to make voters apathetic.

      • ezpz

        “But don’t ever let the GOP back.”

        They never left.

        I THOUGHT we voted them out, but lo and behold, what we have with this new breed of so called democrats is the same thing we had with republicans.
        Maybe even worse.

  • http://errport77.blogspot.com Verchiel

    Greenwald is spot-on, today: this is nothing more than Obama and Biden (and Gibbs and Emmanuel, etc.) getting their excuse ready for the butchering in November:

    “We did our part, it was those whining, irresponsible, drug test-needing, fucking retards who didn’t wave their pom poms hard enough.”

    • fp

      The GOP plan is to make voters apathetic. It is key in their play books. They are winning here and we are losing.

      • http://errport77.blogspot.com Verchiel

        The GOP’s plan is to stoke a raving mob with insane claims and thinly veiled bigotry against everyone too brown or gay. The apathy is a side-effect of the Dems doing nothing to fight back against them.

      • Griffon

        “The GOP plan is to make voters apathetic.”

        Obama and the democrats don’t need the help.

    • Butch1

      Bingo!

    • http://AMERICAblog.com/ John Aravosis

      That is exactly right, I fear.

  • KarenMrsLloydRichards

    How about this: Joe, I want you and your boss to LOSE the Hill just as much as you seem to want to.

  • KarenMrsLloydRichards

    “Buck up”. Sarah Palin to Karl Rove.

    “Buck up.” Joe Biden to 53% of the American electorate.

  • Paul Barwick

    Too bad Obama didn’t grow up gay like I did. That’s what forced me to learn that the way to deal with bullies is to stand up to them. Act like you’ve got a pair, Mr. President!

    • synical

      The reason he doesn’t sand up to them is that he wants the same things they do. But it wouldn’t get him the votes he needs if he comes right out and says that. Thus, the stagecraft.

  • nokkonwud

    Here’s an idea…

    Maybe the Administration needs to stop whining about being criticized and start doing the things they promised.

    • Butch1

      Or start listening to the criticisms and actually quit reacting, you might learn something President Obama. Oh, I forgot, you are too stubborn and arrogant to listen to those you consider your inferiors and just used to get into office. Well, the chickens have come home to roost.

  • Griffon

    Obama’s Audacity of hypocrisy is anything but waning:

    Obama to Democrats: ‘Buck up’; calls Democratic voter apathy ‘inexcusable’ as election nears

    Admonishing his own party, President Barack Obama says it would be “inexcusable” and “irresponsible” for unenthusiastic Democratic voters to sit out the midterm elections, warning that the consequences could be a squandered agenda for years.

    “People need to shake off this lethargy. People need to buck up,” Obama told Rolling Stone in an interview to be published Friday. The president told Democrats that making change happen is hard and “if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren’t serious in the first place.”

    So now, Obama is quoting George bush to galvanize the rabble he reserves for punchlines at fundraisers.

    The president has been telling Democrats to “wake up” and recognize that he and the Democratic-run Congress have delivered on promises, from a new health care law to tougher rules for Wall Street to more aid for college students. Obama wants disenchanted supporters to see that Republican wins in November would undermine the ability of Democrats to get the unfinished business done, from climate change legislation to allowing gays to serve openly in the military.

    Ahh, there it is: the extortion angle. “Vote or lose the things we’ve been delaying for the sole purpose of exploiting them as a bargaining chip in the midterms.”

    The Manipulator-in-Chief.

    Everyone presumed the 11-dimension-chess crap was directed against the republicans.

    It is directed against us.

    • ezpz

      And he said that at the END of the interview, as though he had forgotten to say it early on:“[Signaled by his aides, the president brings the interview to a close and leaves the Oval Office. A moment later, however, he returns to the office and says that he has one more thing to add. He speaks with intensity and passion, repeatedly stabbing the air with his finger.]“

      One closing remark that I want to make: It is inexcusable for any Democrat or progressive right now to stand on the sidelines in this midterm election. There may be complaints about us not having gotten certain things done, not fast enough, making certain legislative compromises. But right now, we’ve got a choice between a Republican Party that has moved to the right of George Bush and is looking to lock in the same policies that got us into these disasters in the first place, versus an administration that, with some admitted warts, has been the most successful administration in a generation in moving progressive agendas forward….”

      Page 7:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/209395?RS_show_page=6

      • Griffon

        “versus an administration that, with some admitted warts…”

        Extrajudicial, premeditated murder is now just a “wart.”

        Torture is now just a “wart.”

        Secret prisons are now just a “wart.”

        Warrantless spying is now just a “wart.”

        Rampant state secrecy is now just a “wart.”

        Defending monopolies and forced mulcting to a broken industry is now just a “wart.”

        Attacking and intimidating protesters is now just a “wart.”

        Excusing horrific war crimes is now just a “wart.”

        The real Obama is just beginning to emerge.

        • samizdat

          It would seem the Janus candidate is losing one of his faces. I know that’s not the most accurate analogy, but he does seem to be dropping the pretty campaign visage…only to reveal the true monster beneath.

          • Butch1

            Finally, the reality he and his minions have been ignoring has started to rot and the smell is starting to get to him, too late, of course. It will be our fault he doesn’t listen to us. ;-)

        • Butch1

          A well placed anal wart, if you ask me.

        • Butch1

          All those warts are starting to look like Small Pox.

    • Bluestocking

      What Obama is either completely failing to realize or conveniently choosing to gloss over is the fact that he promised us cake and cream while he was running for office yet refuses to understand why we’re not happy with melba toast and reconstituted milk now. Obama and the other Democrats haven’t exactly been willing to go the distance on behalf of the voters who put them in office two years ago, so why would we think anything’s going to change if we vote for them again? More and more these days, waiting for the Democrats to actually *do* something is like being the mistress of a married man who promises to leave his wife yet is always finding reasons why he just can’t do it right now — with the only reward for all that patience being another year (or two or three or four or…) added to our age.

      Audacity? That’s not audacity — that’s called GALL.

      • Griffon

        “like being the mistress of a married man who promises to leave his wife yet is always finding reasons why he just can’t do it right now”

        And unlike us, at least the mistress ostensibly enjoys getting f*cked.

    • Butch1

      Yes, I thought so as well. Don’t give them everything before I get my second shot at my second term. I’ve waited this long, I can wait to see you given the bum’s rush out of the White House.

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